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I'm thinking about running these together, do these doses look right?

Pre:
Igf 20-50mcgs
Novolin R 1-5ius

Intra: 30-45 mins after first pin
Igf 20-50mcgs

I'll be sure to eat some complex carbs before the first pin and I have Gatorade on hand. Btw I'm take 10-15mgs of mk677 morning and night. Thanks!

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I am not sure how others will respond to this, but I cringe when I see someone using insulin when BB. Insulin just isn't an anabolic cmpd and personally I believe it is the main cause for why BB's today look so bloated and why the overall aesthetic nature of BB has declined. Its also super dangerous. None of the anabolic steroids can kill you out right, the one thing that can is insulin if used improperly so I just warn you brother. MK and IGF are fine and will produce gains, the insulin IMO will only detract from your overall goals and look. BTW, I am a Pharmacist and I deal with diabetics and BB's often when it comes to insulin so I am not just some high schooler giving you his uneducated opinion.

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I guess the only reason I was gonna use insulin is to drive nutrients into the new cells created via hyperplasia from the igf. And 1-5 ius is extremely manageable, and that dose won't cause bloating. Btw I'd start with 1 iu and move to 5 ius if I wanted to.

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True, that is a low dose and the bloating tends to happen over time with prolonged use. Its just the body releases insulin immediately upon eating and I am sure you drink a post workout shake or eat some type of food. So your body is going to send out enough insulin to push those nutrients into the cells on its own. Insulin is not like test. We use supraphysiologic doses of test to increase muscle mass bc our bodies do not naturally produce enough to make us look like BB. So it makes sense to inj test at higher levels. Our bodies produce enough insulin to cover whatever it is we are eating and will always send out the perfect amount. Its not like inj more insulin will push "even more nutrients" into the cells. Inj insulin would be like inj 100mg of test per week, which is basically enough test to cause your body to stop making it and then introducing the same amount as your body would natrually make.

Tio me there are only downsides to using it but if you do decide to you have to be super careful, bc one wrong dose and youre in a coma.
 
Mobster said:
What I saw was a post about drugs. The OP might weigh 100lbs wet and we don't know. He might have never used any drugs ever and we don't know. This is why the more info the better.
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Sorry about that! I'm 20 year old male I currently weigh 240lbs and I'm cutting down to 190 (I used to weigh 325 lbs last January but I took a break from cutting). I was just thinking about this, and wanted input on it. I wouldn't be starting any of this until after I got down to 190 I just had read a bit on it. Unless you guys think igf would have a place in a cut.

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The only ped I've ever used was mk677 for surgery recovery and it worked wonders!
I know enough to know i shouldn't use any anabolics that cause suppression.

I was watching YouTube on GH and I started to learn more about igf and it's uses and the fact that igf des is not involved in a negative feedback loop (correct me if I'm wrong). I'm thinking the igf would help me build some muscle and also help my ankle heal from surgery faster.

I've also looked into insulin as well and as long as one pays attention to blood sugar, insulin sensitivity, and fat gain it seems to be a very safe compound to me. But I don't think it's needed.

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Hamstone2493 said:
Sorry. I would use it for a pretty clean bulk, cause I don't wanna he this big ever again lol

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Ok. So next question (others will be more specific on the actual drugs): what's your diet and training like. Giving advice on drugs can be easy. The issue is advising you on drugs without asking you about the other aspects is to not want the best for a member. I get asked about drugs (not just drugs of course) in my local gym and I can see, just by looking, what their training is like. I can ask about their food intake and then any drug advice becomes useful. There are great fellas there doing daft things lol
 
you don't need anything at 20 years old except to clean up your lifestyle

1. throw all your video games in the trash or better yet donate them
2. no more tv for you.
3. exercise 2 hours a day
4. eat in a 500 calorie deficit everyday, you don't need a cheat meal

these are simple ways to lose weight. not sure who the moron was who recommended you use insulin, probably some guru off meso or something
 
Lots of Great Advice already given.

Not a Fan of Insulin, have lost friends, who didn't understand it's Complexity.

Sounds like you were Overweight at one time and want to avoid that, I applaud your Attitude.
You just need to make some Smart Choices, in your Training, and your Diet is Key.

Myfitnesspal is a Free Diet Tracking App for Computers and Smartphones.
It will Track your Carbs/Fat/Protein/Sugar/Salt/and daily Water Intake.
This will be a big help in Monitoring your Calorie Intake................................ JP
P.S.
At 20 years old, you haven't reached your Peak Natural Test Levels yet.
You have at least 5 years, so you can make some Great Gains ~ Au' Natural.
 
