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[musclefreak954]

Also I agree tanning is horrible and not good. And increase s your risk for basal cell carcinoma or melanoma by 76% of getting skin cancer. Competition bodybuilding is different by you are using diuretics, dehydrating yourself, running large amounts of AAS. Now the non competitive bodybuilding lifestyle where you are using AAS to help you increase your strength n gains in moderation eating a well balanced diet is different. I competed in 2012 southern states heavy weight placed in the top 10. Was great experience however a lot of strain on the body . I now just stay at 250 and stay on test and deca . The competitive bodybuilding lifestyle can be very straining not with just aas but also with diet too can put added strain when your cutting up or even bulking up.

 

[musclefreak954]

Where have I've been the question is where have you been to be in a bubble. I guess you limit yourself to research and who you associate with. When you are under a DR s care and associate with other Dr s in the HRT arena you would be more educated on your posts and facts.

 

[maxwell0612]

Where have I've been the question is where have you been to be in a bubble. I guess you limit yourself to research and who you associate with. When you are under a DR s care and associate with other Dr s in the HRT arena you would be more educated on your posts and facts.

Your missing the point. Hormone replacement therapy is a different animal than performance enhancing drug use.

 

[musclefreak954]

Also the ones that have passed have used recreational drugs, insulin, nubain along with other pain meds and added more strain to ther body. Test deca mast anavar a safe and if used correctly you will get postive gains anti aging benefits, skin condition improves, more energy and stamina, sex drive increases . Again were taking about safe usage and not doing a competitive bodybuilding cycle. Chris Benoit perfect example Eddie Guerro abused pain meds cocaine and used AAS so yes did that add an increase to ther dying I would think so, however AAS was not a direct factor

 

[musclefreak954]

No I am not your saying AAS contributes or has been the case factor in bb deaths and they have not killed anyone.

 

[musclefreak954]

State your facts RIGHT

 

[musclefreak954]

Also that's why in previous posts I stated cycling along with insulin and diuretics over a long period of time aswell as extreme dieting does pose strain on your body, and if u stay on test and run other AAS for a period of time and eat a healthy diet you will b fine

 

[musclefreak954]

Even Robert Tan, M.D., who happens to be the creator and manager of the Houston-based OPAL (Optimal Aging and Longevity) Medical Clinic, which focuses on male health and longevity, has stated that “Public policy and public opinion have been based on people who use steroids in larger amounts”[23]. In general, the steroids statistics where harm and fatalities of anabolic steroid users are concerned is very difficult to quantify due to the fact that first of all, anabolic steroids in general are not acutely lethal enough to land significant amounts of users in the hospital emergency rooms (compared to other drug type abuse). The second reason is because the majority of deaths or severe harm to health of known anabolic steroid users have almost always been accompanied with other contributing factors that often play a greater role in the individual’s death or harm than anabolic steroids alone, and these include:

- The individual’s personal history of any medical problems (congenital or otherwise).
- Any unknown underlying medical indications.
- The abuse of other illicit substances (cocaine, MDMA, methamphetamine, alcohol, etc.).
- Various other factors of outside influence.

To date, there has never been a single death in history attributed solely to anabolic steroids whereby the coroner upon examination of the deceased’s body has marked the cause of death as anabolic steroids.


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[maxwell0612]

Also that's why in previous posts I stated cycling along with insulin and diuretics over a long period of time aswell as extreme dieting does pose strain on your body, and if u stay on test and run other AAS for a period of time and eat a healthy diet you will b fine

I hear your point but in my experience your point is incorrect. Is there a relatively safe way to use bb drugs? Probably, yes. The problem is that, like anything else that makes humans feel good, bbs will tend to keep increasing the doses, cycle longer, use different substances, and stay on all the time for fear of loosing some muscle. We, as humans, are instinctually wired to repeat those things that make us feel good and give us pleasure. It goes back to the survival intinct, food tastes good because that causes human to eat more which ensures survival. Same with srx, we are attracted to the healthiest looking people because those are the ones most likely to bear children successfuly. So, we are hard wired to do things that we like to an extreme, it's human nature. That makes keeping aas use reasonable a real challenge.

 

[musclefreak954]

Bro why are you even on this forum .. go to all natural one . You make no sense.

 

[maxwell0612]

Bro why are you even on this forum .. go to all natural one . You make no sense.

You also are missing the point entirely. Sometimes I think the stereotype that bb are stupid is correct. Bb is great, as are performance enhancing drugs. They can be used to improve ones health and life greatly. But things that competitive bb and stupidity in general corrupt this.

 

[musclefreak954]

You also are missing the point entirely. Sometimes I think the stereotype that bb are stupid is correct. Bb is great, as are performance enhancing drugs. They can be used to improve ones health and life greatly. But things that competitive bb and stupidity in general corrupt this.

