Help!!!! Coming off HRT !!!!!

[Warrior08]

this makes me want to reconsider if I should be on HRT at 25...or try and get my levels back

They were at 249 before I got on HRT

Anyway IM subbed in to see ur results for sure bro

Yea man, I tested low 300's and jumped on and been on since. I should have done a few test and see where I was but it's to late now.

I'm gonna give it a good run. And see what happens. Either way something good should come out of it. I'll either get a script for some test from the doc or I'll recover and just cycle like I should have done.


Currently feeling like shit. I'm achy and tired as fuck!!!!! Hopefully it's all in my head. Lol


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[El Hefe]

I agree with Felicity that a 4-6 week PCT will not be sufficient. I also agree with Ano's advice to taper down.

Assuming you were 'on' for a long period... greater than 1 year, tapering down to a steady, TRT dose and then transitioning into PCT rather than immediately following a blast would be beneficial. I've even seen guys transition even further to a low dose am dbol method to create a morning spike (rather than an elevated level) that more closely resembles their natural levels/rhythm.

As for PCT and your use of Serms:
My ideas differ a little because although I think both Clomid and Nolva should both be used, I think they should be staggered and overlapped. Clomid and Nolva are similar, but of course not the same. Although they both bind to estrogen receptors, they don't bind identically to all of the same receptors, which is the reason to use both. Its the same principal behind a proper cycle, you don't want to use two identical steroids that essential compete or at the very least, add no additional benefit. But Clomid and Nolva can also compete for some of the same receptors. This is why (IMO) a lot of guys dropped the 2 Serm protocol years ago...they found Clomid to be nearly as effective as the combo. Therefore, a lot of forum bro science out there says 2 Serms are unnecessary.

Because Clomid has been shown to be superior for restart purposes, its my strong opinion that Clomid is best used by itself when starting PCT. Then, midway through PCT, introduce Nolva. I've personally tried this a number of different ways: Clomid and Nolva both for 4 weeks, Clomid only, Nolva only, No Serms at all, and I've also tried this method of staggering and overlapping the two which I feel is significantly more effective. You'll notice the physical effects of the restart about 4-8 days after starting Clomid. But then you'll also notice a 2nd boost midway through PCT when you start Nolva. Essentially, it allows your PCT to be progressive (like a cycle).

This method also has benefit because it allows you to run a long PCT or Restart without running Clomid the whole time. Although Clomid is more beneficial for restart purposes (also prescribed by more TRT doctors), it's also usually ran at higher doses (compared to Nolva) and it can also yield more estrogen like side effects. Nolva on the other hand tends to be more tolerable and can be tolerated for longer periods.

Good Luck

One more note: always taper your Serms

 

[Warrior08]

I agree with Felicity that a 4-6 week PCT will not be sufficient. I also agree with Ano's advice to taper down.

Assuming you were 'on' for a long period... greater than 1 year, tapering down to a steady, TRT dose and then transitioning into PCT rather than immediately following a blast would be beneficial. I've even seen guys transition even further to a low dose am dbol method to create a morning spike (rather than an elevated level) that more closely resembles their natural levels/rhythm.

As for PCT and your use of Serms:
My ideas differ a little because although I think both Clomid and Nolva should both be used, I think they should be staggered and overlapped. Clomid and Nolva are similar, but of course not the same. Although they both bind to estrogen receptors, they don't bind identically to all of the same receptors, which is the reason to use both. Its the same principal behind a proper cycle, you don't want to use two identical steroids that essential compete or at the very least, add no additional benefit. But Clomid and Nolva can also compete for some of the same receptors. This is why (IMO) a lot of guys dropped the 2 Serm protocol years ago...they found Clomid to be nearly as effective as the combo. Therefore, a lot of forum bro science out there says 2 Serms are unnecessary.

Because Clomid has been shown to be superior for restart purposes, its my strong opinion that Clomid is best used by itself when starting PCT. Then, midway through PCT, introduce Nolva. I've personally tried this a number of different ways: Clomid and Nolva both for 4 weeks, Clomid only, Nolva only, No Serms at all, and I've also tried this method of staggering and overlapping the two which I feel is significantly more effective. You'll notice the physical effects of the restart about 4-8 days after starting Clomid. But then you'll also notice a 2nd boost midway through PCT when you start Nolva. Essentially, it allows your PCT to be progressive (like a cycle).

