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Veteran Log First Testosterone Cycle Log

No the lower the number the lower your recovery. So Wednesday was actually pretty bad.

HRV is different for everyone too. My high HRV would probably be a terrible number for someone like @stevesmi cuz of his endurance training.
yeah i knew i had it reversed
 
yeah i knew i had it reversed
Its still considered a fairly new metric for judging recovery and it's not the be all end all. My whoop strap takes a lot of different variables into consideration for calculating recovery. Even with all that, there are days when my recovery is low but I still feel strong and vice versa
 
Log Day 142

Current dose 70mg test EOD and 2iu GH

Technically a rest day but I got a crazy workout in moving removing close to 2 tons of weeds from the lake. Back is feeling that today.

My diet is a bit off but I'm making the best of it. Skipping some stuff and filling in the gaps with food I brought.

Other than that just working on my tan and getting some jet skiing in.


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I re read this 3 times I thought you said 2 tons of "weed" I was like WOW! LOL :P
 
Log Day 143

Dosing 70mg test EOD, 3iu GH

Not a whole lot to report. Another day on vacation up at the cottage. Got up to 13k steps just doing stuff outdoors.

The big news is I took 3iu of GH before bed last night cuz it was all I had left in the vial and there was a chance I decreased the potency when I semi froze it during travel. Looks like the potency was still good cuz I got the highest sleep score I've ever seen in my life. Which is crazy cuz I'm sleeping on my cottage bed which is nowhere near as good as my bed at home. It's seriously incredible how good this GH is working for me.

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That woulda been awesome.

Unfortunately it was the exact opposite lol. Dirty stinky lake weeds of no fun or value.
lol the bad weed :P
Log Day 143

Dosing 70mg test EOD, 3iu GH

Not a whole lot to report. Another day on vacation up at the cottage. Got up to 13k steps just doing stuff outdoors.

The big news is I took 3iu of GH before bed last night cuz it was all I had left in the vial and there was a chance I decreased the potency when I semi froze it during travel. Looks like the potency was still good cuz I got the highest sleep score I've ever seen in my life. Which is crazy cuz I'm sleeping on my cottage bed which is nowhere near as good as my bed at home. It's seriously incredible how good this GH is working for me.

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Cottage vacation where are the pics? :P @BeMe
 
lol the bad weed :P

Cottage vacation where are the pics? :P @BeMe
No pics this time. Figured you guys have already seen the lake and stuff. This weekend was nice cuz I treated it like a mini vacation and left my phone behind most of the time. Get away from the company emails and stuff for a change
 
Its still considered a fairly new metric for judging recovery and it's not the be all end all. My whoop strap takes a lot of different variables into consideration for calculating recovery. Even with all that, there are days when my recovery is low but I still feel strong and vice versa
yeah good explanation and cool tool
 
Log Day 144

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Yesterday was my last vacation day at the cottage. Had some fun in the sun and moved the weeds we collected up to the trailer to haul to the dump. I loaded the trailed myself and my dad said it weighed in at just over 1800lbs when he dumped it today.

I was supposed to do my arm training yesterday but you'll see below I got a pretty decent workout just moving that 1800lb pile of weeds.

Tried Valerian root for the first time last night and I don't think it was good for me. My REM sleep got crushed and I had some really intense dreams. Felt pretty lethargic this morning as well. I can see it's usefulness for someone who can't sleep but that isn't me and worse lowered my sleep quality. If I'm ever dealing with insomnia in the future I'll give it a go again.

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No pics this time. Figured you guys have already seen the lake and stuff. This weekend was nice cuz I treated it like a mini vacation and left my phone behind most of the time. Get away from the company emails and stuff for a change
That's smart, you have to get away from it, otherwise you can't relax. :D I was hoping with the season new pics maybe animals lol @BeMe
 
That's smart, you have to get away from it, otherwise you can't relax. :D I was hoping with the season new pics maybe animals lol @BeMe
As soon as the fall comes and all the leaves are changing I'll post some pics cuz it's seriously beautiful.

This weekend we had a young deer run out infront of our truck, saw a really fat groundhog, then just the usual birds and chipmunks, stuff like that. The most exciting thing we've had there were bald eagles but that's normal for you guys
 
As soon as the fall comes and all the leaves are changing I'll post some pics cuz it's seriously beautiful.

This weekend we had a young deer run out infront of our truck, saw a really fat groundhog, then just the usual birds and chipmunks, stuff like that. The most exciting thing we've had there were bald eagles but that's normal for you guys
If you hunted them even more exciting :P @BeMe I saw @ssgjpd talking about a Canada hunt the other day.
 
