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bro it the cleanest sauce you could ask for. sweet tasting
There’s definitely a market for authentic prison improvised weapons. Especially used ones.
bro the best ones come from razor blades and toothbrushes
I spent a weekend in jail like 10 years ago and found my old roommate in there, he was fighting a case and had been there for a while as he had had so many previous convictions that he would be going away for a long time. He taught himself slight of hand magic while he was in there and he kept stealing the guard’s pens and things. They knew it was him, but they could never find them, and after they searched him he’d flash it at everyone and the pod would erupt in laughter and they’d search him again but never ever find it. He was so big from juicing and eating everyone’s food that he wore 5xl jail shirts. I wonder where he’s at now? I bet he’d like a letter and some pictures
bro sound like he was hiding them in his anus. i used to hide the tren vials in there no problems. you enjoy shower time while in the clink?
But like, how did he get it in and out of his anus so… secretly? I think when they searched him he hid it in THEIR anus. And then pulled it back out when they were done. It’s the only way. I’ve spent a lot of time thinking about this
bro try it tonight. practice make perfect
They got SO MAD. They actually locked down the whole pod. No books no tv nothing. But they never got their pens back. And if they looked in his Bible they would have found all the notes he kept, written in pen
bros you losing business if you too fat. how you gonna get into walls when there a leak or into an attic ?
I think CBD is all positive but I have still always been curious if it's hurting my gains by blunting the inflammatory response of training which leads to muscle building. I am a bit curious to see if I notice any physical changes in my body over a month being off the CBD.
Sleep was back to normal last night. I think something was just weird about my tracking that 1 night. It was a massive outlier when I look back over time. Maybe my strap slipped onto a weird spot of my wrist or something.
Slight of anus
How do u like eod frequency? Been reading alot on how it can prevent crashes and yoyo effects by doing ed or eod small more shallow im injections
I can't say I feel any difference hormonally, but I'm not experiencing any negative sides from cruising at this higher dose currently. I guess that's something.
The biggest difference is pinning with the 29g 1/2" slin pins. Goes a lot smoother and feels like they do a lot less damage.
When I hop on Tren ace in November I'm gonna switch to ED and pin the test and then together. That's when the ED slin pins will make the biggest difference for sure.
I purposely didnt mention the 29g 1/2 slin pins because i wanted to see if you were doing it correctly, happy seeing you are.
I also thought about doing the shallow im with the slin pin see if it works better and way less damage overall, has be curious about messing around with ed or eod small more frequent injections
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CBD won’t kill your gains, maybe it blunts soreness a touch but nothing that’s going to stop muscle growth, so a month off will just show you if recovery or sleep feels different. Good to hear sleep bounced back, sounds like that one night was just a bad read from the strap more than anything. If you’re feeling rested then the data glitch doesn’t matter. @BeMe
Though I don't really see a need for CBD time off, it does explain your crazy dreams.
You should give it a go. It's just feels a lot better and the only down side it's a tiny bit of a hassle loading the shot.
The CBD leads to crazy dreams?
I have been dreaming again but just normal dreams since stopping CBD. I don't remember them most of the time but I do remember dreaming. The memory of the dream just sorts slips away as I wake up.
Log Day 162
Sorry for the late night update, I was at my brother in-laws wedding. Pretty crazy party with a lot of old school Vietnamese gangsters going hard. I stayed strong, are well, and didn't drink. The not drinking was really tough cuz all these guys were trying to feed me drinks and every table had a bottle of Hennessy VSOP and Glenlivet 18 year at all times. The Glenlivet was verrrry tempting, but I stayed strong.
I didn't forget the EVO fam. Took pics of the food just cuz there was some interesting stuff.
Yesterday was another strong arm day. My wrists are giving me a bit of trouble, mainly my left wrist. I think I strained them at work and for 5 days now it hasn't gotten better and just got a bit worse. Back on the BPC 157.
Had to drop the Arnold straight bar curls and switch to easy bar to save my wrists. It might have been a bit of an off day but my strength was a little bit down. Hopefully it was just an off day and my strength isn't starting to slump post cycle.
Sorry for the late night update, I was at my brother in-laws wedding. Pretty crazy party with a lot of old school Vietnamese gangsters going hard. I stayed strong, are well, and didn't drink. The not drinking was really tough cuz all these guys were trying to feed me drinks and every table had a bottle of Hennessy VSOP and Glenlivet 18 year at all times. The Glenlivet was verrrry tempting, but I stayed strong.
