Approved Log HGH only cycle LOG

[RUMIN.01_]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

 

[toddthelineman]

@RUMIN.01_ great! You’re already looking pretty good and in a great place to start moving toward your goals.

The more detail you can update your log with the better. Food, sleep, training, how you feel. Weekly update should suffice especially if you’re successfully tracking daily, but if you can work your way up to short quick daily updates, I felt that was what kept me on track the best.

Have you done bloodwork?

 

[Nasser1997o2]

How old are you bro?

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

how old are you?

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

I didn't mention this cos I forgot to last night cos it was late but my protocol is Hgh every other day for convenience but also cos I heard it helps with other things like blood glucose etc.

Day 1: 20/12/25: 5 iu (I wasted the other iu in the vial sadly)
Day 2: nothing cos im pinning every other day
Day 3: 10 iu (the only reason im doing such drastic numbers is also cos I have a dead line to use all the gh before vacation in mid January so wanna get it done quick)
Day 4: rest
Day 5: repeat (I will run this 10iu eod until the end of the cycle)

This will balance out to be 5ius spread over the two days in theory but I believe it will be more like 10 ius first day 3 ius the next im not sure hopefully someone can clear that up for me

Other supplements:
Sleep multivitamin: ashwaganda, magnesium etc
And that is it may take some creatine soon

Diet:
I am trying to cut and to help me have the energy to lift while im a deficit i fluctuate my calories here is an example
Training day
Goal cals: 2000-2100
Carbsmost important for training) 80grams minimum 30 mins before workout
Protein: fluctuates quite alot but roughly 60g on average

Rest day:
Goal cals: 1800
Carbs: as little as possible cos
Protein: 70 minimum but typically get to 80 - 90

Sleep is typically 8 hours but i do struggle with sleep issues and the gh knocked me out last night had the best sleep in a LONG time felt like I had a big weight in my head

My questions:
What supplements should I take along side hgh i was going to get berberine to help insulin but not sure

What should I focus on in terms of food while on hgh

and any other tips that you have gotten along the way

 

[RUMIN.01_]

@RUMIN.01_ great! You’re already looking pretty good and in a great place to start moving toward your goals.

The more detail you can update your log with the better. Food, sleep, training, how you feel. Weekly update should suffice especially if you’re successfully tracking daily, but if you can work your way up to short quick daily updates, I felt that was what kept me on track the best.

Have you done bloodwork?

No blood work but I can probably try to update daily or atleast every few days just thought it might be a waste cos it will take atleast a few days to a week for me to notice real progress.

 

[toddthelineman]

No blood work but I can probably try to update daily or atleast every few days just thought it might be a waste cos it will take atleast a few days to a week for me to notice real progress.

Yes progress will be gradual but the self accountability from daily reporting was huge for me and the ability to look back and accurately gauge what was affecting your results is a huuuuge factor. *if you can make the time it will be soooo worth it I can promise you that. I had no idea the results I was capable of and my effort was far from 100%. I’m a very busy person, not at all a competitor, I don’t even consider myself a body builder. If you look at the progress pics from my first log (there’s a lot of banter and stuff to sift through) you can see I went from reasonably lean and muscular to very ripped and muscular and I didn’t really try that hard, I just kept myself accountable and that was mostly due to the encouragement and scolding from members who were following me. It was a really good recomp you could probably do even better you’re starting out good and more fresh than I was. I’d love to see it!

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Yes progress will be gradual but the self accountability from daily reporting was huge for me and the ability to look back and accurately gauge what was affecting your results is a huuuuge factor. *if you can make the time it will be soooo worth it I can promise you that. I had no idea the results I was capable of and my effort was far from 100%. I’m a very busy person, not at all a competitor, I don’t even consider myself a body builder. If you look at the progress pics from my first log (there’s a lot of banter and stuff to sift through) you can see I went from reasonably lean and muscular to very ripped and muscular and I didn’t really try that hard, I just kept myself accountable and that was mostly due to the encouragement and scolding from members who were following me. It was a really good recomp you could probably do even better you’re starting out good and more fresh than I was. I’d love to see it!

Alright ill probably try to update often then thanks for input it helps alot

 

[Allupfromhere]

Welcome brother
Your have found the right place for your journey my man plently of experience and solid advice to be found here.

140kg leg extension is elite especially at 70kg body weight! Have to get a video up for us brother.

Whats the thought behind a gh only cycle? Are you just aiming for the health and fat loss benifits? Why a dead line to finish all the gh?

Yes gh significantly effects blood glucose but do you understand in what way?

Gh will increase your blood glucose by promoting glucose release from the liver, decreasing glucose uptake into the muscle and causing insulin resistance at higher doses like your stating.

Im not sure what your doing even makes sense?

Currently 2-3iu would be more then enough for a therapeutic approach and on from that timing would control its influence on lypolisis effect.

Hgh doesnt directly cause muscle cell hypertrophy.

Just trying to get a better picture of your approach is all brother sorry if im coming across wrong.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Welcome brother
Your have found the right place for your journey my man plently of experience and solid advice to be found here.

140kg leg extension is elite especially at 70kg body weight! Have to get a video up for us brother.

Whats the thought behind a gh only cycle? Are you just aiming for the health and fat loss benifits? Why a dead line to finish all the gh?

Yes gh significantly effects blood glucose but do you understand in what way?

Gh will increase your blood glucose by promoting glucose release from the liver, decreasing glucose uptake into the muscle and causing insulin resistance at higher doses like your stating.

Im not sure what your doing even makes sense?

Currently 2-3iu would be more then enough for a therapeutic approach and on from that timing would control its influence on lypolisis effect.

Hgh doesnt directly cause muscle cell hypertrophy.

Just trying to get a better picture of your approach is all brother sorry if im coming across wrong.

Yea the goal is to get a idea of pinning and enhanced training cos hgh is quite safe hgh does cause new muscle tissue growth so that could help physique but I need to get the gh done by Jan 12 cos I leave the country I have 90 iu left so it is possible would doing 10iu every second day be safe?

 

[Allupfromhere]

Yea the goal is to get a idea of pinning and enhanced training cos hgh is quite safe hgh does cause new muscle tissue growth so that could help physique but I need to get the gh done by Jan 12 cos I leave the country I have 90 iu left so it is possible would doing 10iu every second day be safe?

