MASTERON

[simpler]

I actually joined yesterday and have been reading through some posts. I'm kind of amazed by how many are using Masteron illogically in situations where it will provide no benefits at all except waste $.

Masteron is a great drug for two specific things only. First off it's a HORRIBLE muscle builder and if used for that you would be better with creatine.
Only times MASTERON should be used is when your bf is about 6% or lower, your PRECONTEST. On that situation as ripped as you already are MASTERON being a pure DHT drug should take you from ripped to even more so.


Second reason I can make sense is if you're a model doing a photo shoot with super low body fat. Again your body fat 7% 6% 5%, and you add Masteron it's going to make you look that much better. However other an those two specific situations no one has any reason to using it

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I actually joined yesterday and have been reading through some posts. I'm kind of amazed by how many are using Masteron illogically in situations where it will provide no benefits at all except waste $.

Masteron is a great drug for two specific things only. First off it's a HORRIBLE muscle builder and if used for that you would be better with creatine.
Only times MASTERON should be used is when your bf is about 6% or lower, your PRECONTEST. On that situation as ripped as you already are MASTERON being a pure DHT drug should take you from ripped to even more so.


Second reason I can make sense is if you're a model doing a photo shoot with super low body fat. Again your body fat 7% 6% 5%, and you add Masteron it's going to make you look that much better. However other an those two specific situations no one has any reason to using it

@simpler welcome to the EVO family. Though I see you have some issues with members already i saw in another thread, please keep polite and cordial so we can stay positive.

Masteron is the most misunderstood steroid in the world, so I'm not surprised. Many guys are not using it right.

 

[Mobster]

I actually joined yesterday and have been reading through some posts. I'm kind of amazed by how many are using Masteron illogically in situations where it will provide no benefits at all except waste $.

Masteron is a great drug for two specific things only. First off it's a HORRIBLE muscle builder and if used for that you would be better with creatine.
Only times MASTERON should be used is when your bf is about 6% or lower, your PRECONTEST. On that situation as ripped as you already are MASTERON being a pure DHT drug should take you from ripped to even more so.


Second reason I can make sense is if you're a model doing a photo shoot with super low body fat. Again your body fat 7% 6% 5%, and you add Masteron it's going to make you look that much better. However other an those two specific situations no one has any reason to using it

Almost. But not quite.

I agree with the why bother at a higher bodyfat - zero point hardening what can't be seen.

But it DOES help with free test (although I'd say proviron is better)

 

[HybridLabs]

Mast can absolute be an effective muscle builder.

Saying otherwise just shows a huge lack of knowledge of how steroids work.

Masteron builds muscle the exact same way all steroids build muscle. By binding to muscle cell androgen receptors and causing an increase in muscle protein synthesis. Mast does this the same way test, primo, deca, anavar, Winny, Eq etc does this.

It may be slightly less anabolic (meaning causing less protein synthesis) than some steroids but likely not by much at all. Many of the top minds in PEDs say that all steroids build muscle at similar rates including masteron. Guys like Broderick Chavez, Alex Kikel etc for example. And these are some of the smartest and most experienced coaches on earth.

Some of the best muscle growth bulking cycles I have ever had were using plain old test and high mast. The hardening effect of mast is just an extra effect is has that makes it effective for competing bodybuilders at show prep time.

Mast is also a great drug for strength athletes. I know plenty of powerlifters that love using mast as it can have really positive effects on neural drive causing an increase in force production.

Saying creatine would be a better muscle builder is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this forum.

 

[Pigsy]

Mast can absolute be an effective muscle builder.

Saying otherwise just shows a huge lack of knowledge of how steroids work.

Masteron builds muscle the exact same way all steroids build muscle. By binding to muscle cell androgen receptors and causing an increase in muscle protein synthesis. Mast does this the same way test, primo, deca, anavar, Winny, Eq etc does this.

It may be slightly less anabolic (meaning causing less protein synthesis) than some steroids but likely not by much at all. Many of the top minds in PEDs say that all steroids build muscle at similar rates including masteron. Guys like Broderick Chavez, Alex Kikel etc for example. And these are some of the smartest and most experienced coaches on earth.