I didn't forget the EVO fam. Took pics of the food just cuz there was some interesting stuff.
Yesterday was another strong arm day. My wrists are giving me a bit of trouble, mainly my left wrist. I think I strained them at work and for 5 days now it hasn't gotten better and just got a bit worse. Back on the BPC 157.
Had to drop the Arnold straight bar curls and switch to easy bar to save my wrists. It might have been a bit of an off day but my strength was a little bit down. Hopefully it was just an off day and my strength isn't starting to slump post cycle.
Wedding food
Suckling pig with Jellyfish
Garlic King Crab with Vermicelli
Crab and Shrimp soup
Sea Cucumber with Asparagus
Fried Lobster with fries
Ate more of the stuff shown in the pics but you eat off these tiny plates. Skipped a few dishes and desert cuz the macros weren't great.
Suckling pig with Jellyfish
Garlic King Crab with Vermicelli
Crab and Shrimp soup
Sea Cucumber with Asparagus
Fried Lobster with fries
Ate more of the stuff shown in the pics but you eat off these tiny plates. Skipped a few dishes and desert cuz the macros weren't great.
bros yeah they hiring these kids in high school that weight 125lbs
Ya those skinny little kids are good for something atleast lol l. I know you're in Cali so it's definitely different down there. People are generally more health conscious. Up here is say more that 80 percent of the plumbers over 80 are big fat guys. Some really really fat. But the plumbers that are like 30 or 40 there's a lot of jacked dudes. Electricians tend to be a lot of skinnier guys then the guys over 50 tend to be skinny fat.
It's just a bunch of really old injuries all combined. I don't experience pain with it very often so I never really had it checked out. Just walk it off lol. I'm gonna do my best to train it specifically now that I know where the weakness is and see if I can build it up back to normal. I had no idea it was there cuz I've never single legged extensions and I've been making solid progression on extensions over the years. Had no idea my left leg was doing most of the work outta the hole. The quad with my bad knee even a little bit bigger than my good one. No real indicators of this problem except heavy single leg extensions.
Were you able to fix yours?
I'm glad you figured this out. I'm in the same boat. I know we're not supposed to overload one side more than the other but that has been what I'm doing. For example for seated quad raises I'd go to almost failure and then pop the pin up lighter and use only my left leg and push that to failure.
I posted my legs in my log and you can really see a huge difference in one quad vs. the other (see pic below). In the pic looking at it head on my injured leg is the quad on the right in the pic (which is actually my left leg). You can see the size of the other quad being way bulkier than the other with the other having more definition but probably half the size. My knee is so fucked that I don't think I'll ever get that quad built up to match the other and with the left knee being so injured (even after surgery) I favor leaning on my right side when standing and walking which gives my lower back on the left side an ongoing nagging pain.
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The left one looks more defined they the right one. Maybe thats just an angle thing tho.
Ya these old nagging injuries are tough to work around. I have a similar thing with my biceps cuz my right wrist only has 50% range of motion. My left bicep is peaked but the right one isn't, but the right one is a bit bigger lol. Can't supinate my curls properly cuz my bad wrist so no big peak.
Just part of getting older and being all banged up I guess. Hopefully with the extra sets of extensions every week I can slowly get my right leg up to my left leg. If it doesn't show improvement I'll definitely head in for an MRI like you mentioned.
Good for the pocket…it’s all a juggling act to make it all work and fit it all in…when this dedicated to training there is so many things that go into it…
Ya it's full on bro. I fuckn love training. Can't live without it. The main reason I hoped on was to recover faster so I could train more often lol.
Log Day 163
Not a ton to report from yesterday. Had a lot to do to prepare for my brother-in-law's wedding and then I was there all night. Got home later than I would have liked and went to bed way later than I would have liked. But it's family so what are you going to do. Did my best to maintain macros at the wedding and avoid all alcohol successfully.
One important thing to mention is my CBD experiment was a total disaster. I definitely need CBD in my life. Started noticing a very downward trend and my sleep efficiency so I added the CBD back in last night. I have graphs below of my sleep efficiency tracking. The 18th was my first night without CBD. Pretty noticeable decline and didn't need to continue experiment. @LevButlerov was right as always lol
Not a ton to report from yesterday. Had a lot to do to prepare for my brother-in-law's wedding and then I was there all night. Got home later than I would have liked and went to bed way later than I would have liked. But it's family so what are you going to do. Did my best to maintain macros at the wedding and avoid all alcohol successfully.
