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ProTools said:
I will keep an eye on it.

But, dragon flags? Have you tried them?
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You can do them sure they are effective but like I said, so much tension not needed, start with planks, can you do a 3min plank? start with that goal @ProTools
 
Running into a possible issue and looking for correction answers. My recovery rate is off. Example. Monday was chest/tris. Today(Thursday) is also chest day. The issue is DOMS and recovery. Not that I could not push the weight today, but I could tell I was still a little sore. Again, not so sore that I could not do a great work out, but....

Any answers to why my recovery while on DBOL and TBOL and Test, and Mesterolone has all the sudden slowed down? Am I pushing too hard?
 
ProTools said:
Running into a possible issue and looking for correction answers. My recovery rate is off. Example. Monday was chest/tris. Today(Thursday) is also chest day. The issue is DOMS and recovery. Not that I could not push the weight today, but I could tell I was still a little sore. Again, not so sore that I could not do a great work out, but....

Any answers to why my recovery while on DBOL and TBOL and Test, and Mesterolone has all the sudden slowed down? Am I pushing too hard?
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@ProTools always listen to your body.....it tells us if we are on the right track........
 
ProTools said:
I can do those.
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awesome :D
ProTools said:
Running into a possible issue and looking for correction answers. My recovery rate is off. Example. Monday was chest/tris. Today(Thursday) is also chest day. The issue is DOMS and recovery. Not that I could not push the weight today, but I could tell I was still a little sore. Again, not so sore that I could not do a great work out, but....

Any answers to why my recovery while on DBOL and TBOL and Test, and Mesterolone has all the sudden slowed down? Am I pushing too hard?
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the DOMS and recovery usually overtraining but food too, how are you eating with it? @ProTools
 
LevButlerov said:
awesome :D

the DOMS and recovery usually overtraining but food too, how are you eating with it? @ProTools
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I eat an hour before workout. 30 minutes prior to work out I drink a pre workout drink. After workout, I drink 30grams of protein. An hour to 1.5 hours, I eat a meal.
 
ProTools said:
I eat an hour before workout. 30 minutes prior to work out I drink a pre workout drink. After workout, I drink 30grams of protein. An hour to 1.5 hours, I eat a meal.
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That's pretty good :D though meal size will matter.
 
UPDATE!

It sucks to say, but evidently I suck. This is just deflating! My weight is down. Again.

Weight: 172.7lbs

I feel like this cycle has been waisted at the half way point. That's now less than 10 pounds. Not sure what to do at this point.


I am changing my diet to push through:

CALORIES: 3,300 kcal
Protein: 220g
Carbs: 415g
Fats: 85g

I will try to do this is very equal portions in hopes that it stimulates my appetite.
 
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GROCERY LIST (For 1 Week of Meals)
Protein Sources
Chicken breast — 8–10 lbs
Lean beef (93/7) — 4 lbs
Salmon or steak (your choice) — 3 lbs
Eggs — 2 dozen
Egg whites — 1–2 cartons
Whey isolate — 1 large container
Low-fat Greek yogurt — 4–5 cups

Carbohydrates
Jasmine rice — 10–12 lbs
Oatmeal — 2–3 lbs
Sweet potatoes — 8–10 medium
Rice cereal or bagels — 2–3 boxes (cereal) or 1–2 bags (bagels)
Bananas — 7–10
Berries — 2–3 lbs
Honey — 1 bottle

Fats
Olive oil — 1 bottle
Butter — 1 pack
Light cream cheese OR peanut butter — 1 container

Vegetables
Mixed veggies — 3–5 lbs
Salad greens — 2–3 bags


I am considering a mass gainer mix. Halfing the serving size which places it it 600 calories.
 
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ProTools said:
UPDATE!

It sucks to say, but evidently I suck. This is just deflating! My weight is down. Again.

Weight: 172.7lbs

I feel like this cycle has been waisted at the half way point. That's now less than 10 pounds. Not sure what to do at this point.


