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[ledhead]

good thread

but I will say this is why its stupid for guys who don't make a living in this game or who compete to run roids year round .. if you use responsibly and cycle its the safest way to do it.

I see guys running 600+ tren a week.. its ridiculous and they don't even compete or make a living doing this.. I just don't understand it

I know! And their physiques don't remotely correlate with their dosages. Not even close!

 

[maxwell0612]

good thread

but I will say this is why its stupid for guys who don't make a living in this game or who compete to run roids year round .. if you use responsibly and cycle its the safest way to do it.

I see guys running 600+ tren a week.. its ridiculous and they don't even compete or make a living doing this.. I just don't understand it

I think it's crazy if someone is competing or not. I started getting disillusioned with bb as I moved up to national contests like the usa. When I started learning what these guys were doing I realized that bb at that level is a contest to see who is willing to take more drugs and who can afford more drugs. Everyone who gets to that level has decent genetics so more drugs just improved placings. Look at Flex who is supposed to be the most genetically gifted bb ever. Off drugs he looks like shit. It's stupid, crazy and dangerous.

 

[B3ASTBROBOT]

I think it's crazy if someone is competing or not. I started getting disillusioned with bb as I moved up to national contests like the usa. When I started learning what these guys were doing I realized that bb at that level is a contest to see who is willing to take more drugs and who can afford more drugs. Everyone who gets to that level has decent genetics so more drugs just improved placings. Look at Flex who is supposed to be the most genetically gifted bb ever. Off drugs he looks like shit. It's stupid, crazy and dangerous.

I am a huge fan of BB'n, it completely changed my life when I picked up weights three years ago. Now with my first competition 10wks away I'm seriously contemplating dropping weight leaning out and just going for physique. I talk to the guys at my gym that are also competing and they are taking ridiculous amounts of drugs for a novice show. Wtf. It's a novice show and packing as much oil into your body as possible what the hell are these guys going to do in two years when they maybe move up in the ranks. I know my body can stay at it's current state with safe doses of test and that I like. Safety first and why do something if it's not fun.

 

[certifiablyinsane]

I was a top 3 placing national competitor in my twenties. I placed second in my weight class (super heavyweight) a number of times at the national level, effectively just missing an IFBB pro card. I stopped competing because I wanted to raise a family in good health. I am still well immersed in the bodybuilding industry, and while I stopped a couple years ago, I spent nearly a decade giving hormone advice to competitors as a "guru."

What do the pros really use?

Despite what some would like to believe, not many guys go over 2-2.5 grams of test per week. The typical hormone amount of a mid-level IFBB pro is about 5-6 grams of injectable hormones per week. In addition add in various cycles of orals (usually just dianabol and anadrol - used both offseason and precontest to 'fill out'). 20+ iu's of gh is common, especially as the insulin usage increases as well. Insulin is the #1 factor in creating the biggest bodybuilders. Most successful pros are scared to eat food without using slin. Most pros are on a ****load of random peptides, not because they do a whole lot but because they want every single miniscule edge that may be possible. That means add in IGF-1, MGF and PGF into the mix. Also, they never came off. "off cycle" means being on test, eq, gh and slin.

How common is synthol?

everyone uses site enhancement oils, almost always in the biceps, calves and delts. I dont know any IFBB pro who hasnt used synthol. the whole fst-7 training protocol that is so popular today is entirely based around the usage of synthol.

What causes the 'GH GUT?'

too much insulin over a short period of time. its not intestinal enlargement pushing out the stomach walls. While there are a host of IGF-1 receptors in the intestines, the localized growth that occurs isnt enough to permanentally stretch the abdominal muscle walls, that is absurd. Excessive insulin usage over a short period of time (usually to put on 20-30lbs 6 months or a year) leads to visceral fat buildup. In addition, the constant contest yo-yo dieting combined with the massive over-eating of "bulking" leads to visceral fat buildup that is never lost because the diets dont last long enough to effect it. Add in carb loading, you will see huge guts with distention.