One important thing to mention is my CBD experiment was a total disaster. I definitely need CBD in my life. Started noticing a very downward trend and my sleep efficiency so I added the CBD back in last night. I have graphs below of my sleep efficiency tracking. The 18th was my first night without CBD. Pretty noticeable decline and didn't need to continue experiment. @LevButlerov was right as always lol
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Yes that lines up, CBD can definitely change sleep cycles and blunt REM so people often report fewer or duller dreams on it. Once you pull it out, REM rebounds and you start noticing normal dreams again, even if the memory fades quick when you wake up. Nothing unusual there, just your sleep patterns resetting.
Good job holding your ground at that wedding, that’s not easy with bottles of Glenlivet and Hennessy on every table. NO alcohol!
Wrist strain makes sense if you’ve been grinding at work plus hitting arms hard, smart move switching to the EZ bar to reduce the stress. BPC 157 should help settle that down so you don’t lose more sessions. One off day on strength isn’t a slump, more likely just the wrist pain interfering, give it a few days and see if it levels out. Wrist pain can be hgh related fyi.
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I love these dishes but cant eat lol
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Solid call ending the CBD experiment early, the sleep data doesn’t lie and if efficiency dropped that fast there’s no need to push it further. Good discipline staying on macros and skipping alcohol at the wedding, that’s where progress is either made or lost long term. Once you get back into your routine with CBD in place and proper rest, training and recovery will feel a lot smoother again.
I found from clients CBD is a real help with sleep, big time. @BeMe
Are you allergic to shellfish? @LevButlerovI love these dishes but cant eat lol
Yeah I hopped on CBD probably 5 or 6 years ago something like that. I initially took it for sleep and we're constant pain in my wrist and knees. Helped a lot. Guess I just needed a reminder lol.Solid call ending the CBD experiment early, the sleep data doesn’t lie and if efficiency dropped that fast there’s no need to push it further. Good discipline staying on macros and skipping alcohol at the wedding, that’s where progress is either made or lost long term. Once you get back into your routine with CBD in place and proper rest, training and recovery will feel a lot smoother again.
I found from clients CBD is a real help with sleep, big time. @BeMe
Thought maybe the GH would help fill the sleep role now but it doesn't seem to help with sleep quality, or just getting to sleep and the recovery after @LevButlerov
Gosh I would think that it does help with sleep quality, but you could be right. Or there could be more variables at play. Like a sliiiiiight dependance on cbd. Cbd does seem very very harmless, and I believe it is, but if you’ve been using it for years I could see your body not adjusting immediately. Did you try cbn yet? If not I think now would be an interesting time to experiment with it.
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CBD definitely has that calming effect that can settle you down at night, especially with joint aches. GH isn’t really going to knock you out or fix sleep onset, it’s more about recovery and tissue repair once you’re already sleeping. If CBD worked for you before, no harm in adding it back in alongside GH, a lot of guys stack both for exactly that reason.
Once I saw my numbers I chickened out and just jumpes right back on CBD last night. Can't sacrifice my sleep quality like this. I did think about the possible dependence issue, and maybe needing to weather the storm and see how it goes over the period of a month... but that graph worried me. Didn't have the heart to continue. I still got to try the CBN. I checked our government website and they do sell it so next time I place a CBD order I'm going to order some CBN with it and give it a shot.
Ya that's definitely the way to go for me. I tried 4 days without CBD and that's enough for me LOL. Hey that rhymes, I'm practically free styling here @LevButlerovCBD definitely has that calming effect that can settle you down at night, especially with joint aches. GH isn’t really going to knock you out or fix sleep onset, it’s more about recovery and tissue repair once you’re already sleeping. If CBD worked for you before, no harm in adding it back in alongside GH, a lot of guys stack both for exactly that reason.
