First cycle questions

[m3x]

Age: 32, 6'2"
Last natty test around 700ng but fluctuates wildly. Large nuts. Pubertal gyno(can do surgery any time but it doesn't bother me much). Low energy, low mood, lifelong sleep issues. High libido + ED more than half the time.
15-18% bf
190lbs
Diet on point, high protein, whole foods. No alcohol except holidays.
Training needs improvement, just recovered from both wrists getting injured/broken. Getting back to it after almost 3 months recovery.

Will 250 test cyp + anivar do anything for me with these natural levels?
Looking to try a 12-18 week cycle then pct.
Want feedback on if higher test levels could improve mood, energy and body composition/size and if it should be an easy recovery.
Not opposed to lifelong trt but obviously would prefer cycling to keep the boys happy.
Have aromasin, clomid, nolva, supplements.

 

[m3x]

Don't know if it's relevant but high igf-1.

 

[LevButlerov]

Age: 32, 6'2"
Last natty test around 700ng but fluctuates wildly. Large nuts. Pubertal gyno(can do surgery any time but it doesn't bother me much). Low energy, low mood, lifelong sleep issues. High libido + ED more than half the time.
15-18% bf
190lbs
Diet on point, high protein, whole foods. No alcohol except holidays.
Training needs improvement, just recovered from both wrists getting injured/broken. Getting back to it after almost 3 months recovery.

Will 250 test cyp + anivar do anything for me with these natural levels?
Looking to try a 12-18 week cycle then pct.
Want feedback on if higher test levels could improve mood, energy and body composition/size and if it should be an easy recovery.
Not opposed to lifelong trt but obviously would prefer cycling to keep the boys happy.
Have aromasin, clomid, nolva, supplements.

@m3x i checked your other thread too about a boner
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-trt-issue.97013

in that thread you were asked to start your LOG journal diary
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-time-trt-issue.97013/post-1448423

is this your log? or you going to start a new LOG thread? we need to see your diet training cardio sleep and supps and more.

 

[stevesmi]

It's very important to understand that your natural levels will drop to zero once you use exogenous hormones. you are gonna replace that with what you take

its also important to stick to 12 weeks only so you make a full recovery. You have really good natural levels so you don't want to screw that up by using steroids for too long and shutting yourself down for too long

 

[dylangemelli]

your first cycle should be test only..

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[m3x]

It's very important to understand that your natural levels will drop to zero once you use exogenous hormones. you are gonna replace that with what you take

its also important to stick to 12 weeks only so you make a full recovery. You have really good natural levels so you don't want to screw that up by using steroids for too long and shutting yourself down for too long

Thanks, appreciate it. I'm aware they'll drop to zero with exogenous hormones. As long as I can boost it enough above my natural for benefits and recovery goes well I'd be okay with that.

Does anyone know if recovery is linear from that zero point? If I have this 700 level naturally will it take longer for me to recover to this point or will it take most people a similar amount of time to recover to their relative peak function? Do most people recover 90-100% after a 12 week cycle (with say pct and 20+ weeks off cycle) or is it always a gamble with even just testosterone?

I'll do another blood test soon and if it's still around 700 I'll reconsider until I'm closer to my genetic physique limit.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks, appreciate it. I'm aware they'll drop to zero with exogenous hormones. As long as I can boost it enough above my natural for benefits and recovery goes well I'd be okay with that.

Does anyone know if recovery is linear from that zero point? If I have this 700 level naturally will it take longer for me to recover to this point or will it take most people a similar amount of time to recover to their relative peak function? Do most people recover 90-100% after a 12 week cycle (with say pct and 20+ weeks off cycle) or is it always a gamble with even just testosterone?

I'll do another blood test soon and if it's still around 700 I'll reconsider until I'm closer to my genetic physique limit.

@m3x listen you can recover from any point but base recovery depends on how much testosterone your body produces.

can you answer our question? why haven't you started a LOG journal yet?

I personally told you how
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-cycle-questions.97100/#post-1451903

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Napsgear Testosterone cycle Training Diet Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

 

[m3x]

I'll start a log if I choose to begin after next blood test. Roughly a month until decision time. Thanks
Not entirely sure if you're a LOG bot or not

 

[MitchM]

I'll start a log if I choose to begin after next blood test. Roughly a month until decision time. Thanks
Not entirely sure if you're a LOG bot or not

I know the LOG has been pushed and for good reason. I wouldn’t wait to start a LOG. If you want in depth answers, we need to see your eating training, and sleep habits on a daily basis. I’m relatively new here but most of these guys have decades of experience and they have so much knowledge to share as long as ur willing to post and take their advice and knowledge. I had no intention of logging myself but I was pushed to do so and I couldn’t be happier.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I'll start a log if I choose to begin after next blood test. Roughly a month until decision time. Thanks
Not entirely sure if you're a LOG bot or not

@m3x you should be starting a LOG now and getting things going. You shouldn't do last minute logs thats nonsense, you should be prepping for cycles BEFORe you start them.
And btw, rude calling me a 'log bot' i'm trying to help you get results bro and you're a newbie thats clearly not sure how to start a log, so I'm trying to help you.

 

[Mobster]

So there's nothing the matter with your natty levels

 

[m3x]

So there's nothing the matter with your natty levels

Nothing inherently wrong unless it's low for my system, no. TRT isn't the goal. Won't be cruising between cycles.
Have had long term damage to the boys from a childhood injury though, so it's possible it's lower than my body wants. Still have an annoying varicocele(which I've heard increases SHBG).

