Need help with eq and ai!!

shmong · Mar 3, 2026

I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

jerseyshoremuscles · Mar 3, 2026

Curious why do you think you have elevated e2. What are the symptoms?

Fyi
Before I started doing frequent blood work i thought I Always had high e2 because I always had minimal gyno. The blood work confirmed i had high prolactin levels and that caused my gyno.

Anastrozole and eq will crush your e2.

I recommend doing frequent blood work and it takes the guessing game off the table

shmong · Mar 3, 2026

How frequent do you do your blood work? So maybe drop the AI on first pin of eq and run labs in a few weeks and see where im at?
I'm a high aromatizer even in trt 200mg at a clinic I needed 1.5 mg of arimidex a week

LevButlerov · Mar 3, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

shmong said:
How frequent do you do your blood work? So maybe drop the AI on first pin of eq and run labs in a few weeks and see where im at?
I'm a high aromatizer even in trt 200mg at a clinic I needed 1.5 mg of arimidex a week

welcome to the EVO family

@shmong
EQ does not act like a real AI and any estrogen lowering effect is slow because EQ builds slowly, so you do not drop Arimidex on the 1st pin and expect EQ to cover e2.
If you are already a high aromatizer, keep your current AI steady at first and only adjust based on symptoms and bloods, and most guys check labs about 4-6 weeks after adding EQ then again after any change. Though I would use aromasin tbh not arimidex.

You need a full log up since you’re already on test with AI and adding EQ, we need your doses, pin schedule, bodyweight, diet, sleep, and full labs to guide this safely because guessing AI changes is how e2 gets wrecked. 15min of your time to start. easy!

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

stevesmi · Mar 3, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

I found that the Americans don't have that type of issue with EQ. It seems to be an Australian thing. Just different metabolic bodies, in my opinion. I've never heard of an American having low estrogen from using EQ.

Pigsy · Mar 3, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

Around the 4 week mark. Be careful using eq higher than test. Not to crush your e2

Pigsy · Mar 3, 2026

stevesmi said:
I found that the Americans don't have that type of issue with EQ. It seems to be an Australian thing. Just different metabolic bodies, in my opinion. I've never heard of an American having low estrogen from using EQ.

Strange brother. Seen a few American YouTube podcasts lately, with there clients smashing there e2 from eq

Demon_throne · Mar 3, 2026

Pigsy said:
Strange brother. Seen a few American YouTube podcasts lately, with there clients smashing there e2 from eq

Americans also don't use HGH the way we do so lower e2 for a lot probably isnt as concerning. That or they get the standard one and don't get a sensitive test to tell the difference between e1 and e2

Phill · Mar 4, 2026

It’s very subjective.

Personally, I’ve never had that anti-AI effect, and I’ve run EQ at much higher doses compared to testosterone.

The only thing I can really suggest is to get bloodwork done, keep an AI on hand, and use it only if needed.

Mobster · Mar 4, 2026

Estrogen issues are as often as not worse based on a persons condition including, for example, bodyfat. Start with info on YOU

stevesmi · Mar 4, 2026

Pigsy said:
Strange brother. Seen a few American YouTube podcasts lately, with there clients smashing there e2 from eq

No clue.

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Been on ef since the 2000s and you won’t see a person with that issue ever with eq. And I’ve used it more then any steroid and zero issues

ceo · Mar 4, 2026

bros too many people worried about low estrogen. in USA we always obsessed with high estrogen. i had gyno scares a few times in the past even with test + EQ

Ulter · Mar 4, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

At the end of the day everybody is going to be different. Only blood work can tell you the truth as to what's going on so that's what you need to do: experiment a little bit.

ROIDDERS · Mar 4, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

Get blood work done during cycle; that will tell you the truth. We can only speculate on how your body reacts to estrogen

2Thick · Mar 4, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

EQ is fantastic. You're never gonna go wrong using it. I think that the estrogen thing should be the least of your concerns though. Just go and enjoy it and stop stressing out over things.

jerseyshoremuscles · Mar 4, 2026

With estrogen it has balanced with testosterone to feel good.

I feel best with higher estrogen levels, but I look my best when my estrogen is on the lower side.

My test dose is around 300mg a wk and I do not use any ai. I like Proviron

Mobster · Mar 4, 2026

ceo said:
bros too many people worried about low estrogen. in USA we always obsessed with high estrogen. i had gyno scares a few times in the past even with test + EQ

@stevesmi and I discussed the same issue on 2-3 podcasts. Overall we suspect most US, as per citizens as well as athletes, tend to carry a little more fat etc than Australians. Ergo more chance of E2 issues

HarleyGuy · Mar 4, 2026

shmong said:
I can't seem to find any answers online. I know it's different for everybody and I can't get an exact answer but any info will help.

How long will it take for EQ to start having AI effects? When I'm on 450 test I need arimidex but I was going to add 600 EQ. I know EQ can take weeks to build up in system but do the AI effects take weeks too meaning should I continue arimidex for a little before I drop it or will I need to drop arimidex on my first EQ pin??