I am changing my diet to push through:

CALORIES: 3,300 kcal
Protein: 220g
Carbs: 415g
Fats: 85g

I will try to do this is very equal portions in hopes that it stimulates my appetite.
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it's not wasted at all, why do you think that? you are likely gaining muscle while losing bodyfat :D thats actually a win @ProTools

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
 
ProTools said:
GROCERY LIST (For 1 Week of Meals)
Protein Sources
Chicken breast — 8–10 lbs
Lean beef (93/7) — 4 lbs
Salmon or steak (your choice) — 3 lbs
Eggs — 2 dozen
Egg whites — 1–2 cartons
Whey isolate — 1 large container
Low-fat Greek yogurt — 4–5 cups

Carbohydrates
Jasmine rice — 10–12 lbs
Oatmeal — 2–3 lbs
Sweet potatoes — 8–10 medium
Rice cereal or bagels — 2–3 boxes (cereal) or 1–2 bags (bagels)
Bananas — 7–10
Berries — 2–3 lbs
Honey — 1 bottle

Fats
Olive oil — 1 bottle
Butter — 1 pack
Light cream cheese OR peanut butter — 1 container

Vegetables
Mixed veggies — 3–5 lbs
Salad greens — 2–3 bags


I am considering a mass gainer mix. Halfing the serving size which places it it 600 calories.
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good list but hard to know macros from it.
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE!

It sucks to say, but evidently I suck. This is just deflating! My weight is down. Again.

Weight: 172.7lbs

I feel like this cycle has been waisted at the half way point. That's now less than 10 pounds. Not sure what to do at this point.


I am changing my diet to push through:

CALORIES: 3,300 kcal
Protein: 220g
Carbs: 415g
Fats: 85g

I will try to do this is very equal portions in hopes that it stimulates my appetite.
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Have you got any photos to compare? dont stress the scale, it can flucuate wildly when on gear, let the mirror be the judge, I have barely lost any scale weight maybe 1kg for the past month or so but my body has changed dramatically
 
ProTools said:
Running into a possible issue and looking for correction answers. My recovery rate is off. Example. Monday was chest/tris. Today(Thursday) is also chest day. The issue is DOMS and recovery. Not that I could not push the weight today, but I could tell I was still a little sore. Again, not so sore that I could not do a great work out, but....

Any answers to why my recovery while on DBOL and TBOL and Test, and Mesterolone has all the sudden slowed down? Am I pushing too hard?
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If your not recovering before you hit chest again could be a couple of things brother, too much volume, food, sleep. Maybe drop the volume back for a week or too to see how your feel? Keep intensity high just drop volums a touch.
LevButlerov said:
it's not wasted at all, why do you think that? you are likely gaining muscle while losing bodyfat :D thats actually a win @ProTools

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman @Madmax46
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Could for sure be recomping right now..
As @Dreamer mentioned dont become a slave to the scales @ProTools compare progress photos at this stage for a clearer picture
 
Allupfromhere said:
Could for sure be recomping right now..
As @Dreamer mentioned dont become a slave to the scales @ProTools compare progress photos at this stage for a clearer picture
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I think he is recomping :D
 
ProTools said:
Running into a possible issue and looking for correction answers. My recovery rate is off. Example. Monday was chest/tris. Today(Thursday) is also chest day. The issue is DOMS and recovery. Not that I could not push the weight today, but I could tell I was still a little sore. Again, not so sore that I could not do a great work out, but....

Any answers to why my recovery while on DBOL and TBOL and Test, and Mesterolone has all the sudden slowed down? Am I pushing too hard?
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Hey mate, re recovery, you'll have to take into account volume and intensity when looking at time between sessions. Given you only had two days off between chest sessions, the volume would have to be low (two exercises max). You also wouldn't want to be using any techniques that up the intensity, eg drop sets. So the alternative would be to increase time between sessions. What's your full split?
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE!

It sucks to say, but evidently I suck. This is just deflating! My weight is down. Again.

Weight: 172.7lbs

I feel like this cycle has been waisted at the half way point. That's now less than 10 pounds. Not sure what to do at this point.


