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Shun77

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haven’t used this site much but see you comment abit and know your shit an need some help from someone who knows there shit , I’m on 500 sus, using it up, know it should be something shorter for npp, 300npp and 30 dbol had bloods done week 6 when I stopped dbol. Total t -1500, free 591 ,
prolactin nearly in low range and estrogen was 122pg/dl, lipids all great. didn’t start ai coz hand no sides bar a little backne , last time I tried last cycle become suicidal and couldn’t get out of bed for a week just about was like I nearly crashed it last time from having bunk shit so thought I’d use other methods for achne which has nearly worked. Feel unreal like it’s working insanely for first month then just dies off once I stopped the tabs don’t feel full natty but pretty fuckin close nothing like the first month at all but doin Ed pins after dbol and iv bumped up to 500npp and 600 sus trying to get that godlike feeling back but For 5000-5500 Cals yes I definitely am and all very clean eating( was a chef so i know dieting , at 5,11 at 199 pounds and 13 BodyFat and training hard 1 1/2 a day 4 times a week coz my nuro cant handle how hard I’m pushing and train shit if I try to push 6 days but at first could do 2 hours 6days a week another sign of what I think is bunk. I feel like all the stuff is over kill right for how I’m feeling should feel amazing and my gains I feel are just from eating shit tones and traing stupid hard, people stare, it’s definitely not full natty coz my recovery is better and my eating isn’t making me fat at all but traing intensity has slowed and feel a lot weaker but i feel like gains where really from the dbol, It’s gotta be bunk hay and it’s just keeping me out of normal range for all i know with out the dbol im in normal range feel it in comparison, but my levels should be sky high. Gained 1/4 to at best 1/3 of muscle the last 7 weeks in comparison to the first 5 weeks with dbol. Also live in aus so can be hard finding solid people not just tryin to make a buck. Gonna try ozpharm next lot but little voice says it could be me, worried it’s something I’m doin have trailed and errored evything I can think of except ai’s coz I’m worried it’s bunk and ima crash my etrogen, can send full bloods if helps. It’s a Fuckin book but Would really appreciate if you could give me some answers
 
haven’t used this site much but see you comment abit and know your shit an need some help from someone who knows there shit , I’m on 500 sus, using it up, know it should be something shorter for npp, 300npp and 30 dbol had bloods done week 6 when I stopped dbol. Total t -1500, free 591 ,
prolactin nearly in low range and estrogen was 122pg/dl, lipids all great. didn’t start ai coz hand no sides bar a little backne , last time I tried last cycle become suicidal and couldn’t get out of bed for a week just about was like I nearly crashed it last time from having bunk shit so thought I’d use other methods for achne which has nearly worked. Feel unreal like it’s working insanely for first month then just dies off once I stopped the tabs don’t feel full natty but pretty fuckin close nothing like the first month at all but doin Ed pins after dbol and iv bumped up to 500npp and 600 sus trying to get that godlike feeling back but For 5000-5500 Cals yes I definitely am and all very clean eating( was a chef so i know dieting , at 5,11 at 199 pounds and 13 BodyFat and training hard 1 1/2 a day 4 times a week coz my nuro cant handle how hard I’m pushing and train shit if I try to push 6 days but at first could do 2 hours 6days a week another sign of what I think is bunk. I feel like all the stuff is over kill right for how I’m feeling should feel amazing and my gains I feel are just from eating shit tones and traing stupid hard, people stare, it’s definitely not full natty coz my recovery is better and my eating isn’t making me fat at all but traing intensity has slowed and feel a lot weaker but i feel like gains where really from the dbol, It’s gotta be bunk hay and it’s just keeping me out of normal range for all i know with out the dbol im in normal range feel it in comparison, but my levels should be sky high. Gained 1/4 to at best 1/3 of muscle the last 7 weeks in comparison to the first 5 weeks with dbol. Also live in aus so can be hard finding solid people not just tryin to make a buck. Gonna try ozpharm next lot but little voice says it could be me, worried it’s something I’m doin have trailed and errored evything I can think of except ai’s coz I’m worried it’s bunk and ima crash my etrogen, can send full bloods if helps. It’s a Fuckin book but Would really appreciate if you could give me some answers

Welcome to Evolutionary.org Family, glad to see you here.