Looking for above natural benefits.

 

[ceo]

bros much respect your post
but many things don't add up
you have good test levels but want to shut it down?

 

[ROIDDERS]

It's actually very important to get a log going
how else are we going to be able to guide you?

 

[chesty]

your test levels aren't low
700 is very strong levels
if you want to use gear then run a cycle

 

[Ulter]

what kind of damage did you have when you were a boy?
Be more specific because most people don't have your test levels

 

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[e2]

the best thing you can do is start up a log
it's not just about the steroids you're using it's about your diet and training too

 

[2Thick]

no log means you won't be getting daily help from the experts on here
you are only hurting yourself in the process

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

we want to see your blood work as well
please make sure you post it once you get it in

 

[MONSTRO]

Monstro did a log and guess what happened to me?
i got my pro card

 

[25homes]

bro you want to run a cycle or no. Just got to decide test only if you do

 

[m3x]

bros much respect your post
but many things don't add up
you have good test levels but want to shut it down?

I want to improve energy, get faster growth and improve physique faster than I do naturally. With short cycles, pct and recovery I should be back online after just test right?
What's the problem in your opinion? Should I not do AAS unless I'm on permanent TRT?

what kind of damage did you have when you were a boy?
Be more specific because most people don't have your test levels

Direct impact while rollerblading to an angled support column. In the process of falling backwards so it took full impact.

 

[Noah Wixx]

I want to improve energy, get faster growth and improve physique faster than I do naturally. With short cycles, pct and recovery I should be back online after just test right?
What's the problem in your opinion? Should I not do AAS unless I'm on permanent TRT?


Direct impact while rollerblading to an angled support column. In the process of falling backwards so it took full impact.

That's a hell of an injury ouch

 

[Davidgoggins]

Your natty levels are great brother. Mine were 200. I wouldn't touch a thing unless you're looking to compete or have some other need.

 

[m3x]

Your natty levels are great brother. Mine were 200. I wouldn't touch a thing unless you're looking to compete or have some other need.

Thanks, maybe my slow progress and low energy isn't testosterone related. I hope it's consistent. In that case I'll agree and not use anything. It's my first testosterone test ever and about 6 months old. Pretty maxed out on personalized supplements and diet also.
(Cycled Tonkat Ali, boron(for high SHBG), selenium, vit d, magnesium, zinc, AG1 mix, ashwagandha as ksm-66(also in AG1 but my cortisol is painfully high), iodine(kelp), occasional shilajit)

I actually felt like death the day of the test for whatever reason(lethargic, sore, fatigued, anxious to the point of tingling all over like niacin). I genuinely expected low results.
I think the 10/10 body on the Thai nurse gave a little boost. Shame she missed the vein 3 times tho.
I'll test again shortly more baseline, maybe a different clinic.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Your natty levels are great brother. Mine were 200. I wouldn't touch a thing unless you're looking to compete or have some other need.

@Davidgoggins 200? thats low you on TRT bro?

Thanks, maybe my slow progress and low energy isn't testosterone related. I hope it's consistent. In that case I'll agree and not use anything. It's my first testosterone test ever and about 6 months old. Pretty maxed out on personalized supplements and diet also.
(Cycled Tonkat Ali, boron(for high SHBG), selenium, vit d, magnesium, zinc, AG1 mix, ashwagandha as ksm-66(also in AG1 but my cortisol is painfully high), iodine(kelp), occasional shilajit)

I actually felt like death the day of the test for whatever reason(lethargic, sore, fatigued, anxious to the point of tingling all over like niacin). I genuinely expected low results.
I think the 10/10 body on the Thai nurse gave a little boost. Shame she missed the vein 3 times tho.
I'll test again shortly more baseline, maybe a different clinic.

@m3x she missed your vein? how is your bodyfat, sounds high.

I want to improve energy, get faster growth and improve physique faster than I do naturally. With short cycles, pct and recovery I should be back online after just test right?
What's the problem in your opinion? Should I not do AAS unless I'm on permanent TRT?


Direct impact while rollerblading to an angled support column. In the process of falling backwards so it took full impact.

if you want to use steroids or TRT you should start with diet and training FIRST
why do you keep ignoring my request for a LOG?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-cycle-questions.97100/post-1452449
asked you to log journal but you keep ignoring and obviously you got no results

 

[m3x]

@Davidgoggins 200? thats low you on TRT bro?


@m3x she missed your vein? how is your bodyfat, sounds high.


if you want to use steroids or TRT you should start with diet and training FIRST
why do you keep ignoring my request for a LOG?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-cycle-questions.97100/post-1452449
asked you to log journal but you keep ignoring and obviously you got no results

About 15% right now. 6'2" and 190 lbs. Currently on a deficit though so you're not wrong. I just have annoying veins. She actually went through the vein and had to change arm.

I'll log a bit later bro. Appreciate it.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

About 15% right now. 6'2" and 190 lbs. Currently on a deficit though so you're not wrong. I just have annoying veins. She actually went through the vein and had to change arm.

I'll log a bit later bro. Appreciate it.

@m3x annoying veins? lets see pics, any pics of her missing many times and swelling after?
you know its hard for us to truly help without pics or a log, all just guessing from the community
and what country you doing injection?

on the Log, please start one asap we are all waiting

 

[ballin2504]

Check out Dylan’s video and start up a log