No gh doesnt cause muscle tissue growth your mistaken this process is hypertrophy.

Gh creates hyperplasia the division and multiplication of muscle cells not their growth.

At 10iu even eod you could introduce heavy water retention and carpel tunnel like symptoms in your hands. It will also blunt your insulin sensitivity and you will struggle to effectively utilise all your Carbohydrates.

This isnt a good idea at all bro. If you worried about the gh going to waste because you leaving the country just sell it. Once your settled at the other end look into enhanced training.

Your body at the end of the day though mate.

@LevButlerov thoughts on all of this?

 

[RUMIN.01_]

No gh doesnt cause muscle tissue growth your mistaken this process is hypertrophy.

Gh creates hyperplasia the division and multiplication of muscle cells not their growth.

At 10iu even eod you could introduce heavy water retention and carpel tunnel like symptoms in your hands. It will also blunt your insulin sensitivity and you will struggle to effectively utilise all your Carbohydrates.

This isnt a good idea at all bro. If you worried about the gh going to waste because you leaving the country just sell it. Once your settled at the other end look into enhanced training.

Your body at the end of the day though mate.

@LevButlerov thoughts on all of this?

I cant sell it to anyone but I would do that otherwise and hyperplasia is literally new muscle cell growth what u talking abt not very effective for muscle growth but its something

 

[Allupfromhere]

I cant sell it to anyone but I would do that otherwise and hyperplasia is literally new muscle cell growth what u talking abt not very effective for muscle growth but its something

Hyperplasia is the increase of number of cells due to cell division.

Hypertrophy is the increase in size of an individual cell.

Unfortunate your unable to sell it brother.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Hyperplasia is the increase of number of cells due to cell division.

Hypertrophy is the increase in size of an individual cell.

Unfortunate your unable to sell it brother.

Yes i know this i didn't say the cells would grow i said it would increase the amount of cells

 

[Allupfromhere]

hyperplasia is literally new muscle cell growth

 

[Allupfromhere]

Misunderstanding is all brother sorry and wish you the best.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Misunderstanding is all brother sorry and wish you the best.

My bad g didn't meant to come off rude is 10iu every other day a good idea ?

 

[Allupfromhere]

My bad g didn't meant to come off rude is 10iu every other day a good idea ?

Nah bro its a forum and we're typing on the net always a chance to get the tone wrong brother hahaha i apologise if i came acros blunt also.

Honestly bro if your dead set on taking it and knowing that i dont feel this setting is suitabke for it at all lol but gun to my head and i had to use it i would pin 2iu pre fasted cardio in the morning to try influence lypolisis. Smash weights like they stole your wife, only eat single ingredient whole foods cleeaaaannn foods and pin the other 3iu before bed. Total 5iu ed.

But just know that i wouldnt use gh at all in this setting or at least no more then 3iu daily for health benifits.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Nah bro its a forum and we're typing on the net always a chance to get the tone wrong brother hahaha i apologise if i came acros blunt also.

Honestly bro if your dead set on taking it and knowing that i dont feel this setting is suitabke for it at all lol but gun to my head and i had to use it i would pin 2iu pre fasted cardio in the morning to try influence lypolisis. Smash weights like they stole your wife, only eat single ingredient whole foods cleeaaaannn foods and pin the other 3iu before bed. Total 5iu ed.

But just know that i wouldnt use gh at all in this setting or at least no more then 3iu daily for health benifits.

Damn okay ill listen to u man see how it goes or hopefully sell thanks alot tho

 

[Allupfromhere]

Damn okay ill listen to u man see how it goes or hopefully sell thanks alot tho

2-3iu pre bed will definitely help with sleep and recovery though brother no doubt.

Lets some others chime in though they may have a different opinion.

@LevButlerov @Pigsy @HarleyGuy @R.AP
@s.gentz

 

[Coolguy]

you should definitely titrate up i do all my gh in the pm before bed.
Start at 2iu work up to 5. Sounds like your over you pinning issue as well @RUMIN.01_

 

[CypherOCE]

I didn't mention this cos I forgot to last night cos it was late but my protocol is Hgh every other day for convenience but also cos I heard it helps with other things like blood glucose etc.

Day 1: 20/12/25: 5 iu (I wasted the other iu in the vial sadly)
Day 2: nothing cos im pinning every other day
Day 3: 10 iu (the only reason im doing such drastic numbers is also cos I have a dead line to use all the gh before vacation in mid January so wanna get it done quick)
Day 4: rest
Day 5: repeat (I will run this 10iu eod until the end of the cycle)

This will balance out to be 5ius spread over the two days in theory but I believe it will be more like 10 ius first day 3 ius the next im not sure hopefully someone can clear that up for me

Other supplements:
Sleep multivitamin: ashwaganda, magnesium etc
And that is it may take some creatine soon

Diet:
I am trying to cut and to help me have the energy to lift while im a deficit i fluctuate my calories here is an example
Training day
Goal cals: 2000-2100
Carbsmost important for training) 80grams minimum 30 mins before workout
Protein: fluctuates quite alot but roughly 60g on average

Rest day:
Goal cals: 1800
Carbs: as little as possible cos
Protein: 70 minimum but typically get to 80 - 90

Sleep is typically 8 hours but i do struggle with sleep issues and the gh knocked me out last night had the best sleep in a LONG time felt like I had a big weight in my head

My questions:
What supplements should I take along side hgh i was going to get berberine to help insulin but not sure

What should I focus on in terms of food while on hgh

and any other tips that you have gotten along the way

This is absolutely terrible. You are going about this completely wrong and you’re wasting money on GH.

You really need to reevaluate your decisons.

 

[toddthelineman]

My bad g didn't meant to come off rude is 10iu every other day a good idea ?

That would be extreme. Hands so numb and painful you can’t hold your phone, possibly. I’ve never pinned 10iu at one time. Lethargy so powerful it’s not safe to drive a car, no amount of caffeine will overpower it. Ankles so swollen your socks will leave deep creases.

I would start at 2iu at night, personally. Precardio is also an option but *if* you get the lethargy like I do you’ll need reevaluate unless you have the ability to take naps whenever you need to.

