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Overlapping Cycles Test & NPP and Test & EQ?

Garrj3

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Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
You can switch right over but why? Don’t you want to give your body a break? With eq your gonna want to run a 14 week min cycle so that would put you over 6 months on cycle. Not great for health.
Why not drop back to a low TRT dose of test for a few months to give your body a a rest and then hit it hard again?
 
SGentz is correct. It's a no. It's one thing, bad enough in and of itself IMO to 'blast and cruise'. It's another, as you'd be doing, to 'blast' for 26 weeks.

Even the sense of 'what I have left' (NPP) being needed to be used rather tan just stopping.

Also why are you using the shorter estered NPP and then running it for 12-16 weeks? If there's an argument to be made for it clearing the system quicker you'll negate that by going straight into another cycle
 
I had concerns and is why I was asking. I appreciate both answers.

Why NPP? My body has reacted well to it with no sides. It is a pain pinning eod but it works. Last year did similar cycle 400&200 and felt I left a little on the table with only 12 weeks of NPP.

While on NPP I’ve gained a little mass and would like to cut now. IMO is why I was going to flip to EQ right away for a lean cut.

Cruise cycle of TRT won’t diminish the NPP cycle?
 
While on NPP I’ve gained a little mass and would like to cut now. IMO is why I was going to flip to EQ right away for a lean cut.
You don't need to do a cycle to cut. TRT dose and good diet/cardio are the key.

Cruise cycle of TRT won’t diminish the NPP cycle?
Not at all. Why would it? You made your gaines now back off the drugs and tighten back up.
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
welcome back to the EVO family :D @Garrj3
what happened to your log? you started and no updates?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-proviron-npp-cycle-log.104577/
its now really hard to say anything you're getting blind advice imo

in theory, you can overlap the switch cleanly since both are long esters, but in reality hard today.
That transition should avoid a dip in anabolism, but you will need bloods with it.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
I mean, you can do what you want. It's your body. Just keep in mind if you don't give your body a break, your blood will continue to thicken. Your red blood cell count will continue to go up. You can end up really opening yourself up for a stroke. Also your kidneys will take a beating.
 
welcome back to the EVO family :D @Garrj3
what happened to your log? you started and no updates?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-proviron-npp-cycle-log.104577/
its now really hard to say anything you're getting blind advice imo

in theory, you can overlap the switch cleanly since both are long esters, but in reality hard today.
That transition should avoid a dip in anabolism, but you will need bloods with it.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @toddthelineman @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @s.gentz
It is a long time to be pushing it brother, i currently have overlapped cycles into where im at now. As @LevButlerov said bloodwork will give you the green light to go or not.
Dont just send it without any indication of where your health is at 🤜🏼🤛🏼
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
What you're describing is just blasting for a long period of time. It's not healthy at all for your organs.
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
At the end of the day it's your body. If you want to abuse yourself then go for it. Many of us on here have done it. So it would be hypocritical for me to say anything else.
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
At the end of the day. You've got to understand what goes on in your body when you use steroids. The more you abuse them, the more damage you'll do.
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
bros before my plumbing accident i was blasting hard year round. but i think it will bite you in the ass
You should take a break and then hop on another cycle after about 12 weeks.
 
Thoughts on overlapping cycles. Currently on week 12 of Test C and NPP (500 & 250 week). I have about 3-4 weeks left of NPP and then plan to roll into Test C and Eq (500 & 400 week).

Should I finish one to before I start another? I do plan on getting blood work prior to Eq cycle to have something to gauge off of.

Thanks in advance!
I wouldn't do this but get bloodwork, post it, and come back and ask the same question.
I was on high doses (nothing like my log) before prison for about 6 months, bloodwork was shit, in prison they said I only needed 100mg every two weeks and when I got out my bloods were textbook except my T was super low. So taking time off is definitely worth it.

Oh, and welcome back @Garrj3
 
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Me personally I’d cruise on test for a bit and get bloods checked then roll into it
 
Truth hurts sometimes but yeah I’ll set myself up to cruise.
You should make a log update and put the results of this thread and your log in general (since May) in it so your log is comprehensive. You can close out your log also but you can continue your log by updating how TRT is going and giving us an updated weight and diet/training, etc.
 
Quick update to sign off with. Bloods came back decent:
HDL is a smidge low at 39. Same for T4.
Test is 1970 and 610
Estradiol is 92.
Long story short I’m gonna wrap this up and take a break till the new year. Happy holidays all!
post the bloods with ranges please @Garrj3
 
post the bloods with ranges please @Garrj3
All other markers were good.
HDL CHOLESTEROL
39 L
Reference Range: > OR = 40 mg/dL
T4 (THYROXINE), TOTAL
3.9 L
Reference Range: 4.9-10.5 mcg/dL
FREE T4 INDEX (T7)
1.3 L
Reference Range: 1.4-3.8
FSH
<0.7 L
Reference Range: 1.4-12.8 mIU/mL
LH
0.2 L
Reference Range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL
CALCIUM
8.5 L
Reference Range: 8.6-10.3 mg/dL
ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS
92 H
Reference Range: < OR = 29 pg/mL
TESTOSTERONE, FREE (DIALYSIS) AND TOTAL,MS
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS
1969 H
Reference Range: 250-1100 ng/dL
TESTOSTERONE, FREE
616.3 H
Reference Range: 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
 
