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Hi, I started my first cycle of dhb and test from USP (btw great service, almost no PIP on dhb) and I am now 8 days in (I front loaded the first 7 days using 2x weekly dose, ik frontloading is not recommended but I just wanted to feel it quicker) and I'm not really feeling anything at all tbh. When could I expect to feel anything at all? I would appreciate some help. Thank you.
What’s your age, height, BF% weight etc
Way too young bro
And way too high bf% for compounds like that. You’re fucking up. You’re playing a dangerous game. I’d cease all pinning and PCT in a couple weeks.
I know it's not a good idea. I have weighed out the pros and cons and given my situation I have determined it's worth it for me. I really do appreciate the concern but I am not looking for criticism on hopping on, even if it's valid. Also why is my bf too high for dhb? Isn't it a pretty versatile compound?
You have to earn cycles bro. You earn it by being lean or getting lean first. You’re way too young regardless. You’re going to end up with gyno, sterile for life, and stunting your mental growth. This isn’t a game. Like I said you are fucking up. Not trying to be a dick. Just giving you the hard truth.
I understand that, and I am careful about my fertility. I am running hcg, and have tamoxifen when I pct, and other ancillaries to keep me as healthy as possible. I know I should get lean first, but I am a baseball player. As a pitcher you can't just lose weight, or velo comes with it.
Post blood tests
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/blood-work-results.111744/post-2108014
Those are my highest recorded levels. They are usually under 300.
You do not get to dictate replies. Plus advice we give you benefits others reading.
You say you're a baseball player like it's your job. Is it?
So, as we've told others, get leaner and your (low end of normal BTW) numbers will go up.
What's with the fat helping velocity? Cos you said weight. Add muscle, keep size, keep speed.
Also ignore feel. It's one metric. Go get new bloods and SEE what's happening.
Yes it's totally fair to criticize me, but I was trying to redirect the conversation back to what I was actually posting about. And being a baseball player is not my job, but it gives context.
It's not the actual body fat that helps velocity, it's mass in general. Idk if you've ever heard the term "mass = gass". While muscle is definitely preferable because it's contractile, general mass allows for a higher force output (unless it's to the point where it limits mobility). This means that I really can't afford to cut. Also doesn't the data show that there is little differences in test production between 10-20% bodyfat?
And yes while bloods are important, part of the reason I hopped on was because I felt like garbage all the time and had symptoms of low test despite an extremely healthy lifestyle, almost to the point where it was obsessive.
I’m confused you have 370 total test at 18 years old? Have you already been running gear previously
post a pic of your current self blurred face
no unfortunately. That's just my shitty natural production.
Sorry man I'm not really comfortable doing that
Your life, your decision in the end. But agreed with the above about waiting. I'm 41 add still planning my first cycle and trying to get more leaner before even thinking about starting. Doing bloodwork, checked the liver via ultra sound to making sure everything is all good. I was in the same boat when I was in my early 20s and wanted to jump on some DBol like all of my other friends. Glad I waited. Didn't know shit back then. Would have been a mistake.
You don't have to wait till your 40s but I would wait a bit. In a few years, you might have a completely different outlook. Might meet someone, want to start a family etc... Take it from someone who had fertility issues without steroid use, it's not fun and a hard road for both your partner and you. Just think it through.
You don't have to wait till your 40s but I would wait a bit. In a few years, you might have a completely different outlook. Might meet someone, want to start a family etc... Take it from someone who had fertility issues without steroid use, it's not fun and a hard road for both your partner and you. Just think it through.
the biggest misconception i see out there is these social media people out there telling kids your age to use gear if your test is low. their logic is they think your test levels are peaking which is 1000% false. they think just cause you wack off 3x a day that means high test levels which isn't true. your test levels don't reach peak until your mid to even late 20's. you are still DEVELOPING. so test levels right now don't mean shit. a year from now your levels could go from 300 to 1000. you just don't know. by using anabolics now you are only hurting your own development.
also steroids aren't magic, that is another misconception. if you don't dial in your diet, training, and build proper muscle memory (which takes YEARS, not weeks or months) then they do literally NOTHING for you except set you back.
this would explain why you aren't seeing any results
lol and 18 years old first ever cycle and decides to run DHB at 20% BF god man
whats wrong with that?