Hgh works much better with testosterone you know this right?

 

[Coolguy]

Let's bump that protein up as well I'm worried there's a super high fat concentration to make up those calories.

 

[LevButlerov]

2-3iu pre bed will definitely help with sleep and recovery though brother no doubt.

Lets some others chime in though they may have a different opinion.

@LevButlerov @Pigsy @HarleyGuy @R.AP
@s.gentz

I have suspicions about the situation tbh

 

[Allupfromhere]

I have suspicions about the situation tbh

The gh only cycle didnt make sense at all to me?

 

[toddthelineman]

I have suspicions about the situation tbh

Every guy on here with big ideas about gh only has turned out to be quite young.

@RUMIN.01_ make sure you don’t take anything personally here and listen to the wealth of real experience. You’re going to hear some things you might not want to hear but you won’t be steered wrong

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

You're under 18 years of age. We don't give advice on here to people this young.

@LevButlerov @Pigsy @HarleyGuy @R.AP
@s.gentz

 

[LevButlerov]

Every guy on here with big ideas about gh only has turned out to be quite young.

@RUMIN.01_ make sure you don’t take anything personally here and listen to the wealth of real experience. You’re going to hear some things you might not want to hear but you won’t be steered wrong

Yes it seems so.

 

[Nasser1997o2]

I can guarantee this is a young kid who’s watched some “looks maxxing” dork on tik Tok and now wants to take PEDs so impress girls, but is still smart enough to know that steroids this young isn’t a good idea.

There is another one that I tried to help, won’t name names, and he mentioned an influencer that I looked up and confirmed the case.

These sarm goblins are becoming peptide goblins.

They are also running serms and weird blood pressure meds for lowering facial water retention.

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Part of me remembers being a late teenager, early 20’s young guy, who desperately wanted to be bigger, leaner and have girls attention.

I got there naturally, and girls didn’t care.

I hopped on PEDs, and girls didn’t care.

I’m not going to act like a great physique doesn’t impress girls, it totally does. You still have to be interesting, charismatic and likeable.

The bigger issue is the pursuit of physical perfection for validation. You see it in young girls who ruin their face with crazy Botox and fillers.

Young guys are doing the same thing. Running endoclomiphine, a million different peptides and trying to be 9% body fat year young.

Doing long term damage to bone density, hormone levels and god knows what else. Just for your local instagram thot to still not care about you.

I bet OP has been told a million times to lift for himself, for his own internal passion. I remember being young too, and I know for a fact I didnt listen either.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

Day 3 of the log just after my second injection took some advice and did a injection of 6ius instead of sky-rocketing up to 10 ius.

So far feeling good sleep has been amazing but today I felt quite tired but I do think it is more because of my job and the extreme heat in australia with little water but im feeling good now

Made sure to be fasted 2 hrs before Injection as always.

And to adress the comments I have been receiving no I am not a kid and no I dont think I will become the next super model from hgh I have decided to run hgh because it is a very mild compound and I am using it as a learning experience to know if this is what I want to do no expecting to explode with gains but I wouldnt mind the hair and skin benefits also.

I inject every second day and I found that this method has been found to increase adult height in idiopathic short stature kids which is very interesting to me as I would expect daily exposure would be better but I guess not.

Cals:2000 roughly
Got alot of steps and cardio in due to my job
Protein: 80-90
Carbs: 80 roughly
Not too happy with these macros but hope to fix em up as I continue

Anyone got some good high carb pre workout foods?
For protein i just devour a bunch of scrambled eggs cos low cals with decent protein

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Let's bump that protein up as well I'm worried there's a super high fat concentration to make up those calories.

I will try my best i have realised my protien has been sup par but I have seen a studies that was quite interesting that 2 groups who were in a calories deficit 1 had more carbs the other more protein the carb group retained and even grew more muscle which would suggest carbs are more beneficial because higher quality sets etc but protein definitely cannot he slacked on

 

[Allupfromhere]

Anyone got some good high carb pre workout foods?
For protein i just devour a bunch of scrambled eggs cos low cals with decent protein

Cream of rice will be your best friend here brother

 

[RUMIN.01_]

That would be extreme. Hands so numb and painful you can’t hold your phone, possibly. I’ve never pinned 10iu at one time. Lethargy so powerful it’s not safe to drive a car, no amount of caffeine will overpower it. Ankles so swollen your socks will leave deep creases.

I would start at 2iu at night, personally. Precardio is also an option but *if* you get the lethargy like I do you’ll need reevaluate unless you have the ability to take naps whenever you need to.

Hgh works much better with testosterone you know this right?

Yes well aware that hgh isnt very potent but this is more of a learning experience will not be doing 10ius for the mean time ive realised it is just too risky and im better chilling and doing less will keep with 6iu every other day try 8iu and see how i feel but I dont know how sustainable it will be can only wait and find out

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Cream of rice will be your best friend here brother

Cheers man ill check it out

 

[Allupfromhere]

Cheers man ill check it out

I dont use the ones from the sup store bro too expensive long term if you eat heaps of it. I just use McKenzie's rice flour from coles or woolies and make my own

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 3 of the log just after my second injection took some advice and did a injection of 6ius instead of sky-rocketing up to 10 ius.

So far feeling good sleep has been amazing but today I felt quite tired but I do think it is more because of my job and the extreme heat in australia with little water but im feeling good now

Made sure to be fasted 2 hrs before Injection as always.

And to adress the comments I have been receiving no I am not a kid and no I dont think I will become the next super model from hgh I have decided to run hgh because it is a very mild compound and I am using it as a learning experience to know if this is what I want to do no expecting to explode with gains but I wouldnt mind the hair and skin benefits also.

I inject every second day and I found that this method has been found to increase adult height in idiopathic short stature kids which is very interesting to me as I would expect daily exposure would be better but I guess not.