Is anyone really natural?

very few natural bodybuilders are actually natural. To be a high placing natural bodybuilder (in the natural leagues) you need to be at least using a fair amount of otc prohormones/designer steroids. Superdrol and pheraplex are two favorites among the natural crowd. A fair amount of naturals take 400-500mg's/week of test. These are usually the top, top guys. Anavar is also popular. Of course the guys that have been doing it for a while and still compete/market their natural physique are on 5-10 iu's of gh.

Had this on my drive for a while. It is amazing the drugs they would take to compete. Looking back, I was so naive thinking they were natural.

 

[RickRock]

Very good thread.

It saddens me to see things taken to the extremes that they are nowadays, especially for competitors. Dosages are getting ridiculous, and the drugs that people take besides AAS are even more dangerous and ridiculous. I myself love to compete. It is addictive to me, I love being on stage, and there is no better motivation than getting ready for a show. With that said, I don't get wrapped up in winning or losing. I compete solely for the experience, and to just be a better me. The only one I concern myself with beating is my former self. I won't touch diuretics, GH, slin, DNP, Clen, or any of the other dangerous drugs, and always try to keep my dosages moderate and safe. My main concern is health and longevity, and at 40 years old I just want to enjoy myself at this point. Realistically, I probably only have a few more years in me before I stop blasting all together, and just cruise on test after that.

I only started using AAS 4 years ago at 36, and that's why I preach to these kids all the time about the consequences of starting AAS at such a young age. As we all know, it's far too easy to want to make each cycle bigger and better than the last. With that mentality, these young kids are blasting 3-4g of juice per week within a couple years while they are still in their early 20s. They are potentially setting themselves up for some very big repercussions from juicing so hard, so early, and for such a long amount of time by the time they are in their late 30s to early 40s. You can only abuse your body for so long before it catches up with you

 

[jp4355]

So baseball or tennis or anything but competitive bodybuilding. If I had a son who wanted to get into competitive bb I would lock him in a room until he changed his mind. There is nit a more unhealthy sport out there. I would rather him become a race car driver or even a fighter pilot. And, there is no money in bb. In the late 90's I was one of the best middleweight in the whole country but the only opportunity I had to make any money was to pose for gay dudes or be willing to let them suck me off or whatever. Something I couldn't bring myself to do although in my quest to turn pro I did seriously consider it. I know a bb who did gay porno to buy his drugs. And things like that are normal in high level bb. It's fuckin crazy considering that a bbs chances of making any money are slim and none. All the bbs I know or knew, including myself, either sold drugs, stripped for men and/or woman, or did gay shit to afford all the drugs. I mean I would do these crazy things like selling drugs or stripping to pay for all my drugs, food, supplements, travel expenses ect. For a contest and receive a trophy and a few pics in a magazine or two. The whole thing is nuts.

I've been Watching the Whole BB thing since the Late 60's.
I've seen How Twisted It's become, It's a Damn Shame.
I remember when there wasn't a Great Deal of Difference between the Pro's, and the Amateur's............................... JP

 

[getbig1989]

Idk I've spoken to a lot of 90s bodybuilder and they abused other drugs! And I feel like there where not many dr advising blood work exc exc for these guys! If you get bloods done and check your self you should be fine! You hade flex wheeler,kidneys where gone from diuretics he only started getting bloods done in early 2000

 

[Arabian]

I have a question? What type of dosages were you doing to compete and at what point dosage wise do you feel is unhealthy and dangerous for us that just do it as a hobby? Thanks for the post.

Arabian

 

[SimplyScarlet]

Good post!!

BB is a good thing, but don't start body poisoning.

 

[getbig1989]

I have a question? What type of dosages were you doing to compete and at what point dosage wise do you feel is unhealthy and dangerous for us that just do it as a hobby? Thanks for the post.