If you hunted them even more exciting :P @BeMe I saw @ssgjpd talking about a Canada hunt the other day.
Yea it sounds awesome. I like shooting and eating...the killing of the animals gets me tho. I'm definitely a giant poosy when it comes to that. I love animals too much. I could hunt a person I don't like easier than a random animal lol
 
Yea it sounds awesome. I like shooting and eating...the killing of the animals gets me tho. I'm definitely a giant poosy when it comes to that. I love animals too much. I could hunt a person I don't like easier than a random animal lol
hunt someone you hate, i pick one pro bodybuilder i hate lol ;) i cant say who ill get burned
 
hunt someone you hate, i pick one pro bodybuilder i hate lol ;) i cant say who ill get burned
It's tough to guess to cuz quite a few of them seem like giant assholes lol

Hard to tell who's for real tho. A lot of these guys seem to be playing it up for the cameras cuz assholes get a lot of attention these days.

Maybe I need to figure out who the real real asshole is and then I'll know lol
 
It's tough to guess to cuz quite a few of them seem like giant assholes lol

Hard to tell who's for real tho. A lot of these guys seem to be playing it up for the cameras cuz assholes get a lot of attention these days.

Maybe I need to figure out who the real real asshole is and then I'll know lol
Actually they are not playing, I've met many IFBB pros and many were total negatives due to dieting. It's not them, they are just under-eating when you meet them at shows. @BeMe
 
Actually they are not playing, I've met many IFBB pros and many were total negatives due to dieting. It's not them, they are just under-eating when you meet them at shows. @BeMe
Even outside of contest prep. Being an asshole gets you clicks these days so everyone wants to be controversial in some way. More Nick Walkers than Samson Dauda's online.
 
Even outside of contest prep. Being an asshole gets you clicks these days so everyone wants to be controversial in some way. More Nick Walkers than Samson Dauda's online.
I don't like them when they are negative but I do understand why.
 
Or just have like ten huge pizzas delivered. Just leave them there and back away slow. Big pizzas. Family owned joint type pizzas. Thick cheese caramelized on top. Really hot. Like $25 in toppings. Burn the roof of your mouth so bad. Hunger headaches.
You're going to give them a stroke lol :P
 
It's just the online world. They gotta play the game. Negativity gets way more views than positivity. It's pretty sad
I hate negativity lol see that's a double negative.
 
We'll just give him a shot of Tren and some beef and he'll be good to go
Not sure, he's something else lol
 
@BeMe I'm slowly reading through your 147 pages of log. Great work! Quick question: how you liking the NPP? I'm about to switch to it from deca and just curious what you notice?
 
@BeMe I'm slowly reading through your 147 pages of log. Great work! Quick question: how you liking the NPP? I'm about to switch to it from deca and just curious what you notice?
Lol damn that a lot of reading.

The NPP was great. Definitely agreed with me. I started at 200mg/week to be safe but jumped to 300 after 2 weeks. If I did it again I'd just start at 300 now that I know how my body can handle it with no issues.

I had major boost in performance the day after I pinned my first shot of NPP. It made no sense but the jump in weight and reps was huge and unexplainable elsewhere. I didn't expect it to start working for atleast a week so I can't see it being placebo.

I chose NPP over Deca cuz Deca takes 6 weeks to reach saturation and I was adding NPP on the back half of my cycle and didn't have time to wait like that.

I'm definitely down to run it again in the future.

One sad part was I didn't notice and improved joint lubrication like a lot of people get. I have really bad knees and hoped I'd get a little bit of relief but no such luck.
 
Lol damn that a lot of reading.

Works good in ten-page lots, it's good shit bro. I listened to your audio interview too. I was inspired.
 
Works good in ten-page lots, it's good shit bro. I listened to your audio interview too. I was inspired.
Thanks bro. We didn't really delve to deep into my personal background cuz we had to stay on topic but hopefully it's helpful to all the new guys like myself. Doing my best to give back to the EVO fam cuz I've been given so much.
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.
3 days off is a good thing like a clean deload :D @BeMe
Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.
Good training you pushing it hard!
Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.
You get bad dreams from Valerian root, really? :D you need one of them Sex dreams forget this fight lol
N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.
WOW! n2guard touchdown looks amazing, big win love the look of it, hardcore and it's going to be a good cycle upcoming!
 
You get bad dreams from Valerian root, really? :D you need one of them Sex dreams forget this fight lol

Anytime I get one I'm pretty happy but that's once a year. I don't dream all that much but the Valerian root lit my brain up. My sleep metrics looked crazy.

I always have dreams about fighting to survive some sort of crazyness. Could be apocalyptic times, gang fight, zombies, mass murder like Jason from Friday the 13th. Not sure what that says about me but that's usually how I dream lol. Thankfully I don't dream much at all.
 