If you gained 1/4 to 1/3lb or kg (either) of muscle in 7 weeks of 500mgs npp and 600mgs sust with 5500 calories, I would say your steroids are either underdosed or just plain fake. Dbol might be real since it's cheap.

I would try an approved source in Australia to get real gear, better then what you are having now.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/aussie-approved-sources/approved-ozpharmlabs-82390.html


Please post up a log of your cycle on EVO here, with your diet and training and full cycle, no matter the gear we are always interested in results and progress
 
bunk is my vote

post a LOG
 
Sorry meant a quarter of the lean weight in 7 weeks compared to gains in the first 5 weeks of dbol not kgs or pounds,
 
in Australia it's probably bunk sorry mate

get a Log up please
 
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By log guess you mean my gains/routine, 3rd cycle BanC, 30mg dbol for first 5 weeks, 300npp and 500sus for 10 weeks 7 weeks in but upped the npp to 500 last week, Ed pins to try keep stable an it’s helped with the little acne iv got but went from 78 to 88 first 5 weeks and put on about 3kgs in 7 weeks, legs/push/pull but mainly legs dominated, I’m eating on average 4,800 cals, 517g carbs, 135g fat and 381g protein
 
Try again still figuring out how to use the site
3rd cycle
15 weeks
5 weeks 30mg dbol
11 weeks 300 npp, 500 sus
Last week upped the npp to 500 and sus 600 but don’t know when I’m gonna go back to cruise to be honest now but
Went from 78 kgs to 88-89 first 5 weeks
Then got to 92 for next 6 weeks
Legs/push/pull legs dominate
Averaged 4,500 a day weekly upto 5,300 average
Around 580g carbs,135g fats, 390g protein
 
Don’t get me wrong happy with gains but the first month energy and gains was amazing then just as soon as I stopped dbol felt natty but still 3kgs of muscle in 7 weeks is good but not for 300npp and 500sus. I wanna hit 95 but honestly mls per day is ridiculous for my 3rd cycle
 
26 years old now, first cycle was just 300 sus for 12 weeks trained natty for nearly 2 years, hard gainer went from 60 to 70 natty, then went to 80 first cycle but didn’t pct properly and went backwards a bit to 71 and stayed of for 4 months then 2nd cycle did the same got back to 80 but cruised after at 175 for arpund 4 months but didn’t train and diet hard out dropped to the 78 then wanted to just go all out and jumped into this, sorted my training and diet hard but just been crawling through it for nearly 2 months
 
Is that enough of a log? Put up more of log of exact diet meals and sups tomoz if you really want. But was more worried about the feeling then gains pretty happy with the gains as a whole but for what I’m takin yeah feel like I should be growing still and feeling great and stronger like for the amount of mls I’m tryin to get in, just feel normal. But thanks for the reassurance bros tips taken I’ll be sourcing new this week,
but how should I transfer and or cut back considering I don’t know how underdozed
It is just go test e 500 an get bloods after a month ?? To see my lipids and everything, got legit ais an serms on hand
 
26 years old now, first cycle was just 300 sus for 12 weeks trained natty for nearly 2 years, hard gainer went from 60 to 70 natty, then went to 80 first cycle but didn’t pct properly and went backwards a bit to 71 and stayed of for 4 months then 2nd cycle did the same got back to 80 but cruised after at 175 for arpund 4 months but didn’t train and diet hard out dropped to the 78 then wanted to just go all out and jumped into this, sorted my training and diet hard but just been crawling through it for nearly 2 months

Two things:

You cruised (so stayed on) which is never gonna help.
Not everyone who uses is destined to be a giant
 
Welcome to Evolutionary.org Family, glad to see you here.

If you gained 1/4 to 1/3lb or kg (either) of muscle in 7 weeks of 500mgs npp and 600mgs sust with 5500 calories, I would say your steroids are either underdosed or just plain fake. Dbol might be real since it's cheap.