I am changing my diet to push through:

CALORIES: 3,300 kcal
Protein: 220g
Carbs: 415g
Fats: 85g

I will try to do this is very equal portions in hopes that it stimulates my appetite.
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How long have you been around that weight for? As others have said, weight can fluctuate a lot. My weight has gone up or down 2kg in a day. You can really only see a trend over a two or so weeks period. But if your strength is increasing but weight is staying the same you could definitely be gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
 
ProTools said:
It sucks to say, but evidently I suck. This is just deflating! My weight is down. Again.
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No bro you're recomping! This is good!

Get your digestive supps maxed out and try and spend some time figuring out your macros really detailed.
 
UPDATE:

Workouts are going great. No real issues with shoulders. I'm looking forward to leg day tomorrow. Thursday here is Thanksgiving, so I will be off from the gym and I do not intend on limiting my food! Purchased extra containers to box up left overs!

What I am currently on:
-DBOL... 15 mgs divided up into 3 doses per day. Will begin to lower this by 5mg per week from here out UNLESS advised other wise.
-TBOL... 30 mgs once per day. This is an increase of 10 mgs. Not going to move past this amount, and will begin to add Anavar in 3 weeks.
-Mesterolone 25mgs daily. Will run this the whole cycle for estrogen control.
-Test Cyp 250mg per week.
-Cialis 2.5mgs per day. Reason is for heart protection.

All support sups are the same to protect liver and kidneys... all organs

As always... Keep me straight. Thankful for the guidance and positive vibes.
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE:

Workouts are going great. No real issues with shoulders. I'm looking forward to leg day tomorrow. Thursday here is Thanksgiving, so I will be off from the gym and I do not intend on limiting my food! Purchased extra containers to box up left overs!

What I am currently on:
-DBOL... 15 mgs divided up into 3 doses per day. Will begin to lower this by 5mg per week from here out UNLESS advised other wise.
-TBOL... 30 mgs once per day. This is an increase of 10 mgs. Not going to move past this amount, and will begin to add Anavar in 3 weeks.
-Mesterolone 25mgs daily. Will run this the whole cycle for estrogen control.
-Test Cyp 250mg per week.
-Cialis 2.5mgs per day. Reason is for heart protection.

All support sups are the same to protect liver and kidneys... all organs

As always... Keep me straight. Thankful for the guidance and positive vibes.
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Good to hear about shoulders :D
2 orals, how much support supps did you take today? I know you said same but want to confirm like today you took orals with what? @ProTools
 
LevButlerov said:
Good to hear about shoulders :D
2 orals, how much support supps did you take today? I know you said same but want to confirm like today you took orals with what? @ProTools
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3 orals.

Supps:
NAC 1200mgs divided in 2 doses 30 minutes prior to orals
TUDCA 500mgs Divided in 2 doses 30 minutes prior to orals
Omega-3 1500 mgs

Shoulders.. I have now added them back into dedicated sets on chest day.
 
ProTools said:
3 orals.

Supps:
NAC 1200mgs divided in 2 doses 30 minutes prior to orals
TUDCA 500mgs Divided in 2 doses 30 minutes prior to orals
Omega-3 1500 mgs

Shoulders.. I have now added them back into dedicated sets on chest day.
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Sure that will work add high doses vitamin C @ProTools
 
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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Good update :D
the measurements are clear growth with biceps, chest and shoulders all moving up even if the scale barely shifts so your recomposition is working, a true recomp @ProTools
Keep the tesamorelin and ipamorelin blend for recovery and hold your dbol and tbol steady as you go into the anavar tren but cut the other orals before.
 
LevButlerov said:
Good update :D
the measurements are clear growth with biceps, chest and shoulders all moving up even if the scale barely shifts so your recomposition is working, a true recomp @ProTools
Keep the tesamorelin and ipamorelin blend for recovery and hold your dbol and tbol steady as you go into the anavar tren but cut the other orals before.
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That last part, Hold the dbol and tbol moving into tren/anavar... But cut out mesterolone? Can you explain what that would look like?
 
LevButlerov said:
I'm thinking cut the dbol/tbol and start the tren/anavar but you need to micro dose the tren 10mgs ed is a start @ProTools was just checking @G-Merc 80 log he's talking about 10mgs
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...comp-log-changing-my-life.106206/post-1904121
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I will start Microdosing this Saturday 10mg daily, will be logging this closely as I have read a fair few posts where others are interested on its effectiveness and minimal sides; I think it is a good place to start at, but also to run Tren A so you can play it out quickly if it doesnt agree.
 