Arabian

I'll tell you when I felt unhealthy when I added orals winni halotestin exc! Combined with a low calorie diet and not sleeping well because of the hunger and raised metabolism this is at about 6 weeks out my doses are not of a ifbb. And I come off after every long cycle!

 

[Anofuctus]

So baseball or tennis or anything but competitive bodybuilding. If I had a son who wanted to get into competitive bb I would lock him in a room until he changed his mind. There is nit a more unhealthy sport out there. I would rather him become a race car driver or even a fighter pilot. And, there is no money in bb. In the late 90's I was one of the best middleweight in the whole country but the only opportunity I had to make any money was to pose for gay dudes or be willing to let them suck me off or whatever. Something I couldn't bring myself to do although in my quest to turn pro I did seriously consider it. I know a bb who did gay porno to buy his drugs. And things like that are normal in high level bb. It's fuckin crazy considering that a bbs chances of making any money are slim and none. All the bbs I know or knew, including myself, either sold drugs, stripped for men and/or woman, or did gay shit to afford all the drugs. I mean I would do these crazy things like selling drugs or stripping to pay for all my drugs, food, supplements, travel expenses ect. For a contest and receive a trophy and a few pics in a magazine or two. The whole thing is nuts.

Two massive guys getting it on in a video, I watched it for a few seconds and said, "What the fuck"? Bodybuilders in gay and all-female strip clubs, and working as male escorts, and no competitive bodybuilding because I would have to triple my dosage of AAS? MFing Shit!! I may as well go the "bouncer route". Thanks.

 

[kimoaye]

So baseball or tennis or anything but competitive bodybuilding. If I had a son who wanted to get into competitive bb I would lock him in a room until he changed his mind. There is nit a more unhealthy sport out there. I would rather him become a race car driver or even a fighter pilot. And, there is no money in bb. In the late 90's I was one of the best middleweight in the whole country but the only opportunity I had to make any money was to pose for gay dudes or be willing to let them suck me off or whatever. Something I couldn't bring myself to do although in my quest to turn pro I did seriously consider it. I know a bb who did gay porno to buy his drugs. And things like that are normal in high level bb. It's fuckin crazy considering that a bbs chances of making any money are slim and none. All the bbs I know or knew, including myself, either sold drugs, stripped for men and/or woman, or did gay shit to afford all the drugs. I mean I would do these crazy things like selling drugs or stripping to pay for all my drugs, food, supplements, travel expenses ect. For a contest and receive a trophy and a few pics in a magazine or two. The whole thing is nuts.

Its a very interesting read but natural bb is a healthy sport so if its natural its good ppl who abuse steroids have no idea the damage it does inside your body and in the long run but your spot on with your logic

 

[getbig1989]

I think the only reason there is outrageous doses these days is Bc low quality gear instead of it being 250mg it's 150mg back in the 90s there was good quality gear period!!!

 

[maxwell0612]

I have a question? What type of dosages were you doing to compete and at what point dosage wise do you feel is unhealthy and dangerous for us that just do it as a hobby? Thanks for the post.

Arabian

Honestly, I took what I could afford. My last contest was the first time I used gh and insulin. But I had trouble affording the gh so I was doing a small amount, like 2-4ius a day. You have to understand the mentality of a national level npc competitor. Most are just absolutely out of their mind and to do well you have to match them. I think all the other drugs are probably more dangerous. I was using nubain several times a day, clen, t3, ephadrine, cytadren, insulin, gh, and then diuretics like aldactone, and injectable lasix. Add to all that 400 grams of protein a day. Which is totally bad for your kidneys. Anyone can see that this is crazy but I really believe that I had a type of mental problem and that most of these guys also do. 500mgs of test a week or whatever isn't going to hurt you I don't think. It's like everything else in life, moderation is the key.