Well the Canadian pharma system has finally officially fucked me. This testosterone shortage has been going for a year now and it was only matter if time til my prescription didn't show up in time. Today's that day.

Thankfully I saw this coming and bought a bottle of Nordic Fusion cyp a couple months ago so I'm safe. Thank God for @Fusion Canada
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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n2guard will make a huge difference. you will notice it for sure. it makes everything go better @BeMe
 
n2guard will make a huge difference. you will notice it for sure. it makes everything go better @BeMe
I'm gonna run Tren so time to pull out the big guns.

Is there any other cycle support specific to Tren that I should load up on?

I know you said to have easy carbs sources ready at all times on the podcast.
 
Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep.

I have some experience with this stuff man. Took it nightly for fifteen years but they made me stop when I started on the methadone program because it can be liver toxic like methadone.

I atcually grew it myself for a couple of years and had it in every form, mostly making tea from grinds, but also extracts and pills.

What's going on with it bro? How long have you been taking it?
 
I have some experience with this stuff man. Took it nightly for fifteen years but they made me stop when I started on the methadone program because it can be liver toxic like methadone.

I atcually grew it myself for a couple of years and had it in every form, mostly making tea from grinds, but also extracts and pills.

What's going on with it bro? How long have you been taking it?
I just took 3 soft gels 1200mg before bed per the instructions on the label. My brain just doesn't agree with it. Had crazy dreams all night long, even after I woke up to piss and my sleep metrics are wacky. Almost no rem sleep, heart rate all over the place, and sleep stress was high. Even the next night my sleep quality was down, no crazy dreams though, as far as I remember anyway lol.

Something about my brain chemistry does not agree with Valerian root.
 
Is your alias a 4chan reference per chance?
I just took 3 soft gels 1200mg before bed per the instructions on the label. My brain just doesn't agree with it. Had crazy dreams all night long, even after I woke up to piss and my sleep metrics are wacky. Almost no rem sleep, heart rate all over the place, and sleep stress was high. Even the next night my sleep quality was down, no crazy dreams though, as far as I remember anyway lol.

Something about my brain chemistry does not agree with Valerian root.

Yeah bro, flag it. I was shocked to learn about the liver toxicity, tons of people at the methadone clinic have Hepatitis B and atcually get badly hurt by valerian root.. it's crazy shit and so not worth it.
 
I'm gonna run Tren so time to pull out the big guns.

Is there any other cycle support specific to Tren that I should load up on?

I know you said to have easy carbs sources ready at all times on the podcast.
i would keep super cool and hydrate a lot. tren will cause a lot of inflammation and heat in the body so stay ahead of that.
 
Is your alias a 4chan reference per chance?


Yeah bro, flag it. I was shocked to learn about the liver toxicity, tons of people at the methadone clinic have Hepatitis B and atcually get badly hurt by valerian root.. it's crazy shit and so not worth it.
Lol naw I was never on 4chan. This is actually the first forum I've used in over 20 years.


It's just my initials for my name and a reminder to just try and be myself. Don't compare myself to the bigger guys and try to be something I'm not.
 
i would keep super cool and hydrate a lot. tren will cause a lot of inflammation and heat in the body so stay ahead of that.
Got it.

I'm running it though the winter to avoid overheating all the time at work. Staying hydrated shouldn't be a problem for me. I always have water on hand and I drink a lot of it.
 
Lol naw I was never on 4chan. This is actually the first forum I've used in over 20 years.


It's just my initials for my name and a reminder to just try and be myself. Don't compare myself to the bigger guys and try to be something I'm not.

Pretty sweet initials! Mine are JAM.
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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no doubt valerian root can cause weird dreams and sleep. a lot of times these herbals do more harm then good. @BeMe its much cleaner to sleep without any sleep aids
 
Got it.

I'm running it though the winter to avoid overheating all the time at work. Staying hydrated shouldn't be a problem for me. I always have water on hand and I drink a lot of it.
yeah i find with tren i can never hydrate on it deep into cycle which is the most annoying part of using it. plus just feeling like you have a fever all the time, because it is so damn inflammatory. i talked about that on the podcast a lot the way it hits that PGF2A in the body and that is part of the magic of tren and why guys like bodymonster can't get enough of it

its one that everyone should try atleast once if they are serious as you are. you will love it the first 3-4 weeks, then hate it the next few weeks
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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bros nice touchdown on n2guard. i been using it for a long time too. great with tren you will notice difference @BeMe
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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bro you making me wait till winter to see you on tren? you gonna turn into a real man in front of my eyes. can't wait to see it @BeMe my advice is find a good amount of lot lizards
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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Damn u hella stocked up 💪
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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I've been using n2guard since way back in the day . i'm talking late 2000's when Nate first brought it to market. its pretty close to the same profile but they improved it @BeMe
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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i gotta agree with not overdoing it on the valerian root. use it sparingly or at a lower dose. there is such thing as too much issues @BeMe
 
yeah i find with tren i can never hydrate on it deep into cycle which is the most annoying part of using it. plus just feeling like you have a fever all the time, because it is so damn inflammatory.