G-Merc 80 said:
I will start Microdosing this Saturday 10mg daily, will be logging this closely as I have read a fair few posts where others are interested on its effectiveness and minimal sides; I think it is a good place to start at, but also to run Tren A so you can play it out quickly if it doesnt agree.
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I have both. Tren A and E.
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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@ProTools Looks like you're getting some good progression. Things are getting bigger. Your chest grew over 3 inches. That's a pretty damn good accomplishment.
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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bros you are looking terrific. nice future plans. tren gonna take things to next level @ProTools
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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Zero need as you prove
 
G-Merc 80 said:
I will start Microdosing this Saturday 10mg daily, will be logging this closely as I have read a fair few posts where others are interested on its effectiveness and minimal sides; I think it is a good place to start at, but also to run Tren A so you can play it out quickly if it doesnt agree.
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It will be interesting :D @G-Merc 80
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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anavar and tren is a great stack to do. def time it right. when you are truly 100% all in for a cycle is the time to break it out @ProTools
 
ProTools said:
That last part, Hold the dbol and tbol moving into tren/anavar... But cut out mesterolone? Can you explain what that would look like?
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@ProTools Really with Trenbolone you really just have to stack it with an oral or you can even use it on its own. The more stuff you stack with it, the more side effects you're going to get. So keeping it more simple makes a lot of sense, but really it's up to you.
 
ROIDDERS said:
@ProTools Really with Trenbolone you really just have to stack it with an oral or you can even use it on its own. The more stuff you stack with it, the more side effects you're going to get. So keeping it more simple makes a lot of sense, but really it's up to you.
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So far, I've not had any sides. Check blood pressure all the time.
 
UPDATE: What I have left of this cycle. What needs do you guys see?

DBOL @ 15mgs per day, 21 days
TBOL @ 30mgs per day, 20 days
Mesterolone @ 25mgs per day, 41 days

Anavar @ 10mgs 90 days (not saying I will run 10 mgs only)
Clen @ 40mgs 90 days( not saying I will run 40 mgs per day)

1 vial Tren A
1 vial Tren E (200).

My plan was to start lower DBOL due to the toxicity of DBOL. If I follow that plan, then I would step it down by 5mgs per day per week. That would leave me with some left over as I have 21 days at 15mgs. So the question:

- with DBOL do I finish it in 3 weeks at this level or start reducing as originally planned leaving some DBOL left over. I would be off in 3 weeks.

- OR Reduce as planned to 5mgs per day and remain there until out while starting on VAR and Tren. This method gives me 42 day supply left of DBOL. 1 week @ 15mgs, 1 week@ 10 mgs. 4 weeks @ 5mgs.
 
2Thick said:
Trenbolone side effects can rear their ugly head out of nowhere, so don't push your luck. The longer you stay on, the more the side effects will start building. @ProTools
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So you feel like I should stick to the plan and be off d/tbol in 3 weeks? Im in week 6 or 7. So that would mean 10 weeks on those 2
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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10lbs is a big win i wouldn't stress about it much, my last cycle i put on 15lbs during the course of it, 10lbs is absolutely acceptable, you stressing about lbs is distracting you from what you need to do brother.
 
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ProTools said:
UPDATE With Measurements:

- 172.7lbs(no gain or loss) This is still messing with my mind. In addition to what I normally consume, I added a Sonic Cheeseburger(Wed), ate Thanksgiving(picture in the Happy Cheat day) and ate Cheese Cake and banana pudding. On Friday, I went to Cracker Barrell and ate 2 biscuits with gravy, one cornbread roll, Chicken fired Chicken with gravy and Hash Brown casserole. Sat was a normal day. Sun I added a double stack taco from Taco Bell. In what world do I not gain weight? Evidently mine.

Today I will order a meal replacement shake and only use a 1/4 to 1/2 serving size because I can not eat crap foods....

- Body Recomp. That may be the case. I do know my push and pull is still getting stronger. Good thing its time to measure.

