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[stevesmi]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

@spike get a 25G 1 inch and go IM. if it keeps happening then it might be your injection technique, maybe take a video and post it

 

[spike]

That's why I dont suggest subQ injections too many issues with lumps and swelling @spike how about going to IM?

and hows your training diet going?

I've always done IM just wanted to try subq, not anymore.
Also pic of diet coming soon.

 

[BodyMonster34]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

@spike bro if you gettin lumps could be yo gear too. what gear you using

 

[Mobster]

Never seen any real positive feedback and or proper benefits to doing sub-q

 

[spike]

@spike bro if you gettin lumps could be yo gear too. what gear you using

Test 400 .2ml, don't know what carrier oil is used.

 

[ceo]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

@spike bros should not get lumps when you inject all the time. maybe once in a while. so something gotta change

 

[ROIDDERS]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

@spike try no subq. 12MM not sure how long that is but you should do 1"

 

[Ulter]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

@spike could be the 400mg gear too. try 200 or 250 next time

 

[ballin2504]

Yes, i have always done IM with 23g needle just though i would try subq and 23g needle is all i had,
if it was ok would get 27g needles.
The GH subq works Just fine so must be the carrier jn the test.
cheers.

@spike yes I always use insulin pins and maybe try less oil

 

[2Thick]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

@spike you will not be able to keep injecting this way and getting these lumps.
Eventually one will get infected and you'll have to have it drained.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

Sub q u can use an insulin syringe 1inch or 1/2inch, you wont have nearly the amount of lumps or knots, 23g is huge for a small sub q injection that is not needed at all. You can do a 27g slin pin for sub q

 

[BodyMonster34]

Test 400 .2ml, don't know what carrier oil is used.

@spike bro i eat up that PIP like crazy. love it

 

[spike]

Thanks for the advice.

 

[RoySimpson]

Make sure your massaging the area after pin!

 

[spike]

Make sure your massaging the area after pin!

Did that but obviously not enough.

 

[spike]

Sub q u can use an insulin syringe 1inch or 1/2inch, you wont have nearly the amount of lumps or knots, 23g is huge for a small sub q injection that is not needed at all. You can do a 27g slin pin for sub q

Just wanted to try Sub q and only had 23g needle have ordered 27g.

 

[LevButlerov]

Just wanted to try Sub q and only had 23g needle have ordered 27g.

have you gotten the pins yet? @spike

 

[spike]

have you gotten the pins yet? @spike

Yes, 100 x 27g pins just got them this morning.
Cheers.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes, 100 x 27g pins just got them this morning.
Cheers.

You start yet?

hows your training? @spike

 

[spike]

You start yet?

hows your training? @spike

Just waiting on next delivery of Test.
Training is good same sets and reps, getting a bit easier though might be time to up weights.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Just waiting on next delivery of Test.
Training is good same sets and reps, getting a bit easier though might be time to up weights.

up the weights and update us on your training bro @spike
and hows food?

 

[spike]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

 

[25homes]

Just wanting to check with you, just did my first sub q test injection last week, 23g x 12mm needle .2ml and ended up
with a very large lump so tried again on other side and had the same issue only not as large.
What did i do wrong?

Im

 

[LevButlerov]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike, the food looks good but high carbs I see fries and pasta and fats, can you cut some carbs out?

 

[stevesmi]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike yes thanks for posting the food pics.
looks like some very healthy options. keep up the good work !

 

[BodyMonster34]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike Bro nice. You posting the red meat. That's what I like to see. That is real man food right there.

 

[spike]

@spike, the food looks good but high carbs I see fries and pasta and fats, can you cut some carbs out?

Yes there is to many carbs there, i know.

 

[ceo]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike bros i'm all in with this meal. lots of good food.

that is what we like to see with the eVO family!

 

[Mobster]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

Need me that steak

 

[ROIDDERS]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike Those are some really good meals. You put together you should post up some recipes as well. That would be a cool little nugget of information.

 

[Ulter]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike The food looks amazing. You won't go wrong with this type of eating.

Clean eating. You will never go wrong with.

 

[2Thick]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike you are doing great man. this is a nice food setup.

all clean foods and delicious!

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes there is to many carbs there, i know.

You need to cut carbs, you'll become insulin sensitivity issues. @spike

 

[RoySimpson]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike food is looking alright cut out the fries though unless you made them yourself!

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike Amazing food pics bro....post them more often.........

 

[Noah Wixx]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

This looks delicious

 

[ballin2504]

I was asked for food picks so here are some.

@spike that’s some good looking meals.

 

[25homes]

Food looks good

 

[spike]

Had blood tests done last week, got the results back so will show you here.
Test is pre TRT and HGH November 2024 and post TRT and HGH May 2025, 5 months.

 

[spike]

I did write a lot more about this but for some reason it didn't show up on the page.

 

[spike]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

 

[spike]

Also, the original photo i was 71 I'm now 72.5.
Maybe you can change the image please.

 

[LevButlerov]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

Also, the original photo i was 71 I'm now 72.5.
Maybe you can change the image please.

You look impressive for almost 73! @spike

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?

