PCT perfection...

[Jetblast]

Not posting anything of real value. On my second cycle ever. My first one was a test only cycle and consisted of just a nolvadex regimen PCT. I admit I was under-researched, and lost most of my gains. I’m nearing the end of this second cycle of Test/NPP/Proviron, and looking forward to a proper PCT. We always love soft landings... but while I’d rather be on cycle still

, I’m hopeful to land this baby smoothly.

 

[Jetblast]

Not sure why the formatting inserted the photo mid sentence, but I think we can all grasp what I was after...

 

[~Vision~]

Not sure why the formatting inserted the photo mid sentence, but I think we can all grasp what I was after...

It looks like it was done intentionally and it kind of fits so it all worked out..
That's one hell of a score man that looks beautiful..

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Keep us posted about these, that N2 looks terrific and you're going to have much success with it..

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Not posting anything of real value. On my second cycle ever. My first one was a test only cycle and consisted of just a nolvadex regimen PCT. I admit I was under-researched, and lost most of my gains. I’m nearing the end of this second cycle of Test/NPP/Proviron, and looking forward to a proper PCT. We always love soft landings... but while I’d rather be on cycle still

, I’m hopeful to land this baby smoothly.

This is beautiful. This is the right way to do pct. You got the right PCT set up to properly recover.

If you can, please log your PCT on evo. Post daily how you feel and what you took.

 

[stevesmi]

very wise choice using n2generate ES and n2guard

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro this a good setup for pct, glad you taking it serious. PCT as important as cycle itself

 

[JasonPriest]

Not posting anything of real value. On my second cycle ever. My first one was a test only cycle and consisted of just a nolvadex regimen PCT. I admit I was under-researched, and lost most of my gains. I’m nearing the end of this second cycle of Test/NPP/Proviron, and looking forward to a proper PCT. We always love soft landings... but while I’d rather be on cycle still

, I’m hopeful to land this baby smoothly.

This is how you should run a PCT, good stash here

 

[Mobster]

I've addressed retaining gains multiple times. It's not based on more drugs

 

[ballin2504]

Looks like you’re all set brother

 

[Jetblast]

This is beautiful. This is the right way to do pct. You got the right PCT set up to properly recover.

If you can, please log your PCT on evo. Post daily how you feel and what you took.

If that is useful to the forum, I will post to this thread. I am 1.5weeks from my last pin.

 

[dylangemelli]

I have to tell you how refreshing it is to see someone running a complete and thorough pct... it honestly puts a smile on my face to see someone listen and do things the right way bro... this post DOES have a HIGH value of importance to say the least because you are showing how it should be done!

 

[RoySimpson]

Not posting anything of real value. On my second cycle ever. My first one was a test only cycle and consisted of just a nolvadex regimen PCT. I admit I was under-researched, and lost most of my gains. I’m nearing the end of this second cycle of Test/NPP/Proviron, and looking forward to a proper PCT. We always love soft landings... but while I’d rather be on cycle still

, I’m hopeful to land this baby smoothly.

Looks lovely!!

 

[RickRock]

Looks like you're setup well bro

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Great to see someone set up for a proper PCT!!!

 

[Jetblast]

So here’s my update.

For a few various reasons, I decided to start my PCT about 5 days early. I hit myself with my last pin Friday, May 7th. Today is 1 week in.

Running this last week, and for the next week:
- Cardarine 20mg ED
- N2Generate ES 6 tablets ED
- N2Guard 7 Caps ED
- Aromasin 15mg EOD

Mood/Feeling:
So far, my lifts have been almost as strong, but FAR different mood and intensity at the gym. I don’t have the “More gas in the tank” feeling that I’ve come to love while on cycle.

Shoulder and elbow pain that I had prior to cycle is slowly creeping back in. I attribute to the NPP washing out of the system.

I definitely feel like 2 weeks is a long time to wait before shoving Nolva, Clomid, and Osta down the throat, but I’m trying to stick to the plan. So far I don’t feel any estrogen issues creeping in yet.

Diet:
Eating at, or at an average of maintenance calories. I carb cycle still, but the weekly average calorie net would be close to ‘0’.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

So here’s my update.