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LOL
4 days off was a good test run but if you already feel the difference then no need to force it. CBD clearly does its job for you so just keep it in and enjoy the better sleep and less aches. @BeMe
@BeMe At the end of the day, as long as it works for you, then stick with it. Some people unfortunately do have to use stuff like CBD. But it's a good thing. It's available for you.
bro you pumping some big weights. i like it. keep up the good work @BeMe
bros i know. back home in alabama everyone super fat.
bros what kind cbd you use? where you get it from? @BeMe it easy to get here in cali, but back home in bama not so much ha
Gotta get ready for the shower @BodyMonster34
Canada is kinda like Cali but to the next level. Out government sells it directly too us through a website. You can go to local dispensaries too but shipping is free and really good. They come between 5-10pm so you're home from work. The CBD I use is called glacial gold and comes right out of British Columbia. Potency 200mg/g
bros dayum. that sound sweet
Not a ton to report from yesterday. Had a lot to do to prepare for my brother-in-law's wedding and then I was there all night. Got home later than I would have liked and went to bed way later than I would have liked. But it's family so what are you going to do. Did my best to maintain macros at the wedding and avoid all alcohol successfully.
Well done. Esp on the last bit
Well done. Esp on the last bit
bro yes if you gonna step into prison shower, better be strong enough to toss dudes all on top of you. even CO's will get in on action
@BeMe Solid job on this training. You're looking really good man. I like how you track your sleep efficiency, that's cool.
This is really good on this. I like how you keep things so organized. Keep improving the sleep and crucial for recovery.@BeMe
@BeMe i'm liking the hardwork you are doing. you are putting it together and pushing yoruself. that is how you imprve
Log Day 164
Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH
Wasn't feeling much like myself yesterday. Almost like back in the low T days. Just kinda lacking energy and motivation. Forced myself to get outside and take the dogs on a long walk and get some sunshine. Then I hit the treadmill for some more cardio work. Definitely helped a bit.
Hit my first extra right leg extensions day yesterday. The imbalance is every bad. I'm at 120lbs for 10 easy left leg and right leg I was at 70lbs for 12 first set. Did 3 sets, really focusing on getting outta the hole where the weakness is. Hopefully I can build some strength up in that range of the motion and overcome this deficiency.
My knee was in a fair bit of pain after the training, less this morning, and it feels fine now.
Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH
Wasn't feeling much like myself yesterday. Almost like back in the low T days. Just kinda lacking energy and motivation. Forced myself to get outside and take the dogs on a long walk and get some sunshine. Then I hit the treadmill for some more cardio work. Definitely helped a bit.
Hit my first extra right leg extensions day yesterday. The imbalance is every bad. I'm at 120lbs for 10 easy left leg and right leg I was at 70lbs for 12 first set. Did 3 sets, really focusing on getting outta the hole where the weakness is. Hopefully I can build some strength up in that range of the motion and overcome this deficiency.
My knee was in a fair bit of pain after the training, less this morning, and it feels fine now.
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Dose looks steady with test and GH, but I get what you mean on the low energy days, good move forcing the walk and treadmill because that sunshine and cardio always help clear it up. The leg imbalance is tough but smart to add in those extra single leg sets and really drive the weak side, even if it means lighter loads. Knee pain easing by the next morning shows you didn’t overdo it, so just keep building that range and the strength will catch up.
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Ya it's a good news bad news thing. The bad news is really bad tho @LevButlerovDose looks steady with test and GH, but I get what you mean on the low energy days, good move forcing the walk and treadmill because that sunshine and cardio always help clear it up. The leg imbalance is tough but smart to add in those extra single leg sets and really drive the weak side, even if it means lighter loads. Knee pain easing by the next morning shows you didn’t overdo it, so just keep building that range and the strength will catch up.
For the strength difference to be that big is pretty disheartening. Gonna be a long time til my right leg gets close to my left. More to overcome than I initially expected.
I feel like something is off with my hormones but I don't know what it could be. My test has been stable dosed for like 6 or 7 weeks now. Today I feel a little down too and my knees and elbows are feeling kinda creekier than usual. Just feel like something is off hormonally.
I have bloodwork this Saturday thankfully.
Take like the way you update your log
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It’s rough seeing that much difference in strength side to side, but you’re already putting in the right work to bring it up and that’s what matters. Hormonal dips can definitely make joints feel creaky and mood flat even if test dosing has been steady, so the timing of your bloodwork is perfect. Once you see the results you’ll know if it’s E2, prolactin, or something else dragging you down, then you can dial it back in.
