Proviron

[arseel_speed]

Hi guys ...
Dose really proviron needed in cycle as using npp and prop and Aromasin and ect but is it really worth to take I mean when u compare it to hcg genrate which one is better and as part of hardness is really that noticed. .

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[JayDub302]

Hi guys ...
Dose really proviron needed in cycle as using npp and prop and Aromasin and ect but is it really worth to take I mean when u compare it to hcg genrate which one is better and as part of hardness is really that noticed. .

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Proviron is always a great compound to add in my opinion. It is mild and not liver toxic, it has some anti-estrogen properties as well, it has some awesome mental advantages (it has been prescribed for anxiety, depression, low libido, etc.), it greatly increases your libido, it has very few and mild side effects (no sides from my experience up to 100 mgs/day), it causes less bloat while on aromatizing compounds (Test and Nandrolone in your case), and most importantly it is a DHT derivative that not only reduces bloat and increases hardness and vascularity, but it binds very strongly to the SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin - which is a hormone that lowers free testosterone circulating in the body), therefore proviron allows for more free testosterone circulation which will cause all of your AAS compounds to work more effectively.

There are a ton of benefits for not a lot of cost. In terms of comparing proviron to HCGenerate for use while ON cycle for hardness and vascularity, proviron is going to be your best bet. Although some may debate this, I would recommend that you discontinue proviron use when your cycle ends. Then use HCGenerate, or use both while on cycle, but I would not use proviron during PCT because it is a suppressive compound.

As for dosage, start at 25 mgs just to see how your body reacts, (if never taken before), then I would say dose it around 25 mgs in the morning and 25 mgs at night, then possibly take another 25 mgs pre workout. You could even go up to 100 mgs/day, but let your body see how you react to it first. It is very similar to masteron. I personally am not sensitive to dihydrotestosterone related sides, but everyone is different. Check out the article below on Proviron's benefits. I always add proviron to my cycles.... just my 2 cents.

http://www.evolutionary.org/proviron-mesterolone


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[muskate]

What is your goal for taking the proviron? If it's for preventing deca dick -> Deca dick is kind of over blown. You can prevent it by:
1. Running your testosterone dosage higher then the deca. I.e. testosterone at 500mg/week and deca at 300mg/week
2. Use an AI with your cycle to keep estrogen in the low-normal range - aromasin at 10mg EOD
3. Use an anti-prolactin drug to keep prolactin in the low-normal range - cabergoline at 0.25mg EOD

If you do 1-3, you won't experience deca dick. Deca dick is the result of not including a high enough testosterone base in your cycle or high estrogen/prolactin levels.

If you want to increase muscle hardness -> Hardness is the result of low body fat. The lower your body fat, the less fat is covering your muscles and the harder your muscle appear. It's really as simple as that.

Test + npp wouldn't be the best cycle if your goal is muscle hardness because there is a lot of water retention with test and npp. A better cycle would be test + eq or test + primo. Something like that.

HCGenerate won't really increase muscle hardness. HCGenerate is a natural testosterone booster to prevent testicular atrophy and keep suppression of natural testosterone production to a minimum. It does have some natural anti-estrogen and anti-prolactin ingredients in it so you will get a slight increase of muscle hardness from it but nothing dramatic.

You DO however need to use a good natural testosterone booster like HCGenerate ES as part of your PCT protocol. Run the perfect PCT protocol after your cycle and you have nothing to worry about -> http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/

 

[jp4355]

This has been covered pretty thoroughly in the above posts.

I just would like to add.

I haven's done a Cycle since 1978 without Proviron.

Once you try it, you'll come to the same opinion, that it's an Excellent Steroid to add to every cycle................................ JP

 

[Jay Scott]

Proviron helps with the free testosterone. Also a lot of people find benefit from it with libido.

And of course if you are lean in bodyfat, it should give you a sharper look as well

 

[stevesmi]

I totally disagree with trevor above.

and I've said this a million times

if you use a nandrolone it will metabolize to DHN in the body, to combat this you must use a DHT derivative and proviron is a great choice cause it is liver safe.

that is the cause of deca dick. rather than putting a band aid on the problem using anti prolactin drugs, you should fix the root problem which is DHN conversion.

high testosterone use is not enough to combat it, testosterone only converts 5% to DHT. so in theory you would have to run 5000mg a week of testosterone to mimic what proviron will do for you in this case.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Proviron is a great oral to add to any cycle. It basically makes everything you are taking better. Stay moderate with your dose. 50mg is plenty for most people.

 

[arseel_speed]

I only got libido enhanced that's it from proviron didn't use it pervious cycles before but as of now I am not that hard with my little friend so I thought maybe from deca or cuz I am not using proviron

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[mdpasha]

I totally disagree with trevor above.

and I've said this a million times

if you use a nandrolone it will metabolize to DHN in the body, to combat this you must use a DHT derivative and proviron is a great choice cause it is liver safe.

that is the cause of deca dick. rather than putting a band aid on the problem using anti prolactin drugs, you should fix the root problem which is DHN conversion.

high testosterone use is not enough to combat it, testosterone only converts 5% to DHT. so in theory you would have to run 5000mg a week of testosterone to mimic what proviron will do for you in this case.

I totally agree with this concept.A friend of mine is using a cycle of test deca & dbol using all the ancillaries as well as running test higher than deca but 8th week mark he started having libido issues.I suggested him to add proviron 50mg daily and within a week his libido skyrocketed.

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[JayDub302]

This has been covered pretty thoroughly in the above posts.

I just would like to add.

I haven's done a Cycle since 1978 without Proviron.