For a few various reasons, I decided to start my PCT about 5 days early. I hit myself with my last pin Friday, May 7th. Today is 1 week in.

Running this last week, and for the next week:
- Cardarine 20mg ED
- N2Generate ES 6 tablets ED
- N2Guard 7 Caps ED
- Aromasin 15mg EOD

Mood/Feeling:
So far, my lifts have been almost as strong, but FAR different mood and intensity at the gym. I don’t have the “More gas in the tank” feeling that I’ve come to love while on cycle.

Shoulder and elbow pain that I had prior to cycle is slowly creeping back in. I attribute to the NPP washing out of the system.

I definitely feel like 2 weeks is a long time to wait before shoving Nolva, Clomid, and Osta down the throat, but I’m trying to stick to the plan. So far I don’t feel any estrogen issues creeping in yet.

Diet:
Eating at, or at an average of maintenance calories. I carb cycle still, but the weekly average calorie net would be close to ‘0’.

I don't see a SERM here, are you planning to get nolvadex or clomid into the mix? or are you going to wait 2 weeks?

Your prepct is fine, keep this routine going.

 

[fishing47]

So here’s my update.

For a few various reasons, I decided to start my PCT about 5 days early. I hit myself with my last pin Friday, May 7th. Today is 1 week in.

Running this last week, and for the next week:
- Cardarine 20mg ED
- N2Generate ES 6 tablets ED
- N2Guard 7 Caps ED
- Aromasin 15mg EOD

Mood/Feeling:
So far, my lifts have been almost as strong, but FAR different mood and intensity at the gym. I don’t have the “More gas in the tank” feeling that I’ve come to love while on cycle.

Shoulder and elbow pain that I had prior to cycle is slowly creeping back in. I attribute to the NPP washing out of the system.

I definitely feel like 2 weeks is a long time to wait before shoving Nolva, Clomid, and Osta down the throat, but I’m trying to stick to the plan. So far I don’t feel any estrogen issues creeping in yet.

Diet:
Eating at, or at an average of maintenance calories. I carb cycle still, but the weekly average calorie net would be close to ‘0’.

In those 5 days thats prepct? I like that idea might try it next cycle like prepct the pct.

 

[stevesmi]

So here’s my update.

For a few various reasons, I decided to start my PCT about 5 days early. I hit myself with my last pin Friday, May 7th. Today is 1 week in.

Running this last week, and for the next week:
- Cardarine 20mg ED
- N2Generate ES 6 tablets ED
- N2Guard 7 Caps ED
- Aromasin 15mg EOD

Mood/Feeling:
So far, my lifts have been almost as strong, but FAR different mood and intensity at the gym. I don’t have the “More gas in the tank” feeling that I’ve come to love while on cycle.

Shoulder and elbow pain that I had prior to cycle is slowly creeping back in. I attribute to the NPP washing out of the system.

I definitely feel like 2 weeks is a long time to wait before shoving Nolva, Clomid, and Osta down the throat, but I’m trying to stick to the plan. So far I don’t feel any estrogen issues creeping in yet.

Diet:
Eating at, or at an average of maintenance calories. I carb cycle still, but the weekly average calorie net would be close to ‘0’.

that is a solid pCT

 

[BodyMonster34]

I don't see a SERM here, are you planning to get nolvadex or clomid into the mix? or are you going to wait 2 weeks?

Your prepct is fine, keep this routine going.

bro i think he should add in nolvadex

 

[JasonPriest]

good update, keep us informed

 

[Jetblast]

I don't see a SERM here, are you planning to get nolvadex or clomid into the mix? or are you going to wait 2 weeks?

Your prepct is fine, keep this routine going.

I termed the pre-PCT as part of the ‘PCT’. So yes, 1 week into pre-PCT, which I’m 1 week after my last injection. Someone let me know if I’m doing this wrong...

So I have Nolva and Clomid SERMs and Osta ready for the 2 week mark after my last inject.

This is how the perfect PCT outlines it, correct?

 

[Jetblast]

that is a solid pCT

I think this actually answers my last post. Thx Steve.

 

[Mobster]

So here’s my update.

For a few various reasons, I decided to start my PCT about 5 days early. I hit myself with my last pin Friday, May 7th. Today is 1 week in.