Some of the best muscle growth bulking cycles I have ever had were using plain old test and high mast. The hardening effect of mast is just an extra effect is has that makes it effective for competing bodybuilders at show prep time.

Mast is also a great drug for strength athletes. I know plenty of powerlifters that love using mast as it can have really positive effects on neural drive causing an increase in force production.

Saying creatine would be a better muscle builder is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this forum.

Have to agree with @HybridLabs here

 

[stevesmi]

i agree with everyone above in a lot of ways including the OP.

masteron doesn't just have to be about Aesthetics though. i has other benefits in an addition to a cycle. but i generally agree you should be under 10% to enjoy the aesthetic benefits

 

[Mobster]

Hybrid et al ARE correct. But if we take that view then there are better options and no one needs to be stuck with worse options (back in the day we made do with what was available). The issue here is that we DO see a LOT of 'I wanna get lean' or 'I wanna harden up' posts talk about cycling with Masteron. And a LOT of the time they are 15-20% body-fat. I wouldn't call it, as did the OP, a 'horrible muscle builder'. Just not the best

As I said, and it comes in as a preferred second choice with proviron being the best, it is GREAT at increasing FREE TEST. If that's why it's being used I'd run it at a low dose (maybe circa 100mg a week) and use a better choice or choices for adding muscle.

More on the hardening. Arguably the best - IF bodyfat is low. In top pros, and I'm thinking Yates here, if they do well on it you get that grainy/gnarly look.

 

[Mobster]

Mast can absolute be an effective muscle builder.

Saying otherwise just shows a huge lack of knowledge of how steroids work.

Masteron builds muscle the exact same way all steroids build muscle. By binding to muscle cell androgen receptors and causing an increase in muscle protein synthesis. Mast does this the same way test, primo, deca, anavar, Winny, Eq etc does this.

It may be slightly less anabolic (meaning causing less protein synthesis) than some steroids but likely not by much at all. Many of the top minds in PEDs say that all steroids build muscle at similar rates including masteron. Guys like Broderick Chavez, Alex Kikel etc for example. And these are some of the smartest and most experienced coaches on earth.

Some of the best muscle growth bulking cycles I have ever had were using plain old test and high mast. The hardening effect of mast is just an extra effect is has that makes it effective for competing bodybuilders at show prep time.

Mast is also a great drug for strength athletes. I know plenty of powerlifters that love using mast as it can have really positive effects on neural drive causing an increase in force production.

Saying creatine would be a better muscle builder is one of the stupidest things I have ever read on this forum.

I might look at that. A stronger 'signal' MIGHT mean more fibre engagement. There might also be an argument to be made for it doing so with less sides than some of the harsher PEDs used by lifters.

I did lol on the creatine. It doesn't build muscle in and of itself. Far better as a cell volumizer (pulls water into the muscle) and, of course, via ATP etc, means a little bit more lifted and or more reps. That's what helps add muscle. But if you sat there and did nothing there's no new muscle whereas AAS CAN add muscle without training (2-3lbs in untrained users). There is, of course, with both AAS and Creatine, increases in glycogen uptake, water in the cell, better neural signalling (see other reply) etc

 

[simpler]

@simpler welcome to the EVO family. Though I see you have some issues with members already i saw in another thread, please keep polite and cordial so we can stay positive.

Masteron is the most misunderstood steroid in the world, so I'm not surprised. Many guys are not using it right.

I'm really sorry if I came across abrasive because I do not mean to. I've just been involved in bodybuilding at a fairly high level for 35+years. Over that much time, I was also a very good national level competitor and I trained most of my life at Diamond gym in NJ. If youre versed in Bodybuilding you should recognize the name Diamond and what it stands for in East coast bodybuilding.

Really I just want to help, I know I get worked up and don't put things the correct way to get through to someone but if someone writes an example of a cycle they are doing no matter nutrition, training or drugs that I know is about useless I find it hard to not just be straight forward with the person. For example, "Yo, you may as well flush your $ own the toilet", not exactly a good way to approach something. I agree but, really. After all these years I know how hard a sport Bodybuilding is, I also know how many guys out there that are clueless that hold themselves out as local gurus of some kind with no real credentials or no real personal experience .. Taking gullible people's hard earned $ and making them 0 progress. That alone gets me riled up because it's so prevalent and just so wrong.