Damn that doesn't sound pleasant. Kinda sounds like how sniffing glue feels an hour after.
 
Lol damn that a lot of reading.

The NPP was great. Definitely agreed with me. I started at 200mg/week to be safe but jumped to 300 after 2 weeks. If I did it again I'd just start at 300 now that I know how my body can handle it with no issues.

I had major boost in performance the day after I pinned my first shot of NPP. It made no sense but the jump in weight and reps was huge and unexplainable elsewhere. I didn't expect it to start working for atleast a week so I can't see it being placebo.

I chose NPP over Deca cuz Deca takes 6 weeks to reach saturation and I was adding NPP on the back half of my cycle and didn't have time to wait like that.

I'm definitely down to run it again in the future.

One sad part was I didn't notice and improved joint lubrication like a lot of people get. I have really bad knees and hoped I'd get a little bit of relief but no such luck.

@BeMe NPP is going to be my choice for this winter if I don't get much acne or gyno side effects. At my bodyweight I won't need to push the dose too high. Did you notice any change in your mental behavior? I guess it's very dependent on each individual but NPP seems to cause deteriorating mental stability for people with a few loose screws like myself. 😂
 
its not. and the hypo symptoms are miserable

I quit vaping recently and the most obvious change is I'm not thirsty as much anymore.

I used to drink 5L a day on the dot. My water bottle is 5L and I did one a day at least.

Trying to replace them with non-estrogenic glass bottles and maybe try set a reminder about water
 
Log Day 145

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Back at it again. Can't remember the last time I went 3 days in a row without training. Probably over 3 years ago.

Training was really strong. Starting my 0Rir week and loving it. Still no drop off from coming off cycle.

Sleep was a bit messed up last night. That valerian root may be to blame again. Crazy dreams again. Hopefully tonight it will be outta my system and I'll go back to my normal boring dreamless sleep. I only dream about fighting for my life lol. Rarely do I ever get a good sex dream.

N2BM touchdown today. I think I'm all stocked up and ready for my Tren cycle in the winter. If anyone recommends any other ancillaries I'm all ears.

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@BeMe beautiful N2guard right here!
 
bro you making me wait till winter to see you on tren? you gonna turn into a real man in front of my eyes. can't wait to see it @BeMe my advice is find a good amount of lot lizards

Do you have to do it in that order or can you catch lizards without tren?
 
i gotta agree with not overdoing it on the valerian root. use it sparingly or at a lower dose. there is such thing as too much issues @BeMe
Yes I can see how it helps get people to sleep. I knocked out hard. If I ever get insomnia issues I got a bottle ready to go. Like you said, a lower dose next time for sure.
 
@BeMe NPP is going to be my choice for this winter if I don't get much acne or gyno side effects. At my bodyweight I won't need to push the dose too high. Did you notice any change in your mental behavior? I guess it's very dependent on each individual but NPP seems to cause deteriorating mental stability for people with a few loose screws like myself. 😂
Naw no real change at all. I did feel like the Primo gave me a much better overall sense of well being and almost made me more empathetic, which Iike. I'm always striving to be less pessimistic and more understanding of people and then troubles they're going through.

Didn't feel any mental changes on the NPP at all at 300mg per week. It did flare up some decent bacne tho.

Overall I was very happy with the experience and I would consider running it higher next time around.
 
I quit vaping recently and the most obvious change is I'm not thirsty as much anymore.

I used to drink 5L a day on the dot. My water bottle is 5L and I did one a day at least.

Trying to replace them with non-estrogenic glass bottles and maybe try set a reminder about water
I never realized vaping makes you thirsty. Maybe that's why I drink so much all the time. I'm good for 6 or 7 liters of water a day and about a liter of black coffee.
 
Yes I can see how it helps get people to sleep. I knocked out hard. If I ever get insomnia issues I got a bottle ready to go. Like you said, a lower dose next time for sure.

In my experiments with it, it doesn't seem to work very well as an on-demand sleeping pill and for me at least I need two weeks of nightly use before it starts to work.

Once I've done that I can have triple-doses occasionally and get a sleeping pill effect but if I haven't had it lately and had thar dose it wouldn't work. Definitely not worth the liver toxicity. If I knew that I wouldn't have taken it at all.

