Approved Log First cycle Journal

[milbous1]

Does your work life ever slow down? You are working a lot of hours right? What kind of sleep are you getting?

I mean i work 6-10s usually. i don’t get the best sleep 51/2-6 hours on work nights on saturday night into sunday i get 7-8 and i am up and awake but i usually take sunday easy besides my workout. If i need to I’ll miss a day at the gym and get sleep or my body just says no. like on thursday or Friday i came home from work took a quick shower b4 working out yes i take them b4 and after. I sat on my bed at 6:30 at night and didn’t wake up until 3:30 in the morning no dinner no nothing except a bottle of water after i got out the shower.

 

[milbous1]

today’s workout the bulgarian split squats i had 20 pounds dumbbells and all the planks were a minute. my rest time between all the top exercises were 1 minute 15 seconds when i got to reverse lunges i just did body weight my legs were like rubber

 

[RoySimpson]

trying to get closer to 3000 instead of 3600-4000 calories a day with all my protein. going to start not being so full all the time so when i start intermittent fasting in 12 days im not completely starving haven’t decided if im going to do keto again or just meat and veggies for dinner and meat and fruit before dinner with some sweet potatoes added in. so i would say that im 18ish percent body fat my goal is close to 12 percent by mid january when i start my next cycle. Ordered my Eq from ugl yesterday i have bottles of test on deck. pharmacy test from my trt clinic and the stuff i got tested. my chest is starting to grow a little bit with those inclines i’ve been doing every chest exercise

@milbous1 keep pumping those calories bro!

 

[toddthelineman]

I mean i work 6-10s usually. i don’t get the best sleep 51/2-6 hours on work nights on saturday night into sunday i get 7-8 and i am up and awake but i usually take sunday easy besides my workout. If i need to I’ll miss a day at the gym and get sleep or my body just says no. like on thursday or Friday i came home from work took a quick shower b4 working out yes i take them b4 and after. I sat on my bed at 6:30 at night and didn’t wake up until 3:30 in the morning no dinner no nothing except a bottle of water after i got out the shower.

I’ve had a lot of days like that too. You gotta do it. When I can get really good sleep it’s crazy how different my body can look.

 

[LevButlerov]

I like it here a lot. get good vibes.

Positive vibes your way from the EVO family

 

[milbous1]

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

 

[ballin2504]

trying to get closer to 3000 instead of 3600-4000 calories a day with all my protein. going to start not being so full all the time so when i start intermittent fasting in 12 days im not completely starving haven’t decided if im going to do keto again or just meat and veggies for dinner and meat and fruit before dinner with some sweet potatoes added in. so i would say that im 18ish percent body fat my goal is close to 12 percent by mid january when i start my next cycle. Ordered my Eq from ugl yesterday i have bottles of test on deck. pharmacy test from my trt clinic and the stuff i got tested. my chest is starting to grow a little bit with those inclines i’ve been doing every chest exercise

@milnous1 looks like your chest is growing. Great work man keep it up.

 

[milbous1]

meal prep chicken tenders getting ready to cook the steaks and already ready sweet pot for dinner tonight and lunch

 

[LevButlerov]

today’s workout the bulgarian split squats i had 20 pounds dumbbells and all the planks were a minute. my rest time between all the top exercises were 1 minute 15 seconds when i got to reverse lunges i just did body weight my legs were like rubber

that's a big squat you stronger?

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

Protein dropping a bit I see, you still able to push over 400?

meal prep chicken tenders getting ready to cook the steaks and already ready sweet pot for dinner tonight and lunch

That's going to be the best, high protein all the way @milbous1 protein KING crown is waiting.

 

[Mobster]

Do you feel an actual benefit from the app?

 

[milbous1]

Do you feel an actual benefit from the app?

I guess i do with the fact of it putting together exercises -supersets together in a way that the work together with each other. New exercises i’ve never done it explains it in detail with actual videos i don’t have to hunt down. it’s convenient that every thing is all together. there’s a lot of things that i don’t know how to do especially body exercises. It does a lot of body exercises for warmups and cool downs that stretch your body. guess after i really know what i’m doing for a couple years it won’t be as neat. the thing i like the most is the body exercises it puts together to workout and stretch my lower back. My back hasn’t been as tight the last couple of days. it doesn’t hurt at all it just gets really tight. The thing that i don’t like is i can’t add things like drop sets. It doesn’t have the best library of different machines either. I will probably use it for 6 months or so until i get everything i can from it. The benefit is time it gives me and shows me everything that i really need and want without me having to spend time to figure it out.

 

[stevesmi]

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

this is why i hate counting calories. you end up adding things to your diet that you don't need. 300 calories of cheesecake is not the same as 300 calories from almonds for example @milbous1

 

[milbous1]

that's a big squat you stronger?

Protein dropping a bit I see, you still able to push over 400?