It's not high considering you're on TRT and HGH.

Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.

are you saying your PSA is up?

Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

I think impressive gains and changes.
I would like to see you up cardio more.

 

[spike]

You look impressive for almost 73! @spike


It's not high considering you're on TRT and HGH.

are you saying your PSA is up?

I think impressive gains and changes.
I would like to see you up cardio more.

Yes, I had a prostate opp 11 years ago when PSA was very high and they found 13 spots of cancer, so had that fixed
with radiation, that's why PSA was down to 0.02/0.05.
So still below normal range for someone with a normal prostate but is high for me with a prostate the size of a pea.
Might have to try a different supplier for HGH.
Your wright i do need to do more cardio.

 

[LevButlerov]

Yes, I had a prostate opp 11 years ago when PSA was very high and they found 13 spots of cancer, so had that fixed
with radiation, that's why PSA was down to 0.02/0.05.
So still below normal range for someone with a normal prostate but is high for me with a prostate the size of a pea.
Might have to try a different supplier for HGH.
Your wright i do need to do more cardio.

What is your total PSL now? do you have blood work you can share? @spike

and cardio is going to be key for you.

 

[spike]

What is your total PSL now? do you have blood work you can share? @spike

and cardio is going to be key for you.

If you mean PSA , it is 0.22

 

[Mobster]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

Stevesmi has a great thread on blood tests

 

[spike]

Stevesmi has a great thread on blood tests

Thanks'

 

[stevesmi]

Yes, I had a prostate opp 11 years ago when PSA was very high and they found 13 spots of cancer, so had that fixed
with radiation, that's why PSA was down to 0.02/0.05.
So still below normal range for someone with a normal prostate but is high for me with a prostate the size of a pea.
Might have to try a different supplier for HGH.
Your wright i do need to do more cardio.

@spike I think if most people got that type of testing done, they would also notice some stuff going on. I think I read a statistic that 50% of men over 40 will end up with some sort of prostate cancer. It's kind of a crazy number.

 

[BodyMonster34]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

@spike bro hgh too rich for my blood. you must be rich to use it lol

 

[ceo]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

@spike Bros. Good job on this update with the pictures. Keep the grind going. I predict by end of summer, you going to look fantastic.

 

[ROIDDERS]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

@spike This is why we log. Keep these numbers for the future and you can always go back and compare them to what your numbers are down the line.

 

[Ulter]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

@spike Very nice job on this man. You've got to track your blood work and ask questions.

I would tell you that everything looks pretty good, just make sure you keep track of it and you update us down the line.

 

[2Thick]

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

@spike Sometimes it can be hard to really get a good read on your growth hormone. Numbers growth hormone will fluctuate quite a bit after you inject it.

 

[LevButlerov]

If you mean PSA , it is 0.22

PSA 0.22 is low and normal

 

[Noah Wixx]

That is super impressive for your age

IGF-1 is 36 nmol/L after 5 months on TRT and HGH, normal is 17/28, I don't have a test result for pre HGH
so maybe someone can tell me if this is high or not?
Not sure why Growth Hormone has gone down from 6.4 /mIU/L pre HGH to 1.0 on HGH.
Also worth noting PSA has always been 0.02/0.05 for the last 11 years, but on TRT and HGH it's gone up
to 0.22 that's 5 times higher, not sure if that's the testosterone or the HGH.
Anyhow i have taken another pic after 5 months TRT and HGH, I can see a change
when looking in the mirror, but I'll let you be the judge, let me know?

 

[spike]

That is super impressive for your age

Thanks.

 

[spike]

Is it possible to change the photo image of me to the new one just posted please, I'm now 72 now.

 

[LevButlerov]

Is it possible to change the photo image of me to the new one just posted please, I'm now 72 now.

@spike, its changed, you ok with it?

can you update us with some training food please?

 

[spike]

@spike, its changed, you ok with it?

can you update us with some training food please?

Thanks for changing the photo.
Food that i eat.
Breakfast : Large porridge with protein power, toast, peanut butter, coffee.
Lunch : Large whole meal rap with ham, cheese salad, fruit, coffee.
Dinner : Meals as listed above, usually steak, fish, pork with vegies, rice, pasta or salad.
Snacks : Yogurt, fruit, small tins tuna, protein bars.
Sups : Protein power, creatine, Magnesium malate, multivitamin, fish oil.
Before workout : pre workout 101 with creatine.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for changing the photo.
Food that i eat.
Breakfast : Large porridge with protein power, toast, peanut butter, coffee.
Lunch : Large whole meal rap with ham, cheese salad, fruit, coffee.
Dinner : Meals as listed above, usually steak, fish, pork with vegies, rice, pasta or salad.
Snacks : Yogurt, fruit, small tins tuna, protein bars.
Sups : Protein power, creatine, Magnesium malate, multivitamin, fish oil.
Before workout : pre workout 101 with creatine.

@spike no problem always ask, the EVO family here to help

What kind of porridge? oats or what grain?

how much steamed veggies do you eat?

 

[spike]

@spike no problem always ask, the EVO family here to help

What kind of porridge? oats or what grain?

how much steamed veggies do you eat?

