Approved Log My First Testosterone Cycle Log

[haydz]

Hey guys! first time posting on here so apologies if it’s messy, i’m currently on trt

Information:

• Age: 23
• Height: 5’10
• Weight: 99kg
• Body Fat % (estimated): 30%
• Training Experience (in years): 5

Training:

10k steps a day is my main form of “cardio”

Currently following john meadows “Warlock” program (upper/lower split rotating the emphasis on muscle groups each week) usually 3-4 sets 8-12 reps

focusing on progressive over load each workout and it’s been going well so far

also recently started BJJ 2x a week

Diet:

• Daily Caloric Intake: 2200-2400 (cutting rn)

a ball park for the macros:

P:160 C:140 F:60
honestly i only really focus on my calories and protein most of the time.
i eat mostly clean low calorie high protein foods with the occasional snacking on the weekends.

Supplements:
T Cyp 250: 42.5mg 3x weekly at 127.5mg/week

HCG 5Ml: 0.15ml 3x weekly

Anastrozole 1MG: quarter tablet x2 a week

( bloods came back okay so i stopped taking it and switched to 3x weekly injection frequency to see if i even need an AI, waiting a few months to re test bloods and see if it helped)
Magnesium

Blood Work:

Will attach photos of most recent bloods at the end.

I plan to do Pre, Mid and Post blood tests during cycle



Cycle Plan:

• Cycle Goals: Build Muscle or hold onto it, Get leaner, Get stronger or maintain
• Compounds Planned for Use: 300mg of test cyp, Hcg, Anastrozole,
• Dosage and Frequency: Test cyp would be split into 3x injections of 100mg each, hcg will stay the same
• Cycle Length: 12 weeks
• Plan to blast and cruise back to my trt dose of 127mg a week.

(i’m not sure what dose to take for the anastrozole, some guidance would be appreciated!)



Additional Notes/Goals:

i work 12 hour night shifts week on week off, so my week at work my sleep suffers (4-6 hours of sleep)

i think i’m pretty sensitive to E2, when i started my trt dose i built up to 200mg a week still taking quarter a tablet of anastrozole x2 a week and my E2 Came back at 204 and the range is less than 160, lowered my test to 150 mg a week for a few months and it came back at 191, so i lowered all the way down to 127mg of test and its been good at 123 so i removed the AI and increased injection freq to 3x a week to try and reduce taking stuff if i don’t need to, will update in a month

i’ve been on TRT (clinic) for over a year i know i’m quite young but this was a choice i sat on for years dealing with low levels and symptoms and it has completely changed my life for the better.

Currently on a cut (20kg down) so i think it’s better for me to wait until i finish to actually start the cycle right?

also thinking of starting a low dose of sema glutide to help finish off the cut

also any guidance with the anastrozole dosing during the 300mg of test cyp cycle would be appreciated!



Heres my blood work with some pictures i took today too!

 

[s.gentz]

@haydz
Welcome to EVO bro.
Are you on doctor TRT? Your pretty young to need TRT.
Your def lower BF than 30%. Prob closer to 20%. Most guys underestimate BF level. LOL
Cycle looks good although you might be better served running 500mg/wk test. If your already taking 175mg/wk going to 300 will prob be underwhelming. Arimidex plan of .25mg x 2/wk is a good start. Keep an eye out for high E symptoms/water retention/BP rise and adjust AI.
Def finish cutting before your cycle starts. Once done cutting work slowly back up to maintenance so you don't rebound hard. Stay there for a few weeks and then start the cycle and start adding cals in.
Will be following. We are all here to help you make the most out of this cycle. Keep the log going with daily updates on training/diet.
Here is a link to my log if you want you can use it as a template.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2024-2025-build-log.101897/

 

[haydz]

@haydz
Welcome to EVO bro.
Are you on doctor TRT? Your pretty young to need TRT.
Your def lower BF than 30%. Prob closer to 20%. Most guys underestimate BF level. LOL
Cycle looks good although you might be better served running 500mg/wk test. If your already taking 175mg/wk going to 300 will prob be underwhelming. Arimidex plan of .25mg x 2/wk is a good start. Keep an eye out for high E symptoms/water retention/BP rise and adjust AI.
Def finish cutting before your cycle starts. Once done cutting work slowly back up to maintenance so you don't rebound hard. Stay there for a few weeks and then start the cycle and start adding cals in.
Will be following. We are all here to help you make the most out of this cycle. Keep the log going with daily updates on training/diet.
Here is a link to my log if you want you can use it as a template.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2024-2025-build-log.101897/

