Approved Log First cycle – Second iteration - Testosterone Masteron Winstrol Anavar -vascularity for the summer Log

[2Thick]

I'll schedule a blood test before the usual 8 weeks mark and follow it closely after the aromasin adjustment. And yes, ephedrine is out of the window now that I have the blood test results and that I can probably be somewhat sure the hunger comes from the high estrogen, I've never been this hungry all the time. I'll attempt to reach a middle ground and control my hunger this way. I can't sleep on ephedrine and it gives my severe anxiety. @2Thick



I'll look up the sponsors. Retatrutide looks very strong. @Ulter

Could be. But 6 mg a week of aromasin was mostly nothing too. Haha! It's fairly strong so i always tend to start lower to have the ability to raise the dose later. Crashing the E2 by snacking on it would be another set of problems, i want to avoid. Slowly i'll get the sweet spot.

ephedrine is outdated.

look at the GLP-1's

 

[Ulter]

I'll schedule a blood test before the usual 8 weeks mark and follow it closely after the aromasin adjustment. And yes, ephedrine is out of the window now that I have the blood test results and that I can probably be somewhat sure the hunger comes from the high estrogen, I've never been this hungry all the time. I'll attempt to reach a middle ground and control my hunger this way. I can't sleep on ephedrine and it gives my severe anxiety. @2Thick



I'll look up the sponsors. Retatrutide looks very strong. @Ulter

Could be. But 6 mg a week of aromasin was mostly nothing too. Haha! It's fairly strong so i always tend to start lower to have the ability to raise the dose later. Crashing the E2 by snacking on it would be another set of problems, i want to avoid. Slowly i'll get the sweet spot.

look into them

 

[ballin2504]

Got the bloodwork done yesterday. Should have the results early next week and will be able to see where i stand at in order to get the orals and adjust the dosing of my inectables if required.

So far, i inject twice a week. i've been on 140 mg of test cyp per week and now at 300 mg of masteron since last week. I didn't lose much weight, my hunger is up probably due to masteron. I'm having a hard time being in a deficit, like if i was fighting the anabolic that wants me to keep growing. Even though i did not lose weight, i look tighther. So i guess the weight does not matter as much. I'm trying to curb my hunger down with 8 mg of ephedrine per day, one pill. This is like clen, the effect will taper off in a few days but i'll take the help while i can. I really want to be in a steady deficit before starting the orals.

8 weeks oral:

- 40 mg anavar per day on training day;
- 40 mg winstrol per day on training day (or would 20 mg be enough?)
- 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off, total of 6 weeks on clen at a 25 mcg to 75 mcg dose per day.

Quick picture of the legs. I have too much hair to show any definition, but i think they grew a bit since February. Nothing too impressive, but for a 180 lbs frame, i think it's ok.

@haldencapital legs are coming in nicely

 

[ballin2504]

Bloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.

Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.

After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.

Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!

Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit Still at 69.

I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.

Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.

The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.


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@haldencapital man that is quick on getting bloods back

 

[Noah Wixx]

Bloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.

Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.

After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.

Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!

Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit Still at 69.

I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.

Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.

The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.


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Everyone responds differently with these compounds its not always black and white in nature, masteron in theory could act like a serum... dont count on it, its important and good you get bloods so you can see how you respond, i know for me i can run 300 test with 300 primo no ai and estrogen will be at 16.7 some people can do the same thing and estrogen is sky high. I also recommend AI day one and adjusting after bloods dose wise.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Got the bloodwork done yesterday. Should have the results early next week and will be able to see where i stand at in order to get the orals and adjust the dosing of my inectables if required.

So far, i inject twice a week. i've been on 140 mg of test cyp per week and now at 300 mg of masteron since last week. I didn't lose much weight, my hunger is up probably due to masteron. I'm having a hard time being in a deficit, like if i was fighting the anabolic that wants me to keep growing. Even though i did not lose weight, i look tighther. So i guess the weight does not matter as much. I'm trying to curb my hunger down with 8 mg of ephedrine per day, one pill. This is like clen, the effect will taper off in a few days but i'll take the help while i can. I really want to be in a steady deficit before starting the orals.

8 weeks oral:

- 40 mg anavar per day on training day;
- 40 mg winstrol per day on training day (or would 20 mg be enough?)
- 2 weeks on / 2 weeks off, total of 6 weeks on clen at a 25 mcg to 75 mcg dose per day.