There's an over the counter antihistamine that if only used occasionally works well as a sleeping pill called doxylamine. If you say you you're a shift worker and have just been put on nights and can't adjust and you've used it before they should just hand it over.
 
no doubt valerian root can cause weird dreams and sleep. a lot of times these herbals do more harm then good. @BeMe its much cleaner to sleep without any sleep aids
Ya if it ain't broke don't fix it. I sleep pretty well as it is. Just thought it might improve things but not for me. Lesson learned.
 
bro you making me wait till winter to see you on tren? you gonna turn into a real man in front of my eyes. can't wait to see it @BeMe my advice is find a good amount of lot lizards
I'm good bro..got a good wife who's just as ready to go as me lol. Plus she's Vietnamese and they're known for cutting their husbands dicks off in their sleep...
 
I never realized vaping makes you thirsty. Maybe that's why I drink so much all the time. I'm good for 6 or 7 liters of water a day and about a liter of black coffee.

Do you vape? I have some advice to share if so
 
In my experiments with it, it doesn't seem to work very well as an on-demand sleeping pill and for me at least I need two weeks of nightly use before it starts to work.

Once I've done that I can have triple-doses occasionally and get a sleeping pill effect but if I haven't had it lately and had thar dose it wouldn't work. Definitely not worth the liver toxicity. If I knew that I wouldn't have taken it at all.

There's an over the counter antihistamine that if only used occasionally works well as a sleeping pill called doxylamine. If you say you you're a shift worker and have just been put on nights and can't adjust and you've used it before they should just hand it over.
Interesting...good to know. Usually that OTC stuff is dog shit. When I was going through withdrawals I had the worst insomnia so I got this shit called sleepeze I think it was called. I took 2 like it said, nothing, then another 2, then another 4. I ended up eating like 20 of them and still not even the tiniest bit sleepy lol. Just constant k holes for a couple weeks and almost no real sleep. I did beat the withdrawals tho.
 
Do you vape? I have some advice to share if so
Yea I've been vaping for 6 years now since I quit smoking. I'm trying to cut down on the vaping and supplement with nic pouches. I really gotta get off nicotine but I've been on that train for 26 years now. I only quit smoking cuz I realized I had been smoking for 2 decades when I turned 35 and knew I had to stop
 
Log Day 146

Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH

Switched from enanthate back to cypionate yesterday, not by choice. My pharma test hasn't arrived so I had to dip into the Nordic Fusion cyp I've been saving for a rainy day.

Arm day was great yesterday. Added weight and kept my reps up. 0Rir week so balls to the wall, my favorite week to training. Give it all I got this week and recover on my deload next week.

One month since I started my taper and my bodyweight and performance are still hanging on. I look like I'm holding less water now and starting to look fairly lean on the regular again. Very happy with the way things are shaping up so far post cycle.

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@BeMe NPP is going to be my choice for this winter if I don't get much acne or gyno side effects. At my bodyweight I won't need to push the dose too high. Did you notice any change in your mental behavior? I guess it's very dependent on each individual but NPP seems to cause deteriorating mental stability for people with a few loose screws like myself. 😂
I got some depression from NPP. You can counteract it with nootropics sometimes. I like nandrolone because it chills you out.
 
Naw no real change at all. I did feel like the Primo gave me a much better overall sense of well being and almost made me more empathetic, which Iike. I'm always striving to be less pessimistic and more understanding of people and then troubles they're going through.

Didn't feel any mental changes on the NPP at all at 300mg per week. It did flare up some decent bacne tho.

Overall I was very happy with the experience and I would consider running it higher next time around.

@BeMe interesting aspect from the primo. And crap, back acne on NPP :( That was my fear. I got a bad recent experience with masteron and have an appointment with an online doc Saturday to hopefully get it under control. I don't want to get to the point that I need accutane. It does not go away on its own. It's all dose dependant but I will have to use weekly titration. Good thing is NPP has shorter half life so if things get under control, always easier to step away from it.
 
I got some depression from NPP. You can counteract it with nootropics sometimes. I like nandrolone because it chills you out.

@toddthelineman thanks for the feedback. Definitely things to be aware of with this compound. I'll be careful and I'm so responsive to everything, I won't need too much of it.
 
Yea I've been vaping for 6 years now since I quit smoking. I'm trying to cut down on the vaping and supplement with nic pouches. I really gotta get off nicotine but I've been on that train for 26 years now. I only quit smoking cuz I realized I had been smoking for 2 decades when I turned 35 and knew I had to stop

Yeah bro that's very similar to me. Started experimenting 13 - 15 and then I moved out of home and working full time so at 15 is when I started smoking every day, and that rapidly escalated to where I chain smoked and go through 30g every two days, maybe 80 fags a day but hard to say, doesn't matter anyway.

I had stains on both fingers and the stop of my thumb. Tried to hide it all the time coz girls are unlikely to let me put those inside them.