Once you try it, you'll come to the same opinion, that it's an Excellent Steroid to add to every cycle................................ JP

Agree with 100%. I wasn't even around quite yet in 78', but 38 YEARS of cycles with proviron in every single one? That says something right there. Proviron makes all compounds work better and masteron decreases the sides from Tren and other compounds with harsh side effects. I always include proviron in my cycles. Masteron is proviron's cousin and proviron can be referred to by some as "oral masteron" as they're very similar compounds in molecular structure. Masteron has amazing potential as well, such as its ability to lessen the side effects felt from other compounds that are known to have harsh sides (such as trenbolone, nandrolone, etc.). Anyways, I agree that once you use proviron in a cycle correctly, you will never want to run any cycle without it. Some people agree and some disagree as everyone is different, but for me and a lot of people I know, it's a no brainer for any cycle, from pure mass bulking to hardcore cutting.... I know you have given it a shot once but I would suggest maybe getting it from somewhere else this time and giving it another shot. But when push comes to shove, it really is just all about your body fat and proviron does not directly support body fat loss from my research and experience, but I might be wrong about that bc more free test always means better results....


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[LevButlerov]

Proviron is one of my favorite compounds, both for stacking, and for taking it as a standalone compound. It will improve any cycle by increasing the free testosterone levels, and it barely has any side effects at all. So yes - it would definitely be a great addition to your cycle. 50 mgs per day is the usual dosage, which can either be decreased to 25 mgs per day, or increased to 75 mgs per day. I would not use more than 75 mgs per day - this dosage is plenty to feel the full effects of proviron, and if that is not enough for you, then you should consider using other compounds.

 

[aggirl]

This has been covered pretty thoroughly in the above posts.

I just would like to add.

I haven's done a Cycle since 1978 without Proviron.

Once you try it, you'll come to the same opinion, that it's an Excellent Steroid to add to every cycle................................ JP

Agreed....My husband tried it with his last cycle and now says he will never do a cycle with out it.

 

[JAWS1919]

Can anyone offer an explanation for the following:
I've been off gear for 4 months. My previous (and 1st) cycle was pretty basic: 300mg/week Test Cyp wk 1-10, about 100mg/wk deca as a therapeutic dosage for joints also wk 1-10, Winstrol 50mg/day for weeks 6-12. Typical PCT afterwards and HCG during.
Of course, to be expected, I saw great gains in strength and a bit of lean mass. I kept 100% of strength and gains since - only lifting to maintain everything until 6 days ago when I started 300mg/week of Test Cyp and Proviron at 50mg/day. Yesterday - my squat and leg press were INSANELY strong. 315 x 4 on squat seemed light, and where I usually have 10 plates on each side of the press to go 4x6, yesterday I had 12 plates per side and it seemed like feathers. Today, on bench, where I usually have 245 on the bar to hit 4x4, I had 275 on the bar and ended up going 4x6 because, again, that weight felt like feathers...?
Why, after only 6 days, and considering that Cyp is a long acting, slow uptake esther, are my strength gains seemingly crazy high in proportion to where I'd been for 4 months? Is it possible that the Proviron, in such a short amount of time, just either freed up my current indigenous Test, or can the strength gains be related to something else? I'm not complaining, but I had no expectations of any of this... Would love to hear some feedback or opinions!

 

[Mobster]

Can anyone offer an explanation for the following:
I've been off gear for 4 months. My previous (and 1st) cycle was pretty basic: 300mg/week Test Cyp wk 1-10, about 100mg/wk deca as a therapeutic dosage for joints also wk 1-10, Winstrol 50mg/day for weeks 6-12. Typical PCT afterwards and HCG during.
Of course, to be expected, I saw great gains in strength and a bit of lean mass. I kept 100% of strength and gains since - only lifting to maintain everything until 6 days ago when I started 300mg/week of Test Cyp and Proviron at 50mg/day. Yesterday - my squat and leg press were INSANELY strong. 315 x 4 on squat seemed light, and where I usually have 10 plates on each side of the press to go 4x6, yesterday I had 12 plates per side and it seemed like feathers. Today, on bench, where I usually have 245 on the bar to hit 4x4, I had 275 on the bar and ended up going 4x6 because, again, that weight felt like feathers...?
Why, after only 6 days, and considering that Cyp is a long acting, slow uptake esther, are my strength gains seemingly crazy high in proportion to where I'd been for 4 months? Is it possible that the Proviron, in such a short amount of time, just either freed up my current indigenous Test, or can the strength gains be related to something else? I'm not complaining, but I had no expectations of any of this... Would love to hear some feedback or opinions!

See your other identical post

 

[JAWS1919]

See your other identical post

Thank you for the reply on the other post. My mistake for posting this twice. I originally posted on this page, and then realized the other page was more appropriate. I really appreciate the community support - such a great site for people looking for assistance and knowledge!!

 

[stevesmi]

Thank you for the reply on the other post. My mistake for posting this twice. I originally posted on this page, and then realized the other page was more appropriate. I really appreciate the community support - such a great site for people looking for assistance and knowledge!!

anytime you have a question you can post up a thread, would love to hear it

also if you want us to discuss a question you can get in touch with me (get my attention) and we will discuss/debate it on the podcast.

you can also get in touch with me for a 1 on 1 consultation off the forum

 

[sharase]

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[Seventieschild]

Any dht dirivative with 19 nors is a good addition.

 

[hennysmath]

Proviron works by increasing the amount of testosterone that is available to the body. It does this by increasing the amount of testosterone receptors in the body. The increased amount of receptors means that more testosterone can be available to the body. This means that more testosterone can be available to the body and that it can be used to make more hormones.

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