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RoidRage69 said:
11/07/23

Weight 272.4

Back

Seated Cable Rows 1-Arm 1-2 sec pause at top of all reps/sets
40x15
70x15
85x12
100x10
Cable Pulldown Med Grip
160x10
190x10x2
Cable Pulldown close reverse grip
190x10x2
Reverse Grip Machine Rows
175x12x3
Straight Arm Pulldowns
135x13
120x11
Seated Cable Rows 1-Arm
115x8
Ab Machine/Plank Superset
205x12 45sec plank x 2

10min StairMaster
25min Treadmill
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@RoidRage69 good training and cardio is over 35min
since you not keeping diet up, at least post if you did OMAD or high carbs on this day so we know
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
@RoidRage69 many are sensitive to high doses not just you, cut down to 150mgs of each and see hwo you feel
but the 50mgs anavar is likely causing the back/lower back issues
i would still split into 2 shots mon/thur even enanthate ester to keep the close to steady blood levels as possible
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I don’t have any back issues. My back is sore and swollen from the workout. It’s growing.
 
RoidRage69 said:
I don’t have any back issues. My back is sore and swollen from the workout. It’s growing.
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@RoidRage69 I'm saying anavar can have real negative effects on lower back pumps for bigger guys, even if you dont have issues now anavar can contribute to back issues, thats across the board anecdotally factual
but if you feel you are fine keep going with it
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/08/23

Weight 272.7

Fasted Morning Cardio
StairMaster 45min
Treadmill 37min

18 Hr Fasting

Aprox 1800 Cals. Less than 50 grams carbs.
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@RoidRage69 this is a day off all cardio i see, you doing any full body training? would be a good thing to add 1 day /week like bodyopus
 
LevButlerov said:
@RoidRage69 this is a day off all cardio i see, you doing any full body training? would be a good thing to add 1 day /week like bodyopus
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That might be a good idea. It’s been a few months since I’ve done a full body depletion workout. Wife and I are pretty beat up from the heavy training so it would be a good switch up.
 
RoidRage69 said:
That might be a good idea. It’s been a few months since I’ve done a full body depletion workout. Wife and I are pretty beat up from the heavy training so it would be a good switch up.
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@RoidRage69 you're leaning out and OMAD is there and low carbs, before you bigger refeed day do a full body depletion higher reps and slam your higher carb that, thats literally the Bodyopus way
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/08/23

Weight 272.7

Fasted Morning Cardio
StairMaster 45min
Treadmill 37min

18 Hr Fasting

Aprox 1800 Cals. Less than 50 grams carbs.
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you are re comping for sure and being successful at it
 
MK677 sure is potent stuff. My morning blood sugars are up 15 points. Then again I usually dont check my sugars this early because I am usually still sleeping at 4 a.m. Finished a rather large meal at 9 p.m. last night so I guess 7 hours later is not a normal time to check for fasting sugars. Whats a typical amount of hours fasted before checking sugars? 9 hours?
 
8 hours is standard, but there is not likely a big difference between 7 and 8. MK677 is absolutely hell on insulin sensitivity in my experience. Much worse than HGH. All of that said, there can be a slight morning effect on blood sugars, especially in those who are not generally well controlled.
 
LittleTimeTrouble said:
8 hours is standard, but there is not likely a big difference between 7 and 8. MK677 is absolutely hell on insulin sensitivity in my experience. Much worse than HGH. All of that said, there can be a slight morning effect on blood sugars, especially in those who are not generally well controlled.
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Just rechecked and its down 10 points in the last hour so I figured the late meal last night was a big reason.
 
RoidRage69 said:
Just rechecked and its down 10 points in the last hour so I figured the late meal last night was a big reason.
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That’s almost assuredly not why because natural insulin should take care of any excess glucose from a meal 7 hours before. More likely it is something like the dawn effect where the natural hormones from waking up slightly spike your blood sugar, and then it goes down. Sometimes people just get caught taking their glucose at just the wrong time in the morning, and see a much higher reading.