@Mobster and @stevesmi discuss EQ at length on several podcasts and we have an EQ megathread here: EQ megathread

Ultimately you'll need to start a log and post bloodwork showing us that EQ truly doesn't work for you including your EQ dose vs. Test, because ultimately don't you want to hone in on your proper dose of EQ and see if it's really not helping your e2 and use bloodwork to determine this? The general broad scope answer is that most people running more EQ than Test would find their e2 levels absolutely crushed (see EQ megathread).

Check the how-to that @LevButlerov provided and let's get you on board with a log.

You can learn more about EQ and it's mitigation of e2 around the 20 minute mark here:

ballin2504 · Mar 4, 2026

It’s never really helped my e2 and I’ve ran it multiple times.

Pigsy · Mar 4, 2026

stevesmi said:
No clue. .
Been on ef since the 2000s and you won’t see a person with that issue ever with eq. And I’ve used it more then any steroid and zero issues

Like I said. I've seen over 100 bloodworks. And its very effective lowering E2. As you can see by all the Aussie logs. And lately seeing it come up by US coaches seeing the same thing.

Dreamer · Mar 4, 2026

I had 300-350 pmol e2 on legit trt 175mg dose a week repeated , could never control it - I am quite lean so BF isnt the issue.

Running 600, 800 and 900 test and 400 eq I had 3 LCMS readings of 21, 52 and 74. - Felt terrible, I am now at 1200 and feeling human again.

It is real and if I was to advise - start eq low and do lcms bloods

stevesmi · Mar 4, 2026

Pigsy said:
Like I said. I've seen over 100 bloodworks. And its very effective lowering E2. As you can see by all the Aussie logs. And lately seeing it come up by US coaches seeing the same thing.

yes i've seen it happen with aussies. i believe it. its the way you all are built

but i myself have used it more then any other steroid and have never had that issue nor seen it on the american dominated forums over the years where EQ causes low estrogen problems

i've had american clients get gyno from JUST 100-125mgs a week of test. even with an AI! our bodies are not the same i am sure of it. we are much more prone to high estrogen issues while you all are prone to low estrogen

as far s the US online guru coaches.. they are just cookie cutters to me, 99% of them just parrot the same shit they see. i got zero respect for those clickbait clowns. there are a couple guys i respect, but the vast majority are a joke to me. a lot of them never even completed high school education levels. they are dumb as a box of rocks and can't even spell the word estrogen

Pigsy · Mar 4, 2026

stevesmi said:
yes i've seen it happen with aussies. i believe it. its the way you all are built

but i myself have used it more then any other steroid and have never had that issue nor seen it on the american dominated forums over the years where EQ causes low estrogen problems

i've had american clients get gyno from JUST 100-125mgs a week of test. even with an AI! our bodies are not the same i am sure of it. we are much more prone to high estrogen issues while you all are prone to low estrogen

as far s the US online guru coaches.. they are just cookie cutters to me, 99% of them just parrot the same shit they see. i got zero respect for those clickbait clowns. there are a couple guys i respect, but the vast majority are a joke to me. a lot of them never even completed high school education levels. they are dumb as a box of rocks and can't even spell the word estrogen

Personally, I would still start on the lower side with eq. Get blood tests and adjust from there.

Pigsy · Mar 4, 2026

stevesmi said:
yes i've seen it happen with aussies. i believe it. its the way you all are built

but i myself have used it more then any other steroid and have never had that issue nor seen it on the american dominated forums over the years where EQ causes low estrogen problems

i've had american clients get gyno from JUST 100-125mgs a week of test. even with an AI! our bodies are not the same i am sure of it. we are much more prone to high estrogen issues while you all are prone to low estrogen

as far s the US online guru coaches.. they are just cookie cutters to me, 99% of them just parrot the same shit they see. i got zero respect for those clickbait clowns. there are a couple guys i respect, but the vast majority are a joke to me. a lot of them never even completed high school education levels. they are dumb as a box of rocks and can't even spell the word estrogen

It's good we have this platform to disagree on subjects like this. And discuss them.

stevesmi · Mar 4, 2026

Pigsy said:
It's good we have this platform to disagree on subjects like this. And discuss them.

yes and all our bodies are different. there really isn't a black and white answer to estrogen. some dudes get gyno at 14 just from puberty. and some dudes can run 2000mgs of test and dbol and not have estrogen issues.
so its up to the individual to figure it out

Pigsy · Mar 4, 2026

stevesmi said:
yes and all our bodies are different. there really isn't a black and white answer to estrogen. some dudes get gyno at 14 just from puberty. and some dudes can run 2000mgs of test and dbol and not have estrogen issues.
so its up to the individual to figure it out

Exactly. That's why we beat on the blood testing drum. Nice and loud

ceo · Mar 4, 2026

Mobster said:
@stevesmi and I discussed the same issue on 2-3 podcasts. Overall we suspect most US, as per citizens as well as athletes, tend to carry a little more fat etc than Australians. Ergo more chance of E2 issues

Bros, that could be the issue.

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