Cals:2000 roughly
Got alot of steps and cardio in due to my job
Protein: 80-90
Carbs: 80 roughly
Not too happy with these macros but hope to fix em up as I continue

Anyone got some good high carb pre workout foods?
For protein i just devour a bunch of scrambled eggs cos low cals with decent protein

I hate to do this, but you need to respond to my DM we need to confirm your age if you are to continue @RUMIN.01_ i really want to help you but I feel we might be stepping on landmines here

 

[toddthelineman]

Yes well aware that hgh isnt very potent but this is more of a learning experience will not be doing 10ius for the mean time ive realised it is just too risky and im better chilling and doing less will keep with 6iu every other day try 8iu and see how i feel but I dont know how sustainable it will be can only wait and find out

No it is very potent but it takes time. Rushing it is going to be all side effects and little to no improvement. But you don’t have time so now you’re stuck in a sunk cost fallacy. You should wait. The lyophilized powder will last years. Put it somewhere cool and dark and stop spinning your wheels. Even 6 or 8 iu are too much to start and you don’t have enough time before you leave the country, as you say, to get the results you invested in.

Also, you need to answer @LevButlerov. He’s the man around here. If you’re underage you need to stop being selfish and understand that this is a problem for evo as well as you.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

Day 4

Cals 2000-2100
Protein 90-100
Carbs 80

Upperday today
Felt pretty slack and unmotivated because I was tired from work but got it done anyway will pin 6iu tmrw

 

[CypherOCE]

Day 4

Cals 2000-2100
Protein 90-100
Carbs 80

Upperday today
Felt pretty slack and unmotivated because I was tired from work but got it done anyway will pin 6iu tmrw

Bro, you really gotta up the protein and carbs if you want to take full advantage of what you’re currently taking

you should be at least double your bodyweight in protein and carbs somewhere around 200+ would be ideal

If you need help structuring a diet just @ me and I’ll make time to help you out

 

[HarleyGuy]

Day 4

Cals 2000-2100
Protein 90-100
Carbs 80

Upperday today
Felt pretty slack and unmotivated because I was tired from work but got it done anyway will pin 6iu tmrw

If this was an approved log I'd tell you your calories based on your macros only total 720 cals, at most and to eat way more. You'll need to answer your DM's to get this log approved and then add much more detail to your diet and training to help us help you.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

If this was an approved log I'd tell you your calories based on your macros only total 720 cals, at most and to eat way more. You'll need to answer your DM's to get this log approved and then add much more detail to your diet and training to help us help you.

Im trying my best to eat bro but its hard to hit macros while in a deficit when i got free time ill track everything I eat in a day down to the gram and see how true my estimates are

 

[HarleyGuy]

Im trying my best to eat bro but its hard to hit macros while in a deficit when i got free time ill track everything I eat in a day down to the gram and see how true my estimates are

So these are estimates now. I appreciate your effort and I see you're on EVO here and really trying so that's great keep that up!

What we'll need is this, for this to be an approved log to be able to be supervised and guided
1. Answer your DM's
2. Please follow instruction in DM's and upload requests to the MOD who sent it to you.
3. We will post a "how-to-log" guide again here for you to use as a guide on how to log, and you can refer to other logs that will be listed as a template example.

My advice at this current moment is stop using GH until we can get your log started.

First lets start with #1.

 

[R.AP]

Day 4

Cals 2000-2100
Protein 90-100
Carbs 80

Upperday today
Felt pretty slack and unmotivated because I was tired from work but got it done anyway will pin 6iu tmrw

Hang on bro based on this you're telling me your diet consists of 75% fat? And you're struggling to get the food in?

Don't worry about tracking your food bro you need to get help designing a food plan that is going to work for you. The GH cannot be cheap. I don't want you wasting your money. Nutrition is the foundation of ANY physique related goal.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Hello everyone i am making this log to gain some in sight into the bodybuilding sphere and hopefully provide some useful info to other people.
I will be updating this log roughly every week from today.

(P.S this is my first log)

First of all my body rn
Weight: 70kg at night
Height: roughly 173 or 5'8

My current gym stats:
First of all my split is UL Rest Repeat to keep high frequency while still being able to recover good.
1 year and 3 months lifting starting at 60 kg
Bench: 85kg 1rm
Deadlift: 175 1rm
(I do neither of these in my training days)

For exercises i actually do that i think r impressive:
Pec Dec 1 arm: 120kg 5 reps
1 arm supinated tricep extension: 28 kg 7 reps
Leg extension: 140kg 8 reps maxxed out my machine

Goal:
Goal if this is to lose a bit of fat and a
Gain some muscle dont really care abt strength just want aesthetics.

Some physique photos from roughly a month ago r given all feedback is welcome and appreciated

Day 5
Tried to reach my macro goals more cos I have realised it has NOT been good thanks for the criticism everyone I really needed it

Cals 2100 - 2200
Protein: 130
Carbs 90 - 100

These are just estimates

The numbers are still not good but im trying my best to get these numbers up the deficit isnt any main concern right now cos my macros are wack asf

But aside from that It is Christmas eve here in au and I wish you all a happy Christmas

 

[Pigsy]

Let's bump that protein up as well I'm worried there's a super high fat concentration to make up those calories.

Yes, needs a lot more protein

 

[Allupfromhere]

Bro you macros are cooked.

Let get a rough starting point for your body weight.

200g protein - 800cals
50g fats - 450cals
250g carbs - 1000cal

2250 total daily cals

Hold this for 2 weeks and see what changes on the scales and take photo now and again in 2 weeks to compare visually.

From there we adjust your carbs first. As you start to build more muscle we bring up protien.

This is a rough guide but is miles further then where your currently at bro.

You nutrition needs to change massively.
What foods are making up your current macros and what does your intake timing look like?

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 5
Tried to reach my macro goals more cos I have realised it has NOT been good thanks for the criticism everyone I really needed it

Cals 2100 - 2200
Protein: 130
Carbs 90 - 100

These are just estimates

The numbers are still not good but im trying my best to get these numbers up the deficit isnt any main concern right now cos my macros are wack asf

But aside from that It is Christmas eve here in au and I wish you all a happy Christmas

Update just did a calories maintenance tracker and i have underestimated my maintenance calories it is likely somewhere is the 2500 where as I thought it was 2000 so I will be upping the cals to allow for better macros

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Bro you macros are cooked.

Let get a rough starting point for your body weight.

200g protein - 800cals
50g fats - 450cals
250g carbs - 1000cal

2250 total daily cals

Hold this for 2 weeks and see what changes on the scales and take photo now and again in 2 weeks to compare visually.

