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[IronLog183]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

 

[R.AP]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

Morning brother! Bloodwork will help provide some additional insight but you're not far off the money here with simple cycle design.

Test
Something to manage e2 (ideally an injectable - Mast, Primo, EQ)
GH
Dialed in nutrition and training.

Keep it simple, stay healthy, stay on

 

[toddthelineman]

Nice back!

I haven’t seen 200mg/ml primo in a while. Any touchdown pics?

I had some in that concentration before, it was painful. I don’t mind normal pip but it was a bit much. If you have that issue I’m sure someone will have a solution for you

 

[IronLog183]

Nice back!

I haven’t seen 200mg/ml primo in a while. Any touchdown pics?

I had some in that concentration before, it was painful. I don’t mind normal pip but it was a bit much. If you have that issue I’m sure someone will have a solution for you

I ordered it from grey market in China and it is due to arrive to me on Thursday.

Thanks for giving me the headsup on the pip. I was not expecting that and now I have already bought two vials of those. Guess I will have to bear it and put it behind me.

 

[IronLog183]

Morning brother! Bloodwork will help provide some additional insight but you're not far off the money here with simple cycle design.

Test
Something to manage e2 (ideally an injectable - Mast, Primo, EQ)
GH
Dialed in nutrition and training.

Keep it simple, stay healthy, stay on

Thank you, mate. I am on retatrutide and bpc 157 tb500 hence not going for GH this time. May be next time for sure.

 

[toddthelineman]

I ordered it from grey market in China and it is due to arrive to me on Thursday.

Thanks for giving me the headsup on the pip. I was not expecting that and now I have already bought two vials of those. Guess I will have to bear it and put it behind me.

Well I thiiiiink there are things you can do to make it bearable. Like smaller more frequent injections in different sites and diluting it by mixing it with your testosterone. Idk about Chinese grey market primo

 

[IronLog183]

Well I thiiiiink there are things you can do to make it bearable. Like smaller more frequent injections in different sites and diluting it by mixing it with your testosterone. Idk about Chinese grey market primo

Thanks. I have thought of that approach of doing 2 pins a week. Not sure about mixing Test with Primo. Can both be drawn in one syringe?

I live in the UK and it is quite popular here to order from China. Folks even get it tested at Janoshik and came out clean so can be relied upon.

 

[LevButlerov]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

welcome to the EVO family @IronLog183 you look really good! lean and tight, truly nice size! thank you for sharing.
Before we talk cycle optimization lets talk more about you and wait for bloods.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

I ordered it from grey market in China and it is due to arrive to me on Thursday.

Thanks for giving me the headsup on the pip. I was not expecting that and now I have already bought two vials of those. Guess I will have to bear it and put it behind me.

from China? that's going to be really bad for you, please get aas from approved suppliers.

 

[stevesmi]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

@IronLog183 looking fantastic man, the physique speaks for itself. And I like that you're keeping your dosing mild on your next cycle.

 

[Mobster]

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Age? (I'm seeing the gray beard mind)

 

[ceo]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

Bro, some people do estrogen quicker than others. It just depends on the person. It's good that you recognize it. @IronLog183

 

[Ulter]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

I like that she mentioned you don't want to do anything stupid and you want to do it the right way, so you're definitely in the right place. @IronLog183 good job on this buddy.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

@IronLog183 proud of you on this log. You are showing the EVO family how it's done. 20 weeks is a very long cycle though. Just be aware of the risks involved with doing something like that. I personally would consider lowering it to 12 to 14 weeks.

 

[2Thick]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

Make sure you keep up this hard work. It's looking really good and I like that you are responding well to testosterone and anavar. Those are two of the best steroids out there and you can use them in just about any cycle. @IronLog183

 

[R.AP]

Thank you, mate. I am on retatrutide and bpc 157 tb500 hence not going for GH this time. May be next time for sure.

Good man re. PIP some small practices can go a long way. Warming up your oils before administration, massaging the bolus once administered and/ or heat pack on the injection site.

Would go with a trusted supplier next time though! Though imports and home-brew is cheap as chips, it comes with its own risks.

 

[IronLog183]

welcome to the EVO family @IronLog183 you look really good! lean and tight, truly nice size! thank you for sharing.
Before we talk cycle optimization lets talk more about you and wait for bloods.

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

from China? that's going to be really bad for you, please get aas from approved suppliers.