All other markers were good.
HDL CHOLESTEROL
39 L
Reference Range: > OR = 40 mg/dL
T4 (THYROXINE), TOTAL
3.9 L
Reference Range: 4.9-10.5 mcg/dL
FREE T4 INDEX (T7)
1.3 L
Reference Range: 1.4-3.8
FSH
<0.7 L
Reference Range: 1.4-12.8 mIU/mL
LH
0.2 L
Reference Range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL
CALCIUM
8.5 L
Reference Range: 8.6-10.3 mg/dL
ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS
92 H
Reference Range: < OR = 29 pg/mL
TESTOSTERONE, FREE (DIALYSIS) AND TOTAL,MS
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS
1969 H
Reference Range: 250-1100 ng/dL
TESTOSTERONE, FREE
616.3 H
Reference Range: 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS
92 H
Woa... did you not catch this ⬆️⬆️⬆️
You're 300% over the top range of e2.

You need aromasin asap. If this had been in your log from the get go we'd have caught it already. I wouldn't start 750mgs of androgens next time without using what you have here with EVO. Just 500mgs of Test needs an AI on board with or without another compound (except maybe EQ).
 
All other markers were good.
HDL CHOLESTEROL
39 L
Reference Range: > OR = 40 mg/dL
T4 (THYROXINE), TOTAL
3.9 L
Reference Range: 4.9-10.5 mcg/dL
FREE T4 INDEX (T7)
1.3 L
Reference Range: 1.4-3.8
FSH
<0.7 L
Reference Range: 1.4-12.8 mIU/mL
LH
0.2 L
Reference Range: 1.5-9.3 mIU/mL
CALCIUM
8.5 L
Reference Range: 8.6-10.3 mg/dL
ESTRADIOL,ULTRASENSITIVE, LC/MS
92 H
Reference Range: < OR = 29 pg/mL
TESTOSTERONE, FREE (DIALYSIS) AND TOTAL,MS
TESTOSTERONE, TOTAL, MS
1969 H
Reference Range: 250-1100 ng/dL
TESTOSTERONE, FREE
616.3 H
Reference Range: 35.0-155.0 pg/mL
I meant is it possible to see full paper, copy paste has issues at times Ive seen in past, just blur personal info @Garrj3
 
Woa... did you not catch this ⬆️⬆️⬆️
You're 300% over the top range of e2.

You need aromasin asap. If this had been in your log from the get go we'd have caught it already. I wouldn't start 750mgs of androgens next time without using what you have here with EVO. Just 500mgs of Test needs an AI on board with or without another compound (except maybe EQ).
I appreciate the concern but you must not have read initial post. II was actually ramping up my test dose to begin EQ which drives down E2. I’ve since dropped the test backdown. I’m not going to argue 90 E2 but I will say this is why we get bloodwork and adjust accordingly. My primo cycle once dropped me down to 19 E2 and that I actually felt but once again blood work allowed me to adjust. A log wouldn’t have done anything without the bloodwork.
 

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I appreciate the concern but you must not have read initial post. II was actually ramping up my test dose to begin EQ which drives down E2. I’ve since dropped the test backdown. I’m not going to argue 90 E2 but I will say this is why we get bloodwork and adjust accordingly. My primo cycle once dropped me down to 19 E2 and that I actually felt but once again blood work allowed me to adjust. A log wouldn’t have done anything without the bloodwork.
I can speak for myself that had you posted a 500mg dose of Test in your log without any AI I would have advised you add aromasin at 12.5mg every third day. You could have had your e2 in check for those 12 weeks. High estrogen over prolonged periods as you know can cause gyno but also ED, libido issues, and cardiovascular issues in men. Not to mention it can cause fat redistribution where we don't want it to be (lower back and lower chest.

There's a megathread on how EQ lowers e2 it's a well known but not fully understood behaviour of EQ.
 
I can speak for myself that had you posted a 500mg dose of Test in your log without any AI I would have advised you add aromasin at 12.5mg every third day. You could have had your e2 in check for those 12 weeks. High estrogen over prolonged periods as you know can cause gyno but also ED, libido issues, and cardiovascular issues in men. Not to mention it can cause fat redistribution where we don't want it to be (lower back and lower chest.

There's a megathread on how EQ lowers e2 it's a well known but not fully understood behaviour of EQ.
For discussion purposes only cause I by no means know enough to argue.
2 questions:
Why suggest an AI without knowing if it’s truly needed?
Why not tailor the current cycle prior to adding another substance?
 