That's going to be the best, high protein all the way @milbous1 protein KING crown is waiting.

i’ve been really busy at work . I have been in areas i can’t eat in. It’s a FDA plant so really no food or drink. I have been trying to eat a little less and maintain high protein. I haven’t been so bloated since. I will keep it above 400 until i start intermittent fasting. Then its probably gonna drop only 6-8 hour window of eating

 

[BodyMonster34]

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

@milbous1 bro not bad on this. 1.8 miles nothing. you should try swimming 2 miles

 

[2Thick]

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

great work. the training is very fun and exciting. @milbous1 you won't go wrong

 

[milbous1]

this is why i hate counting calories. you end up adding things to your diet that you don't need. 300 calories of cheesecake is not the same as 300 calories from almonds for example @milbous1

i ate the cheesecake because i wanted it not for the calories lol. I do know the difference in quality and quantity i just threw that in

 

[milbous1]

@milbous1 bro not bad on this. 1.8 miles nothing. you should try swimming 2 miles

that sounds intense 2 miles swimming. 1.8 is nothing i agree with that i do get in 15-20000 steps a day though

 

[ROIDDERS]

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

its good you are experimenting with cardio. some people like it before. some after. i think some light cardio before is good for warm ups just don't over do it @milbous1

 

[ceo]

So trying the zing app for a month here’s today’s workout i change stuff here and there to adjust it to the gym but over all im doing some different stuff the treadmill mill was only 17 minutes with 1.8 miles. Im doing cardio after instead of before. i’ve always done cardio before i workout and it definitely takes away from my workout. macros for the day add 295 calories to that small piece of cheesecake.

@milbous1 bros zing app sounds interesting. that a good app for learning some things. keep sharing what you come up with

 

[milbous1]

its good you are experimenting with cardio. some people like it before. some after. i think some light cardio before is good for warm ups just don't over do it @milbous1

yes i was doing pretty intense cardio before. It probably was taking from my workout a little bit

 

[milbous1]

@milbous1 bros zing app sounds interesting. that a good app for learning some things. keep sharing what you come up with

this is the warm up the exercises and the cool down it gave me today for legs and core i picked the blonde as my coach looks betthere than a dude

 

[LevButlerov]

i’ve been really busy at work . I have been in areas i can’t eat in. It’s a FDA plant so really no food or drink. I have been trying to eat a little less and maintain high protein. I haven’t been so bloated since. I will keep it above 400 until i start intermittent fasting. Then its probably gonna drop only 6-8 hour window of eating

You can't drink a protein shake in the locker room?

 

[milbous1]

You can't drink a protein shake in the locker room?

there’s times for 3-5 hours some times here and there up to 6-8 hours we don’t leave our work area. porta bathrooms placed around jobsite the only thing that we are allowed is water we don’t get 15 minute breaks we gave those up for a hour lunch. i absolutely hate the company i work for. I’ve worked for them before. I just came here because it was a 2 year job and i got custody of my daughter with the condition i had to stay in state a year. The pay is ok i suppose. This company uses and abuses people if you don’t let them they get rid of ya and hire two illegals to take your place

 

[milbous1]

there’s times for 3-5 hours some times here and there up to 6-8 hours we don’t leave our work area. porta bathrooms placed around jobsite the only thing that we are allowed is water we don’t get 15 minute breaks we gave those up for a hour lunch. i absolutely hate the company i work for. I’ve worked for them before. I just came here because it was a 2 year job and i got custody of my daughter with the condition i had to stay in state a year. The pay is ok i suppose. This company uses and abuses people if you don’t let them they get rid of ya and hire two illegals to take your place

like when we had the shut down it was cancel your chiropractor appointment at 6pm cuz you work until 7 or don’t come in to work that day

 

[stevesmi]

i ate the cheesecake because i wanted it not for the calories lol. I do know the difference in quality and quantity i just threw that in

they used to sell this cheesecake that was dairy free and super quality ingredients at whole foods in the freezer section. it was made of nuts and fruit. was the best thing ever

 

[LevButlerov]

there’s times for 3-5 hours some times here and there up to 6-8 hours we don’t leave our work area. porta bathrooms placed around jobsite the only thing that we are allowed is water we don’t get 15 minute breaks we gave those up for a hour lunch. i absolutely hate the company i work for. I’ve worked for them before. I just came here because it was a 2 year job and i got custody of my daughter with the condition i had to stay in state a year. The pay is ok i suppose. This company uses and abuses people if you don’t let them they get rid of ya and hire two illegals to take your place

like when we had the shut down it was cancel your chiropractor appointment at 6pm cuz you work until 7 or don’t come in to work that day

ah you can't get out of it I see the issue. You'll need to expand your feeding window in that case to 10 hours imo. @milbous1

 

[milbous1]

they used to sell this cheesecake that was dairy free and super quality ingredients at whole foods in the freezer section. it was made of nuts and fruit. was the best thing ever

get some carb quick mix make the drop biscuits, take strawberries and make strawberrie shortcake mix with monk fruit sweetener and a little bit of honey or agave nectar that’s a pretty good dessert with a lot of fiber very little sugar pour that strawberry mix all over the drop biscuit

 

[milbous1]

ah you can't get out of it I see the issue. You'll need to expand your feeding window in that case to 10 hours imo. @milbous1

It’s not all the time there was a couple days last week when we had to build a crane and it was balls to the wall for 10 hours one day with a 30 minute break and 6 hours straight the next day. That’s why i said i was pretty sure that i could do the 8 hours just not the 6. on days i can’t eat like i need i could definitely expand my feeding window i can adapt and adjust. the day we worked 10 hours on the crane i drank a protein shake on the way home from work took a quick shower to go to the gym and woke up after 3 in the morning