Basically the hormones the body produces to wake quickly are the same as fight or flight hormones, and one of the things they do is to provide your body glucose from your liver in order for you to deal with whatever stressor has come up.
 
LittleTimeTrouble said:
That’s almost assuredly not why because natural insulin should take care of any excess glucose from a meal 7 hours before. More likely it is something like the dawn effect where the natural hormones from waking up slightly spike your blood sugar, and then it goes down. Sometimes people just get caught taking their glucose at just the wrong time in the morning, and see a much higher reading.
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If I had eaten my last meal at 7 p.m. instead of 9 i can assure you it would have been much lower. I have been checking sugars 10 times per day for the last 8 weeks. Everytime I eat my last meal at 6-7 my sugars are pretty low when I get up in the morning. When I eat later it is much higher.
And as you stated taking glucose levels at wrong time proves my point. Checking at 4 am was not ideal. When you eat a meal with over 140 grams protein and 100 grams of fat its going to take longer than 7 hours to move through the system especially when your over 53 YO.
 
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LittleTimeTrouble said:
Lol. OK. Your body sure is unique.
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Acually your pretty unique. You still dont think its possible for somone to gain muscle while losing fat. I proved you completely wrong.
Again where did I claim my body is unique in regards to blood sugar levels? I shouldnt have checked at 4 am. That was clearly the wrong time to do it. In fact from what I have read its better to check at 7 a.m. fasted. That is the more normal time when you get blood labs taken. My doc always tells me to do my fasted labs before 8 a.m. to get a good read on all levels.
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/08/23

Weight 272.7

Fasted Morning Cardio
StairMaster 45min
Treadmill 37min

18 Hr Fasting

Aprox 1800 Cals. Less than 50 grams carbs.
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good work on the fast bro
 
bodyopus is an option to try for a week or two
 
no i don't like bodyopus, too much fat for my liking
 
bodyopus can be high fat or high carbs. depends on the style
 
you're a new updated picture your back looks very shredded
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/08/23

Weight 272.7

Fasted Morning Cardio
StairMaster 30min
Treadmill 26min

15 Hr Fasting

Aprox 2100 Cals. Less than 50 grams carbs.
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@RoidRage69 i checked your posts a bit up and I see you doing mk677 with hgh together? i thought you stopped the nutrobal when you started the hgh
can you please post when you do your injections weekly and your PED ritual, would be easier to follow I'm interested in weight vs what you're using that week and timing of injections
 
LevButlerov said:
@RoidRage69 i checked your posts a bit up and I see you doing mk677 with hgh together? i thought you stopped the nutrobal when you started the hgh
can you please post when you do your injections weekly and your PED ritual, would be easier to follow I'm interested in weight vs what you're using that week and timing of injections
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I’ve never taken mk677 until two days ago. Most likely going to take only on my non lifting days since I take 2iu gh on non lifting days and 3iu gh on lifting days. I take gh 1.5 iu 1 hour before lifting at 8:30 am and again after lifting at 1pm. I take 2iu gh before morning cardio at 6:30 am. Taking 20mg mk677 at 10pm at bedtime.
 
RoidRage69 said:
I’ve never taken mk677 until two days ago. Most likely going to take only on my non lifting days since I take 2iu gh on non lifting days and 3iu gh on lifting days. I take gh 1.5 iu 1 hour before lifting at 8:30 am and again after lifting at 1pm. I take 2iu gh before morning cardio at 6:30 am. Taking 20mg mk677 at 10pm at bedtime.
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@RoidRage69 i would say that nutrobal mk677 is not necessary if you have hgh, in fact its best to do it like this
5/2
5 days hgh
2 days nutrobal mk677
this way you let your body boost natural hgh on the 2 days
 
RoidRage69 said:
Ok so I can use weekends for just mk677 then. Will give it a try.
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@RoidRage69 I have a competitor I'm preparing for Feb show he's doing this but with 4/3 real success and his HGH works better
 
RoidRage69 said:
Is he taking gh on lifting days and mk on non lifting days?
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@RoidRage69 closer to the show he's on a 4/3 split with 4 days training (bodypart) 1 day full body and 2 days off, so HGH is on 4 days and nutrobal is on the 3 days fullbody+off
 