Bro when your competeing it's a whole other world with AAS and other supplements, I'm talking about 80% to 90%,of us that don't compete and use test deca mast anavar for positive gains and not abuse.. You can take test and these other AAS and have great positive results. When u get into heavy dosing and diuretics and what not yes you will pose a strain on your body. However if you get regular checkups and lab wrk you can use w/o any sides.. I 've been on for 10yrs bro when you use correctly you will be fine. And if your so concerned about this then don't bother taking AAS. To each there own and I just say to any one do research know AAS are a life decision and shouldn't be taken lightly. Be under a physicians care , and the pros of AAS outweigh the cons. As long as taken correctly , with that Tren,Winn dbol are not recommended and are very hard on your organs. AAS has not killed any one and I'll leave it at that.

 

[getbig1989]

Bro when your competeing it's a whole other world with AAS and other supplements, I'm talking about 80% to 90%,of us that don't compete and use test deca mast anavar for positive gains and not abuse.. You can take test and these other AAS and have great positive results. When u get into heavy dosing and diuretics and what not yes you will pose a strain on your body. However if you get regular checkups and lab wrk you can use w/o any sides.. I 've been on for 10yrs bro when you use correctly you will be fine. And if your so concerned about this then don't bother taking AAS. To each there own and I just say to any one do research know AAS are a life decision and shouldn't be taken lightly. Be under a physicians care , and the pros of AAS outweigh the cons. As long as taken correctly , with that Tren,Winn dbol are not recommended and are very hard on your organs. AAS has not killed any one and I'll leave it at that.

Agreed that's what I was trying to say amen brother!

 

[musclefreak954]

Agreed that's what I was trying to say amen brother!

Finally some BRO with muscle and brain..Bro these dudes going to start a forum state untrue and unfounded facts and then there on this board juicing. Bro wtf..lol

 

[Nerebel0610]

Your speaking of the 80-90% and maxwell is trying to pull back the curtain of the other 10%. You both are saying the same thing. Maxwell is speaking of the high level bbs using obscene amounts of gear same as you are speaking of the average joe cycling. He is saying that an "off" cycle to a pro is double an "on" cycle for most of us. You both are talking about fruit just one is pitching apples the other oranges.

 

[musclefreak954]

Your speaking of the 80-90% and maxwell is trying to pull back the curtain of the other 10%. You both are saying the same thing. Maxwell is speaking of the high level bbs using obscene amounts of gear same as you are speaking of the average joe cycling. He is saying that an "off" cycle to a pro is double an "on" cycle for most of us. You both are talking about fruit just one is pitching apples the other oranges.

Bro no AAS has killed anyone. Is the competitive bb diff than the rest of us like u said yes. However even with them AAS has not killed anyone.that's what I want expressed. State facts correctly that's all

 

[getbig1989]

Finally some BRO with muscle and brain..Bro these dudes going to start a forum state untrue and unfounded facts and then there on this board juicing. Bro wtf..lol

I don't think they understand bro! I compete and no tons of ifbb that are smart and been juicing since early 20 no problems Bc they are intelligent if you do it right like u said and get bloods your g2g! It's common sense!

 

[getbig1989]

Like u said go to a all natural forum this forum is so wee can learn knowledge on aas!!!!!!!

 

[RickRock]

I think you both make valid points, and you are both correct in a sense. I think when taken RESPOSIBLY, there is very little risk with AAS. Especially if you monitor bloodwork, give blood, take enough time off or "cruise", proper diet, etc...

However, to say that AAS has never killed anyone is asinine and untrue. The reason no death has ever been linked to AAS is because it takes so long to abuse to kill you and nobody can conclusively say that AAS is the reason that they died. But a little common sense goes a long way. A lot of these bodybuilders are dying from heart attacks and other related things, and AAS has definitely played a major factor in their deaths, per existing condition or not. A guy from our gym that was an absolute monster competitive bodybuilder died of a massive heart attack last year at the age of 46. His diet was immaculate, he had no preexisting condition or heart disease in his family, and this guy stayed on high doses of AAS year round. He never did bloodwork or anything because he was "old school". He juiced that way since he was in his teens. It took nearly 30 years, but it killed him at a very early age.

 

[musclefreak954]

I think you both make valid points, and you are both correct in a sense. I think when taken RESPOSIBLY, there is very little risk with AAS. Especially if you monitor bloodwork, give blood, take enough time off or "cruise", proper diet, etc...

However, to say that AAS has never killed anyone is asinine and untrue. The reason no death has ever been linked to AAS is because it takes so long to abuse to kill you and nobody can conclusively say that AAS is the reason that they died. But a little common sense goes a long way. A lot of these bodybuilders are dying from heart attacks and other related things, and AAS has definitely played a major factor in their deaths, per existing condition or not. A guy from our gym that was an absolute monster competitive bodybuilder died of a massive heart attack last year at the age of 46. His diet was immaculate, he had no preexisting condition or heart disease in his family, and this guy stayed on high doses of AAS year round. He never did bloodwork or anything because he was "old school". He juiced that way since he was in his teens. It took nearly 30 years, but it killed him at a very early age.

Bro you mentioned a KEY element he never got blood work done. AAS did not kill him and you don't know what he did as far as abuse or recreational drugs. AAS does not kill if used responsibly. I m in the health care field I have done years of research no death certificate signed by a corner ever stated bc of AAS