 

[Arabian]

Honestly, I took what I could afford. My last contest was the first time I used gh and insulin. But I had trouble affording the gh so I was doing a small amount, like 2-4ius a day. You have to understand the mentality of a national level npc competitor. Most are just absolutely out of their mind and to do well you have to match them. I think all the other drugs are probably more dangerous. I was using nubain several times a day, clen, t3, ephadrine, cytadren, insulin, gh, and then diuretics like aldactone, and injectable lasix. Add to all that 400 grams of protein a day. Which is totally bad for your kidneys. Anyone can see that this is crazy but I really believe that I had a type of mental problem and that most of these guys also do. 500mgs of test a week or whatever isn't going to hurt you I don't think. It's like everything else in life, moderation is the key.

You are exactly correct. I myself am guilty in the past of seeing gains and saying well if 500mgs is good then 750mgs is better mentality. I think and hope as long as you keep conservative with your doses and do not go crazy and you monitor your blood work and BP via a good Dr. then all is ok. Thanks for the post, very informative. BTW: Welcome to Evolutionary Maxwell.

 

[maxwell0612]

You are exactly correct. I myself am guilty in the past of seeing gains and saying well if 500mgs is good then 750mgs is better mentality. I think and hope as long as you keep conservative with your doses and do not go crazy and you monitor your blood work and BP via a good Dr. then all is ok. Thanks for the post, very informative. BTW: Welcome to Evolutionary Maxwell.

Definitely . Getting blood work is a absolutely great thing. I competed from 18 to 27 and never got a blood test. No one did back then, no one had any idea what was going in their bodies. You just took it and hoped for the best. I would take multiple steroids just in case one was fake. No one ever realized that blood tests would show if something is real or not. Blood tests definitely make using aas safer. But, it's not only the physical part that is bad in competitive bb. It affects your life poorly and fucks up relationships. It's a sport that rewards obsessive behavior in multiple ways. It doesn't allow for moderation because moderation=a bad placing. I was in law school my last contest and I almost failed out because I stopped going to class so I could train, or eat, or tan or shoot nubain. I almost ruined a legal career for something that had no financial reward. That is sick behavior.

 

[maxwell0612]

I am a huge fan of BB'n, it completely changed my life when I picked up weights three years ago. Now with my first competition 10wks away I'm seriously contemplating dropping weight leaning out and just going for physique. I talk to the guys at my gym that are also competing and they are taking ridiculous amounts of drugs for a novice show. Wtf. It's a novice show and packing as much oil into your body as possible what the hell are these guys going to do in two years when they maybe move up in the ranks. I know my body can stay at it's current state with safe doses of test and that I like. Safety first and why do something if it's not fun.

Physique is actually a decent idea but don't kid yourself, those guys are using mad amounts of drugs too. I competed against Caprice Murray when he was a middleweight in 1997 (Victor Martinez was a light heavy and won the overall). Victor and Caprice were good friends and the both went bat shit crazy after that show. I saw Caprice at the 2000 nationals and he looked totally toxic his head was the size of a pumkin. Caprice went up to heavyweight for christ sakes. He's now in physique and he looks exactly the same as he did in 1997. I'm sure he's using less than he was as a heavyweight bb but is he using a safe amount? I doubt it highly.

 

[maxwell0612]

Two massive guys getting it on in a video, I watched it for a few seconds and said, "What the fuck"? Bodybuilders in gay and all-female strip clubs, and working as male escorts, and no competitive bodybuilding because I would have to triple my dosage of AAS? MFing Shit!! I may as well go the "bouncer route". Thanks.

If you want a good example of what bbs are willing to do for drug money Google Kai Green fucking a grapefruit. It's no different than a crack addict giving blow jobs for crack. It's addiction to steroids and bb in general. I would have fucked a grapefruit in a second back then if it gave me money for drugs.

 

[EER]

Nuts man...just nuts what people will do.

 

[Polish Rifle]

Mike Matarazzo died today at the age of 48 from heart issues as well:

http://www.flexonline.com/general-news/rip-mike-matarazzo