Starting --- Current:

Biceps Flexed: 14"------14.75"
Forearm: 11"--------12"
Shoulders: 48.5"-------- 50.75"
Chest: 41"---------44.25"
Waist: 35.25"-------36.5"
Hips: 35"-------35.75"
Upper Leg: 21"------22"
Calve: 13.5"----- 14"

My weight gain is roughly 8-10lbs. I was expecting more but I have to remind myself, I am running a low dose of DBOL and TBOL. DBOL is at 15mgs per day and I believe that is less than half of the normal dosage. TBOL is now up to 30mgs, still under what a normal beginner dose is.

Do you guys see any deficiencies in my growth? How is my weight compared to my measurements?

New Adds:

Starting this week, I will run another vial of the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend). Hoping this adds to my recovery and sleep. I'm not bumping up any dbol or tbol simply due to the fact that I am pushing more and more. So long as my strength is going up, I'm good.

FUTURE:

I still have Anavar and Tren E to add. I am now trying to game plan for the right timing on it and am looking for advice. Stick to the plan of do you see a need to change.

HGH.. I may start this after the Tesamorelin, CJC-1295 (No DAC), Ipamorelin 12mg (Blend) runs out.

My goal was to reach 190ish on this cycle and recomp to the 180s.


Thanks guys!
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@ProTools Awesome update bro!
 
Update:

Weight: 175.5

I have been out of the gym for 3 days due to work. Headed back today and am off for 2 weeks.. so no interruptions.

NO Changes:

All orals and shots are the same at the same dosages. All supplements are the same.

FOOD

I added a MRE. You can see the product above. I will not do a complete serving. Just enough to add 400 to 500 calories. I am now moving to a higher protein intake. My goal is now 250 to 275 grams per day of protein.


As usual. I love feedback.
 
ProTools said:
Update:

Weight: 175.5

I have been out of the gym for 3 days due to work. Headed back today and am off for 2 weeks.. so no interruptions.

NO Changes:

All orals and shots are the same at the same dosages. All supplements are the same.

FOOD

I added a MRE. You can see the product above. I will not do a complete serving. Just enough to add 400 to 500 calories. I am now moving to a higher protein intake. My goal is now 250 to 275 grams per day of protein.


As usual. I love feedback.
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added MRE you have the actual pic? :D post some updates please @ProTools
 
ProTools said:
MRE Update: I got peanut butter cookie. Very smooth as far as a MRE(meal replacement shake). But I will never purchase that flavor again. Just don't like it much.
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Good you're making changes, slowly we'll get into it :D @ProTools
 
UPDATE:

I started this cycle on Oct 20th. So I have been on this cycle for 7 weeks and 3 days. I have reach 175lbs.

- Test Cyp 250
- DBOL 15mg
- TBOL 30mg
- Mesterolone 25MGs.

I think it's now time or getting close to time to make the change to Tren and Var. My plan is to reduce DBOL and TBOL by 5mgs weekly until I'm off while keeping test cyp and mesterolone. At the same time, start small dose VAR and micro dose of Tren A (until out and then Tren E). I will keep these at lower doses through out.

I'm thankful for the help and advice I have gotten on this forum. I value the experience located here. If you guys have any suggestions on this, speak up. I do not wear my feeling on my sleeve.

I also have HGH, 5 vials. Timing for this?
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE:

I started this cycle on Oct 20th. So I have been on this cycle for 7 weeks and 3 days. I have reach 175lbs.

- Test Cyp 250
- DBOL 15mg
- TBOL 30mg
- Mesterolone 25MGs.

I think it's now time or getting close to time to make the change to Tren and Var. My plan is to reduce DBOL and TBOL by 5mgs weekly until I'm off while keeping test cyp and mesterolone. At the same time, start small dose VAR and micro dose of Tren A (until out and then Tren E). I will keep these at lower doses through out.

I'm thankful for the help and advice I have gotten on this forum. I value the experience located here. If you guys have any suggestions on this, speak up. I do not wear my feeling on my sleeve.

I also have HGH, 5 vials. Timing for this?
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I think before we go on and make that tren/var change or any changes, lets do updated pics for the EVO family and see where you start :D @ProTools
 
ProTools said:
UPDATE:

I started this cycle on Oct 20th. So I have been on this cycle for 7 weeks and 3 days. I have reach 175lbs.