From there we adjust your carbs first. As you start to build more muscle we bring up protien.

This is a rough guide but is miles further then where your currently at bro.

You nutrition needs to change massively.
What foods are making up your current macros and what does your intake timing look like?

I like to have scrambled eggs for protein but when I am in a pinch / working I have protein milk shakes and drinks and for carbs i have rice cream or some bread or milk with sugar not the best i know usually i have most of my carbs pre workout like 60 -80 but that should go up and for other food throughout the day i have coffee in the morning with some eggs for breakfast/ lunch then i have a big dinner which makes up like 50% of my daily cals

Its hard to find decent protein and carb sources without ridiculous calories i might starting getting some more lean meats and mince

 

[CypherOCE]

I like to have scrambled eggs for protein but when I am in a pinch / working I have protein milk shakes and drinks and for carbs i have rice cream or some bread or milk with sugar not the best i know usually i have most of my carbs pre workout like 60 -80 but that should go up and for other food throughout the day i have coffee in the morning with some eggs for breakfast/ lunch then i have a big dinner which makes up like 50% of my daily cals

Its hard to find decent protein and carb sources without ridiculous calories i might starting getting some more lean meats and mince

Lean mince and mashed potatoes is literally my go to meal I’m basic AF but I absolutely love it hahaha

 

[Dreamer]

Lean mince and mashed potatoes is literally my go to meal I’m basic AF but I absolutely love it hahaha

Thats an absolute banger of a meal, I love it.
Another easy way to get calories and carbs in is weetbix, honey and banana with some protein powder

 

[Coolguy]

Cream of rice brother.
Like 80g rice flour.
Mix boiling water into it until its super runny.
Microwave it for 1.5mins.
Mix 50g protien powder and 30g chocolate.
Then 200g off mixed berries.
Elite meal

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 6
First noticable change is my bench went from 85 to 90kg today cant exactly say its cos of the hgh but either way just smashed a new milestone

Cals 2300 - 2600
Protein 150-180
Carbs 120 (80 pre workout)

numbers today are decent cos for Christmas my family prepares a bunch of meats like ham, pork etc

hope go keep these numbers up for the foreseeable future will invest in some protein powder and start using that and I have tried the rice cream which has helped get those carbs up

I pinned 6iu hgh yesterday night and I feel like the hgh has made me slightly more vascular and the skin is feeling tighter might be placebo but feeling good so far

️need your advice️
I am planning on pinning 8iu tmrw with like 3 hours fasted but I dont know if this is a good idea could be risky but so far I have not experienced any side effects at 6iu injections although I cannot track bloods cos of budget should I take some supporting things like berberine? Serious need some info cos I am heavily considering it.

And i hope everyone had a good Christmas surrounded by friends and family

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 6
First noticable change is my bench went from 85 to 90kg today cant exactly say its cos of the hgh but either way just smashed a new milestone

Cals 2300 - 2600
Protein 150-180
Carbs 120 (80 pre workout)

numbers today are decent cos for Christmas my family prepares a bunch of meats like ham, pork etc

hope go keep these numbers up for the foreseeable future will invest in some protein powder and start using that and I have tried the rice cream which has helped get those carbs up

I pinned 6iu hgh yesterday night and I feel like the hgh has made me slightly more vascular and the skin is feeling tighter might be placebo but feeling good so far

️need your advice️
I am planning on pinning 8iu tmrw with like 3 hours fasted but I dont know if this is a good idea could be risky but so far I have not experienced any side effects at 6iu injections although I cannot track bloods cos of budget should I take some supporting things like berberine? Serious need some info cos I am heavily considering it.

And i hope everyone had a good Christmas surrounded by friends and family

That's a good increase in bench @RUMIN.01_
Merry Xmas and finally your log approved, you're clearly into this, so lets see where you can go.

 

[Coolguy]

Day 6
First noticable change is my bench went from 85 to 90kg today cant exactly say its cos of the hgh but either way just smashed a new milestone

Cals 2300 - 2600
Protein 150-180
Carbs 120 (80 pre workout)

numbers today are decent cos for Christmas my family prepares a bunch of meats like ham, pork etc

hope go keep these numbers up for the foreseeable future will invest in some protein powder and start using that and I have tried the rice cream which has helped get those carbs up

I pinned 6iu hgh yesterday night and I feel like the hgh has made me slightly more vascular and the skin is feeling tighter might be placebo but feeling good so far

️need your advice️
I am planning on pinning 8iu tmrw with like 3 hours fasted but I dont know if this is a good idea could be risky but so far I have not experienced any side effects at 6iu injections although I cannot track bloods cos of budget should I take some supporting things like berberine? Serious need some info cos I am heavily considering it.

And i hope everyone had a good Christmas surrounded by friends and family

Brother why pin 8iu of gh ? 6 is heaps.
8iu of gh is more expensive then running bloods haha.
are you using generic gh ? I assume they are at 10 iu a vial I would just pin half the vial everyday super easy.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Brother why pin 8iu of gh ? 6 is heaps.
8iu of gh is more expensive then running bloods haha.
are you using generic gh ? I assume they are at 10 iu a vial I would just pin half the vial everyday super easy.

Im doing every other day for convenience so with this considered would doing 8iu be okay side effect wise ?

 

[Coolguy]

Im doing every other day for convenience so with this considered would doing 8iu be okay side effect wise ?