 

[milbous1]

dinner for the night and macros for the day

 

[stevesmi]

get some carb quick mix make the drop biscuits, take strawberries and make strawberrie shortcake mix with monk fruit sweetener and a little bit of honey or agave nectar that’s a pretty good dessert with a lot of fiber very little sugar pour that strawberry mix all over the drop biscuit

Yeah yuri also has a good recipes

 

[milbous1]

Yeah yuri also has a good recipes

I will look into that thanks for the tip

 

[BodyMonster34]

that sounds intense 2 miles swimming. 1.8 is nothing i agree with that i do get in 15-20000 steps a day though

bro i like to swim off tanker

 

[ceo]

this is the warm up the exercises and the cool down it gave me today for legs and core i picked the blonde as my coach looks betthere than a dude

bros good stuff, iron training like a champ!

 

[ROIDDERS]

yes i was doing pretty intense cardio before. It probably was taking from my workout a little bit

there is no other way

 

[milbous1]

well worked half a day and spent the other part of the day driving to the cajun dome to see Luke Bryan with the family. Missing the gym tonight will just do whole upper body tomorrow. Should have the whole weekend off this weekend kinda excited. one complete day of rest one day of gym. Anyway macros for the day stuffed myself with chicken and yogurt before the concert so i don’t over eat junk food lol.

 

[LevButlerov]

It’s not all the time there was a couple days last week when we had to build a crane and it was balls to the wall for 10 hours one day with a 30 minute break and 6 hours straight the next day. That’s why i said i was pretty sure that i could do the 8 hours just not the 6. on days i can’t eat like i need i could definitely expand my feeding window i can adapt and adjust. the day we worked 10 hours on the crane i drank a protein shake on the way home from work took a quick shower to go to the gym and woke up after 3 in the morning

I get it all now if you can manage 6-10 it's a good start. @milbous1

dinner for the night and macros for the day

Good macros you kept it tight.

 

[LevButlerov]

well worked half a day and spent the other part of the day driving to the cajun dome to see Luke Bryan with the family. Missing the gym tonight will just do whole upper body tomorrow. Should have the whole weekend off this weekend kinda excited. one complete day of rest one day of gym. Anyway macros for the day stuffed myself with chicken and yogurt before the concert so i don’t over eat junk food lol.

You still hit your target but junk food anything good? lol come on.

 

[milbous1]

You still hit your target but junk food anything good? lol come on.

oh im fixing to get some chili cheese fries and maybe a pretzel

 

[LevButlerov]

oh im fixing to get some chili cheese fries and maybe a pretzel

nice pics please

 

[milbous1]

nice pics please

it was a little late after i saw this. it it was a big basket full of french fries with cheap gas station chili and cheese. It was ok but food like that really isn’t good like it used to be. It really upset my stomach eating that much trash in one setting should of just ate 1/4 of them

 

[milbous1]

Labs are in. few things are out of range. looks like if things don’t normalize with my thyroid next blood work in a month i will need to go to the doctor

 

[toddthelineman]

Labs are in. few things are out of range. looks like if things don’t normalize with my thyroid next blood work in a month i will need to go to the doctor

Hmmmm low t4, I even had that as a natty. I think it can go up and down a fair amount. I have heard it’s common to have that when eating low carb. I eat plenty of carbs now. And no longer have low t4.

Disclaimer: I don’t know anything and shouldn’t be listened to seriously hahahaha.

But maybe this can be sorted out.

 

[LevButlerov]

it was a little late after i saw this. it it was a big basket full of french fries with cheap gas station chili and cheese. It was ok but food like that really isn’t good like it used to be. It really upset my stomach eating that much trash in one setting should of just ate 1/4 of them

You should go with high amounts of probiotics and digestive enzymes after with apple cider vinegar.

 

[milbous1]

Hmmmm low t4, I even had that as a natty. I think it can go up and down a fair amount. I have heard it’s common to have that when eating low carb. I eat plenty of carbs now. And no longer have low t4.

Disclaimer: I don’t know anything and shouldn’t be listened to seriously hahahaha.

But maybe this can be sorted out.

yes and my t3 is really high after i’m off everything for 4-6 weeks im getting bloods done again and if they still out of whack i’ll go get it checked. i do do pretty low carb for how active i am

 

[milbous1]

You should go with high amounts of probiotics and digestive enzymes after with apple cider vinegar.

like straight apple cider vinegar or the capsules

 

[milbous1]

a pound of chicken breast for dinner and a couple pieces of pita bread. I

 

[LevButlerov]

like straight apple cider vinegar or the capsules

Straight apple cider vinegar, 1 tbps in 1 big cup of warm water

 

[LevButlerov]

a pound of chicken breast for dinner and a couple pieces of pita bread. I

1lb of chicken! you're a real EVO brother

 

[LevButlerov]

Labs are in. few things are out of range. looks like if things don’t normalize with my thyroid next blood work in a month i will need to go to the doctor

T4 low and your IGF1 levels are not where they should be. You're not on HGh now? @milbous1

 

[milbous1]

T4 low and your IGF1 levels are not where they should be. You're not on HGh now? @milbous1

i don’t own any hgh i have hcg but i haven’t used any yet. My T3 levels are super high as well

 

[milbous1]

T4 low and your IGF1 levels are not where they should be. You're not on HGh now? @milbous1

what should myIGF1 levels be they are in range should they be higher

 

[milbous1]

Straight apple cider vinegar, 1 tbps in 1 big cup of warm water

i will have to try this i found some organic unfiltered apple cider vinegar

 

[milbous1]

lunch of champions after a two hour leg workout

 

[milbous1]

lunch of champions after a two hour leg workout

I did throw in some calf raises as well as two different ab exercises I think i am going to go back to writing my exercises as well so i can include drop set and all that stuff.