- Test Cyp 250
- DBOL 15mg
- TBOL 30mg
- Mesterolone 25MGs.

I think it's now time or getting close to time to make the change to Tren and Var. My plan is to reduce DBOL and TBOL by 5mgs weekly until I'm off while keeping test cyp and mesterolone. At the same time, start small dose VAR and micro dose of Tren A (until out and then Tren E). I will keep these at lower doses through out.

I'm thankful for the help and advice I have gotten on this forum. I value the experience located here. If you guys have any suggestions on this, speak up. I do not wear my feeling on my sleeve.

I also have HGH, 5 vials. Timing for this?
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Would advise doing bloods before adding Tren and Var to see how the DBol and Tbol have been treating your body.

5 10iu Vials? youd be best to probably get more, HGH is best long term
 
ProTools said:
It shall be dropped. So at this point I am transitioning to Test Cyp 250 mg/w + Tren A 150 mg/w + Anavar 40 mg/d + Tbol 30 mg/d + Proviron 25 mg/d.

My goal is to be off of it all in 6 weeks from now.
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Have you done any bloodwork recently to see how your body is fairing before switching up the compounds? Now would be a great time to see how your body handled that first cycle. Visually you got some great results that's for sure!
 
ProTools said:
It shall be dropped. So at this point I am transitioning to Test Cyp 250 mg/w + Tren A 150 mg/w + Anavar 40 mg/d + Tbol 30 mg/d + Proviron 25 mg/d.

My goal is to be off of it all in 6 weeks from now.
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tren you're doing ed pins? @ProTools
 
LevButlerov said:
if you can handle it start ED pins with tren
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Well, let's clear this up. I have Tren A and Tren E. I've 6 weeks left.

Tren A is faster and I tolerate it well but do get knots over time. That is a common thing. If I use Tren A, I only have half a vial left. So I'm sure I will run out.

Tren E is slower acting. Have never used it. Peak blood levels in 24 to 72 hours. My understanding is that Tren E doesn't cause the knots due to it being a slower ester. 1 vial of tren e 200

My thoughts were to blend them. very small dose of Tren A (ED) and 2x per week blend Tren E an A.. still small dose.
 
ProTools said:
Well, let's clear this up. I have Tren A and Tren E. I've 6 weeks left.

Tren A is faster and I tolerate it well but do get knots over time. That is a common thing. If I use Tren A, I only have half a vial left. So I'm sure I will run out.

Tren E is slower acting. Have never used it. Peak blood levels in 24 to 72 hours. My understanding is that Tren E doesn't cause the knots due to it being a slower ester. 1 vial of tren e 200

My thoughts were to blend them. very small dose of Tren A (ED) and 2x per week blend Tren E an A.. still small dose.
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What do you mean by knots? Like bumps or something?
 
BeMe said:
What do you mean by knots? Like bumps or something?
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Wish I could find a photo of it online, but it's a lump... and the muscle gets sore. Here is Grok on it:

Tren A is typically dosed at 100mg/ml or higher, and the benzyl alcohol/benzyl benzoate or other solvents irritate muscle tissue, triggering inflammation and swelling. The body reacts to the oil vehicle and steroid crystals, leading to redness, pain, and a firm lump that can last days to weeks.
 
ProTools said:
Wish I could find a photo of it online, but it's a lump... and the muscle gets sore. Here is Grok on it:

Tren A is typically dosed at 100mg/ml or higher, and the benzyl alcohol/benzyl benzoate or other solvents irritate muscle tissue, triggering inflammation and swelling. The body reacts to the oil vehicle and steroid crystals, leading to redness, pain, and a firm lump that can last days to weeks.
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Ah interesting. Never knew that.

I'm running Tren A for the first time right now so that's good to know. Any way of mitigating the risk that you know of?

Sounds like you thought mixing the oils might help a bit?
 
BeMe said:
Ah interesting. Never knew that.

I'm running Tren A for the first time right now so that's good to know. Any way of mitigating the risk that you know of?

Sounds like you thought mixing the oils might help a bit?
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For me, I just dealt with it for the most part. But the longer I ran it, the worse it got. I shoot the quads and it was tough. Great results...