I would try an approved source in Australia to get real gear, better then what you are having now.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/aussie-approved-sources/approved-ozpharmlabs-82390.html


Please post up a log of your cycle on EVO here, with your diet and training and full cycle, no matter the gear we are always interested in results and progress

Two things:

You cruised (so stayed on) which is never gonna help.
Not everyone who uses is destined to be a giant

Ok point taken I guess that’s fine but tbh I thought the stuff was pretty underdosed (got a little of the energy and stuff but for very short peroid), first cycle and only reason I would of felt shit an lost is coz I crashed everything with a pct I didn’t need, but anyway never felt nothing like the first 6 weeks of this one with the added npp and dbol, think it was the dbol that actually worked

but for future reference In what regards would cruise not help besides fertility cos I’m interested in the heaps of energy, soreness and mindset that I had for 6 weeks then faded, and the little of the first cycle
I’m very happy with the size I have gained so far but want to hold it, but can feel that I’m back to shut down some what or back to low natty after the 6 weeks on want to get bloods but who get bloods every 6 weeks I can tell with weight/strength dropping.

So question- will cruise not allow my receptor’s to fully take a break so I can feel the benefits I want for more prolonged periods?? how does hrt work then?? And as for size I understand genetics play a key roll but essentially don’t people just take more as they get further over there genetic limit to hold the size there body wasnt suppose to be ?

I have heard that takin androgens actually forces your body to grow more and stronger receptors( it has to adapt) let’s say so there for you only cruise for health reasons
 
Is that enough of a log? Put up more of log of exact diet meals and sups tomoz if you really want. But was more worried about the feeling then gains pretty happy with the gains as a whole but for what I’m takin yeah feel like I should be growing still and feeling great and stronger like for the amount of mls I’m tryin to get in, just feel normal. But thanks for the reassurance bros tips taken I’ll be sourcing new this week,
but how should I transfer and or cut back considering I don’t know how underdozed
It is just go test e 500 an get bloods after a month ?? To see my lipids and everything, got legit ais an serms on hand

of course we want supps and training and meals, you'll help the community big time having a log up
thanks man

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Ok point taken I guess that’s fine but tbh I thought the stuff was pretty underdosed (got a little of the energy and stuff but for very short peroid), first cycle and only reason I would of felt shit an lost is coz I crashed everything with a pct I didn’t need, but anyway never felt nothing like the first 6 weeks of this one with the added npp and dbol, think it was the dbol that actually worked

but for future reference In what regards would cruise not help besides fertility cos I’m interested in the heaps of energy, soreness and mindset that I had for 6 weeks then faded, and the little of the first cycle
I’m very happy with the size I have gained so far but want to hold it, but can feel that I’m back to shut down some what or back to low natty after the 6 weeks on want to get bloods but who get bloods every 6 weeks I can tell with weight/strength dropping.

So question- will cruise not allow my receptor’s to fully take a break so I can feel the benefits I want for more prolonged periods?? how does hrt work then?? And as for size I understand genetics play a key roll but essentially don’t people just take more as they get further over there genetic limit to hold the size there body wasnt suppose to be ?

I have heard that takin androgens actually forces your body to grow more and stronger receptors( it has to adapt) let’s say so there for you only cruise for health reasons

you know when guys talk about cruise, really what guys are saying is self-TRT or sports-trt when off cycle, both of those are valid concepts


if you feel horrible when off cycle even after pct, maybe self-TRT or sports-TRT is for you

self-TRT is usually: 150-200mgs testosterone enanthate or cypionate/week
sports-TRT is usually: 250-300mgs testosterone enan/cyp/week

I like to see guys do a mix so around 250mgs testosterone/week you'll feel strong and not too many side effects, assuming the testosterone is real.
 
of course we want supps and training and meals, you'll help the community big time having a log up
thanks man

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you know when guys talk about cruise, really what guys are saying is self-TRT or sports-trt when off cycle, both of those are valid concepts


if you feel horrible when off cycle even after pct, maybe self-TRT or sports-TRT is for you

self-TRT is usually: 150-200mgs testosterone enanthate or cypionate/week
sports-TRT is usually: 250-300mgs testosterone enan/cyp/week

I like to see guys do a mix so around 250mgs testosterone/week you'll feel strong and not too many side effects, assuming the testosterone is real.