Diet -

High protein diet of 200+grams of protein, 60 grams of fat and rest carbs during cut of 1800-2000 calories. Main sources of protein would be chicken 500 grams, whey isolate 2 scoops, eggs 6-8, protein bar for pre workout and some protein desserts. 400-500 grams stir fry vegetables every day.

250 grams of protein, 75 grams of fat and rest carbs in 3200 calories diet.

Training - 4-5 times a week. Average of 4 times a week over the whole year.. 2 body parts a day. Train high rep range. Compound movements at 10-15 reps and isolated at 20-25 reps.

Cardio - occasionally treadmill but training intensity of high reps does the job well.

Supplements- Vitamin D, Creatine only. For fibre I have High Bran (26 grams fibre in every 100 grams) and it does the job of keeping my gut clean and flowing..

Thanks for the link to the podcasts and ebooks. I will give it a go soon. Cheers mate!

 

[IronLog183]

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Age? (I'm seeing the gray beard mind)

37.

 

[IronLog183]

I like that she mentioned you don't want to do anything stupid and you want to do it the right way, so you're definitely in the right place. @IronLog183 good job on this buddy.

Thank you!

 

[IronLog183]

@IronLog183 proud of you on this log. You are showing the EVO family how it's done. 20 weeks is a very long cycle though. Just be aware of the risks involved with doing something like that. I personally would consider lowering it to 12 to 14 weeks.

Thank you. When I researched, I read articles saying 12-14 weeks is now short. 16-20 with proper blood work and e2 management should be good enough.

 

[LevButlerov]

Diet -

High protein diet of 200+grams of protein, 60 grams of fat and rest carbs during cut of 1800-2000 calories. Main sources of protein would be chicken 500 grams, whey isolate 2 scoops, eggs 6-8, protein bar for pre workout and some protein desserts. 400-500 grams stir fry vegetables every day.

250 grams of protein, 75 grams of fat and rest carbs in 3200 calories diet.

Training - 4-5 times a week. Average of 4 times a week over the whole year.. 2 body parts a day. Train high rep range. Compound movements at 10-15 reps and isolated at 20-25 reps.

Cardio - occasionally treadmill but training intensity of high reps does the job well.

Supplements- Vitamin D, Creatine only. For fibre I have High Bran (26 grams fibre in every 100 grams) and it does the job of keeping my gut clean and flowing..

Thanks for the link to the podcasts and ebooks. I will give it a go soon. Cheers mate!

250 protein is nice @IronLog183 stay stron lets get more info up
you should add probiotics ed with psyllium

 

[Ulter]

Thank you!

A+++

 

[IronLog183]

Make sure you keep up this hard work. It's looking really good and I like that you are responding well to testosterone and anavar. Those are two of the best steroids out there and you can use them in just about any cycle. @IronLog183

Thanks mate.

Since I am not and don't intend to do professional bodybuilding, I feel Test Primo and Anavar are good enough anabolics for me along with Reta and supplements. My goal is to keep lean muscular athletic physique and capability.

 

[2Thick]

Thanks mate.

Since I am not and don't intend to do professional bodybuilding, I feel Test Primo and Anavar are good enough anabolics for me along with Reta and supplements. My goal is to keep lean muscular athletic physique and capability.

I got a lot of love and respect for your goals. Keep it up.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thank you. When I researched, I read articles saying 12-14 weeks is now short. 16-20 with proper blood work and e2 management should be good enough.

If you're trying to recover afterward then it's too long but if you're already on TRT it's doable.

 

[ballin2504]

Cycle Log + Looking for Advice

Hey guys,
I’ve been lurking, researching, and learning from this forum for a long time, and now I feel it’s time to share my journey and get some feedback from people who actually know what they’re doing.

Stats
Height: 183 cm
Starting weight (Oct 2024): 106 kg
Lowest weight (cut end): ~82 kg
Current weight: 85–86 kg
Estimated BF at leanest: ~13%
Diet & Training Overview
Cutting phase calories: 1800–2000 kcal
On-cycle calories: 3000–3500 kcal
Training: Consistent resistance training 4-5 times a week throughout, progressive overload focused
Cardio: Used primarily during cut, reduced significantly on cycle

Background
I started my weight loss journey in October 2024 at 106 kg.
By June 2025, I was down to 82 kg — roughly 24 kg lost in about 8 months. At that point, I was very lean, probably ~13% body fat, and training consistently with diet locked in.
That’s when I decided to step into the PED world — after a lot of research.