This method also has benefit because it allows you to run a long PCT or Restart without running Clomid the whole time. Although Clomid is more beneficial for restart purposes (also prescribed by more TRT doctors), it's also usually ran at higher doses (compared to Nolva) and it can also yield more estrogen like side effects. Nolva on the other hand tends to be more tolerable and can be tolerated for longer periods.

Good Luck

One more note: always taper your Serms

I wasn't blasting for a year. I have been on 200mg test for about 1.5 years and I did two short blast in there.

By tapering sarms.... You mean tapering them down alittle each week


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[El Hefe]

By tapering sarms.... You mean tapering them down alittle each week

Yes. Something like 50/50/25/25/12.5/12.5

At the very end of PCT, I might even switch to EOD and then E3D.

 

[Warrior08]

Yes. Something like 50/50/25/25/12.5/12.5

At the very end of PCT, I might even switch to EOD and then E3D.

So clomid - 50/50/25/25/12.5/12.5/eod
Nolva - 0/0/0/0/25/25/25/12.5/


I'm also gonna add bridge and daa after two weeks of HCG blast.


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[El Hefe]

You've got the right idea. But seeing as how you've been on TRT for 1.5 years, I would consider a 12 week PCT.

I also would dose clomid around 100 for the first few days, then 50 and taper from there as you noted. I would also start Nova at 40. You must have liquid judging by the doses you mentioned.

But this is not set in stone....merely a suggestion....it's what works well for me.

 

[Warrior08]

Yea all liquid. Thanks for the help. I'm trying to get some bit of info from everyone. And make my plan as I see fit.



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[Warrior08]

ok guys, a little up date here…

its been 12 days since last pin

Currently Running:
- aromasin 12.5mg every 3rd day
- HCG 1000iu EOD (just started a few days ago)
- will be adding clomid hopefully monday or tuesday next week.

- My balls are starting to plump up
- Strength is still normal
- def not as full muscle wise
- def not as hard muscle wise
- sex drive seems normal
- Pumps not nearly as good.

one thing i have def noticed is my joints are achy more then usual.

so far so good….. ill update again next week once i add clomid….

 

[Felicity]

ok guys, a little up date here…

its been 12 days since last pin

Currently Running:
- aromasin 12.5mg every 3rd day
- HCG 1000iu EOD (just started a few days ago)
- will be adding clomid hopefully monday or tuesday next week.

- My balls are starting to plump up
- Strength is still normal
- def not as full muscle wise
- def not as hard muscle wise
- sex drive seems normal
- Pumps not nearly as good.

one thing i have def noticed is my joints are achy more then usual.

so far so good….. ill update again next week once i add clomid….

You're definitely not going to feel good brotha.. your attempt to get your natural test levels back due to negligence on your part will likely make you end up in a dark room, crying, watching the notebook a few times over.

 

[Warrior08]

Lol yes brother I know. It's gonna suck but it's all good. Worst thing is I get a Watson script out of it


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[Felicity]

Lol yes brother I know. It's gonna suck but it's all good. Worst thing is I get a Watson script out of it


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True that bro. At least you're giving it a shot - no pun intended.

 

[Warrior08]

Haha


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[Beastly]

Why the fuck would people be on TRT at 25 and 26? That is just fucking retarded.

 

[Warrior08]

So took my first dose of clomid. 50mg from ag guys.

I'm noticing a increase in heart rate. I'm sitting here and my heart rate is around 90-100.

Is this a common side?


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[tburroughs]

So took my first dose of clomid. 50mg from ag guys.

I'm noticing a increase in heart rate. I'm sitting here and my heart rate is around 90-100.

Is this a common side?


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flushing and headache are pretty common, i dont commonly see an increase in hr. what is your normal resting hr?

 

[Warrior08]

Normal is 65-75. But I has gone back to normal now. Felt pretty odd for a hr or so after taking it


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[Mateo123]

WOW Warrior. I just want to say I feel for you. Stary strong, stay commited and I know you got this.

 

[Warrior08]

Thanks bro. I gotta say so far it's not too bad. But just trying to stay up mentally. And realize that long term it will be better.

Thank god im doing this going into the winter.


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[Moorepower]

Props to you man. Good luck. Are you using all ag guys Serms?


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[Warrior08]

Yea all ag guys. I'll be adding in some daa and bridge at the end of my HCG run.


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