 

[LevButlerov]

lunch of champions after a two hour leg workout

I did throw in some calf raises as well as two different ab exercises I think i am going to go back to writing my exercises as well so i can include drop set and all that stuff.

Real lunch of champs I like your ab work as well

 

[milbous1]

chicken and taco meat meal prep for lunches and dinner next three days steaks dinner for tonight

 

[milbous1]

some stuff i picked up today and dinner on the plate

 

[LevButlerov]

chicken and taco meat meal prep for lunches and dinner next three days steaks dinner for tonight

high protein perfect

some stuff i picked up today and dinner on the plate

you test the apple cider yet?

 

[milbous1]

high protein perfect

you test the apple cider yet?

i’m drinking it at 8:30

 

[LevButlerov]

i’m drinking it at 8:30

how you feeling?

 

[milbous1]

how you feeling?

I guess the bloating went away a little quicker last night . I drank 1.5 tbs this morning it didn’t give me heart burn or anything

 

[LevButlerov]

I guess the bloating went away a little quicker last night . I drank 1.5 tbs this morning it didn’t give me heart burn or anything

Try to do 1tbps AM and 1PM to start @milbous1

 

[milbous1]

Try to do 1tbps AM and 1PM to start @milbous1

will do I have been busy they have had me on 14 hour days the last 3 days . i made it to the gym twice legs one day and hit all the major parts of upper body. Got the whole weekend off hopefully doing nothing on saturday

 

[LevButlerov]

will do I have been busy they have had me on 14 hour days the last 3 days . i made it to the gym twice legs one day and hit all the major parts of upper body. Got the whole weekend off hopefully doing nothing on saturday

It happens I remember you have a tight schedule, lets try it on weekend

 

[BeMe]

Labs are in. few things are out of range. looks like if things don’t normalize with my thyroid next blood work in a month i will need to go to the doctor

Is this the first time your thyroid has been outta range like this or is there some history here?

If it's just a one time thing don't stress about it. Like you said, follow up blood work will be the real determination.

Hematocrit could just be a little high because of dehydration.

So many factors can play into things being outta range just once. Not to worry bro

 

[milbous1]

Is this the first time your thyroid has been outta range like this or is there some history here?

If it's just a one time thing don't stress about it. Like you said, follow up blood work will be the real determination.

Hematocrit could just be a little high because of dehydration.

So many factors can play into things being outta range just once. Not to worry bro

I don’t remember ever having checked my thyroid. my hematocrit should go down being off cycle I would assume. it could be dehydration it was pretty hot that week and i was sweating the bed at night for a few days. I’m going to give it a month on trt only get bloods checked. then if anything is crazy im going to a real doctor and getting the works.

 

[milbous1]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

 

[BeMe]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

Dry and creaky could be a sign of low e2

 

[milbous1]

Dry and creaky could be a sign of low e2

my E2 sits at around 15-17 no matter what on trt dose 15 17 15 at that was three test 140mg,140mg and 180 mg were my doses and that’s when i was fat. on cycle my e2 came back at 15 and 17 on those two test. first half of cycle was test and mast second half of cycle was test and primo. I think i like the primo better. 380of each first half probably closer to 400 honestly. and 400 of each second half.

 

[BeMe]

my E2 sits at around 15-17 no matter what on trt dose 15 17 15 at that was three test 140mg,140mg and 180 mg were my doses and that’s when i was fat. on cycle my e2 came back at 15 and 17 on those two test. first half of cycle was test and mast second half of cycle was test and primo. I think i like the primo better. 380of each first half probably closer to 400 honestly. and 400 of each second half.

So you ran test and primo 1:1? Primo will lower your e2, crush it some people. How long have you been off the primo?

17 is right in the middle of the range, maybe you might be someone who feels better with slightly higher e2. Personally I do.

Dry creaky joints could be a lot of things tho. Diet is a big one.

 

[LevButlerov]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

That’s a ton of pressing volume with the extra drop sets and 120 pushups, no wonder the wrists are barking. Tamoxifen can dry out joints for some guys, so it lines up with what you’re feeling easing off it. A full pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese is solid fuel after that session, plenty of protein and fats to cover recovery. Morning hunger is normal when you smash late gym nights, dropping the shake might not be worth it if it helps you hit macros clean.
did you get to 400 grams? @milbous1

 

[milbous1]

So you ran test and primo 1:1? Primo will lower your e2, crush it some people. How long have you been off the primo?

17 is right in the middle of the range, maybe you might be someone who feels better with slightly higher e2. Personally I do.