Running this last week, and for the next week:
- Cardarine 20mg ED
- N2Generate ES 6 tablets ED
- N2Guard 7 Caps ED
- Aromasin 15mg EOD

Mood/Feeling:
So far, my lifts have been almost as strong, but FAR different mood and intensity at the gym. I don’t have the “More gas in the tank” feeling that I’ve come to love while on cycle.

Shoulder and elbow pain that I had prior to cycle is slowly creeping back in. I attribute to the NPP washing out of the system.

I definitely feel like 2 weeks is a long time to wait before shoving Nolva, Clomid, and Osta down the throat, but I’m trying to stick to the plan. So far I don’t feel any estrogen issues creeping in yet.

Diet:
Eating at, or at an average of maintenance calories. I carb cycle still, but the weekly average calorie net would be close to ‘0’.

Always a good thing.

 

[Ricky V Rock]

Great pictures brother well done!

 

[Ssshortstop]

Not posting anything of real value. On my second cycle ever. My first one was a test only cycle and consisted of just a nolvadex regimen PCT. I admit I was under-researched, and lost most of my gains. I’m nearing the end of this second cycle of Test/NPP/Proviron, and looking forward to a proper PCT. We always love soft landings... but while I’d rather be on cycle still

What are all four bottles? I see Two of them.

 

[Jetblast]

Not posting anything of real value. On my second cycle ever. My first one was a test only cycle and consisted of just a nolvadex regimen PCT. I admit I was under-researched, and lost most of my gains. I’m nearing the end of this second cycle of Test/NPP/Proviron, and looking forward to a proper PCT. We always love soft landings... but while I’d rather be on cycle still

What are all four bottles? I see Two of them.

The SARMs are 3 bottles of Cardarine 20mg/ml and 1 Bottle of Ostarine 50mg/ml. Purchased the SARMs from Sarms.forsale.

The pill bottles are 2 bottles of N2Generate and 2 bottles N2Guard.

 

[Fella Finn]

VERY NICE!!

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VERY NICE!!

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Nice update brother. Never feels the same coming off cycle but definitely necessary to run a full PCT. Keep us updated.

 

[Jetblast]

2 days away from starting SERMS and Ostarine (the 2 week mark from last injection).

Yesterday was the roughest day since my last pin. Sleep was very poor quality, and I felt absolutely NO motivation; just wanted to be on the couch all damn day. Wasn’t hungry, but just craved all my cheat food. I gave in a bit (Oreos if you’re curious). Took 2 short naps, but felt no reprieve. It was an off day for the gym, so thank god for that. It would have been a shitty workout.

Today is better... still little motivation, but made it to gym... cardio is still on point, lifts are almost as strong. So I can’t complain.

Still holding mass okay. Dropped about 5 lbs, but it was obvious to me that it was water weight. I’m looking dry, but not quite as hard. As a side note, I felt pretty hard running Test with NPP and Proviron. I can’t compare to anything other than when I ran test only, but my muscles were significantly harder with the stack..

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Definitely a harder crash this time versus my first cycle... but yesterday was a one off so far in my Pre PCT.

Thx for listening, y’all. Comments always welcome; always appreciate the feedback.

 

[nelson montana]

I've addressed retaining gains multiple times. It's not based on more drugs

^^^Yup. The supps are fine to get you to make a smooth landing , but obliterating your estrogen will not help you in any way. A litle a-dex is all you need in that regard. I know it's old school but I still like a little HCG to get the balls to wake up and start producing test on their own. And look into avenacosides A&B.

 

[stevesmi]

run some n2generate, you will feel better

 

[Eddie Haskell]

2 days away from starting SERMS and Ostarine (the 2 week mark from last injection).

Yesterday was the roughest day since my last pin. Sleep was very poor quality, and I felt absolutely NO motivation; just wanted to be on the couch all damn day. Wasn’t hungry, but just craved all my cheat food. I gave in a bit (Oreos if you’re curious). Took 2 short naps, but felt no reprieve. It was an off day for the gym, so thank god for that. It would have been a shitty workout.

Today is better... still little motivation, but made it to gym... cardio is still on point, lifts are almost as strong. So I can’t complain.