RoidRage69 said:
Nothing sucks worse than a throbbing shoulder waking you up.
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@RoidRage69 big guys have these issues
shoulder problems when side-sleeping are normal

if you have the budget, check a modified mattress lining foam that can let you go deep with the shoulder on the side
 
11/10/23

Weight 272.4

Did a full body depletion workout AKA bodyopus. Lowered weights to 50% and did sets of 20+ feeling the weight and not going anywhere even close to failure in order to deplete glycogen and not cause any muscle trauma. Carb loading all weekend. Each day lowering carbs to make sure and not have any spillover. Also have lowered my weekly dosage of Test Cyp/Masteron to 150mg of each. Still using 50mg Anavar per day. Also have bumped up my gh to 3.5 IU on lifting days and 2.5 IU on non lifting days. Will go 5 days on 2 off from now on. Added MK 266 and will use that on the 2 off days from GH. Shoulder hurts like hell. Still managable though. I have a high pain tolerance. Doesnt feel damaged. Just really really bad tendonitis. I think the GH is making it worse but will keep GH and current dosage. My deep sleep is getting much better the further along I keep ramping the GH. My legs are getting much bigger and can feel them getting much harder along with my upper body. All in all I like how my cycle is going. Might take the week off from the gym to allow body to heal and just do cardio after I am done carb loading on Sunday evening.


Aprox 3100 calories
150 grams Protein
450 grams Carbs
75 grams Fat
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/10/23

Weight 272.4

Did a full body depletion workout AKA bodyopus. Lowered weights to 50% and did sets of 20+ feeling the weight and not going anywhere even close to failure in order to deplete glycogen and not cause any muscle trauma. Carb loading all weekend. Each day lowering carbs to make sure and not have any spillover. Also have lowered my weekly dosage of Test Cyp/Masteron to 150mg of each. Still using 50mg Anavar per day. Also have bumped up my gh to 3.5 IU on lifting days and 2.5 IU on non lifting days. Will go 5 days on 2 off from now on. Added MK 266 and will use that on the 2 off days from GH. Shoulder hurts like hell. Still managable though. I have a high pain tolerance. Doesnt feel damaged. Just really really bad tendonitis. I think the GH is making it worse but will keep GH and current dosage. My deep sleep is getting much better the further along I keep ramping the GH. My legs are getting much bigger and can feel them getting much harder along with my upper body. All in all I like how my cycle is going. Might take the week off from the gym to allow body to heal and just do cardio after I am done carb loading on Sunday evening.


Aprox 3100 calories
150 grams Protein
450 grams Carbs
75 grams Fat
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@RoidRage69 why did you bump up your HGH? i think 2IUs already enough for you, even 2.5IUs a bit much
the shoulder issue, i'm looking back thru the log i dont see you using bpc157 or tb500 right now, have you consider it?
though im happy about the deep sleep

the week off the gym, you should do it, and combine with FULL fasting
like 48 hour fast, 1 meal, followed by another 48 hour fast, will help your body recover the injuries

digestion is around 35-40% of energy output for the body, so if you let your digestion calm for a few days, the body can use that energy to help you heal the injury
of course 72 hours+ is best but we can start with 48 hours
 
LevButlerov said:
@RoidRage69 why did you bump up your HGH? i think 2IUs already enough for you, even 2.5IUs a bit much
the shoulder issue, i'm looking back thru the log i dont see you using bpc157 or tb500 right now, have you consider it?
though im happy about the deep sleep

the week off the gym, you should do it, and combine with FULL fasting
like 48 hour fast, 1 meal, followed by another 48 hour fast, will help your body recover the injuries

digestion is around 35-40% of energy output for the body, so if you let your digestion calm for a few days, the body can use that energy to help you heal the injury
of course 72 hours+ is best but we can start with 48 hours
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My wife and I used them both. Waste of money IMO. Not going to go beyond 24 hr fasting. No interest in doing so. I have over 4 months of GH in the fridge and am not going to lower the dose unless I cant handle the sides. The increased dosage is helping my deep sleep and that alone is worth it. I also get good nap in after workout when taking it the way I am doing. Eventually I will be at 4+ on the GH and plan on going up slowly until I dont like the sides. As long as I can keep my blood sugars manageable will not be lowering it.
 