Thanks for the advice bro, only felt horrible after first cycle coz gear was underdosed and took nolva after cycle when I wouldn’t of needed it, don’t know if I was shut down or crashed my e2 but I’d say abit of both and as for second cycle when I jumped down to cruise I was cruising at 175mg but to be honest think the second lot was complete bunk, gains were just from return to normal of test and est and trained hard so got back to where I was at the end of first cycle if that makes sense,
but definitely yes I’m goin to head your advice and go 250 test e a week an see how I feel and get bloods after a couple months
 
Ok point taken I guess that’s fine but tbh I thought the stuff was pretty underdosed (got a little of the energy and stuff but for very short peroid), first cycle and only reason I would of felt shit an lost is coz I crashed everything with a pct I didn’t need, but anyway never felt nothing like the first 6 weeks of this one with the added npp and dbol, think it was the dbol that actually worked

but for future reference In what regards would cruise not help besides fertility cos I’m interested in the heaps of energy, soreness and mindset that I had for 6 weeks then faded, and the little of the first cycle
I’m very happy with the size I have gained so far but want to hold it, but can feel that I’m back to shut down some what or back to low natty after the 6 weeks on want to get bloods but who get bloods every 6 weeks I can tell with weight/strength dropping.

So question- will cruise not allow my receptor’s to fully take a break so I can feel the benefits I want for more prolonged periods?? how does hrt work then?? And as for size I understand genetics play a key roll but essentially don’t people just take more as they get further over there genetic limit to hold the size there body wasnt suppose to be ?

I have heard that takin androgens actually forces your body to grow more and stronger receptors( it has to adapt) let’s say so there for you only cruise for health reasons

In a word - no. You'll stay suppressed and, as seems to be the case, need a shit load to see a result.
 
Thanks for the advice bro, only felt horrible after first cycle coz gear was underdosed and took nolva after cycle when I wouldn’t of needed it, don’t know if I was shut down or crashed my e2 but I’d say abit of both and as for second cycle when I jumped down to cruise I was cruising at 175mg but to be honest think the second lot was complete bunk, gains were just from return to normal of test and est and trained hard so got back to where I was at the end of first cycle if that makes sense,
but definitely yes I’m goin to head your advice and go 250 test e a week an see how I feel and get bloods after a couple months

if you do the 250mgs testosterone/week still post a TRT log, call it Self-TRT Log
this will help us follow you along and work on your diet and training as you self trt
looking forward to it
 
Everything points out to a fake gear, look for approved source
 
In a word - no. You'll stay suppressed and, as seems to be the case, need a shit load to see a result.

Alright thanks mate 🙏, i will heed your advice and do a proper pct an come off for a good 4-6months. But I am goin to try a self trt from approved sources for a few months and log it with all my training, sups, meal plan and bloods or if I don’t see any change after a month just straight perfect pct protocol and take a break and try again next year.

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if you do the 250mgs testosterone/week still post a TRT log, call it Self-TRT Log
this will help us follow you along and work on your diet and training as you self trt
looking forward to it

Ok will do appreciate the time you boys have taken to help, once I start my self trt in a week or so I will do a full log and track my progress and results on here. Legend 🤙
 
Alright thanks mate 🙏, i will heed your advice and do a proper pct an come off for a good 4-6months. But I am goin to try a self trt from approved sources for a few months and log it with all my training, sups, meal plan and bloods or if I don’t see any change after a month just straight perfect pct protocol and take a break and try again next year.

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Ok will do appreciate the time you boys have taken to help, once I start my self trt in a week or so I will do a full log and track my progress and results on here. Legend 🤙

Make sure you prep some HCG when you come off too, to help you recovery with the full pct. You can use some HCG during your TRT run too btw.

We are waiting on your full log man.
 
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