Quick picture of the legs. I have too much hair to show any definition, but i think they grew a bit since February. Nothing too impressive, but for a 180 lbs frame, i think it's ok.

Honestly in my experience 20mg is plenty for winstrol i run it at that solo it was awesome crazy pumps and good endurance gains, when i combined it with 50mg anavar both taken 45 minutes before trianing... took my trianing into a whole new level.

 

[haldencapital]

Everyone responds differently with these compounds its not always black and white in nature, masteron in theory could act like a serum... dont count on it, its important and good you get bloods so you can see how you respond, i know for me i can run 300 test with 300 primo no ai and estrogen will be at 16.7 some people can do the same thing and estrogen is sky high. I also recommend AI day one and adjusting after bloods dose wise.

Honestly in my experience 20mg is plenty for winstrol i run it at that solo it was awesome crazy pumps and good endurance gains, when i combined it with 50mg anavar both taken 45 minutes before trianing... took my trianing into a whole new level.

@Noah Wixx thank you for your input! As you said and relates in your two messages, there is no one size fits all dosing. It's also what makes being enhanced so much more complicated and interesting (in my opinion) by adding multiple new variables in the process and why I tend to approach this very cautiously especially for the first year. It is certainly not a cheat code. Honestly, with my pretty new experience from natty to enhanced i can tell that it is not easy by any mean. Any bad habits (sleep, diet etc...) while natty would simply become exponentially worse on gear. The good and the bad gets amplified. My health would be in a very bad spot right now had I blasted 300 mg of test with other coumpounds from the start. There was no need for it to begin with, as most of the work has been done in the last 7 years of natty training.

 

[LevButlerov]

@Noah Wixx thank you for your input! As you said and relates in your two messages, there is no one size fits all dosing. It's also what makes being enhanced so much more complicated and interesting (in my opinion) by adding multiple new variables in the process and why I tend to approach this very cautiously especially for the first year. It is certainly not a cheat code. Honestly, with my pretty new experience from natty to enhanced i can tell that it is not easy by any mean. Any bad habits (sleep, diet etc...) while natty would simply become exponentially worse on gear. The good and the bad gets amplified. My health would be in a very bad spot right now had I blasted 300 mg of test with other coumpounds from the start. There was no need for it to begin with, as most of the work has been done in the last 7 years of natty training.

I think it's all relative to what you're doing and each person is different. I've trained guys that kill it on 20mgs of winstrol and others that need 100mgs. @haldencapital

 

[25homes]

Nice work

 

[25homes]

What ai u takin

 

[haldencapital]

What ai u takin

@25homes right now i have increased the dose to 12.5 mg of aromasin every other day.

 

[LevButlerov]

@25homes right now i have increased the dose to 12.5 mg of aromasin every other day.

how do you feel now? @haldencapital

 

[haldencapital]

how do you feel now? @haldencapital

I feel great. Hormones are bouncy for sure right now. Irritability is a bit increasing, mood swings. Guess the aromasin is doing something

 

[haldencapital]

Weekly update : i decided to take 3.5 weeks of vacation up North in a cabin. No phone, no internet, no electricity. I go in town one a week for laundry and food and i am pretty much just doing outdoor works on the land. I write this from my phone as I was able to get wifi at the laundrymat. Sweating a ton. Today is 118 degree fahrenheit. Tomorrow is the last day of the heat wave. Will get a more manageable 86 to 90 degrees after that.

So that means i get to workout by carrying wood and building stuff for the cabin. I will be able to maintain for sure but I might postponed the die hard cut due to that. My mind was on tilt before i left, lots of stress going on in my life and i don't feel like I can devote my all to it. Sleep, stress, legal & family stuff etc. Just not a good time. I keep by BW at a steady 181 - 183 lbs, somewhat lean. Which is a great foundation for this winter. I assume i will lose about 10 pounds when i will come off masteron and will reduce my testosterone to TRT levels but that would still be about 10 lbs above what i started with in January this year. I shall see.

I just don't feel like pushing another 8 weeks of cut after my vacation. I've been on cycle for about 17 weeks now. Seems plenty. I might slowly cut without orals instead of going for an aggressive and short-term cut. Give my mind some rest and come back with more motivation when all the stars will align.

So these were the last pics i took before i left. Will probably update next week or in two weeks when i'll get back home. Then i'll decide how to go about it. Probably will be the slow and steady cut only to remove some fluff.

Cheers guys! Hope everybody is doing great!