Dry creaky joints could be a lot of things tho. Diet is a big one.

the 15 th was my last shot. the e2 has been that way before i started trt and hasn’t moved even when i was fat no e2 converting . I was reading that tamoxifen side effects could be dry joint. i quit that. with last shot hopefully no spicy right nip. wrist are feeling better still can’t handle doing push downs or heavy skull crushers but can do dip machines and standing overhead extension and kick backs for triceps. How would i raise my e2 a little bit? Pin only twice a week instead of eod. I take fish oil supplements 2 times a day i do collagen peptides eat salmon enough wrist feel 60 percent better since stopping tamoxifen super high test dose and primo and it’s been 4 days i dont think anything really has left my system yet though.

It happens I remember you have a tight schedule, lets try it on weekend

ive been doing the vinegar in am and in pm. i don’t know yet if i notice anything. Im still always hungry lol. I’m trying to get to my fasting. i’m starting by cutting out all the snacks after morning shake. then i will cut out morning shake. Then i can eat between 12:30 and 9 at the latest I have to eat after the gym. i wake up at 4 at 430 i drink my protein shake work until 12:00 eat at 12:30 go back to work at 1 maybe a snack if i have time then when i get home maybe a yogurt and honey or some dates before i work out then as much food as i can eat without feeling like a thanksgiving turkey usually around a pound of mea and some veggies or carbs or both

 

[BeMe]

the 15 th was my last shot. the e2 has been that way before i started trt and hasn’t moved even when i was fat no e2 converting . I was reading that tamoxifen side effects could be dry joint. i quit that. with last shot hopefully no spicy right nip. wrist are feeling better still can’t handle doing push downs or heavy skull crushers but can do dip machines and standing overhead extension and kick backs for triceps. How would i raise my e2 a little bit? Pin only twice a week instead of eod. I take fish oil supplements 2 times a day i do collagen peptides eat salmon enough wrist feel 60 percent better since stopping tamoxifen super high test dose and primo and it’s been 4 days i dont think anything really has left my system yet though.

ive been doing the vinegar in am and in pm. i don’t know yet if i notice anything. Im still always hungry lol. I’m trying to get to my fasting. i’m starting by cutting out all the snacks after morning shake. then i will cut out morning shake. Then i can eat between 12:30 and 9 at the latest I have to eat after the gym. i wake up at 4 at 430 i drink my protein shake work until 12:00 eat at 12:30 go back to work at 1 maybe a snack if i have time then when i get home maybe a yogurt and honey or some dates before i work out then as much food as i can eat without feeling like a thanksgiving turkey usually around a pound of mea and some veggies or carbs or both

I think pinning twice a week would just give you e2 spikes vs a higher e2. It sounds like it may have just been the Tamoxifen and you gotta wait for it all to get outta your system.

Why were you taking the Tamoxifen anyway? You got gyno? Definitely doesn't look like it?

Any chance you hurt your wrists at work installing a new machine or something? Fixing one of those dummies mistakes? Lol

I'm actually dealing with some wrist pain myself right now. I think I aggrivated them working in a tight junction box trying to bend some 3 ought Copper wire by hand. I did it, but my wrists have been pretty sore since. Then doing straight bar Arnold curls made it worse I think. I'm starting the BPC 157 again tonight.

 

[LevButlerov]

ive been doing the vinegar in am and in pm. i don’t know yet if i notice anything. Im still always hungry lol. I’m trying to get to my fasting. i’m starting by cutting out all the snacks after morning shake. then i will cut out morning shake. Then i can eat between 12:30 and 9 at the latest I have to eat after the gym. i wake up at 4 at 430 i drink my protein shake work until 12:00 eat at 12:30 go back to work at 1 maybe a snack if i have time then when i get home maybe a yogurt and honey or some dates before i work out then as much food as i can eat without feeling like a thanksgiving turkey usually around a pound of mea and some veggies or carbs or both

That’s a solid plan easing into fasting instead of cutting everything at once, makes it way easier to stick with. Apple cider vinegar won’t kill hunger but trimming snacks then dropping the morning shake will get you right into that 12:30 to 9 window. Pound of meat with carbs and veg post training is perfect fuel, just keep it consistent and your body will adjust to the new eating schedule.
Wait just wrote this and realized you mean apple cider vinegar not just regular vinegar right? @milbous1

 

[BeMe]

That’s a solid plan easing into fasting instead of cutting everything at once, makes it way easier to stick with. Apple cider vinegar won’t kill hunger but trimming snacks then dropping the morning shake will get you right into that 12:30 to 9 window. Pound of meat with carbs and veg post training is perfect fuel, just keep it consistent and your body will adjust to the new eating schedule.
Wait just wrote this and realized you mean apple cider vinegar not just regular vinegar right? @milbous1

Ohhh I hope he replies "you never said apple" lol

Then @LevButlerov looks back at his message and says "oops"

 

[milbous1]

That’s a ton of pressing volume with the extra drop sets and 120 pushups, no wonder the wrists are barking. Tamoxifen can dry out joints for some guys, so it lines up with what you’re feeling easing off it. A full pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese is solid fuel after that session, plenty of protein and fats to cover recovery. Morning hunger is normal when you smash late gym nights, dropping the shake might not be worth it if it helps you hit macros clean.
did you get to 400 grams? @milbous1

