First cycle advice needed

[drod1719]

I am 18 and have been lifting for about 4.5 years and properly dieting and what not for 4 years, before all of that I also played football from 5th-9th grade. My dream is to be a professional bodybuilder and my major goal is to eventually atleast make it to the Mr Olympia stage. I am very serious about it and want to do it in as safe of a manor as possible.

I am 5'10" 200lbs and on the latter end of a cut. I plan to start my first cycle in a month or so when I finish my cut and begin bulking again. I plan to make my first cycle fairly simple. I do not plan on adding any other compounds to the cycle until my 2nd or 3rd cycle. I am going to do a 12-16 week cycle starting at 200mg/week of test enanthate or cypionate, injecting twice a week, and possibly increasing the dose mid-cycle if all is well. I plan to also take an ai such as aromacin to keep estrogen in check and some hgh to keep my natural test from taking as much of a hit. I am not exactly sure on how much the the ai and hgh to take, as well as how often, and would love advice.

I am currently eating 1800-2000cals and 200g protein a day. When I begin to bulk again, with the PEDs, I will be eating 2300-2500cals and 230ish grams protein a day. As far as supplements, all I take is 10g/day of creatine monohydrate.

I will be getting blood work done before I start the cycle and would like to know what all I should specifically look for. I plan to begin a pre-cycle log in a day or 2 to have plenty of data to go on and begin another log, or continue that log, once I begin my cycle.

 

[drod1719]

My physique in bad lighting with a mid pump

 

[Freki]

I am 18 and have been lifting for about 4.5 years and properly dieting and what not for 4 years, before all of that I also played football from 5th-9th grade. My dream is to be a professional bodybuilder and my major goal is to eventually atleast make it to the Mr Olympia stage. I am very serious about it and want to do it in as safe of a manor as possible.

I am 5'10" 200lbs and on the latter end of a cut. I plan to start my first cycle in a month or so when I finish my cut and begin bulking again. I plan to make my first cycle fairly simple. I do not plan on adding any other compounds to the cycle until my 2nd or 3rd cycle. I am going to do a 12-16 week cycle starting at 200mg/week of test enanthate or cypionate, injecting twice a week, and possibly increasing the dose mid-cycle if all is well. I plan to also take an ai such as aromacin to keep estrogen in check and some hgh to keep my natural test from taking as much of a hit. I am not exactly sure on how much the the ai and hgh to take, as well as how often, and would love advice.

I am currently eating 1800-2000cals and 200g protein a day. When I begin to bulk again, with the PEDs, I will be eating 2300-2500cals and 230ish grams protein a day. As far as supplements, all I take is 10g/day of creatine monohydrate.

I will be getting blood work done before I start the cycle and would like to know what all I should specifically look for. I plan to begin a pre-cycle log in a day or 2 to have plenty of data to go on and begin another log, or continue that log, once I begin my cycle.

Bro, wait a few years 17 is to young. You have so much natural testosterone already. It's really not worth the price you'll pay.

 

[Freki]

@drod1719 Can you help out the forum?
Lot of guys around your age are wanting to experiment with PEDs.

What benefit do you think you will get?

And what do you think would make you think twice about doing Peds?

 

[LevButlerov]

I am 18 and have been lifting for about 4.5 years and properly dieting and what not for 4 years, before all of that I also played football from 5th-9th grade. My dream is to be a professional bodybuilder and my major goal is to eventually atleast make it to the Mr Olympia stage. I am very serious about it and want to do it in as safe of a manor as possible.

I am 5'10" 200lbs and on the latter end of a cut. I plan to start my first cycle in a month or so when I finish my cut and begin bulking again. I plan to make my first cycle fairly simple. I do not plan on adding any other compounds to the cycle until my 2nd or 3rd cycle. I am going to do a 12-16 week cycle starting at 200mg/week of test enanthate or cypionate, injecting twice a week, and possibly increasing the dose mid-cycle if all is well. I plan to also take an ai such as aromacin to keep estrogen in check and some hgh to keep my natural test from taking as much of a hit. I am not exactly sure on how much the the ai and hgh to take, as well as how often, and would love advice.

I am currently eating 1800-2000cals and 200g protein a day. When I begin to bulk again, with the PEDs, I will be eating 2300-2500cals and 230ish grams protein a day. As far as supplements, all I take is 10g/day of creatine monohydrate.