First Cycle (Testosterone Only – Extended)
After reading extensively and speaking to experienced users, I kept it simple:
Compound: Testosterone (Enanthate → later Cypionate)
Dose: 300 mg/week
Start: End of May 2025
Planned Length: 16 weeks
Actual Length: 20 weeks
Injections: 2x per week
Bloodwork:
Week 4
Then every 6 weeks

Estrogen Issues
I quickly realised I aromatise heavily.
E2 was high, symptoms showed up, and I had to run:
AI: ~2–2.5 mg/week (split)
Once dialled in, everything stabilised.

Adding Anavar (Last 6 Weeks) 20mg first 3 weeks and up to 30mg last 3 weeks.
At week 14, I added Anavar for the final push:
Effect:
Muscles hardened noticeably
Vascularity came up
Physique looked dry and dense
Strength was solid
Overall, very happy with the result
Weight Progress
Start of cycle: ~83–84 kg
End of cycle: ~91–92 kg (yes, some water, but also real tissue)

Post-Cycle / TRT Transition
Cycle ended: 12th October
One week before end: Started Retatrutide
1 mg/week for first 4 weeks
Then increased to 2 mg/week
Still running 2 mg/week

TRT / Cruise:
Currently on 100-150 mg/week

Bloodwork:
Just done last week
Waiting on results to see where my levels sit on this dose

What’s Next
I’ve already purchased everything for my second cycle:
Testosterone Cypionate 250/ml
Primobolan (200 mg/ml)
Planning to start end of February or early March depending on bloodwork and recovery.

What I’m Asking You Guys

Given:
I aromatise heavily
I respond well to test + var
I’m currently cruising
Bloods pending

What would you suggest for Cycle 2?
I am thinking of going 500mg/week Test with 200mg/week Primo as AI strategy.

Length - 20 weeks.

Anything you’d change or optimise based on my first run?

I’m not here to do anything stupid — I want to do this clean, calculated, and sustainable.

Appreciate any feedback, criticism, or advice.

Cheers!!

@IronLog183 nice start to the log man. Welcome to evo we are glad to have you here logging

 

[IronLog183]

I got my bloods recently as I am on a cruise of ~100mg/week. I pin only once on Sunday with ~0.33 ml of Test C 300mg/ml. The blood was taken on Friday morning so after 4-5 days after the shot.

Cholestrol - LDL is higher but total cholestrol is low with HDL being 1.23. LDL has fallen in last 6 weeks from 3.45 to 3.24 as shown in the picture. I will continue with cruise for another 3-4 weeks and then start my planned blast.

 

[LevButlerov]

I got my bloods recently as I am on a cruise of ~100mg/week. I pin only once on Sunday with ~0.33 ml of Test C 300mg/ml. The blood was taken on Friday morning so after 4-5 days after the shot.

Cholestrol - LDL is higher but total cholestrol is low with HDL being 1.23. LDL has fallen in last 6 weeks from 3.45 to 3.24 as shown in the picture. I will continue with cruise for another 3-4 weeks and then start my planned blast.

welcome back to the EVO family @IronLog183 long time now see
why do you only pin once a week? all 300mgs?

and how has your diet training been? pics updated?

 

[IronLog183]

welcome back to the EVO family @IronLog183 long time now see
why do you only pin once a week? all 300mgs?

and how has your diet training been? pics updated?

I was away for a while mate. Taking it easy. I have been cruising at 100mg/week and keeping my workouts going as it is. Diet has been good with high protein. Haven't been counting calories for last couple of months but minding what I am eating. Weight and waist size has remained stable so I was going with that as an indicator to not get fat.

I was pinning 0.33ml of 300mg/ml test so that was 100mg but I was pinning it once a week for convenience. I am pinning twice from this week.

 

[LevButlerov]

I was away for a while mate. Taking it easy. I have been cruising at 100mg/week and keeping my workouts going as it is. Diet has been good with high protein. Haven't been counting calories for last couple of months but minding what I am eating. Weight and waist size has remained stable so I was going with that as an indicator to not get fat.

I was pinning 0.33ml of 300mg/ml test so that was 100mg but I was pinning it once a week for convenience. I am pinning twice from this week.

would be nice to see you get back into training and nutrition logging so we can see progress @IronLog183