I'd definitely be pinning it everyday.
I'm pretty sure that's not how gh works.
I feel like gh has like a 12 hr half life or something maybe someone with a bit more knowledge can chime in.
@Pigsy @LevButlerov

 

[RUMIN.01_]

I'd definitely be pinning it everyday.
I'm pretty sure that's not how gh works.
I feel like gh has like a 12 hr half life or something maybe someone with a bit more knowledge can chime in.
@Pigsy @LevButlerov

From what I have gathered every day and every other day has similar outcomes just along as they match in ius for example if the daily is 2iu the every other day would be 4iu

 

[Pigsy]

I'd definitely be pinning it everyday.
I'm pretty sure that's not how gh works.
I feel like gh has like a 12 hr half life or something maybe someone with a bit more knowledge can chime in.
@Pigsy @LevButlerov

My personal preference is everyday dosing all before bed

 

[RUMIN.01_]

My personal preference is everyday dosing all before bed

I do before bed fasted too but I do it every second day and from the studies I have found it has almost no difference im outcome in fat loss and lean mass gain

 

[Pigsy]

I do before bed fasted too but I do it every second day and from the studies I have found it has almost no difference im outcome in fat loss and lean mass gain

Means I would be doing 20ius every second day. Your having success with you protocol stick to it

 

[Coolguy]

As long as your smashing your goals brother.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Means I would be doing 20ius every second day. Your having success with you protocol stick to it

So far so good gomma stick to it thanks for the help g

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 6
I made a previous post saying it was day 6 But i messed up the dates because i missed a day of logging

Pinned 7 iu today because I want to see how i feel on 7 before I go and do 8iu i have not had any side effects yet other than I feel very tired as soon as it hits like 8pm lol which is probably more of a good thing

Hoping to do 8iu next time if all is good tmrw and I will stay fasted 2-4 hrs after waking up when I do 8iu just to keep that blood glucose levels good (if this isnt necessary lmk)

Cals: 2100
Protein: 160
Carbs:110

Numbers r looking good now hope to get them even better

Unfortunately had to skip gym today but its fine

Weight had gone down from 70kg to 69kg despite my increase in calories but I believe i was experiencing metabolic adaption to the aggressively low calories but hgh may have helped

Will post physique update tmrw

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd definitely be pinning it everyday.
I'm pretty sure that's not how gh works.
I feel like gh has like a 12 hr half life or something maybe someone with a bit more knowledge can chime in.
@Pigsy @LevButlerov

I like ED pins myself even long esters, I find it lowers peaks, fully agree with you @Coolguy

 

[RUMIN.01_]

I like ED pins myself even long esters, I find it lowers peaks, fully agree with you @Coolguy

Yea i do think every day would be better but due to my current circumstances it isnt possible for me personally

 

[LevButlerov]

Yea i do think every day would be better but due to my current circumstances it isnt possible for me personally

Your case is HGH you need to pin ed either way.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Your case is HGH you need to pin ed either way.

Clinical studies have shown every other day yields the same effects as every day given then total weekly hgh is the same... so I think ill be alr

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 8
I skiped day 7 cos I was busy but I was hanging out with friends and missed my macros for the day got abt 120 protein and 80 carbs if I were to guess

Today I went to the gym and did a pseudo full-body day cos I missed my lower day I did my typical Upper day with a little legs in there i increase my weight in alot of lifts today and felt great energy throughout even tho I was low on carbs cos I was in a time crunch

Cals: 2400 (not where I want to be but its fine)
Protein: 170-180
Carbs: 130 (not alot pre workout unfortunately)

I took a few progress pics but the angle was bad and is not a good representation of progress so I wont put it im but im feeling alot fuller and bigger could be a good pump today but idk

Me tracking cals has been a massive help and I would like to thank everyone for encouraging me to fix my diet because I underestimated it for a long time

As for the hgh I pinned 8iu today because last pin I did 7 and felt fine no water retention, sore joints etc just sleeping like a baby so far

Any recommendations or any questions I would love to hear them
And as for the pinning schedule that I have been asked if pin every second day and from what I could find it is essentially just as effective as every day pinning and if it can fit my schedule then even better

 

[LevButlerov]

Clinical studies have shown every other day yields the same effects as every day given then total weekly hgh is the same... so I think ill be alr

what clinical studies? @RUMIN.01_ you really want to go toe to toe on science? come on

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 8
I skiped day 7 cos I was busy but I was hanging out with friends and missed my macros for the day got abt 120 protein and 80 carbs if I were to guess

Today I went to the gym and did a pseudo full-body day cos I missed my lower day I did my typical Upper day with a little legs in there i increase my weight in alot of lifts today and felt great energy throughout even tho I was low on carbs cos I was in a time crunch

Cals: 2400 (not where I want to be but its fine)
Protein: 170-180
Carbs: 130 (not alot pre workout unfortunately)

I took a few progress pics but the angle was bad and is not a good representation of progress so I wont put it im but im feeling alot fuller and bigger could be a good pump today but idk

Me tracking cals has been a massive help and I would like to thank everyone for encouraging me to fix my diet because I underestimated it for a long time

As for the hgh I pinned 8iu today because last pin I did 7 and felt fine no water retention, sore joints etc just sleeping like a baby so far

Any recommendations or any questions I would love to hear them
And as for the pinning schedule that I have been asked if pin every second day and from what I could find it is essentially just as effective as every day pinning and if it can fit my schedule then even better

You're not eating enough clearly.

 

[toddthelineman]

Clinical studies have shown every other day yields the same effects as every day given then total weekly hgh is the same... so I think ill be alr

There’s no way. You can tell by how you sleep that the effects are daily. Couldn’t be the same effects. Also the side effects from bigger doses. I might have an Rx package insert around here somewhere. Serostim is packaged and produced to be injected daily. They just came out with a totally new formulation called ngenla for the purpose of less frequent injection. They wouldn’t have done that if the regular rHGH was just as good with less frequent injections.

But I would be interested in seeing the actual studies

 

[RUMIN.01_]

There’s no way. You can tell by how you sleep that the effects are daily. Couldn’t be the same effects. Also the side effects from bigger doses. I might have an Rx package insert around here somewhere. Serostim is packaged and produced to be injected daily. They just came out with a totally new formulation called ngenla for the purpose of less frequent injection. They wouldn’t have done that if the regular rHGH was just as good with less frequent injections.

But I would be interested in seeing the actual studies

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14517774/

 

[RUMIN.01_]

You're not eating enough clearly.

How much should I be eating ? Im trying to cut a bit can u give a rough outline? My maintenance is like 2500 atm

 

[RUMIN.01_]

what clinical studies? @RUMIN.01_ you really want to go toe to toe on science? come on

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14517774/

 

[toddthelineman]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14517774/

Ok. Sucks I couldn’t get to the full text. I’d have liked to see the actual results and number of patients. But it has indeed been published so that’s fair game.

For myself, I am not convinced. I’ve used a fair amount of gh for a non bodybuilder. Enough to know how to get what I want from it, and I definitely found out what I don’t want. Of course different people have different goals and tolerances. I like 2-4 iu daily. Honestly prefer 2. Daily injections is pretty standard, or 5 on, 2 off.