I'm currently in keto while doing intermittent fasting so, I eat
220gs of protein
30gs of carbs
60gs of fat (mostly from coconut cause I cook with it)
I already have a macro counting app.

I've been working out for 7 years now, but since I had ankle surgery training lower body has been limited to leg ext, light deads etc.

I do fasted cardio every day in the morning for 30mins.

I lift Tris and chest/back and bis/legs and shoulders, twice so 6 days if training.

I switch rep ranges every 4 weeks, so I do 4 weeks of higher reps 4x12, then one week of 3x8, and two weeks of 5x5 , and then I go back to 4x12.

I wish I had this magical young guy great test but my total test is 440ng/DL and my free test is 13.24 ng/dl. I have already asked my Dr but he doesn't think it's low enough to do anything, and I don't know if I want to be on trt, but that being said I am sleeping enough, and getting the proper micronutrients. I did get labs done from when I was 325lbs and my total test was 409ng/dl, so maybe when I get down to a truly healthy weight my test will rise.

Here are a few stats of me currently and then my LIFETIME P R.
Bench
C: 315 LPR: 345
Squat:
C:na LPR: 585
Dead:
C:na LPR: 525

So I have some pretty decent genetics for strength but my hormones are kind of in the crapper. That's why I've been looking into these drugs, because I love the gym and I want to get more muscle without any nasty side effects, so I WONT do insulin due the weight gain and hypoglycemia, but I still don't see why igf des would be a bad idea.


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^^^ i think you are too smart for your own good

worrying about your hormones is a mind-fuck

when i was 20 i NEVER even thought about testing my hormones, i was worried about real life problems... the problem with your generation is you have TOO MUCH INFORMATION at your fingertips. and that isn't always a good thing

don't listen to idiots like greg valentino who tell you that your hormones peaked at your age, these guys have no clue what they are talking about ... when you get into better shape your hormones will improve, and JP is 100% right.. it is NOT TRUE your hormones peak in your late teens or even at 20. they peak in your 20's, right now they are CHANGING still.. not the same thing as peaking. your numbers could literally jump 200-300 points in the next year by simply improving your lifestyle and allowing yourself to mature
 
When I was 20 I didn’t care for steriods. Being natural was the main goal. First don’t worry about your drugs. Get your diet in check. I never ever used insulin in my life your 20 stop being naive and grow up.


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bam_dice said:
When I was 20 I didn’t care for steriods. Being natural was the main goal. First don’t worry about your drugs. Get your diet in check. I never ever used insulin in my life your 20 stop being naive and grow up.


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My diets in order. That's how I've lost almost 100 lbs in a year, and maintained alot of my strength.

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bam_dice said:
Btw gaining muscle doesn’t happen overnight.


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Thanks Captain obvious. I've spent enough time in the gym to know it takes consistent effort over years to reap real results. And I was just asking for some advice about a compound I was beginning to learn about, I wasn't trying to get high roaded by random members who can't fathom a hard-working person who's not at least 30 years old.

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Honestly I don't think you are eating enough. Only 1500 calories at your weight is not much.

As for the compounds, I would start off with much safer things when you eventually get into PEDs. I would wait until you get down to your goal weight of 190lbs before making any decisions because depending how you look, your goals may change.
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
Honestly I don't think you are eating enough. Only 1500 calories at your weight is not much.

As for the compounds, I would start off with much safer things when you eventually get into PEDs. I would wait until you get down to your goal weight of 190lbs before making any decisions because depending how you look, your goals may change.
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Do you think I should eat more fats? I just wanna lose that 50 lbs fast

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Hamstone2493 said:
Do you think I should eat more fats? I just wanna lose that 50 lbs fast

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That might be the best option for you. There is also room to add more carbs too if you need to. 30g carbs is really low. Low carb can be the fastest way to lose weight but it isn't sustainable for everyone. You have plenty of protein so I would look at the fat and protein for the increase.

Also you could try increasing calories for 6 days per week and do 1 day per week of fasting where you only drink water. That is also very beneficial for health as well as losing fat.
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
That might be the best option for you. There is also room to add more carbs too if you need to. 30g carbs is really low. Low carb can be the fastest way to lose weight but it isn't sustainable for everyone. You have plenty of protein so I would look at the fat and protein for the increase.

Also you could try increasing calories for 6 days per week and do 1 day per week of fasting where you only drink water. That is also very beneficial for health as well as losing fat.
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Thanks! Will do!

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