I will be getting blood work done before I start the cycle and would like to know what all I should specifically look for. I plan to begin a pre-cycle log in a day or 2 to have plenty of data to go on and begin another log, or continue that log, once I begin my cycle.

before we go on, you're the same guy that was just banned for saying he was 17 here right? @drod1719
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-cycle-looking-for-advice.107262

 

[s.gentz]

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Bro you are way too young to start using steroids. Your body/brain are not developed yet. It look like your putting in some good work so keep doing what you are doing. Lift heavy and get your food in. This is not a fast game. It takes years to build a physique.
A lot of guys on here didn't start using gear until late 30's and into their 40's. The one's who did start earlier regret it.
Do the smart thing here and don't mess with your hormones. You will have to deal with the fallout for the rest of your life.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Brother leave gear alone for now, you got a good base and your natural potential is still only developing. Your just going fuck yourself up at that age and i promise you wont be where you want to..

Just continue what your doing you look solid bro, capitalise on your natty gains for now.

Evo cant condone gear use to someone of your age young brother sorry.

 

[drod1719]

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Obviously there is gonna be no help on this forum. I'll just figure it out myself.

I am 18 and have been lifting for about 4.5 years and properly dieting and what not for 4 years, before all of that I also played football from 5th-9th grade. My dream is to be a professional bodybuilder and my major goal is to eventually atleast make it to the Mr Olympia stage. I am very serious about it and want to do it in as safe of a manor as possible.

I am 5'10" 200lbs and on the latter end of a cut. I plan to start my first cycle in a month or so when I finish my cut and begin bulking again. I plan to make my first cycle fairly simple. I do not plan on adding any other compounds to the cycle until my 2nd or 3rd cycle. I am going to do a 12-16 week cycle starting at 200mg/week of test enanthate or cypionate, injecting twice a week, and possibly increasing the dose mid-cycle if all is well. I plan to also take an ai such as aromacin to keep estrogen in check and some hgh to keep my natural test from taking as much of a hit. I am not exactly sure on how much the the ai and hgh to take, as well as how often, and would love advice.

I am currently eating 1800-2000cals and 200g protein a day. When I begin to bulk again, with the PEDs, I will be eating 2300-2500cals and 230ish grams protein a day. As far as supplements, all I take is 10g/day of creatine monohydrate.

I will be getting blood work done before I start the cycle and would like to know what all I should specifically look for. I plan to begin a pre-cycle log in a day or 2 to have plenty of data to go on and begin another log, or continue that log, once I begin my cycle.

Obviously there is gonna be no help on this forum. I'll just figure it out myself.

 

[drod1719]

@drod1719 Can you help out the forum?
Lot of guys around your age are wanting to experiment with PEDs.

What benefit do you think you will get?

And what do you think would make you think twice about doing Peds?

I dont want to "experiment" I want to gain as much muscle as possible and be the greatest bodybuilder I can and have my name be remembered. And nothing is gonna convince me not to take PEDs. I know it isn't great for health, which is why I am trying to use forums and ask advice of people who know more to do it in as safe of a way as is reasonable. But everyone is a hypocrite. Its always "do your research" but when someone tries, they get shut out and told not to do it and aren't given anything to help. This is why so many people have bad experiences because people say that they want to help people but refuse to do so, and people have to figure it out on their own.

 

[toddthelineman]

You can definitely do it. You’ve got the genes to get big, that’s clear, but you are not ready. You should do your first show natural. Do everything BUT the PEDs. If you can’t give it at least five more years of all out effort natural, then you aren’t serious and you will fail.

If you run a natural log on here, you will get limitless encouragement and help

 

[Allupfromhere]

@drod1719 Alright brother you say your serious yeah? You mean it? Let see some commitment first.

You start a log here, show us all the training and nutrition and your day to day structure.

Lets see you commit to this for 6 months...
The let evo help guide your structure to your first natural show... you will get immense help and support from the whole evo family the whole way..

You say your serious, lets see this first.

 

[toddthelineman]

I dont want to "experiment" I want to gain as much muscle as possible and be the greatest bodybuilder I can and have my name be remembered. And nothing is gonna convince me not to take PEDs. I know it isn't great for health, which is why I am trying to use forums and ask advice of people who know more to do it in as safe of a way as is reasonable. But everyone is a hypocrite. Its always "do your research" but when someone tries, they get shut out and told not to do it and aren't given anything to help. This is why so many people have bad experiences because people say that they want to help people but refuse to do so, and people have to figure it out on their own.