Still holding mass okay. Dropped about 5 lbs, but it was obvious to me that it was water weight. I’m looking dry, but not quite as hard. As a side note, I felt pretty hard running Test with NPP and Proviron. I can’t compare to anything other than when I ran test only, but my muscles were significantly harder with the stack..

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Definitely a harder crash this time versus my first cycle... but yesterday was a one off so far in my Pre PCT.

Thx for listening, y’all. Comments always welcome; always appreciate the feedback.

I like oreo cookies myself haha, I understand you. Dont train too hard in PCT, keep it smooth and slow, let your body recover.

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro yo pct should not feel bad. where yo n2generate?

 

[Mobster]

^^^Yup. The supps are fine to get you to make a smooth landing , but obliterating your estrogen will not help you in any way. A litle a-dex is all you need in that regard. I know it's old school but I still like a little HCG to get the balls to wake up and start producing test on their own. And look into avenacosides A&B.

Never ever used any

 

[LifestylePerfAthlete]

Drop the SARMS and it’s my kinds PCT. Don’t start the Serms too early, IMO 3 weeks after last pin (long esters) is okay.

 

[Jetblast]

N2Generate ES, 6 tabs ED been going down the hatch since I started pre PCT.

 

[Jetblast]

Drop the SARMS and it’s my kinds PCT. Don’t start the Serms too early, IMO 3 weeks after last pin (long esters) is okay.

I’m starting them at 2 weeks which is tomorrow.

I understand not wanting to start too early..

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Maybe just an off day and things will come back.

 

[Jetblast]

Just about 1 week into taking SERMs (Nolva & Clomid) and SARMs (Card & Osta)... I feel pretty good.

Mood:
Stable, not super motivated, but also not weak or tired. I’m normally a pretty passive person, but get the usual rage on cycle when something upsets me... My trigger is a little more sensitive still, but it’s coming back to normal.

Work Outs:
Normal. Strength is still there; lifting at the same maxes I had while on cycle. Definitely no gas in the tank afterwards, but very happy with the strength retention.

Physique:
Less hard and less full. Learning to say goodbye to some of those gains. Down 8lbs. BF up slightly 1.5%.

Diet:
Same as before, carb cycling, but weekly caloric net would be 0; eating at maintenance.

Sex drive:
Hard to say... I was a overdriven sex monkey on cycle, so I can’t say if I’m just back to normal or if it’s low... best way to put it now, I am not looking for it and don’t think about it, but if the wife is in the mood then I’m ready to go.

 

[stevesmi]

lower your SERM dosages and up your herbals

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Just about 1 week into taking SERMs (Nolva & Clomid) and SARMs (Card & Osta)... I feel pretty good.

Mood:
Stable, not super motivated, but also not weak or tired. I’m normally a pretty passive person, but get the usual rage on cycle when something upsets me... My trigger is a little more sensitive still, but it’s coming back to normal.

Work Outs:
Normal. Strength is still there; lifting at the same maxes I had while on cycle. Definitely no gas in the tank afterwards, but very happy with the strength retention.

Physique:
Less hard and less full. Learning to say goodbye to some of those gains. Down 8lbs. BF up slightly 1.5%.

Diet:
Same as before, carb cycling, but weekly caloric net would be 0; eating at maintenance.

Sex drive:
Hard to say... I was a overdriven sex monkey on cycle, so I can’t say if I’m just back to normal or if it’s low... best way to put it now, I am not looking for it and don’t think about it, but if the wife is in the mood then I’m ready to go.

Your sex drive should slow down and dive during pct, give it time.

Hows your overall mental feeling?

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro you put out nice update here, i impressed

 

[Mobster]

Your sex drive should slow down and dive during pct, give it time.

Hows your overall mental feeling?

Yep. Being off a little is normal

 

[LifestylePerfAthlete]

Think this thread highlights how important a proper PCT really is.

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Sometimes PCT just flat out sucks. This is why so many guys just want to stay on year round. Stick to the plan and make some diet changes. I would lower carbs a bit to prevent more fat gain.

 

[Jetblast]

Your sex drive should slow down and dive during pct, give it time.

Hows your overall mental feeling?

Mentally sound. No anxiety or depression. Thoughts are clear; no cloudiness. Overall way more stable than on cycle. On cycle, I have to check myself and remember what is the underlying cause for any abnormalities in mental behavior or tendencies.