Why suggest an AI without knowing if it’s truly needed?
Refer to your bloodwork for this answer. 12.5 aromasin every second day would have had your e2 in check from the beginning. I've never see anyone take half a gram of Test per week and not end up with dangerously high e2 levels, just like you had.

And I don't understand your second question.
 
I’m sorry to hear that brother. I can’t even begin to relate.
yes and i got arrested for throwing her too. luckily the witnesses had mixed stories. so i was able to fly out of there and my lawyer paid the cops off to drop the charges. it was a tough time
 
Refer to your bloodwork for this answer. 12.5 aromasin every second day would have had your e2 in check from the beginning. I've never see anyone take half a gram of Test per week and not end up with dangerously high e2 levels, just like you had.

And I don't understand your second question.
Why not adjust your what your currently taking before adding in aromasin?
 
Why not adjust your what your currently taking before adding in aromasin?
The entire point is your e2 is 300% higher than the maximum range and needs to brought down asap with an AI, not just dealt with using more or less or different steroids. This is entirely what AI's are for otherwise we'd see our bloods and our e2 being 300% higher than max range and never have thought "I should have used an AI on cycle" or "I better get arimidex on board ASAP" or "Next time I'll be adding 12.5 aromasin e2d and instead you're asking if we should default to "I better lower my dose and let me e2 come down"? This is the least effective way to get your e2 in check when it is as high as yours and for what reason, because you're hesitant to take aromasin?

If you want to protocol it that way that's your prerogative dude but when the gyno, cardiovascular issues, and erectile dysfunction all hit hard you'll know why.

In what capacity then would you ever use an AI? You started with 3/4 of a gram of androgens with no AI, then got bloodwork, had your e2 through the roof and still do. At what point would you ever use an AI then?

Again, had I seen your cycle from the start with more updates I would have said immediately to run aromasin with that cycle. See bloodwork for the reason why. And the long answer to your question "Why not adjust what you're currently taking before adding in aromasin?", is that when you don't have bloodwork until the end of your cycle and are running blind it's a no-brainer to run an AI with 750mg of androgens on board every week. The short answer is "science".
 
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This work!
Your estrogen is too high and your thyroid is way off.
How long have you had thyroid issues? @Garrj3

on the e2 issue I'd start with using an Ai now to get it lower as you modify your cycle
 
The entire point is your e2 is 300% higher than the maximum range and needs to brought down asap with an AI, not just dealt with using more or less or different steroids. This is entirely what AI's are for otherwise we'd see our bloods and our e2 being 300% higher than max range and never have thought "I should have used an AI on cycle" or "I better get arimidex on board ASAP" or "Next time I'll be adding 12.5 aromasin e2d and instead you're asking if we should default to "I better lower my dose and let me e2 come down"? This is the least effective way to get your e2 in check when it is as high as yours and for what reason, because you're hesitant to take aromasin?

If you want to protocol it that way that's your prerogative dude but when the gyno, cardiovascular issues, and erectile dysfunction all hit hard you'll know why.

In what capacity then would you ever use an AI? You started with 3/4 of a gram of androgens with no AI, then got bloodwork, had your e2 through the roof and still do. At what point would you ever use an AI then?

Again, had I seen your cycle from the start with more updates I would have said immediately to run aromasin with that cycle. See bloodwork for the reason why. And the long answer to your question "Why not adjust what you're currently taking before adding in aromasin?", is that when you don't have bloodwork until the end of your cycle and are running blind it's a no-brainer to run an AI with 750mg of androgens on board every week. The short answer is "science".
I’m just asking questions and appreciate your effort in explaining to me. Essentially what I did was take a ride to 500 and came right back to reality. Me personally I never been that high and just like others I tested the waters. Primary “visual side effects” was water retention and that was short lived.

Long story short I very much respect the group and am extremely grateful to be here with all of you to learn from your experiences.
 
Your estrogen is too high and your thyroid is way off.
How long have you had thyroid issues? @Garrj3

on the e2 issue I'd start with using an Ai now to get it lower as you modify your cycle
I looked at a few past blood test and it looks it’s maybe been a minute, say June/July. It was T3 and that went away and now it’s what T4? Didn’t appear to be way off but idk. No sides.

As far as the E2 goes, I don’t know if it comes and goes that quick but I believe that was just my ride to 500 Test in October. I’ve since come down and believe it’s gone away too. You can kinda tell, right? I know the 5-10lbs of water retention that I felt is gone.
 
I looked at a few past blood test and it looks it’s maybe been a minute, say June/July. It was T3 and that went away and now it’s what T4? Didn’t appear to be way off but idk. No sides.

As far as the E2 goes, I don’t know if it comes and goes that quick but I believe that was just my ride to 500 Test in October. I’ve since come down and believe it’s gone away too. You can kinda tell, right? I know the 5-10lbs of water retention that I felt is gone.

One more thing… I do not have an AI on hand but it is on the short list to have as needed.
High e2 and thyroid both an issue. you taking thyroid meds now?
and the estrogen will need to be either retested solo or you need to take an ai @Garrj3
 
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