I have both oats and mixed grain, i alternate mix them up.
1 cup of premixed peas beans carrot corn potato and i do add rice to that and soy sauce.
Actually that's what i am having tonight with 1 chicken breast.

 

[LevButlerov]

I have both oats and mixed grain, i alternate mix them up.
1 cup of premixed peas beans carrot corn potato and i do add rice to that and soy sauce.
Actually that's what i am having tonight with 1 chicken breast.

Try to mix oats and buckwheat, it's a killer mix for high fiber. @spike

Throw up some meal pics after you have them tonight.

 

[spike]

Try to mix oats and buckwheat, it's a killer mix for high fiber. @spike

Throw up some meal pics after you have them tonight.

Too late for tonights meal, already eaten. try for tomorrow, never had Buckwheat, will get some and it try it soon.

 

[LevButlerov]

Too late for tonights meal, already eaten. try for tomorrow, never had Buckwheat, will get some and it try it soon.

Get it tomorrow and add some pics

 

[spike]

Get it tomorrow and add some pics

Is buckwheat in porridge or is it in separate bag.

 

[LevButlerov]

Is buckwheat in porridge or is it in separate bag.

whatever you can get up, final product the porridge is best for pics

 

[spike]

whatever you can get up, final product the porridge is best for pics

Finally got the buckwheat, will be adding it to my porridge.
I won't take a pic of it that would be a bit boring.

 

[spike]

I think it is time to rap this log up, just had my last hgh yesterday so nothing else to add.
I hope this information here will help someone around my age if they are thinking of trying TRT & HGH.
Thank you for all your comments and information, especially Lev Butlerov i took it all on board.
I will be doing it again, have ordered my next lot, will be here sometime this week and this time i will be
adding peptide BPC157 & TB500 to the mix just to see what will happen.
Thanks for following.

 

[LevButlerov]

Finally got the buckwheat, will be adding it to my porridge.
I won't take a pic of it that would be a bit boring.

Took you a month come now post it up @spike

 

[LevButlerov]

I think it is time to rap this log up, just had my last hgh yesterday so nothing else to add.
I hope this information here will help someone around my age if they are thinking of trying TRT & HGH.
Thank you for all your comments and information, especially Lev Butlerov i took it all on board.
I will be doing it again, have ordered my next lot, will be here sometime this week and this time i will be
adding peptide BPC157 & TB500 to the mix just to see what will happen.
Thanks for following.

@spike can you start a new LOG journal with your bpc and tb500 in the mix please?

 

[spike]

@spike can you start a new LOG journal with your bpc and tb500 in the mix please?

I will, i think it's good to know results for people reaching my age if they want to try this.

 

[LevButlerov]

I will, i think it's good to know results for people reaching my age if they want to try this.

I think many can learn from someone at 71 still on the grind. @spike

 

[Bang]

Yes sub-q is fine, easy to do as well. @spike

I’m 72 and what I would say is check your labs for RBC. I am on TRT also and would like to go higher than the 100 migs of Test Cyp but when I do that my RBC goes outside of the range( dangerous since heart attack/stroke zone begins at that point) so I am thinking of using gh to create a cocktail. As far as high RBC I also use Eliquis as a blood thinner, a means of a safety outlet to lower the viscosity of the blood I want to mention also that I’m Type 2 diabetic so I will add to that cocktail insulin (Novolog short acting via pen).

 

[HarleyGuy]

I’m 72 and what I would say is check your labs for RBC. I am on TRT also and would like to go higher than the 100 migs of Test Cyp but when I do that my RBC goes outside of the range( dangerous since heart attack/stroke zone begins at that point) so I am thinking of using gh to create a cocktail. As far as high RBC I also use Eliquis as a blood thinner, a means of a safety outlet to lower the viscosity of the blood I want to mention also that I’m Type 2 diabetic so I will add to that cocktail insulin (Novolog short acting via pen).

@Bang It seems @spike is away for the moment and he only posts about monthly so it's best you start your own log as this sounds like you could use some guidance but I think it's great you're taking your endocrine system seriously at your age. Once we know more about you we can help you out more but for now I would say stay at 100mgs Test Cyp and if you wanted to try GH start at 1iu at night before bed. Bloodwork will be key in your case so that as often as you can.

Your diet is likely in check if you're eating for a Type 2 diabetic but there's a lot more we can learn from you and suggest like supplements for your A1C for example and keeping that as low as possible. Here's a quick how to...

I would put your age in the title of the log as it will attract attention from our older members who need help as well. Something like "72 year old TRT and GH log". Also, any exercising you're doing can be put in your log.


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[LevButlerov]

I’m 72 and what I would say is check your labs for RBC. I am on TRT also and would like to go higher than the 100 migs of Test Cyp but when I do that my RBC goes outside of the range( dangerous since heart attack/stroke zone begins at that point) so I am thinking of using gh to create a cocktail. As far as high RBC I also use Eliquis as a blood thinner, a means of a safety outlet to lower the viscosity of the blood I want to mention also that I’m Type 2 diabetic so I will add to that cocktail insulin (Novolog short acting via pen).

welcome to the EVO family love to see old school guys here.
do you donate blood? @Bang