If you’re wanting to try eod then log it and let’s see how it goes. There’s guys on here who have seen it all first hand. I came here with years of trial and error, and quite a bit of internet and podcast knowledge, but the real world experience shared with me here blew all that away, so just keep that in mind.

 

[LevButlerov]

How much should I be eating ? Im trying to cut a bit can u give a rough outline? My maintenance is like 2500 atm

You need muscle mass before you cut anything.

 

[LevButlerov]

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/14517774/

Growth hormone therapy in GH-deficient adults: continuous vs alternate-days treatment​

This study is on adults with confirmed GH deficiency using medical replacement, not healthy users trying to pick an injection schedule. Unless you have low IGF 1 plus stimulation testing or clear pituitary disease, you should assume you are not GH deficient and this does not apply to you. @RUMIN.01_
And if you read the actual study, it's limited because the sample is small, it is short and cross over, and it leans on IGF 1 and body composition instead of real clinical outcomes. Do not make life decisions off an abstract! read the full paper and get proper labs before copying a protocol.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Dreamer]

How much should I be eating ? Im trying to cut a bit can u give a rough outline? My maintenance is like 2500 atm

I am not being rude or trying to come off as a dick, but the fact you have to ask questions like this, dont you think maybe your a bit ahead of yourself injecting compounds?

You shouldnt be cutting full stop, build muscle, your young and very anabolic.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 9
Couldnt log on the day sorry but will post today

Cals 2400
Protein 180
Carbs 130

Rest day today nothing too note worthy to talk abt feeling good so far tho

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 9
Couldnt log on the day sorry but will post today

Cals 2400
Protein 180
Carbs 130

Rest day today nothing too note worthy to talk abt feeling good so far tho

thats fine how about fats?

 

[RUMIN.01_]

thats fine how about fats?

Haven't cared to track them so far will try to start doing them soon still getting used to tracking protein, carbs and cals

 

[LevButlerov]

Haven't cared to track them so far will try to start doing them soon still getting used to tracking protein, carbs and cals

You should track all foods if you're serious.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 10
Pinned 8 iu again feeling good energy wise in the gym and I am progressing good in exercises

Weighed myself today after dinner at 70.4kg take that as u will but I have been eating 500-1000 cals more than I was pre cycle and I am maintaining the same weight so the lipolysis may be helping with that

Calories 2200
Protein 180
Carbs 140 (80 preworkout)

I am excited to see where this cycle goes because the idea of alternate day injections is quite against the grain it would be good to provide some information as to its effectiveness quite unfortunate that I have to stop due to vacation but this cycle has helped me alot because of the feedback i have gotten from everyone here.

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 10
Pinned 8 iu again feeling good energy wise in the gym and I am progressing good in exercises

Weighed myself today after dinner at 70.4kg take that as u will but I have been eating 500-1000 cals more than I was pre cycle and I am maintaining the same weight so the lipolysis may be helping with that

Calories 2200
Protein 180
Carbs 140 (80 preworkout)

I am excited to see where this cycle goes because the idea of alternate day injections is quite against the grain it would be good to provide some information as to its effectiveness quite unfortunate that I have to stop due to vacation but this cycle has helped me alot because of the feedback i have gotten from everyone here.

can you start keeping track of foods please? use an app

 

[RUMIN.01_]

can you start keeping track of foods please? use an app

Alright i can start that i do think my estimates with protein and carbs are quite accurate tho

 

[toddthelineman]

Alright i can start that i do think my estimates with protein and carbs are quite accurate tho

More detail will really help. Listen to lev. He REALLY knows what he’s talking about and he’s dedicated to helping people. Countless people. The guy is a gem.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Clinical studies have shown every other day yields the same effects as every day given then total weekly hgh is the same... so I think ill be alr

Wrong.

 

[HarleyGuy]

This study is on adults with confirmed GH deficiency using medical replacement, not healthy users trying to pick an injection schedule. Unless you have low IGF 1 plus stimulation testing or clear pituitary disease, you should assume you are not GH deficient and this does not apply to you. @RUMIN.01_
And if you read the actual study, it's limited because the sample is small, it is short and cross over, and it leans on IGF 1 and body composition instead of real clinical outcomes. Do not make life decisions off an abstract! read the full paper and get proper labs before copying a protocol.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

LOL I just replied to him "wrong" after scrolling through his log then came across this response ... it's much more polite and scientific. So I thought it better to elaborate....

@RUMIN.01_ your regime is a mess at the moment and you haven't been on HGH long enough for it to be doing anything or for you to be upping the dose that high at all or that fast.

I am super proud that you're paying attention to detail with your log and sticking to your guns with this endeavour, keep up the good work. I worry though, and I feel like you actually taking the hgh is what is your motivator for getting to the gym, trying to get your diet more in check, and tracking your training better... therefore, good? (I suppose - despite your age).

A log on EVO doesn't need to involve PED's or HGH. Once you're out of hgh or money or both, can we ask that you keep this tempo up and keep going because I'm liking the progress you're posting and do enjoy reading your log. My advice is to try and be as open as possible and come here first for advice and guidance, then fact check it with AI and pubmed, and not vice versa. You'll find the best advice for you as an individual is what you'll get here as we are getting to know you and your stats/diet habits/training frequency/hgh use. No one in the pubmed study knows anything about you and your body, nor your HGH or IGF1 levels nor does that study translate to you in any lateral way for you to interpret how to dose your hgh. You found ONE study where they look at ED dosing vs. alternate days and that's all it was, was one study. If you're dead set on 'cycling' your hgh then do 5 days on and 2 days off for side effect mitigation and to mitigate hgh receptor desensitization.

Again, I worry you're obsessing about hgh usage and not your diet/training which is what matters the most and should be the topic at hand always.

Most recent example of your hgh focus vs. you just putting in the work:

First noticable change is my bench went from 85 to 90kg today cant exactly say its cos of the hgh

It's 100% NOT the hgh. This is because you're training and on that day you 'believed' you could bench 90kg because you're getting more confident and yes, a bit stronger. HGH is going to take 3-6 months of DAILY (yes, every day dosing) to really start it's magic by keeping IGF1 levels outside and above the high range for that amount of time, let alone see any major body composition changes. The only thing you'll notice in the first 1-4 weeks is better sleep and therefore possibly more energy from that.