Bro, we are helping you. There’s no way you are ready to do this. I understand what you are feeling right now, but listen. It’s highly unlikely that you can even afford to see this through. You’re going to get yourself into trouble. You wanna start blasting but you haven’t learned your basics yet, we can see that. AND we are just at the very beginning of a world wide total AAS shortage. Everything is about to get really hard to get and expensive. You need to wait and focus on truly getting yourself dialed in so that when you do start blasting you get the most out of it.

 

[HarleyGuy]

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I think this is @dn1814 again @LevButlerov

 

[HarleyGuy]

This is why so many people have bad experiences because people say that they want to help people but refuse to do so, and people have to figure it out on their own.

We do help 'people' on here there are almost a quarter million members and almost 2 million posts on here and over 650+ podcasts including IFBB pros on here to help 'people' but we don't help children take steroids! You should respect this forum more for not having insta-replies with 1g cycles of gear for you to choose from. Go to reddit for that.

Obviously there is gonna be no help on this forum. I'll just figure it out myself.

Look up gaslighting. This is what children talk like.

 

[Allupfromhere]

We do help 'people' on here there are almost a quarter million members and almost 2 million posts on here and over 650+ podcasts including IFBB pros on here to help 'people' but we don't help children take steroids! You should respect this forum more for not having insta-replies with 1g cycles of gear for you to choose from. Go to reddit for that.


Look up gaslighting. This is what children talk like.

This couldnt be said any better and actually puts this thread to bed.

 

[drod1719]

I think this is @dn1814 again @LevButlerov

Ban me if u need. This forum isn't gonna be of help to me either way.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Ban me if u need. This forum isn't gonna be of help to me either way.

It already hasn't been and shouldn't be. We don't condone helping children start steroids.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Ban me if u need. This forum isn't gonna be of help to me either way.

Bro if you think that us trying to guide you for better long term health and longevity in the game isnt helping you then you clearly not mature enough for anything gear related.

 

[drod1719]

Bro you are way too young to start using steroids. Your body/brain are not developed yet. It look like your putting in some good work so keep doing what you are doing. Lift heavy and get your food in. This is not a fast game. It takes years to build a physique.
A lot of guys on here didn't start using gear until late 30's and into their 40's. The one's who did start earlier regret it.
Do the smart thing here and don't mess with your hormones. You will have to deal with the fallout for the rest of your life.

I said im trying to do the greatest i possibly can, and your response is "wait until your already passed your prime before you do the things that will make a massive difference."

 

[Freki]

And nothing is gonna convince me not to take PEDs.

Thanks for the reply. Sort of a pointless conversation then if your not looking for advice.

I want to gain as much muscle as possible and be the greatest bodybuilder I can and have my name be remembered.

The problem with this mindset is there is no happiness at any point in your journey and a million things could go wrong. The truly happy people enjoy what they are doing every day, there reward is the grind not nane in lights.

But everyone is a hypocrite. Its always "do your research" but when someone tries, they get shut out and told not to do it and aren't given anything to help.

Just because it's not the help your looking for doesn't mean we aren't trying brother.

This is why so many people have bad experiences because people say that they want to help people but refuse to do so, and people have to figure it out on their own.

You are correct here, we are giving you advice, its not what you want to hear so now you are going to go make the same mistake so many before you have made.

 

[Allupfromhere]

I said im trying to do the greatest i possibly can, and your response is "wait until your already passed your prime before you do the things that will make a massive difference."

Bro you are doing great already we can see it in your photos.
@s.gentz isnt telling you to wait until your past your prime, he is saying to wait untill your at least biologically mature so you dont harm your body or brain.

Your age is starting to really show through your responses unfortunately young brother.

 

[Freki]

I said im trying to do the greatest i possibly can, and your response is "wait until your already passed your prime before you do the things that will make a massive difference."

You have peds up on a pedestal brother, its a tiny piece of the process, sleep nutrition and training are 95% of the growth you will see. Millions of people out there are on Peds you would never know because they dont have these 3 things in check

 

[drod1719]

You have peds up on a pedestal brother, its a tiny piece of the process, sleep nutrition and training are 95% of the growth you will see. Millions of people out there are on Peds you would never know because they dont have these 3 things in check

"Alot of people are half-assing their way through life, so u should just hold ur standards as low as them and be glad ur doing better than them." Pointing at someone below u and being glad ur better than them instead of holding yourself to as high of a standard as you can is a cowards way out. Just saying to leave one box unchecked since most people leave multiple unchecked is nonsensical.