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I've been using peptides for years. They're very subtleyou're too young for aasyou should try to do something like peptides to start @AdamD26
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I don't understand why this is necessary...please post some pics of you with your face blurred
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to understand your base and know where you're at, face blurred out so anonymous @AdamD26
I'm not gonna give a photo, but it is pretty garbage considering I have been lifting consistantly and optimally for 3 years, likely due to hypogonadism affecting my muscle building and fat distribution.
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if you wont post a photo face blurred, its best you leave the EVO family, we dont help anyone who wont share their base @AdamD26 and if your photo is this bad consider a cycle is not for you
Yeah just to clarify my before is not "that bad", I just dont post my photos anywhere on the internet. It's just a rule I have. since you never know what it could mean in the future. Such a shame that you suggest I should leave. I really felt welcomed and got a lot of good answers to my questions (sarcastic)
So you’re saying every single member in here is wrong or dumb for posting their picture?
When did I ever say, or even suggest that?
In the first post you’re suggesting you’re hypogonadal, and then later on you have mentioned a PCT.
How do you think a cycle and then PCT will help increase your Test levels when you come off?
That’s what they all say. But think about it: you’re too young to know what the future holds in store for you, so you are making a decision based on incomplete data. I’m not even sure what the forum age policy is currently, but I already think this is likely to go badly.
It’s not a log if you aren’t posting progress pics. If pics weren’t required there’d be even more fake accounts, kids, and weirdos that are not doing what they say they do and causing a whole bunch of drama for no reason.
People on here spend hours every day giving the best advice available on PEDs for free. If you can’t share progress pics then you’re really not deserving of that.
I had my reservations as well. I have a business and I have been in trouble and I’m involved in a sport that makes me somewhat well known locally. But you know what? If you have to hide then you shouldn’t be doing what you’re doing. I’m not out here advertising, but I can hold my head up. You should too
@AdamD26 Hey brother, thanks for taking the time to log up like this. All criticism from the community comes from a place of wanting better for you, even if it doesn't seem like it lol
You've made the decision to commit to this lifestyle bro I'd love to see you get the most out of it. What does your nutrition and training look like at the moment? Health supps? You're sleeping well?
Also just coming back to your initial question "When should I feel it?": Ideally, never. The best cycle is one that doesn't feel like a cycle.
You've made the decision to commit to this lifestyle bro I'd love to see you get the most out of it. What does your nutrition and training look like at the moment? Health supps? You're sleeping well?
Also just coming back to your initial question "When should I feel it?": Ideally, never. The best cycle is one that doesn't feel like a cycle.
Thanks for the greta response. I am on a slight surplus right now of 200 calories, and plan on assessing 12 weeks in wether I want to cut or keep recomping. I am upping the calories bc of the increase in bmr, not bc I think I need to bulk up or anything. I am aiming for 200g protein every day. I take hcg to protect my fertility, gw0742 5mg for lipid support and insulin sensitization, cialis 5mg for bp (it is currently 120/80 without it so I'm adding it in), and mk677 12mg (can't afford hgh, will be introduced for 80 days around week 4), NAC 2.4g (split up morning and night), tudca 250mg, d3 10k iu, k2 200mcg, zinc 50mg, copper 2mg, magnesium glycinate 600mg, creatine 10g, and astaxanthin for antioxidant support. I think thats juyst about everything I'm taking. I have been sleeping well, just waking up earlier and feel warm in the morning (assuming bc of some degree of thermogenicity from the DHB). What do you mean by the best cycle is the one that doesn't feel like a cycle? Also if you have any advice on my structure I would appreciate it.
I don't think it will help at all. I would like to cruise if possible, but there may be a reason that I won't be able to cruise. I have the tamoxifen on hand if I need it.
While holding some fat (see mass = gass) and at age 18.
Again. Leaner equates to (usually) better numbers. You may be over training. Look at the effects of that. You'll see how you felt is typical
Isn't testosterone similar withint the range of 10-20% bodyfat? If anything it would have been a very minor increase that wouldn';t have been very noticeable. I also don't think I was over training. I was lifting 5 days a week and taking recovery very seriously (using gh secretagogues helped as well)
You're doing a lot of the right things here bro, for sure, just need to get the Pharma right for you.
Re. the cycle comment I mean to say that the best type of cycle to run, is one that you can get the most out of for the longest period of time. Stay healthy in body and mind and you can stay on for a long time, which is where the best progress is made, naturally.
A good cycle doesn't feel any different to a regular lifestyle/ energy, just with a bit more pep lol
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