I switched to vaping 4ish years ago I think, but have been into them since 2008 when I used them on long haul flights.

But I was even worse with the vape coz I could vape in my office or everywhere I was so I miserly had it in my hand 24/7. Sometimes half way through a shower if reach my arm out and dry one hand so I could have a couple of rips on my vape mid-shower.

Nicotine is not what causes cancer. It's fairly benign like caffeine in a certain dose range and route of administration.

It just happens that most people get Nicotine by burning tobacco leaves and inhaling the smoke, getting all the crazy awful shit in it.

Dorian Yates talks a lot about Rick Simpson Oil, it's a full-plant cannibis extract that cancer patients use.

Kinda tricky and expensive that's why mostly only cancer patients do it, but in those interviews where he's elaborating on his daily cannabis use and RSO he explains why smoking tobacco damages your lungs but smoking cannibis doesn't do the same thing.

It was eye-opening to me, I think the fact I always smoked both things atcually saved me, I have a square uncle who dsmoked half the amount of cigs I did but not cannabis and he died of lung cancer.

I'm on week 9 of NRT, patches and lozenges. Joined thr governments six month program and I feel great. Never thought I'd be able to quit vaping and I never wanted to nor tried prior to this.

I'm going to write a vaping and quit vaping guide for the forum because there's a lot of background theory and making juice can be technically challenging but unflavoured juice

You've probably heads about popcorn lung, that's a good example, a problem introduced by the flavouring not the VG or Nicotine.

They are just the same artificial flavourings used in food and beverages, exactly the same. There's only a handful of manufacturers on the world, similar to Batteries, because they each require industrial sized chemical plants to produce, and to do that for EVERY flavor it starts getting insane.

I think it's awful how they push disposable vape devices and flavored juice. Vapes are for people to quit smoking not for kids trying to eat candy differently. We never smoked cigarettes for the taste, why is it being pushed here? We're drug addicts not wine connoisseurs.

Without flavor there's not much to it, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine and synthetic nicotine. VG has a natural sweetness to it but this all basically tastes like nothing and is very easy to get used to.

You can also make this for very little... I'm talking $50 for a litre type cheap. Just getting rid of the flavours and vaping just PG/VG&Nic will improve your health and increase your lung capacity and you'll have more roid money =)

Happy to write out instructions on how to DIY juice if it'd help. Sorry to ramble, I'm planning on writing this out in a more succinct fashion and making a guide/thread.
 
@BeMe interesting aspect from the primo. And crap, back acne on NPP :( That was my fear. I got a bad recent experience with masteron and have an appointment with an online doc Saturday to hopefully get it under control. I don't want to get to the point that I need accutane. It does not go away on its own. It's all dose dependant but I will have to use weekly titration. Good thing is NPP has shorter half life so if things get under control, always easier to step away from it.
Yea fast in fast out so not to worry.

If you start dealing with any sort of mental stuff and you wanna talk you can always DM me and we could even talk over the phone if you want. Don't hesitate if it gets rough
 
Yeah bro that's very similar to me. Started experimenting 13 - 15 and then I moved out of home and working full time so at 15 is when I started smoking every day, and that rapidly escalated to where I chain smoked and go through 30g every two days, maybe 80 fags a day but hard to say, doesn't matter anyway.

I had stains on both fingers and the stop of my thumb. Tried to hide it all the time coz girls are unlikely to let me put those inside them.

I switched to vaping 4ish years ago I think, but have been into them since 2008 when I used them on long haul flights.

But I was even worse with the vape coz I could vape in my office or everywhere I was so I miserly had it in my hand 24/7. Sometimes half way through a shower if reach my arm out and dry one hand so I could have a couple of rips on my vape mid-shower.

Nicotine is not what causes cancer. It's fairly benign like caffeine in a certain dose range and route of administration.

It just happens that most people get Nicotine by burning tobacco leaves and inhaling the smoke, getting all the crazy awful shit in it.

Dorian Yates talks a lot about Rick Simpson Oil, it's a full-plant cannibis extract that cancer patients use.

Kinda tricky and expensive that's why mostly only cancer patients do it, but in those interviews where he's elaborating on his daily cannabis use and RSO he explains why smoking tobacco damages your lungs but smoking cannibis doesn't do the same thing.

It was eye-opening to me, I think the fact I always smoked both things atcually saved me, I have a square uncle who dsmoked half the amount of cigs I did but not cannabis and he died of lung cancer.

I'm on week 9 of NRT, patches and lozenges. Joined thr governments six month program and I feel great. Never thought I'd be able to quit vaping and I never wanted to nor tried prior to this.