RoidRage69 said:
My wife and I used them both. Waste of money IMO. Not going to go beyond 24 hr fasting. No interest in doing so. I have over 4 months of GH in the fridge and am not going to lower the dose unless I cant handle the sides. The increased dosage is helping my deep sleep and that alone is worth it. I also get good nap in after workout when taking it the way I am doing. Eventually I will be at 4+ on the GH and plan on going up slowly until I dont like the sides. As long as I can keep my blood sugars manageable will not be lowering it.
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@RoidRage69 well right now if you think thats working well using hgh and the shoulder issues, not problems, but considering longer fasting might be something that helps you with joints long term
but i hope you recover with your plan too
increasing omega 3 fish oil will definitely help
but with o3 add some glucosamine chondroitin msm and collagen , that would help you with joints and bone broth on top
 
LevButlerov said:
@RoidRage69 well right now if you think thats working well using hgh and the shoulder issues, not problems, but considering longer fasting might be something that helps you with joints long term
but i hope you recover with your plan too
increasing omega 3 fish oil will definitely help
but with o3 add some glucosamine chondroitin msm and collagen , that would help you with joints and bone broth on top
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Taking 20 grams collagen and aprox 10,000mg Omega3 daily. Just ordered glucosamine chondroitin msm on amazon. Will start today.
 
RoidRage69 said:
Taking 20 grams collagen and aprox 10,000mg Omega3 daily. Just ordered glucosamine chondroitin msm on amazon. Will start today.
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@RoidRage69 make sure you get high dose glucosamine chondroitin msm you need very high doses for it to work due to lower bioavailability

think 2000mgs glucosamine/msm and chondroitin around 150mgs with boron
and on the omega 3 i think you doing caps right? better get distilled fish oil cheaper as you only need liquids, 2 tbps/day would yield you 28,000 mgs of omega 3 and will help joints and heart without having to pop 15-25capsules
 
LevButlerov said:
@RoidRage69 make sure you get high dose glucosamine chondroitin msm you need very high doses for it to work due to lower bioavailability

think 2000mgs glucosamine/msm and chondroitin around 150mgs with boron
and on the omega 3 i think you doing caps right? better get distilled fish oil cheaper as you only need liquids, 2 tbps/day would yield you 28,000 mgs of omega 3 and will help joints and heart without having to pop 15-25capsules
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You better read up on the omega3 content in fish oil. Its not that high. The caps I get are almost pure omega3 while the oil is about 1/2-1/3 omega3. Ive done a cost comparison and its much cheaper for me to buy the caps. I actually paid $21 for the stuff below and loaded up on over a dozen bottles.

https://www.costco.com/sports-resea...l,-150-fish-softgels-.product.4000038003.html
 
RoidRage69 said:
You better read up on the omega3 content in fish oil. Its not that high. The caps I get are almost pure omega3 while the oil is about 1/2-1/3 omega3. Ive done a cost comparison and its much cheaper for me to buy the caps. I actually paid $21 for the stuff below and loaded up on over a dozen bottles.
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@RoidRage69 im aware of fish oil and omega 3 but fish oil is pure omega 3 especially if you get clean distilled and many other phytochemicals in fish oil that are beneficial besides just omega 3
but thats fine if you want to do caps
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/10/23

Weight 272.4

Did a full body depletion workout AKA bodyopus. Lowered weights to 50% and did sets of 20+ feeling the weight and not going anywhere even close to failure in order to deplete glycogen and not cause any muscle trauma. Carb loading all weekend. Each day lowering carbs to make sure and not have any spillover. Also have lowered my weekly dosage of Test Cyp/Masteron to 150mg of each. Still using 50mg Anavar per day. Also have bumped up my gh to 3.5 IU on lifting days and 2.5 IU on non lifting days. Will go 5 days on 2 off from now on. Added MK 266 and will use that on the 2 off days from GH. Shoulder hurts like hell. Still managable though. I have a high pain tolerance. Doesnt feel damaged. Just really really bad tendonitis. I think the GH is making it worse but will keep GH and current dosage. My deep sleep is getting much better the further along I keep ramping the GH. My legs are getting much bigger and can feel them getting much harder along with my upper body. All in all I like how my cycle is going. Might take the week off from the gym to allow body to heal and just do cardio after I am done carb loading on Sunday evening.