Are you taking glucosamine chondroitin msm? calcium? trace minerals? @BeMe
Yes too all except chondroitin MSM. Never heard of that before. Going to have to read the labels on my multi supps @LevButlerovIt’s rough seeing that much difference in strength side to side, but you’re already putting in the right work to bring it up and that’s what matters. Hormonal dips can definitely make joints feel creaky and mood flat even if test dosing has been steady, so the timing of your bloodwork is perfect. Once you see the results you’ll know if it’s E2, prolactin, or something else dragging you down, then you can dial it back in.
Are you taking glucosamine chondroitin msm? calcium? trace minerals? @BeMe
I did switch from pharma test e to NF test c a few weeks back. Other than that nothing has changed. Im still taking 25mg of Proviron a day for the half life of the NPP. I'm 5 weeks out from my last little taper dose. From full cycle dose I'm 8 weeks out.
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I would add chondroitin and MSM with trace mineral stack, you might feel much better
It’s just because of the fluctuation. You get used to larger doses in your body and they are starting to really exit your system now. It’ll take a couple weeks for your body to normalize, even though you are on enough test to feel great
Yeah I was thinking that might be what it is considering how far off cycle I am. I'm really looking forward to my blood work and seeing exactly what's happening.
Yeah, I’m interested too. Even a drop from 250mg-100mg had me feeling off for a few weeks. So much so that I felt the need to go back up some.
To be fair, that's a pretty huge drop tho right.
My peak test dose was 300 and I'm sitting around 250mg per week. I feel like it's low estrogen maybe, but the bloodwork will tell me what's up. It's good timing that I happened to have bloodwork scheduled this Saturday. I should know by Monday and I'll make adjustments from there.
Log Day 165
Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH
Still not feeling quite myself. Motivation is feeling a little low, joints are still a bit dry. My wrist pain got worse yesterday, but that's my fault. I tried to push through the pain and do my wrist curls and made it worse. Typical lol. Always the meathead.
Today's training I'm going to throw on the wrist wraps for press and cuffs for delt raises. Train around it the smart way.
Even though I'm feeling off in still able to hit the numbers I need to keep progressing. Weight has been very stable at 187.7 for the last 6 days or so.
Hopefully the BPC gets my wrist right quick if I'm smart about protecting it. I'm wearing a brace at work and to sleep tonight. This hormonal issue is something else. Bloodwork this weekend should help get to the bottom of it. Very tempting to pop some Anavar I have for training but I know better lol.
Dose 70mg test EOD, 2iu GH
Still not feeling quite myself. Motivation is feeling a little low, joints are still a bit dry. My wrist pain got worse yesterday, but that's my fault. I tried to push through the pain and do my wrist curls and made it worse. Typical lol. Always the meathead.
Today's training I'm going to throw on the wrist wraps for press and cuffs for delt raises. Train around it the smart way.
Even though I'm feeling off in still able to hit the numbers I need to keep progressing. Weight has been very stable at 187.7 for the last 6 days or so.
Hopefully the BPC gets my wrist right quick if I'm smart about protecting it. I'm wearing a brace at work and to sleep tonight. This hormonal issue is something else. Bloodwork this weekend should help get to the bottom of it. Very tempting to pop some Anavar I have for training but I know better lol.
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Thanks bro. Means a lot coming from yourself.
If you see anything you would improve please don't hesitate to mention it. I'm very open to criticism and always trying to learn as much as I can
I cant use any of that with my new job sadly, probably just use a sleep product or gh, i recently picked up a sleep product from huge supplements and its working excellent 2 days in so far.
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70mg test EOD with 2iu GH is a solid base, you keeping it steady
good that weight has held steady at 187.7 even while motivation feels low.
Wrist wraps and cuffs will let you keep pushing without making the pain worse, smart call using the brace at work and at night too. BPC should speed healing if you actually give it a chance by not aggravating it again.
Bloodwork this weekend will give you real answers, way better than just throwing Anavar in out of frustration.
Adding anavar might dry you out as well.
My suggestion now, 1) drop hgh to 1 IU ed, 2) add 50mgs deca duraboline/week (NPP is ok too), 3) add joint support supps, Glucosamine sulfate 1500mg daily, Chondroitin sulfate 1200mg daily, MSM 2000mg daily, Omega 3 fish oil 3000mg daily, Collagen peptides 10g daily maybe even 20, and more bone broth. @BeMe
The NPP even at 300mg didn't do anything for my joints unfortunately.70mg test EOD with 2iu GH is a solid base, you keeping it steady
good that weight has held steady at 187.7 even while motivation feels low.