I'm going to write a vaping and quit vaping guide for the forum because there's a lot of background theory and making juice can be technically challenging but unflavoured juice

You've probably heads about popcorn lung, that's a good example, a problem introduced by the flavouring not the VG or Nicotine.

They are just the same artificial flavourings used in food and beverages, exactly the same. There's only a handful of manufacturers on the world, similar to Batteries, because they each require industrial sized chemical plants to produce, and to do that for EVERY flavor it starts getting insane.

I think it's awful how they push disposable vape devices and flavored juice. Vapes are for people to quit smoking not for kids trying to eat candy differently. We never smoked cigarettes for the taste, why is it being pushed here? We're drug addicts not wine connoisseurs.

Without flavor there's not much to it, propylene glycol, vegetable glycerine and synthetic nicotine. VG has a natural sweetness to it but this all basically tastes like nothing and is very easy to get used to.

You can also make this for very little... I'm talking $50 for a litre type cheap. Just getting rid of the flavours and vaping just PG/VG&Nic will improve your health and increase your lung capacity and you'll have more roid money =)

Happy to write out instructions on how to DIY juice if it'd help. Sorry to ramble, I'm planning on writing this out in a more succinct fashion and making a guide/thread.
No worries bro. I'm pretty familiar with all that stuff. Like you I was into vaping since the beginning. Had tons of box mods, sub ohm tanks, drippers, made my own juice, built my own coils all that lol. Yea I think it's called diacetyl what causes the popcorn lung. They banned that here in Canada a very long time ago.

Vaping is seriously regulated over here, and we pay a shit ton in taxes to vape.

Gonna use the zyns to try and get off vaping tho. Then we'll see how long I'm stuck on those things lol. I love nicotine so I'm fine with this stuff as long as there's no other health issues popping up.
 
No worries bro. I'm pretty familiar with all that stuff. Like you I was into vaping since the beginning. Had tons of box mods, sub ohm tanks, drippers, made my own juice, built my own coils all that lol. Yea I think it's called diacetyl what causes the popcorn lung. They banned that here in Canada a very long time ago.

Sweet man! Me too. It's soo cool, I'm really upset at what happened with it. The DIY scene and mom-n-pop stores back in the day we're great, and even the Chinese clone makers like Fast Tech were an important part of the whole scene.

Now theres zero of that left. There is a vape store on every street and corner in NZ, no exaggeration, and you cant even buy wire or cotton at any of them, and certainly not VG and concentrated nicotine, it really sucks. The government banned single use devices but the tobacco companies have already found a loophole.

I have a few nice mechanical tunes and box mods. I made a box mod myself ten years ago, it was called the Trachea Trunchon, Fasttech didn't clone it =/

I still have done nice mods & attys. Got a copper Kenedy Vindicator & copper Kenedy 25mm atty, a Hammer of God v4 with a Buddah v3 28mm Atty on it, few things like that.

Do you want them? I don't know anyone local to pass them on to.

ing is seriously regulated over here, and we pay a shit ton in taxes to vape.
Gonna use the zyns to try and get off vaping tho. Then we'll see how long I'm stuck on those things lol. I love nicotine so I'm fine with this stuff as long as there's no other health issues popping up.

Sweet man I think too can make that work. It's atcually kinda interesting taking nicotine in these different ways, even the patches are kinda nice once you adapt.
 
Sweet man! Me too. It's soo cool, I'm really upset at what happened with it. The DIY scene and mom-n-pop stores back in the day we're great, and even the Chinese clone makers like Fast Tech were an important part of the whole scene.

Now theres zero of that left. There is a vape store on every street and corner in NZ, no exaggeration, and you cant even buy wire or cotton at any of them, and certainly not VG and concentrated nicotine, it really sucks. The government banned single use devices but the tobacco companies have already found a loophole.

I have a few nice mechanical tunes and box mods. I made a box mod myself ten years ago, it was called the Trachea Trunchon, Fasttech didn't clone it =/

I still have done nice mods & attys. Got a copper Kenedy Vindicator & copper Kenedy 25mm atty, a Hammer of God v4 with a Buddah v3 28mm Atty on it, few things like that.

Do you want them? I don't know anyone local to pass them on to.

ing is seriously regulated over here, and we pay a shit ton in taxes to vape.


Sweet man I think too can make that work. It's atcually kinda interesting taking nicotine in these different ways, even the patches are kinda nice once you adapt.
Like you I have a ton of shit just sitting in my office. I threw out a bunch but still have some cuz I had a display stand for my sub ohm tanks lol.

I have a lot of uwell and geek vape stuff.

Did your government limit the nicotine levels too? 20mg is the max we can get here. You can even buy straight nic salt legally in higher concentrations lol.