Aprox 3100 calories
150 grams Protein
450 grams Carbs
75 grams Fat
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nice experiment for sure you're definitely showing different cards on this log
 
you might want to lower the GH dose if you getting blood sugar issues
 
100% lower the dose of little bit because water retention is a good sign that you are over dosing
 
many guys take insulin to drop their blood sugar back down from growth hormone
 
do some shoulder rotations and get things loose
 
JasonPriest said:
A lot of guys made fun of me over the years but I've always trained light and never pushed the envelope because I wanted to avoid injuries
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This is massive tendinitis from a surgery done in 2019. Had MRI and everything looks good. It’s just something I have to live with. Has nothing to do with how I train. I wouldn’t have the back I have today if I trained light.
 
RoidRage69 said:
Can hgh exacerbate tendinitis?
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I’d assume it can because the swelling can narrow pathways through which various tendons go. I think that is how it creates carpal tunnel syndrome. It pinches down on the nerves.

FWIW, my side effects with MK677 at 25mg/day were like 10x what I am getting on 3.33 iu HGH. I have no idea what my IGF was on the mk677 though, so I don’t know if the side effects are any greater in comparison to the regular effects.
 
LittleTimeTrouble said:
I’d assume it can because the swelling can narrow pathways through which various tendons go. I think that is how it creates carpal tunnel syndrome. It pinches down on the nerves.

FWIW, my side effects with MK677 at 25mg/day were like 10x what I am getting on 3.33 iu HGH. I have no idea what my IGF was on the mk677 though, so I don’t know if the side effects are any greater in comparison to the regular effects.
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Ok I am taking 20mg mk only on weekends without gh. What kind of sides did you have? I might drop gh back down to 2iu to see if it helps.
 
RoidRage69 said:
Ok I am taking 20mg mk only on weekends without gh. What kind of sides did you have? I might drop gh back down to 2iu to see if it helps.
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Mostly I had horrible carpal tunnel. Like one morning I woke up and tried to pick up my mug to pour coffee and it slipped right through my hands. Also really bad blood glucose.

The only side effect I have had with HGH is that my nails are really thick and strong.
 
LittleTimeTrouble said:
Mostly I had horrible carpal tunnel. Like one morning I woke up and tried to pick up my mug to pour coffee and it slipped right through my hands. Also really bad blood glucose.

The only side effect I have had with HGH is that my nails are really thick and strong.
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Ok when u were taking mk were u also taking gh or just mk and for how long did u take it before u got the nasty sides? Any days off during the week?
 
LittleTimeTrouble said:
Just MK at the time. Started at 15 for two weeks, then went to 25. A week or so later they started. Every day in the evening.
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Ya ok. I saw a utube vid of a smaller pro bodybuilder said 25mg was too harsh so he went to 12.5mg per day. I am going to go 10mg on mk 2 nights per week and see how it goes.

I’m pretty much cutting doses on everything except anavar I am going 50mg. Test and Masteron both at 150.

I see no reason to keep doses higher since I don’t have any need to get much stronger until I am happy with shoulder. Might as well give body an easier time with the PED’s until my body is ready to go heavy weights again.
 
RoidRage69 said:
Ya ok. I saw a utube vid of a smaller pro bodybuilder said 25mg was too harsh so he went to 12.5mg per day. I am going to go 10mg on mk 2 nights per week and see how it goes.

I’m pretty much cutting doses on everything except anavar I am going 50mg. Test and Masteron both at 150.