Wrist wraps and cuffs will let you keep pushing without making the pain worse, smart call using the brace at work and at night too. BPC should speed healing if you actually give it a chance by not aggravating it again.
Bloodwork this weekend will give you real answers, way better than just throwing Anavar in out of frustration.
Adding anavar might dry you out as well.
My suggestion now, 1) drop hgh to 1 IU ed, 2) add 50mgs deca duraboline/week (NPP is ok too), 3) add joint support supps, Glucosamine sulfate 1500mg daily, Chondroitin sulfate 1200mg daily, MSM 2000mg daily, Omega 3 fish oil 3000mg daily, Collagen peptides 10g daily maybe even 20, and more bone broth. @BeMe
Everything other than the MSM and Chondroitin I take daily in higher amounts than listed lol. Fish oil I take 3x that lol
I'm curious about dropping the GH to 1iu @LevButlerov
What's the reasoning there? I have some IGF1 and IGF1 BP3 testing on Saturday. Wouldn't it be better to stay at my daily dose for the that testing?
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did you try nandrolone decanoate straight deca durabolin? instead of npp @BeMe
Yes I just checked you do way more fish oil! well to start add the msm and chondroitin that's a huge help
See below.
For testing this Saturday you're fine to keep the same dose 2 IUs, but after drop it to 1 IU to see if wrists are fine. Wrist pain and carpal tunnel are common sides from HGH because the growth hormone makes you hold more water in the soft tissue, especially around the joints and nerves. That swelling can compress the median nerve in the wrist which causes numbness, tingling, or pain. Usually it shows up when doses get higher or if you ramp up too quick, and it can ease off if you lower the dose or split injections. Though that doesn't mean it can't happen at low doses, it does.
Just NPP when I was on cycle. No deca
Ya fish oil is really high. I keep glucosamine and collagen pretty high too.Yes I just checked you do way more fish oil! well to start add the msm and chondroitin that's a huge help
For testing this Saturday you're fine to keep the same dose 2 IUs, but after drop it to 1 IU to see if wrists are fine. Wrist pain and carpal tunnel are common sides from HGH because the growth hormone makes you hold more water in the soft tissue, especially around the joints and nerves. That swelling can compress the median nerve in the wrist which causes numbness, tingling, or pain. Usually it shows up when doses get higher or if you ramp up too quick, and it can ease off if you lower the dose or split injections. Though that doesn't mean it can't happen at low doses, it does.
I did consider the possibility of carpal tunnel but my pain is only between the ulna and lunate bones. It's the tendon that runs right across the two that's the problem. Not getting any numbness, just really sharp pain when I move my wrist info extension or carry anything with my wrist extended. I can't even carry a dinner plate without pain right now @LevButlerov
I’ve heard people say that deca is the one that helps joint pain, not npp, but I sure thought npp helped. After I got halfway through my vial of npp (this was one of my first experiments with gear) I felt a little depressed. Not too bad, but you could tell it wasn’t quite normal.
I recently had started deca as I was beginning my log, but then work went crazy and I honestly wasn’t feeling great with the gear. Strange
That's interesting I wonder why the ester would cause a change in the way to supports joints. I was pinning my NPP three times a week too so I should have had a pretty steady level in my blood.
Yeah I've seen that nandrslones can be a serious head fuck for a lot of people. Obviously trend is the worst of them, but people also say they had bad mental experiences with NPP and deca. I actually had the opposite experience where it improved my mood significantly. That's kind of what got me thinking about trying to be honest with you LOL.
The two things I noticed when I was taking NPP was my improved mood and a pretty big strength increase right away. I think nandralones might be for me. Not that the DHTs weren't great too.
I definitely felt that way at first. I never could quite tell if it was the gear, or circumstances in my life. Masteron made me feel really good, but I’m sure I had high e2 when I tried it, and the combination gave me very very bad acne.
And then the acne is bummer. NPP gave me pretty bad acne too. First time in my life I had a break out like that. I was never the pimpley teen.