From everything I have seen, you should micro dose it, massage lightly after, and switch sites each time.

Since I have only used it once, thats all I got to share. Somebody else here may know more.
 
ProTools said:
Well, let's clear this up. I have Tren A and Tren E. I've 6 weeks left.

Tren A is faster and I tolerate it well but do get knots over time. That is a common thing. If I use Tren A, I only have half a vial left. So I'm sure I will run out.

Tren E is slower acting. Have never used it. Peak blood levels in 24 to 72 hours. My understanding is that Tren E doesn't cause the knots due to it being a slower ester. 1 vial of tren e 200

My thoughts were to blend them. very small dose of Tren A (ED) and 2x per week blend Tren E an A.. still small dose.
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knots are not related to the ester, its the mix ba/bb/carrier oil which can cause the knots (and filtration of course).
you should test both with micro dose and see difference @ProTools
 
ProTools said:
Wish I could find a photo of it online, but it's a lump... and the muscle gets sore. Here is Grok on it:

Tren A is typically dosed at 100mg/ml or higher, and the benzyl alcohol/benzyl benzoate or other solvents irritate muscle tissue, triggering inflammation and swelling. The body reacts to the oil vehicle and steroid crystals, leading to redness, pain, and a firm lump that can last days to weeks.
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all gear uses ba/bb solvents, that's a nonsense broscience you found on the internet
 
LevButlerov said:
knots are not related to the ester, its the mix ba/bb/carrier oil which can cause the knots (and filtration of course).
you should test both with micro dose and see difference @ProTools
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Of the Tren A, it's what was left over from my last cycle. So that's been tested. I went EOD with 100mgs per week. You think less than that but ED would solve that? If so, I am game.
 
ProTools said:
For me, I just dealt with it for the most part. But the longer I ran it, the worse it got. I shoot the quads and it was tough. Great results...

From everything I have seen, you should micro dose it, massage lightly after, and switch sites each time.

Since I have only used it once, thats all I got to share. Somebody else here may know more.
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Ok cool. I do all that with all my gear anyway so hopefully I won't have to deal with that. Good to know tho, cuz now if a lump does pop up I won't freak out lol
 
ProTools said:
Of the Tren A, it's what was left over from my last cycle. So that's been tested. I went EOD with 100mgs per week. You think less than that but ED would solve that? If so, I am game.
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I think ED would be the best on tren if you can do it, long or short ester, this way you can always pull back and they doses don't spike @ProTools
 
G-Merc 80 said:
I have found that slightly warming the dosed syringe up E.G i wrap my hand around it for a few mins, then using a massage gun I have avoided it, I get it bad in my quads if I dont do this.
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Quads is where I get mine. I did warm mine and blended the Tren A with Tren E and used a very small dose of each. Massaged a bit after. No issues yet.

Next leg today. Same amounts
 
LevButlerov said:
good :D
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Update to the Tren shot.

I noticed late last night that there was a small area that was warm and slightly raised. That MAY put me out to daily I think. I have 4 viable spots to take these. That's the quads and glutes. So I am going to do the other quad and see how the first shot does. I do know, it would only compound the problem if it's too soon in the same area.
 
ProTools said:
Update to the Tren shot.

I noticed late last night that there was a small area that was warm and slightly raised. That MAY put me out to daily I think. I have 4 viable spots to take these. That's the quads and glutes. So I am going to do the other quad and see how the first shot does. I do know, it would only compound the problem if it's too soon in the same area.
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you can pin EOD for now until this settles @ProTools
is it red? post pic please
 
ProTools said:
Update to the Tren shot.

I noticed late last night that there was a small area that was warm and slightly raised. That MAY put me out to daily I think. I have 4 viable spots to take these. That's the quads and glutes. So I am going to do the other quad and see how the first shot does. I do know, it would only compound the problem if it's too soon in the same area.
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Wonder if maybe you're allergic to Tren A bro. That's crazy that it happened so fast to you
 
ProTools said:
Yeah. I think it's best. I'm watching that first site to how long it takes to recoup. I had this issue with Tren A the first time. Lived through it.
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slow and steady then :D
 
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