You guys are one of the few countries that's a bigger nanny state than ours. Atleast Jacinda resigned in shame lol. Kinda like our last great leader Trudeau
 
Like you I have a ton of shit just sitting in my office. I threw out a bunch but still have some cuz I had a display stand for my sub ohm tanks lol.

I have a lot of uwell and geek vape stuff.

Did your government limit the nicotine levels too? 20mg is the max we can get here. You can even buy straight nic salt legally in higher concentrations lol.

Yup! I was sub-ohm'ing nic salts to make up for it at the end.

This is why they want the stigma and misconceptions about nicotine to continue, if everyone thinks nicotine is super dangerous then they can make rules like 20mg maximum strength and people will think the government is just saving us from ourselves.

What they're atcually doing is making vaping ineffective as a tool to quit smoking cigarettes.

Even 50mg is not quite as much as a cigarette. But 20mg you've got no shot. I would not have beem able to switch to vaping on 20mg juice.

So now Phillip Morris has got their customers back, so the government can get their tax rolling in again, and the user now has a taste for low strength flavored vapes too, for desert after their cigarette. Phillip Morris owns the vapes too, so they get twice as much product sold and the government gets twice as much tax.

You guys are one of the few countries that's a bigger nanny state than ours. Atleast Jacinda resigned in shame lol. Kinda like our last great leader Trudeau

True! I hate them all. Atcually Jacinda would make a pretty decent weapon against Trudeau.

You could grab her by the ankles and do a couple of 360's to get some momentum going then either fling her at him or whack him in the head with her. God damn lizard people.
 
Anytime I get one I'm pretty happy but that's once a year. I don't dream all that much but the Valerian root lit my brain up. My sleep metrics looked crazy.

I always have dreams about fighting to survive some sort of crazyness. Could be apocalyptic times, gang fight, zombies, mass murder like Jason from Friday the 13th. Not sure what that says about me but that's usually how I dream lol. Thankfully I don't dream much at all.
You watching crazy movies before bed or video games? lol :P
Well the Canadian pharma system has finally officially fucked me. This testosterone shortage has been going for a year now and it was only matter if time til my prescription didn't show up in time. Today's that day.

Thankfully I saw this coming and bought a bottle of Nordic Fusion cyp a couple months ago so I'm safe. Thank God for @Fusion Canada
Testosterone shortage in actual pharmacies, you serious? @BeMe
is this what they told you?
I'm gonna run Tren so time to pull out the big guns.

Is there any other cycle support specific to Tren that I should load up on?

I know you said to have easy carbs sources ready at all times on the podcast.
N2guard is important and you have it, but I suggest low dose cardarine as well 5-10mgs/day, can you get it from a domestic Canadian? I think @Fusion Canada has all sarms cardarine and more. Add electrolytes or balance what you have and taurine ed is a must.
 
I quit vaping recently and the most obvious change is I'm not thirsty as much anymore.

I used to drink 5L a day on the dot. My water bottle is 5L and I did one a day at least.

Trying to replace them with non-estrogenic glass bottles and maybe try set a reminder about water
wow that is great man. vaping is so awful. people who do that shit thinks its harmless, which makes it even more dangerous
 
Like waking up and eating pancakes in a cold shower bad?? Lol
yes. have your quick carbs ready.

and i'm glad you all love my weird stories lol. mobster is always asking me to repeat them cause he enjoys them too. i feel sort of weird being a story teller
 
You watching crazy movies before bed or video games? lol :P
Not even. Just have a crazy imagination I guess lol. Or just crazy
Testosterone shortage in actual pharmacies, you serious? @BeMe
is this what they told you?
Ya bro remember I told you the rumour up here is it's being diverted for trans people. Our government covers the costs of their surgeries and therapies. They get priority.

There's been a shortage for over a year now. The little that comes in gets rationed out 1 vial at a time.... ridiculous.
 
wow that is great man. vaping is so awful. people who do that shit thinks its harmless, which makes it even more dangerous

Yeah man and the tobacco companies and our governments are lying, misleading and destroying the environment and ruining people's health, influencing teenagers and all sorts of shit I can't believe.

In Australia and now NZ there's atcual USA style lobbyists for the tobacco industry buying off politicians and it's working.

In Indonesia they literally sell (or give away) cigarettes to children. It's truely evil and I want to help burn them down if I can.
 
Yeah man and the tobacco companies and our governments are lying, misleading and destroying the environment and ruining people's health, influencing teenagers and all sorts of shit I can't believe.

In Australia and now NZ there's atcual USA style lobbyists for the tobacco industry buying off politicians and it's working.

In Indonesia they literally sell (or give away) cigarettes to children. It's truely evil and I want to help burn them down if I can.
Well they lost a few billion on Juul and that's something lol
 
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