I see no reason to keep doses higher since I don’t have any need to get much stronger until I am happy with shoulder. Might as well give body an easier time with the PED’s until my body is ready to go heavy weights again.
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I don’t think there is ever a reason to go higher than the least amount that is effective for exactly that reason. It’s hard to keep that self control, though, especially since, at least for me, the main mental side effect of AAS is feeling impatient.
 
LittleTimeTrouble said:
I don’t think there is ever a reason to go higher than the least amount that is effective for exactly that reason. It’s hard to keep that self control, though, especially since, at least for me, the main mental side effect of AAS is feeling impatient.
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I might even drop test and mast down to 100 each and see what happens. If I can just maintain I think that would be successful.
 
RoidRage69 said:
I might even drop test and mast down to 100 each and see what happens. If I can just maintain I think that would be successful.
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Are you using that PSL blend, or separately. My only worry would be if you start to feel low E symptoms like joint achiness or something. Probably going to be fine, but keep an eye on it.
 
RoidRage69 said:
I might even drop test and mast down to 100 each and see what happens. If I can just maintain I think that would be successful.
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@RoidRage69 you can drop the test/masteron down to 100mgs but try to be careful going up and down with hormones
if you do go down, stay on that dose for at least 8 weeks to get your body synced with the new hormones
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@RoidRage69 you can drop the test/masteron down to 100mgs but try to be careful going up and down with hormones
if you do go down, stay on that dose for at least 8 weeks to get your body synced with the new hormones
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I am going to finish out my vial of the mix at 150 each per day and call it a day. I have 7 cc left so that would get me to the end of the year with a cc left over.
 
Really enjoy your log. It’s given me some insight on changing up my training a bit
 
11/11/23

Weight 275.2

Day 2 of 3 day carb load. Absolutely starving all day. Metabolism must really be kicking into high gear. Had 3 more meals today as it was a larger eating window compared to Friday. First meal on Friday was at 1 P.M.(11 Hour eating window) while first meal on Saturday was 6 A.M.(18 Hour eating window).

Aprox 4000 calories
200+ grams Protein
550+ grams Carbs
100+ grams Fat
 
RoidRage69 said:
11/11/23

Weight 275.2

Day 2 of 3 day carb load. Absolutely starving all day. Metabolism must really be kicking into high gear. Had 3 more meals today as it was a larger eating window compared to Friday. First meal on Friday was at 1 P.M.(11 Hour eating window) while first meal on Saturday was 6 A.M.(18 Hour eating window).

Aprox 4000 calories
200+ grams Protein
550+ grams Carbs
100+ grams Fat
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@RoidRage69 the 'starving' feeling and hunger is related to nutrobal mk677 and base hgh use. I checked back and seems you're using mk677 now, which will drive you nuts with hunger. Thats the problem with mk677 it has a latent hunger effect even worse than exogenous hgh injections, even up to 24 hours to 48 hours post use. I have a guy I'm helping for the Cali show and he's going nuts with 677 had to take him off it, he couldn't control his hunger.

And 550 grams of carbs is crazy high bro!
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@RoidRage69 the 'starving' feeling and hunger is related to nutrobal mk677 and base hgh use. I checked back and seems you're using mk677 now, which will drive you nuts with hunger. Thats the problem with mk677 it has a latent hunger effect even worse than exogenous hgh injections, even up to 24 hours to 48 hours post use. I have a guy I'm helping for the Cali show and he's going nuts with 677 had to take him off it, he couldn't control his hunger.

And 550 grams of carbs is crazy high bro!
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I’m starving because I’m finally eating above maintenance for the first time in 4
months. Glycogen loading in full effect.

I’ve taken mk677 twice. On Wednesday and Thursday. Will start taking next weekend on my off gh days. Gong to lower my gh dose back to 2iu 5 days week.

550 grams carbs is nothing. I’ve eaten over 1200 grams in a 24 hour period many times in the past with no issues. My blood sugars are completely under control and normal all weekend.
 
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RoidRage69 said:
I’m starving because I’m finally eating above maintenance for the first time in 4
months. Glycogen loading in full effect.