Bodybuilding, at a decent level and to actually be a coach who is able to indicidulize each clients program based on their body type.their goals, their metabolism and experience doesn't matter if it's diet training, drugs or all three. A dead giveaway always is a guy who is a pure fake scam artist is the dude who hands you a generic plan he gives to everyone. Anyone does that run other way. Training people correctly if for a contest or just because they want to look better ALWAYS has to
include a very individualized plan based on that person, not the other 5 guys your training. The reason hese joker's do it that way is to do it correctly is f***ing hard and to be successful helping someone purely based on their individual needs you truly have to know exactly what you are doing. Again, because this shit is just fuckin hard. The diet is hard, the training is hard and putting together an effective drug regiment is just as hard.

Last kid I trained for a contest did a regional contest in the classic physique. He was only 20 at the time and came to me 16 weeks out dieting like he had 3 wks to go. First thing I told him is you keep this up till this contest you will look exactly like a swimmer. I had to change everything he was doing. Luckily he listened, we pretty much started from scratch and the progress he made over the next 16 weeks was fairly amazing. He finished 2cnd out of 14 guys and was youngest in his class. But most important, when he got on stage he looked the absolute best he could have at the time. Personally I thought he had it won but I didn't have the time to go over posing with him and he messed that up horribly. Even the judges told him that's what pur him 2cnd. I'm always proud, no matter how someone does, when I can look at them morning of contest and know they listened, didn't cheat and didn't decide they had me but knew better anyway. He was a pleasure to train.
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Again the guy that got pissed at me I wish I came across better because what he's doing is hurting him more than helping and I could fix him in a month or two. Also, I never charge anyone anything. I love bodybuilding and I love helping a motivated guy or girl get into their best shape. Plus I had a very good career outside of bodybuilding and do not need the money.

Last thing in addition to the kid I told you about two years ago I started training a girl for her first bikini contests. Again a pleasure to work with because she listened and did everything I told her. First year she won all three contests she entered. Second year she turned pro at the USA.


If the guy reads this I apologize man and would be willing to make it right.

 

[HybridLabs]

I might look at that. A stronger 'signal' MIGHT mean more fibre engagement. There might also be an argument to be made for it doing so with less sides than some of the harsher PEDs used by lifters.

I did lol on the creatine. It doesn't build muscle in and of itself. Far better as a cell volumizer (pulls water into the muscle) and, of course, via ATP etc, means a little bit more lifted and or more reps. That's what helps add muscle. But if you sat there and did nothing there's no new muscle whereas AAS CAN add muscle without training (2-3lbs in untrained users). There is, of course, with both AAS and Creatine, increases in glycogen uptake, water in the cell, better neural signalling (see other reply) etc

If you do give mast a try with your strength work let me know bro.

I know heaps of guys who swear by it for powerlifting. Can be really good for guys in the lighter weight classes also who aren't trying to hold too much water weight.

 

[Mobster]

If you do give mast a try with your strength work let me know bro.

I know heaps of guys who swear by it for powerlifting. Can be really good for guys in the lighter weight classes also who aren't trying to hold too much water weight.

Unfortunately I've always (or almost always) competed in the open class where bodyweight was only ever an issue if we had a tie breaker. I was even at the top end towards class weights back at the start. Now I'd be classed as a super heavy (used to be 140kg+ but nowadays they start at 125kg+. I'm close to 150kg at the time of writing)

 

[JasonPriest]

I don't think most of us recommend it the way you are saying
most of us agree with you

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro masteron gotta be ran with tren
pure and simple

 

[Quadsweep]

6% body fat is really low
I think 11% would be the max

 

[Austin316]

i have alot of respect for you starting this thread
I think you make some great points

 

[sambee38]

masteron isn't better then winstrol anyway
if you really want to shred down that is

 

[BookerTNY]

I think that you can get good results on any steroid
it really just depends on what you're looking for

 

[Arabian]

masteron works great but don't run it too high
you can try 500mgs

 

[Zyglamail]

proviron would make more sense
Since it's an oral and it's not liver toxic as much as others

 

[Shrine]

you make some good points in this thread
I think everybody has some good information