I’ve been getting closer to around 325 -350 when i cut out my morning snacks today i’m at 320 and still have dinner so i will definitely hit it today. not going to the gym tonight. going in the morning back and biceps tomm and legs sunday both will be done in the am and i will be lazy afterwards probably take a couple hour nap. after both work outs the shake is the only thing that helps me make sure my protein is over 300 grams half the protein in my shake is whey the other half is casein protein when allowed to eat at work i get in around 100 grams of protein between breakfast and lunch. usually in the form of chicken tenders and yogurt of some style. and maybe a protein bar

 

[LevButlerov]

I’ve been getting closer to around 325 -350 when i cut out my morning snacks today i’m at 320 and still have dinner so i will definitely hit it today. not going to the gym tonight. going in the morning back and biceps tomm and legs sunday both will be done in the am and i will be lazy afterwards probably take a couple hour nap. after both work outs the shake is the only thing that helps me make sure my protein is over 300 grams half the protein in my shake is whey the other half is casein protein when allowed to eat at work i get in around 100 grams of protein between breakfast and lunch. usually in the form of chicken tenders and yogurt of some style. and maybe a protein bar

Protein setup looks solid, hitting 320+ with dinner still to go keeps you on track and that whey/casein combo post workout covers both fast and slow digestion. Morning back and bis then legs Sunday is a good split, nap after will only help recovery. Chicken tenders, yogurt, and a bar at work is easy protein, just keep it consistent and you’ll have no issue staying over 300 daily. If you can get to 400 push there to get that Protein KING crown @milbous1
which vinegar is it? LOL

Wait just wrote this and realized you mean apple cider vinegar not just regular vinegar right? @milbous1

 

[LevButlerov]

Ohhh I hope he replies "you never said apple" lol

Then @LevButlerov looks back at his message and says "oops"

lol happened to me many times

 

[milbous1]

I’ve been getting closer to around 325 -350 when i cut out my morning snacks today i’m at 320 and still have dinner so i will definitely hit it today. not going to the gym tonight. going in the morning back and biceps tomm and legs sunday both will be done in the am and i will be lazy afterwards probably take a couple hour nap. after both work outs the shake is the only thing that helps me make sure my protein is over 300 grams half the protein in my shake is whey the other half is casein protein when allowed to eat at work i get in around 100 grams of protein between breakfast and lunch. usually in the form of chicken tenders and yogurt of some style. and maybe a protein bar

and i took out them 100 grams of protein

I think pinning twice a week would just give you e2 spikes vs a higher e2. It sounds like it may have just been the Tamoxifen and you gotta wait for it all to get outta your system.

Why were you taking the Tamoxifen anyway? You got gyno? Definitely doesn't look like it?

Any chance you hurt your wrists at work installing a new machine or something? Fixing one of those dummies mistakes? Lol

I'm actually dealing with some wrist pain myself right now. I think I aggrivated them working in a tight junction box trying to bend some 3 ought Copper wire by hand. I did it, but my wrists have been pretty sore since. Then doing straight bar Arnold curls made it worse I think. I'm starting the BPC 157 again tonight.

so i was taking the tamoxifen because my right nip was on fire and from my understanding tamoxifen doesn’t crush e2 like the others but it stops gyno and i started taking it and the burning stopped then i quit it started burning again so i started taking it and it stopped again hopefully without all the extra hormones it doesn’t start back up.

 

[stevesmi]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

@milbous1 good work man! you are looking great. 93/7 beef is A+

 

[milbous1]

Protein setup looks solid, hitting 320+ with dinner still to go keeps you on track and that whey/casein combo post workout covers both fast and slow digestion. Morning back and bis then legs Sunday is a good split, nap after will only help recovery. Chicken tenders, yogurt, and a bar at work is easy protein, just keep it consistent and you’ll have no issue staying over 300 daily. If you can get to 400 push there to get that Protein KING crown @milbous1
which vinegar is it? LOL

apple cider organic with mother. Originally it was two weeks over 400 i did it for a month plus a little i can gaurantee over 300 on a type of fast i suppose it would be called especially with how active i am. i can’t guarantee 400 without being able too eat all day. I guess im just going to have to wait for my bulk cycle in january oh this may have came in the mail today 2.5 weeks international order 40 percent off with bitcoin Ug Freak. Body Monster might have influenced some of this buy. Might try it the last 6 weeks might wait until a true cut cycle. Definitely running Test and Boldo in january if labs are good I like to be prepared

 

[milbous1]

@milbous1 good work man! you are looking great. 93/7 beef is A+

thank you i’ve came a long way. I plan on doing my next cycle the right way lean to start and bulking slapping on some good muscle mass. I have stayed right around the same weight this whole cycle lost a ton of fat so the recomp in my opinion was a success. I can probably make my way to 190-195 by january 15 and be in the 10-12 percent body fat range. I just have a little belly left and some right around the waist line. I have never had the v cut in my stomach in my life . that’s what i’m after right now. without losing muscle or strength if possible. so far so good.