Just keep hitting the gym and be open to your caloric intake advice especially macro breakdown and you won't be led astray here.

Caveat: An hgh-only cycle at your age is kind of a waste of your money.

Keep up the log updates nonetheless and great job for hanging in there while we pick apart a lot of your regime and daily routine. You've got thick skin and I respect that.

 

[HarleyGuy]

More detail will really help. Listen to lev. He REALLY knows what he’s talking about and he’s dedicated to helping people. Countless people. The guy is a gem.

He's more than a gem he is "The Entity", he's everywhere! LMAO.

@RUMIN.01_ what's going on bro? At your age and what you're running we need updates. We need macro breakdown and need to know about your water retention. I've never even run 8iu myself except for a peptide mixing experiment and a deep sleep experiment and that was only one instance.

Keep us posted please and like Todd said please listen to @LevButlerov I'm worried you're spending more time on Tik Tok and Reddit than here.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

He's more than a gem he is "The Entity", he's everywhere! LMAO.

@RUMIN.01_ what's going on bro? At your age and what you're running we need updates. We need macro breakdown and need to know about your water retention. I've never even run 8iu myself except for a peptide mixing experiment and a deep sleep experiment and that was only one instance.

Keep us posted please and like Todd said please listen to @LevButlerov I'm worried you're spending more time on Tik Tok and Reddit than here.

I haven't had time to update the log recently but I will do one tn

I have said it a few times this is more of a learning experience for me pinning, dosing etc and I do think many of the people on this forum are too ignorant to be open to something potential different such as alternate day hgh i have experienced no water retention from the hgh no pain in my hand or joints nothing except for minor lethargy

Im going to keep up my current protocol until I have to stop I know that it is probably to no avail because it takes a while for hgh to kick in but I learnt alot from this experience and I dont regret it

 

[CypherOCE]

I haven't had time to update the log recently but I will do one tn

I have said it a few times this is more of a learning experience for me pinning, dosing etc and I do think many of the people on this forum are too ignorant to be open to something potential different such as alternate day hgh i have experienced no water retention from the hgh no pain in my hand or joints nothing except for minor lethargy

Im going to keep up my current protocol until I have to stop I know that it is probably to no avail because it takes a while for hgh to kick in but I learnt alot from this experience and I dont regret it

All of us are open to learning but you aren’t sharing anything that is life changing or worthwhile that we haven’t seen before. Hence why EVERYONE is telling you to stop reading articles that you don’t understand.

You quoted an article that you thought backed your reasoning as to alternate day GH use but it doesn’t.

We have all tried telling you what you’re doing is a waste of time and money. You haven’t listened

It’s good that you’re “learning” but what you think you’re learning are bad habits that include being ignorant to the truth even when it’s told to you.

Everyone here has years of experiences that we all share with each other. You asked, we gave, you chose not to listen.

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 14

I am back i am sorry for the lack of updates but because of new years I couldn't be on my phone much

Despite this i still stuck close to calories and macro goals although I cant give exact amounts on the 31st i know i went over maintenance by abt 300 cals

As for today I will post my macros and calories

Breakfast was scrambled eggs with a protein milkshake, lunch was ravioli with a protein milkshake and dinner was garlic bread because it was all i could eat to fit within my goals

I definetly need to fix the fats if anyone can give some tips i would appreciate

Pinned 8iu tn getting used to all the ins and outs of pinning and Injecting

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 14

I am back i am sorry for the lack of updates but because of new years I couldn't be on my phone much

Despite this i still stuck close to calories and macro goals although I cant give exact amounts on the 31st i know i went over maintenance by abt 300 cals

As for today I will post my macros and calories

Breakfast was scrambled eggs with a protein milkshake, lunch was ravioli with a protein milkshake and dinner was garlic bread because it was all i could eat to fit within my goals

I definetly need to fix the fats if anyone can give some tips i would appreciate

Pinned 8iu tn getting used to all the ins and outs of pinning and Injecting

Good updates you should get some more protein shakes in if you can, you really need to clean up the diet.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Day 14

I am back i am sorry for the lack of updates but because of new years I couldn't be on my phone much

Despite this i still stuck close to calories and macro goals although I cant give exact amounts on the 31st i know i went over maintenance by abt 300 cals

As for today I will post my macros and calories

Breakfast was scrambled eggs with a protein milkshake, lunch was ravioli with a protein milkshake and dinner was garlic bread because it was all i could eat to fit within my goals

I definetly need to fix the fats if anyone can give some tips i would appreciate

Pinned 8iu tn getting used to all the ins and outs of pinning and Injecting

Cut the fat in half, up the carbs and up the protein.
No one is ignorant we are learned on HGH dosing through years of personal experience, anecdotal reports on here as well as research data so this may come across as "stubborn" but really it's because what you're doing has been tried and it offers no additional benefit. In fact, I dose my HGH twice a day (half the daily dose in AM and then half in PM).

You're here to learn as you said so here's some logs that have great examples of how to eat and what to eat:

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...o-50-years-old-and-transformation-log.108526/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

There's a ton of podcasts for you to listen to regarding diet and HGH as well here:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

And we have eBooks for you to learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

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Day 15 sorry for the late update

I am switching my split to anterior posterior and I did a posterior day today felt good strength wise

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 15 sorry for the late update

I am switching my split to anterior posterior and I did a posterior day today felt good strength wise

protein way too low

 

[RUMIN.01_]

Day 16
Posterior day today

Started incorporating bench into my sessions because I want to hit 110kg bench by the end of the year

I pinned 8iu today

Diet wise in didnt hit alot of my goals but I wasnt at home so it was a bit of a struggle to fit it all into an afternoon snack and dinner

 

[LevButlerov]

Day 16
Posterior day today

Started incorporating bench into my sessions because I want to hit 110kg bench by the end of the year

I pinned 8iu today

Diet wise in didnt hit alot of my goals but I wasnt at home so it was a bit of a struggle to fit it all into an afternoon snack and dinner

8 IUs? why so much