Fuck bro I'm starting to sympathize with when you said you feel like a human pin cushion. I got to pin my test, then pin my bpc, then my GH...a pin cushion lol
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The ester isn’t what makes the difference on joints, it’s just how long the drug releases. Deca hangs around longer so fluid retention in the joints is steadier and you feel that cushioning, while NPP clears faster so some people don’t get the same relief even if blood levels look fine. Both are still nandrolone so the effect is there, just not as noticeable for everyone on the short ester. If you felt good on it with strength and mood then nandrolone clearly agrees with you. Throwing in 50mgs of deca is a good +TRT test. @BeMe
That's a plus, I'm going back about 30 pages rechecking.
That sounds less like carpal tunnel and more like tendon irritation from the extra water retention, basically inflammation where the tendon slides over those wrist bones. GH can make tendons and connective tissue feel tight or sore because of that swelling, especially under load or extension. It isn’t nerve compression if you’ve got no numbness or tingling, just straight tendon pain aggravated by movement. Dropping the dose should ease that pressure and let the tendon calm down. I would not train upper body for 1 week minimum as we fix this issue.
Na you gotta pin at least like 5-7 things lol
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That's level up
I was similar with mast also, it had no effect at all on e2 inhibition and when e2 was higher, some acne started to show too.
Did feel amazing though lol.
Also fellas congratulations on the level up @BeMe and @toddthelineman
No upper training?? Say it ain't so. I'm gonna just try to keep training around it lol. I can't stop. I've been in this situation before and managed to train through it. I know training is dumb and it's going to prolong my recovery, but I just don't want to miss training. The BPC 157 can do its thing and get me back to normal even through training. I've done it in the past. I know it's dumb but I just can't help myself.The ester isn’t what makes the difference on joints, it’s just how long the drug releases. Deca hangs around longer so fluid retention in the joints is steadier and you feel that cushioning, while NPP clears faster so some people don’t get the same relief even if blood levels look fine. Both are still nandrolone so the effect is there, just not as noticeable for everyone on the short ester. If you felt good on it with strength and mood then nandrolone clearly agrees with you. Throwing in 50mgs of deca is a good +TRT test. @BeMe
That's a plus, I'm going back about 30 pages rechecking.
That sounds less like carpal tunnel and more like tendon irritation from the extra water retention, basically inflammation where the tendon slides over those wrist bones. GH can make tendons and connective tissue feel tight or sore because of that swelling, especially under load or extension. It isn’t nerve compression if you’ve got no numbness or tingling, just straight tendon pain aggravated by movement. Dropping the dose should ease that pressure and let the tendon calm down. I would not train upper body for 1 week minimum as we fix this issue.
Adding the deca to a TRT stack is something I've been reading about a lot. I think post Tren I'm gonna do it.
That is the most YOU answer ever lol
Thanks bro I appreciate it.I was similar with mast also, it had no effect at all on e2 inhibition and when e2 was higher, some acne started to show too.
Did feel amazing though lol.
Also fellas congratulations on the level up @BeMe and @toddthelineman
I got some mast on deck for the spring. Interested to see how it goes for me for the first time. Everyone says so many different things about mast good and bad
I completely understand this haha
Whats your plan with the tren brother? Whats your current cycle?
Currently just cruising on 70mg test eod and 2iu GH. Tren I'm gonna start low in November. 20mg ED. Try that for a couple weeks then add 10 mg. Try that for a couple weeks then add another 10 mg and so on.
What I do and where it goes just solely depends on how my body reacts. I'm running Ace so I should get answers pretty quickly
Solid plan brother, tren definitely is on a different level. When you find your sweet spot it is enjoyable and workouts are crazy good... passing that sweet spot and it was something else
Now i know where its at for myself, looking forward to it again at the end of my cycle
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Give yourself a break
give it time, you'll get back on the horse, you don't want a permanent injury right? @BeMe
@BeMe quality update man keep them coming. Looks like it’s all going well.
@BeMe Great updates man....keep up the good work...........
Lol yea a lot of people say the same. Hopefully I can find the right dose first try. @stevesmi also said the first 4 weeks are amazing and it just starts to go downhill after that lolSolid plan brother, tren definitely is on a different level. When you find your sweet spot it is enjoyable and workouts are crazy good... passing that sweet spot and it was something else
Now i know where its at for myself, looking forward to it again at the end of my cycle
I can't miss an entire week of training though. That would hurt worse than the wrist lol. I'll be good tho and drop anything that can hurt my wrist. Forearms are definitely off the table and I'm going to have to modify or replace a few other movements.Give yourself a break
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Pretty big day of training yesterday. Went really hard and managed to train around the pain in my wrist and not make anything worse.