 

[milbous1]

Protein setup looks solid, hitting 320+ with dinner still to go keeps you on track and that whey/casein combo post workout covers both fast and slow digestion. Morning back and bis then legs Sunday is a good split, nap after will only help recovery. Chicken tenders, yogurt, and a bar at work is easy protein, just keep it consistent and you’ll have no issue staying over 300 daily. If you can get to 400 push there to get that Protein KING crown @milbous1
which vinegar is it? LOL

I think pinning twice a week would just give you e2 spikes vs a higher e2. It sounds like it may have just been the Tamoxifen and you gotta wait for it all to get outta your system.

Why were you taking the Tamoxifen anyway? You got gyno? Definitely doesn't look like it?

Any chance you hurt your wrists at work installing a new machine or something? Fixing one of those dummies mistakes? Lol

I'm actually dealing with some wrist pain myself right now. I think I aggrivated them working in a tight junction box trying to bend some 3 ought Copper wire by hand. I did it, but my wrists have been pretty sore since. Then doing straight bar Arnold curls made it worse I think. I'm starting the BPC 157 again tonight.

I think my right started hurting around the time i was taking the tamoxifen. and it was for my right wrist when i was using dumbbells and didn’t want to drop them when i pushed myself to absolute failure. now i drop them without a thought. and my left wrist and dryness in both was the last 7-10 days. It could be i’ve just been pushing to hard because i was on gear as well but the last few days feeling better. How do you like the BPC 157 how long before you notice results

 

[BodyMonster34]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

bro 120 pushups not bad. i can hit 150+. you need to do situps too @milbous1

 

[milbous1]

bro 120 pushups not bad. i can hit 150+. you need to do situps too @milbous1

they weren’t all in a row i can only get in 35-40 if im fresh i do a lot of planks and plank variations. i also hit the ab machine pretty hard leg lifts cable twist i’ll throw some sit ups in though . I was doing sets of 20 then sets of 15 in between exercises just to get a little pump on the chest. you talked me into buying a couple bottles of Tren A. possibly for the last 6 weeks maybe 8 of the next cycle in the winter when i do a bulk. Or i might save them for a cut haven’t decided yet

 

[BodyMonster34]

they weren’t all in a row i can only get in 35-40 if im fresh i do a lot of planks and plank variations. i also hit the ab machine pretty hard leg lifts cable twist i’ll throw some sit ups in though . I was doing sets of 20 then sets of 15 in between exercises just to get a little pump on the chest. you talked me into buying a couple bottles of Tren A. possibly for the last 6 weeks maybe 8 of the next cycle in the winter when i do a bulk. Or i might save them for a cut haven’t decided yet

bro you should do them more.

 

[milbous1]

bro you should do them more.

yea i think i might start doing them in the morning before work when i wake up see if i can beat my personal best of 76 when i was in jail. I would like to hit a 100 in a row

 

[BodyMonster34]

yea i think i might start doing them in the morning before work when i wake up see if i can beat my personal best of 76 when i was in jail. I would like to hit a 100 in a row

bro nice. in the clink best time to do them. have celly stand on you while you do them extra challenge after shower time together

 

[Mobster]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

Are you using winstrol? And taking fish oils and or joint products?

 

[stevesmi]

thank you i’ve came a long way. I plan on doing my next cycle the right way lean to start and bulking slapping on some good muscle mass. I have stayed right around the same weight this whole cycle lost a ton of fat so the recomp in my opinion was a success. I can probably make my way to 190-195 by january 15 and be in the 10-12 percent body fat range. I just have a little belly left and some right around the waist line. I have never had the v cut in my stomach in my life . that’s what i’m after right now. without losing muscle or strength if possible. so far so good.

You will get it

 

[milbous1]

Are you using winstrol? And taking fish oils and or joint products?

No winstrol. The only thing I was taking was test C and Primo 400mg each. my E2 levels have been between 15 and 17. I take fish oil twice a day collagen peptides.

 

[milbous1]

bro nice. in the clink best time to do them. have celly stand on you while you do them extra challenge after shower time together

just so you know i haven’t really been to jail in over 15 years for more than over night. and none in the last 10 years for something that i did . I spent a week in jail. for breaking and entering for sitting in a parking lot sleeping. I pulled over on my way to a different job because i travel for work. i was tired i wake up to cops beating on my door pulling me out of my truck accusing me of breaking and entering threw me in jail . put money in account to bond out that night they lost the money in the system for a week it was a fucking nightmare. i was so polite at first but when i figured i was going to jail as a innocent man my mouth was pretty bad. they caught the real person before i even went to court. dropped all charges.

 

[2Thick]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

@milbous1 Good job. Getting in those drop sets. I love to see hard work, getting rewarded.

 

[ROIDDERS]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

This is some solid iron training. Sounds like also you enjoyed some nice taco meat with cheese. Just make sure that cheese is raw. @milbous1

 

[ceo]

got it in at the gym tonight did two additional drop sets with incline bench did 120 pushups as well in between some sets i need to chill out though both my wrists are bothering me i think it might be the tamoxifen because i haven’t taken it for a couple days and feeling a little relief. They feel dry and creaky if that makes sense. came home ate a pound of 93/7 taco meat with cheese. i haven’t completely got to my full fast yet but close. i just got to get rid of my morning protein shake. i wake up so hungry on gym nights. no matter how much i eat.

Bros. Nothing wrong with drop sets. Congrats also on doing that, many push-ups. @milbous1 You really nailing, your body and pushing the iron.

