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Approved Log First cycle – Second iteration - Testosterone Masteron Winstrol Anavar -vascularity for the summer Log
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Bloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bitStill at 69.
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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oops, seems i cannot edit the post no more so i'll add it here. In fact, the testosterone dose is probably not the issue here, in the bodybuilding context. Estrogen is. The aromasin baby dose i had, 6.25 mg a week, might simply be too low. I went low because i don't want to block 95% of the estrogen. 25mg a day seems to achieve that clinically. So, might be sound to keep testosterone as is, but take 12.5 mg of aromasin every other day?
Bro, your legs look really strong.
8 week orals not bad. how about doing some superdrol or halo if you a real man?
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140mgs of test cyp and 300mgs of masteron from last week is good
you don't need crazy gear to build a nice physique
ephedrine will kill appetite yes but watch your heart health taking it
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@haldencapital bros this is a damn good layout
good anavar and winstrol on this
A++ work. keep it going
40mgs var and 40mgs winstrol is very strong
gonna really harden up on this as you go. i used ephedrine years ago. didn't really like it messed with my sleep too much
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@haldencapital nothing to worry about here. Lets move to 12mgs aromasin EOD to start off.Bloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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And your total test is still high so not bad at all.
@LevButlerov thanks boss
yes, after reflecting on the facts the only adjustment is the aromasin. I know this stuff is strong and I went very cautiously at first.
One pill of 12.5 mg every other day starting tomorrow should yield results. The good thing is that it reaches full efficacy fast so it should help with my hunger. Estrogen never been this high, hunger never been this high so there is got to be a relationship. No way I can shed weight without fasting right now, this is how pregnant women must feel.
@ROIDDERS now that my blood test is out and that I still see high estrogen on deck, ephedrine is not required. It's my aromasin dose that was way too low. I'm sure the hunger comes from the high estrogen, I've never been this hungry all the time. I'll attempt to reach a middle ground and control my hunger this way. I can't sleep on ephedrine and it gives my severe anxiety.
If you have tamoxifen on hand, add 10mgs eod too@LevButlerov thanks boss
yes, after reflecting on the facts the only adjustment is the aromasin. I know this stuff is strong and I went very cautiously at first.
One pill of 12.5 mg every other day starting tomorrow should yield results. The good thing is that it reaches full efficacy fast so it should help with my hunger. Estrogen never been this high, hunger never been this high so there is got to be a relationship. No way I can shed weight without fasting right now, this is how pregnant women must feel.
if not no issues.
Bloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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wow that is great your doctor is so quick with the response.
the bloodwork does not lie man. but it can be volatile but adjust as needed
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you won't go wrong with this update man. the numbers are right there for you to see. Now, you can adjust things.Bloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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@haldencapital
good to hear
the bloodwork looks good overall. estrogen can be complicated sometimes, but don't panic. worst case you can always slam letro to get it down easily but i don't think we are there yetBloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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@haldencapital
@haldencapital bro my estrogen stay high cause i on tren year round. tren mess with E numberBloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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so if you ever use tren you remember that
retatrutide or tirzepatide. i'm sure the canada sponsors sell it
you will love it
@haldencapital it might not have had enough time to really work with the masteronBloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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that could be the issue here
i would try some letro if you can't get it down
I'll schedule a blood test before the usual 8 weeks mark and follow it closely after the aromasin adjustment. And yes, ephedrine is out of the window now that I have the blood test results and that I can probably be somewhat sure the hunger comes from the high estrogen, I've never been this hungry all the time. I'll attempt to reach a middle ground and control my hunger this way. I can't sleep on ephedrine and it gives my severe anxiety. @2Thick
I'll look up the sponsors. Retatrutide looks very strong. @Ulter
Could be. But 6 mg a week of aromasin was mostly nothing too. Haha! It's fairly strong so i always tend to start lower to have the ability to raise the dose later. Crashing the E2 by snacking on it would be another set of problems, i want to avoid. Slowly i'll get the sweet spot.
you won't go wrong with keeping estrogen upper limit. but you don't want it over the top eitherBloodwork update. It only took 24h for the doc to send it to me. That was way quicker than usual.
Last reading was from April 17th. I was only using testosterone cypionate. I had been running it for 8 weeks prior at an average of 160 mg a week with a peak dose of 200mg the week before the reading. Estrogen was very high at 69.5 pg/ml.
After the reading in an attempt to lower estrogen, I decided to lower the dose to 140 mg a week. I added masteron with an average dose of 250 mg a week for the 8 weeks leading to the new reading with a peak dose of 300 mg the week before the reading. I also added 6.25 mg of aromasin per week.
Now, the reading comes in. I thought that masteron did not aromatize, that it would be neutral. It might be right. I thought that lowering the dose of test with 6.25 mg of aromasin would have somewhat reduced estrogen. At least a bit!
Well, i'm surprised to say that my estrogen, despite all that, did not move one bit
I'm a bit lost but this high estrogen is most certainly why i have a hard time controlling my hunger.
Now, is there a point of even running test over 75 mg a week with an estrogen this high? Just thinking of keeping the masteron as is, taking 75 - 100 mg a week of test and maybe take 6.25 mg of aromasin twice a week instead of once a week. I'll be done with this cycle within 8-10 weeks anyway, so i know i'm gonna have to reduce the test sooner or later. I might be able to live with the estrogen this high for the 8-10 weeks, but it will have to go down at some point.
The problem here is that the doc did not request estradiol in the bloodtests prior to me jumping on gear after I started my TRT a year ago. The estradiol could have been higher than normal from a base level... That i don't know.
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high estrogen can end up with gyno sneak up on you. i had it long time ago and no fun
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