 

[Allupfromhere]

"Alot of people are half-assing their way through life, so u should just hold ur standards as low as them and be glad ur doing better than them." Pointing at someone below u and being glad ur better than them instead of holding yourself to as high of a standard as you can is a cowards way out. Just saying to leave one box unchecked since most people leave multiple unchecked is nonsensical.

Of course always hold yourself to your own highest standard bro and shouldnt settle for being slightly higher then average. But thats not what he is telling you to do.

Im sorry but you talk like peds are the end all or be all when they most definitely arent.
Do you even have a coach? Have you bee putting in hard structure and effort with a coach so far? If not..

Then i dont believe your as serious as you may think you are.

Anyone completely dedicated and committed would already be doing everything they should be doing leading up the the point of introducing steroids.

And im sorry but even though you seem to have a good "base" right now anyone that was truely committed to turning pro at your age would have already have a further conditioned physique.

Look for the right way foward, not the fast way forward. Easy come, easy go.

All the best to ya.

 

[toddthelineman]

"Alot of people are half-assing their way through life, so u should just hold ur standards as low as them and be glad ur doing better than them." Pointing at someone below u and being glad ur better than them instead of holding yourself to as high of a standard as you can is a cowards way out. Just saying to leave one box unchecked since most people leave multiple unchecked is nonsensical.

Cool man. You know better than everyone here, who all have experience. You want to be the very best at one of the hardest things a person can do. Well what’s the hardest thing you’ve ever done?

But never mind that. You’re not the first person to come on here saying exactly what you are saying. Not the 20th or the 100th either. What do you want or expect from us? I’m 46 years old and I didn’t start PEDs until I was 40 and when I take risks with my health the guys on here call me out on it and help me. Because they care and because people FUCK THEMSELVES UP AND DIE! Hello? Can you even hear me?

Nobody is going to help you fuck yourself up and that’s exactly what you’re going to do because YOU ARE NOT READY. Not mentally, not physically, not financially, nothing. If you’re going to succeed at ANYTHING you are going to have to swallow some bitter pills. This can be your first one.

 

[madcap71]

Ban me if u need. This forum isn't gonna be of help to me either way.

Everyone here has given you helpful advice. You just don't want to take it.

Steroids at your age is a really bad idea. I said it on another thread but you're naturally at the highest level of testosterone you'll be at. Train hard and eat and you'll continue to grow like a weed. You have a good base and could have a good future in bodybuilding. But don't do steroids now. Your brain is not fully developed, it will cook your insides, potentially make you infertile and give you psychological problems.

 

[toddthelineman]

I said im trying to do the greatest i possibly can, and your response is "wait until your already passed your prime before you do the things that will make a massive difference."

18 should not be your prime bro. More like 35. You have plenty of time to get it right

 

[toddthelineman]

18 should not be your prime bro. More like 35. You have plenty of time to get it right

Also, everyone here was 18 once. We do understand. We do this ALL THE TIME. You can absorb all this and see the light whenever you are ready. We’ll still be here. Nobody here wants to see you do badly. Look at all of the other logs. Study them. Look at the competitors. You can see what they do, how they train, what they eat, and what they take for yourself. And you can see all of us cheering them on and learning from them.

Your cycle plan, it’s not going to do much at all but it will shut you down. If you want help, and you’re as committed as you say, prove it. Start a log. Show us what you do. I’m sure you’re strong. Let’s go

 

[HarleyGuy]

You are correct here, we are giving you advice, its not what you want to hear so now you are going to go make the same mistake so many before you have made.

@drod1719 You're doing here what my children used to do which is "answer shopping". If Mom says no, go ask Dad. Then Dad says no so you're mad at Mom and Dad. Then, you go ask your friends whose parents say yes and then you come back to Mom and Dad and say my friends parents said yes so can I and why can't I?

EVO is saying NO so go ask Reddit. Answer shop somewhere else we don't advise children to take steroids.

 

[LevButlerov]

Ban me if u need. This forum isn't gonna be of help to me either way.

sorry we can't have underage members, you're banned @drod1719

 

[Eddie Haskell]

This is the same user from the thread I just locked:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-cycle-looking-for-advice.107262/

I have to lock this thread.

He’s violating TOS by posting.

He’s lying about his age.

TOS violated, thread is locked.