For the pressing I used my wrist wraps, for the row I used my straps, and for the laterals I threw in a wrist cuff. Seemed to work well except...I tweaked something in my shoulder. Maybe my form was off cuz of the cuff, I duno. I'm getting pain in my shoulder when my arm gets parallel to the joint. Pain is on the interior of the front delt. Hard to tell how bad it is cuz I am dealing with some DOMS from yesterday training. Feels like it's nothing major and should go away in a few days.
Tonight is supposed to be an arm day but with my wrist and shoulder now I'm gonna give it a break tonight. Work was really hard today with a lot of heavy pulling and carries so I feel I earned it lol. Tomorrow will be more of the same at work, so I guess 1 night off can't hurt. I can be sorta smart sometimes lol.
I've dealt with similar if not the same injuries multiple times before and I've always managed to train and work through them. Just need to keep up the BPC 157 and becareful not to make anything worse.
Pretty big day of training yesterday. Went really hard and managed to train around the pain in my wrist and not make anything worse.
For the pressing I used my wrist wraps, for the row I used my straps, and for the laterals I threw in a wrist cuff. Seemed to work well except...I tweaked something in my shoulder. Maybe my form was off cuz of the cuff, I duno. I'm getting pain in my shoulder when my arm gets parallel to the joint. Pain is on the interior of the front delt. Hard to tell how bad it is cuz I am dealing with some DOMS from yesterday training. Feels like it's nothing major and should go away in a few days.
Tonight is supposed to be an arm day but with my wrist and shoulder now I'm gonna give it a break tonight. Work was really hard today with a lot of heavy pulling and carries so I feel I earned it lol. Tomorrow will be more of the same at work, so I guess 1 night off can't hurt. I can be sorta smart sometimes lol.
I've dealt with similar if not the same injuries multiple times before and I've always managed to train and work through them. Just need to keep up the BPC 157 and becareful not to make anything worse.
Yeah by week 8 id had enough but pushed through another 2 weeks, ended up wishing i had of pulled it after the 8
That's funny cuz @stevesmi recommends 8 weeks as well. I'll see how it goes and feel it out. Maybe cuz I'm starting low the first few weeks I'll push it past 8 a bit but it's all gonna be just based off how I'm feeling. It's gonna be a very merry xmas this year on Tren lol. Gonna eat ALL the turkey!Yeah by week 8 id had enough but pushed through another 2 weeks, ended up wishing i had of pulled it after the 8
Hahaha, with running ace you should be able to push it a bit and not worry about it lingering if you pull the pin pardon the pun
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Better to ease up now than push through and make it worse, once that joint gets banged up bad you’re sidelined for real and can’t train at all. One lighter week or swapping in movements that don’t stress it is nothing compared to losing 2 months, so be smart and let it settle while you keep the rest of your training moving.
Good call taking the night off, you already hammered yourself at work and forcing arms with the wrist and front delt barking would just dig the hole deeper. Wraps and straps let you get the session in but if that cuff was tweaking your form it makes sense your shoulder flared up, usually that front delt pain comes from pressing angle changes. Keep running the BPC 157, let things cool down a bit, and you’ll be back moving weight without piling up more nagging stuff.
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Yea that was my thoughts exactly. I'll be logging it the whole way through my bday, xmas, then new years lol. Best time of the year to be on cycle haha.Hahaha, with running ace you should be able to push it a bit and not worry about it lingering if you pull the pin pardon the pun
No work just pure training and progression hahaha
Thanks bro, I'll keep that in mind @LevButlerovBetter to ease up now than push through and make it worse, once that joint gets banged up bad you’re sidelined for real and can’t train at all. One lighter week or swapping in movements that don’t stress it is nothing compared to losing 2 months, so be smart and let it settle while you keep the rest of your training moving.
Good call taking the night off, you already hammered yourself at work and forcing arms with the wrist and front delt barking would just dig the hole deeper. Wraps and straps let you get the session in but if that cuff was tweaking your form it makes sense your shoulder flared up, usually that front delt pain comes from pressing angle changes. Keep running the BPC 157, let things cool down a bit, and you’ll be back moving weight without piling up more nagging stuff.
Turns out my glucosamine supp has msm (25mg) and Chondroitin (150mg). Not quite good enough so I ordered some single ingredient supps to up the doses to your prescribed level.
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