Honestly, having the sex drive go down has been a nice reprieve.. on cycle, it was an itch that wouldn’t go away no matter how much I scratched it. Which might be fun when single and have plenty of available women, but when you’re married... the poor wife can only take so much lol!
So I’d say the overdriven sex drive is fun for a bit, but just becomes annoying (especially at 3am). So, I’m okay with it being low for the time being. Like I said, if the wife wants to, the man downstairs knows how to stand at attention and perform. So I’d say ‘lower sex drive’ not ‘no sex drive’, and it’s been a while since I haven’t had it overdriven, that I don’t remember what normal felt like... but I’m okay with it now. If it comes back up a bit after the PCT, I’ll welcome it, it can take a break for a while and ‘recover’ lol.

 

[Jetblast]

lower your SERM dosages and up your herbals

Lowering Nolva as scheduled by Perfect PCT today. On week 2 of serms today... reduced Nolva to 20mg while Clomid at 50mg still.

Nothing adverse here for me in my check-in, just covering all the bases that are seemingly effected for most users.

 

[Jetblast]

bro you put out nice update here, i impressed

Reading a lot of your posts, I’d say you’re a hard man to impress at times... thank you for the compliment. [emoji1374]

 

[Jetblast]

Sometimes PCT just flat out sucks. This is why so many guys just want to stay on year round. Stick to the plan and make some diet changes. I would lower carbs a bit to prevent more fat gain.

Thx brutha... feeling pretty good. This is a way better PCT experience than my first (this is my second cycle and second time PCT).

I’ll look into adjusting carbs... I just didn’t want to put myself in too much of a deficit in Pct in effort to minimize gains loss. I’m not competing... well, I’m competing with myself, so an extra 1.5% I’m fine with for now... if it tends upward, I’ll pull back on carbs most definitely.

 

[Tazz]

this is a very informative thread !

 

[Jetblast]

So I figured this was worth posting...

Woke up feeling dry this morning... decided to take my BF measurements. I use calipers (say what you will; I’m old school).

In my last update I said I was up 1.5%... I must have been a bit bloated that day, Bc my BF is cruising pretty healthily now... see attached screen shots of calculations...

Body composition halfway through week 10 (4/26):

Body composition today:

 

[~Vision~]

So I figured this was worth posting...

Woke up feeling dry this morning... decided to take my BF measurements. I use calipers (say what you will; I’m old school).

In my last update I said I was up 1.5%... I must have been a bit bloated that day, Bc my BF is cruising pretty healthily now... see attached screen shots of calculations...

Body composition halfway through week 10 (4/26):

Body composition today:

Hey brother this is a good sign with your metabolism and everything, naturally you're going to wake up dry as we all do but if you're really feeling it that means you're on point with your diet and your metabolism.
When you're in that fasted state and you're feeling nice and tight and lean, that means you're on the right path.
Keep the furnace burning and keep doing what you're doing, during the first couple weeks you're going to feel it but as the weeks progress you're going to see it.

 

[~Vision~]

Hey brother I'm just checking in to see how you're doing man how's everything working out, I hope all is well and if there's ever anything you need please do not hesitate to ask..

 

[nelson montana]

I didn't read the whole thread so correct me if I'm wrong -- you took aromasin, nolvadex and Clomid? If so, I'm not surprised you have no libido. I'd be surprised if you weren't completely impotent.

Ironically, PCT is suppossed to support libido. Looks like you killed it and whatever recovery you're making is due to the supplements and time.

 

[LifestylePerfAthlete]

I didn't read the whole thread so correct me if I'm wrong -- you took aromasin, nolvadex and Clomid? If so, I'm not surprised you have no libido. I'd be surprised if you weren't completely impotent.

Ironically, PCT is suppossed to support libido. Looks like you killed it and whatever recovery you're making is due to the supplements and time.

What’s your go to PCT Nelson? Out of interest.

 

[Jetblast]

Sorry to bump my old thread from last year. I figured I'm already into my next cycle, and I wanted to follow up with how this PCT ended, since I abruptly left it unfinished. Thanks for all of you who were following this last year and providing commentary. I apologize for not finishing it; I had quite a bit of life happen towards the end of this PCT and I didn't find the time to post an update.