I’ve taken mk677 twice. On Wednesday and Thursday. Will start taking next weekend on my off gh days. Gong to lower my gh dose back to 2iu 5 days week.

550 grams carbs is nothing. I’ve eaten over 1200 grams in a 24 hour period many times in the past with no issues. My blood sugars are completely under control and normal all weekend.
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@RoidRage69 you're starving because of the nutrobal mk677 and hgh bro, I'm sure of it, I had those hunger pains myself with mk677 100% it's related, even for day on end. Try stopping the nutrobal and cutting hgh down to 1 IU for 2 weeks and you'll see your hunger drop completely.

AND there is way more to the body than blood sugar control, your leptin, ghrelin levels are going to be out of whack on mk677 and hgh thats the base issue you're experiencing now.

I do respect you bro for being honest about the macros.
 
Hgh shouldn’t have any effect on ghrelin or hunger, should it? I thought mk677 was a ghrelin mimetic, which is how it agonized hgh production, but also why it caused hunger. FWIW, I didn’t have any excess hunger on mk677 but I am not really prone to being all that hungry.
 
Mk677 and gh is a non factor in the hunger. If it was I would have been hungry everyday the last 2 months on gh. Mk677 I took twice and haven’t it since Thursday. Gh I havent had since Friday morning. It’s the dam carb load dude. When you go 4 months in a row under maintenance and you fully deplete your glycogen stores you get hungry during the carb load. My body hasn’t had a need to produce much insulin over the last 4 months due to being in ketosis 3-4 days every week. Ive carb loaded over 50 times in my life and this time is no different except I am eating way less carbs than I normally do so I don’t have spillover.
 
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RoidRage69 said:
Mk677 and gh is a non factor in the hunger. If it was I would have been hungry everyday the last 2 months on gh. Mk677 I took twice and haven’t it since Thursday. Gh I havent had since Friday morning. It’s the dam carb load dude. When you go 4 months in a row under maintenance and you fully deplete your glycogen stores you get hungry during the carb load. My body hasn’t had a need to produce much insulin over the last 4 months due to being in ketosis 3-4 days every week. Ive carb loaded over 50 times in my life and this time is no different except I am eating way less carbs than I normally do so I don’t have spillover.
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@RoidRage69 you can believe that bro no problem but mk677 and hgh are HUGE factors in hunger, anyone that used them will tell you, no matter bmr caloric intake state
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@RoidRage69 you can believe that bro no problem but mk677 and hgh are HUGE factors in hunger, anyone that used them will tell you, no matter bmr caloric intake state
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I am talking about in my situation. Hunger is not an issue for me. It isn’t gong to affect my diet. I get hungry when I eat carb load. I did bodyopus this weekend. I never said it was a problem. I was just stating what happens when I eat tons of carbs after being in ketosis. Btw i won’t be hungry all week next week because my carb loading is done with. Mk and gh won’t make me hungry like you think. You’re reading this all wrong dude. You haven’t been paying attention to what I’ve been doing.
 
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I am talking about in my situation. Hunger is not an issue for me. It isn’t gong to affect my diet. I get hungry when I eat carb load. I did bodyopus this weekend. I never said it was a problem. I was just stating what happens when I eat tons of carbs after being in ketosis. Btw i won’t be hungry all week next week because my carb loading is done with. Mk and gh won’t make me hungry like you think. You’re reading this all wrong dude. You haven’t been paying attention to what I’ve been doing.
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@RoidRage69 yes I have been paying attention,. And I do get it that you ate a ton of carbs, but at your size 275lbs you can easily not eat carbs if you control your hunger, the hunger control is related to mk and hgh, and maybe you're the magic 1 that doesn't get hungry from using hgh or nutrobal mk677, thats fine. No point arguing if you think that mk677 doesn't impact your hunger long term.

And how can you do bodyopus over the weekend, its a 7 day metabolic shift diet, since you not sharing diet I'm guessing what you doing anyhow.

Like I said up to you, do what you want to do, just trying to help you.
 
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