 

[BeMe]

I think my right started hurting around the time i was taking the tamoxifen. and it was for my right wrist when i was using dumbbells and didn’t want to drop them when i pushed myself to absolute failure. now i drop them without a thought. and my left wrist and dryness in both was the last 7-10 days. It could be i’ve just been pushing to hard because i was on gear as well but the last few days feeling better. How do you like the BPC 157 how long before you notice results

The results depend on the injury. Typically I get some good relief after a few days and in about a week I'm all better when it comes to strains like this.

I started using bpc-157 about 5 or 6 years ago to heal up injuries quick so it doesn't affect my work. I always have a vial in the fridge ready to go in case I hurt myself. Generally I'll try and just tough it out for a few days with minor stuff like this and see if it resolves on its own, but the bpc 157 always provides relief within a few days.

For more serious injuries where I pull something or feel something get tweaked bad I hop on the BPC right away and sometimes it prevents things from even getting to a point where it's painful at all. Like works right away. It's pretty incredible

 

[milbous1]

The results depend on the injury. Typically I get some good relief after a few days and in about a week I'm all better when it comes to strains like this.

I started using bpc-157 about 5 or 6 years ago to heal up injuries quick so it doesn't affect my work. I always have a vial in the fridge ready to go in case I hurt myself. Generally I'll try and just tough it out for a few days with minor stuff like this and see if it resolves on its own, but the bpc 157 always provides relief within a few days.

For more serious injuries where I pull something or feel something get tweaked bad I hop on the BPC right away and sometimes it prevents things from even getting to a point where it's painful at all. Like works right away. It's pretty incredible

nice i have a 10 pk of box of bpc in the fridge and a 10 pack of tb500/bpc. among a bunch of other peptides Do you have any experience with Semorelin, ss31, mots c, ghku ?. My trt clinic is trying to push the semorelin pretty hard on me. I was wondering if it’s a good long term option instead of hgh.

 

[BeMe]

nice i have a 10 pk of box of bpc in the fridge and a 10 pack of tb500/bpc. among a bunch of other peptides Do you have any experience with Semorelin, ss31, mots c, ghku ?. My trt clinic is trying to push the semorelin pretty hard on me. I was wondering if it’s a good long term option instead of hgh.

Yep BPC and TB are going to be the one size fits all injury protocol. Whatever is wrong the two of them together will fix it. I tend to only get the TB going for more major stuff so I don't really keep it around. I've always had great results just from the BP but if something gets really badly hurt I order a bunch of TB right away. Like when I'm sitting in my work truck right away lol.

Mot c I ran for a little while when I was on a longevity kick a while ago. I sorta remember having a little more energy but it wasn't a big difference and I just ended up dropping it.

I think with the semorelin you'd be better off just getting actual GH but that's just based on the things I've read and seen. I'm running GH now and it's a total game changer for sleep and recovery. I track everything and the change was more drastic than anything I've ever put in my body to date.

GHKCU sounds really interesting and I've been looking into it a lot lately, but for me it seems a bit early. Evo members here report a lot of mixed reviews apart from the PIP, that's consistently bad lol. I kinda look at GHKCu like methylene blue, interested but waiting to see what happens with people after long term use. Maybe in a decade when I'm 50 and there's more long term data I'll hop on.

I haven't heard much about ss31 or done any research on it. Can't offer much opinion there sorry.

 

[milbous1]

Yep BPC and TB are going to be the one size fits all injury protocol. Whatever is wrong the two of them together will fix it. I tend to only get the TB going for more major stuff so I don't really keep it around. I've always had great results just from the BP but if something gets really badly hurt I order a bunch of TB right away. Like when I'm sitting in my work truck right away lol.

Mot c I ran for a little while when I was on a longevity kick a while ago. I sorta remember having a little more energy but it wasn't a big difference and I just ended up dropping it.

I think with the semorelin you'd be better off just getting actual GH but that's just based on the things I've read and seen. I'm running GH now and it's a total game changer for sleep and recovery. I track everything and the change was more drastic than anything I've ever put in my body to date.

GHKCU sounds really interesting and I've been looking into it a lot lately, but for me it seems a bit early. Evo members here report a lot of mixed reviews apart from the PIP, that's consistently bad lol. I kinda look at GHKCu like methylene blue, interested but waiting to see what happens with people after long term use. Maybe in a decade when I'm 50 and there's more long term data I'll hop on.

I haven't heard much about ss31 or done any research on it. Can't offer much opinion there sorry.

Awesome thanks man. I have a bottle of hgh on the way. i’m going to give it a try 100 iu should last 50 days as long as it stays good that long in the fridge. Day 30 i will order another bottle as long as i’ve seen some results. I know i won’t really notice much for 3 or so months but i was reading the better sleep and energy are kinda within the first week

 

[BeMe]

Awesome thanks man. I have a bottle of hgh on the way. i’m going to give it a try 100 iu should last 50 days as long as it stays good that long in the fridge. Day 30 i will order another bottle as long as i’ve seen some results. I know i won’t really notice much for 3 or so months but i was reading the better sleep and energy are kinda within the first week

First week? Naw bro FIRST NIGHT!

Look at these recovery numbers. Aug 15th was my first dose at 2iu. 3 days in a row I got the highest recovery score I've ever had in my life lol