I finished this PCT holding onto about 95% of my strength gains and 100% of size. After about 6 months from my last pin, I was still about 90% strength retention and about 60% of mass gains. I felt pretty happy about that result. As a reminder, this cycle was Test and NPP.

As you can see by this post, I did PCT by the book. There was a week in the PCT where I felt very insecure, depressed, and emotional; almost PMS symptoms we get to witness once a month from our significant others. coincidentally enough it only lasted a week for me. I researched WTF was going on, and it appears that Clomid can cause PMS and menopausal symptoms in its users. Well go figure. Armed with that, I was able to remind myself that its hormonal and medication induced symptoms that are making me feel this way, so I was able to rationalize my way out of those feelings. After a week of that, I didn't really notice anymore of the anxiety/emotional/depression. I'd say that I did have some libido issues throughout and even after about 4-6 weeks AFTER the PCT, but it recovered. It was more lack of desire, I could still get an erection, but I could careless about using it. lol

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Currently, I'm about to finish week 4 of my current cycle, which I will make a separate post on if the group is interested.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Sorry to bump my old thread from last year. I figured I'm already into my next cycle, and I wanted to follow up with how this PCT ended, since I abruptly left it unfinished. Thanks for all of you who were following this last year and providing commentary. I apologize for not finishing it; I had quite a bit of life happen towards the end of this PCT and I didn't find the time to post an update.

I finished this PCT holding onto about 95% of my strength gains and 100% of size. After about 6 months from my last pin, I was still about 90% strength retention and about 60% of mass gains. I felt pretty happy about that result. As a reminder, this cycle was Test and NPP.

As you can see by this post, I did PCT by the book. There was a week in the PCT where I felt very insecure, depressed, and emotional; almost PMS symptoms we get to witness once a month from our significant others. coincidentally enough it only lasted a week for me. I researched WTF was going on, and it appears that Clomid can cause PMS and menopausal symptoms in its users. Well go figure. Armed with that, I was able to remind myself that its hormonal and medication induced symptoms that are making me feel this way, so I was able to rationalize my way out of those feelings. After a week of that, I didn't really notice anymore of the anxiety/emotional/depression. I'd say that I did have some libido issues throughout and even after about 4-6 weeks AFTER the PCT, but it recovered. It was more lack of desire, I could still get an erection, but I could careless about using it. lol

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Currently, I'm about to finish week 4 of my current cycle, which I will make a separate post on if the group is interested.

Yea clomid can make you emotional like a girl for sure lol

are you still doing n2generate post pct?

 

[ceo]

bros clomid will mess you up i had like emotional crying with clomid

 

[ROIDDERS]

clomid is a mess of drug

are you doing a bridge? log it

 

[Quadsweep]

clomid gave me a mess with my emotions too

you going to bridge?

 

[Ulter]

pct should low dose clomid for this reason

 

[e2]

next time use nolvadex
you bridging this?

 

[2Thick]

you have good pct results but i want to see you bridge with sarms and supplements

 

[StevenDarwinMD]

APPROVED LOG

 

[Mike_wh00]

Don't need clomid unless ur shit is messed up from cycle. Never use in my pct

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

Clomid may do that, make sure you are taking n2generate ES

 

[Mobster]

Keeping 90% is awesome.

 

[stevesmi]

don't use too high clomid and use n2generate with it

 

[JasonPriest]

clomid gave me a mess with my emotions too

you going to bridge?

don't use clomid high doses

 

[BodyMonster34]

bros clomid will mess you up i had like emotional crying with clomid

bro even on 300mg clomid i NEVER cry. real man never show emotions

 

[Masonic Bodybuilder]

Great results and definitely common when using clomid.

 

[Mike_wh00]

All need is t booster an ai and the sarms

 

[Jetblast]

bro even on 300mg clomid i NEVER cry. real man never show emotions

… right. I need to be a man.

 

[Jetblast]

you have good pct results but i want to see you bridge with sarms and supplements

No bridge… I was going to bridge with SARMS, but some of that ‘quite a bit of life’ I mentioned earlier was a very spendy operation for my significant other. She’s all and well, but financially speaking, buying gear wasn’t justifiable.

All good now.