@haydz
Welcome to EVO bro.
Are you on doctor TRT? Your pretty young to need TRT.
Your def lower BF than 30%. Prob closer to 20%. Most guys underestimate BF level. LOL
Cycle looks good although you might be better served running 500mg/wk test. If your already taking 175mg/wk going to 300 will prob be underwhelming. Arimidex plan of .25mg x 2/wk is a good start. Keep an eye out for high E symptoms/water retention/BP rise and adjust AI.
Def finish cutting before your cycle starts. Once done cutting work slowly back up to maintenance so you don't rebound hard. Stay there for a few weeks and then start the cycle and start adding cals in.
Will be following. We are all here to help you make the most out of this cycle. Keep the log going with daily updates on training/diet.
Here is a link to my log if you want you can use it as a template.
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2024-2025-build-log.101897/

thanks for the reply bro!
yes it’s doctor prescribed, i tried to avoid trt but ive never felt this good in years so it seems like a net positive tbh
hahah thanks man i think its just the pump, lighting and angle scoring me a few extra points
im only on 127mg a week right now, and was worried about the sides if i jumped straight to 500 so was gonna slowly titrate up, but you have a good point.
Ohh so reverse diet back up, hold it and THEN start the cycle that makes a lot of sense thanks for that!
for ai i would increase it to .25 3x a week instead or even more depending on sides?
thanks for everything ill have a look at your log for some tips cause this is all new to me lol cheers!

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Hey guys! first time posting on here so apologies if it’s messy, i’m currently on trt

Information:

• Age: 23
• Height: 5’10
• Weight: 99kg
• Body Fat % (estimated): 30%
• Training Experience (in years): 5

Training:

10k steps a day is my main form of “cardio”

Currently following john meadows “Warlock” program (upper/lower split rotating the emphasis on muscle groups each week) usually 3-4 sets 8-12 reps

focusing on progressive over load each workout and it’s been going well so far

also recently started BJJ 2x a week

Diet:

• Daily Caloric Intake: 2200-2400 (cutting rn)

a ball park for the macros:

P:160 C:140 F:60
honestly i only really focus on my calories and protein most of the time.
i eat mostly clean low calorie high protein foods with the occasional snacking on the weekends.

Supplements:
T Cyp 250: 42.5mg 3x weekly at 127.5mg/week

HCG 5Ml: 0.15ml 3x weekly

Anastrozole 1MG: quarter tablet x2 a week

( bloods came back okay so i stopped taking it and switched to 3x weekly injection frequency to see if i even need an AI, waiting a few months to re test bloods and see if it helped)
Magnesium

Blood Work:

Will attach photos of most recent bloods at the end.

I plan to do Pre, Mid and Post blood tests during cycle



Cycle Plan:

• Cycle Goals: Build Muscle or hold onto it, Get leaner, Get stronger or maintain
• Compounds Planned for Use: 300mg of test cyp, Hcg, Anastrozole,
• Dosage and Frequency: Test cyp would be split into 3x injections of 100mg each, hcg will stay the same
• Cycle Length: 12 weeks
• Plan to blast and cruise back to my trt dose of 127mg a week.

(i’m not sure what dose to take for the anastrozole, some guidance would be appreciated!)



Additional Notes/Goals:

i work 12 hour night shifts week on week off, so my week at work my sleep suffers (4-6 hours of sleep)

i think i’m pretty sensitive to E2, when i started my trt dose i built up to 200mg a week still taking quarter a tablet of anastrozole x2 a week and my E2 Came back at 204 and the range is less than 160, lowered my test to 150 mg a week for a few months and it came back at 191, so i lowered all the way down to 127mg of test and its been good at 123 so i removed the AI and increased injection freq to 3x a week to try and reduce taking stuff if i don’t need to, will update in a month

i’ve been on TRT (clinic) for over a year i know i’m quite young but this was a choice i sat on for years dealing with low levels and symptoms and it has completely changed my life for the better.

Currently on a cut (20kg down) so i think it’s better for me to wait until i finish to actually start the cycle right?

also thinking of starting a low dose of sema glutide to help finish off the cut

also any guidance with the anastrozole dosing during the 300mg of test cyp cycle would be appreciated!



Heres my blood work with some pictures i took today too!
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@haydz welcome to the EVO family we are very happy to see you share this log.

Cycle
I would usually say 0 arimidex with 125mgs of testosterone
but you're saying at 200mgs your E2 was how much? you sure? do you have those bloods
thats not normal usually
unless you have oversensitive thyroid
@AE1079 can you give your thoughts?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred as you go for progress every 2 weeks
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

 

[haydz]

@haydz welcome to the EVO family we are very happy to see you share this log.

Cycle
I would usually say 0 arimidex with 125mgs of testosterone
but you're saying at 200mgs your E2 was how much? you sure? do you have those bloods
thats not normal usually
unless you have oversensitive thyroid
@AE1079 can you give your thoughts?

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred as you go for progress every 2 weeks
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

eBooks
download our eBooks and learn more about cycling:
https://irongorillas.com

Podcast
are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/

thank you and share more

thanks for all the tips! i’ll try to get started on updating daily, here are the bloods from that time 18/12/23

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

thanks for all the tips! i’ll try to get started on updating daily, here are the bloods from that time 18/12/23

@haydz great EVO family will be looking forward to your updates bro

the Bloods
wow, you saying you got these testosterone levels from TRT clinic?
the testosterone vial the clinic gave you or you got it online?
seems very very high for 200mgs testosterone (cyp or enan?)

 

[stevesmi]

Great information to start this log. You're on trt but it is what it is just be aware you'll have to pin yourself once a week for the rest of your life

 

[s.gentz]

thanks for the reply bro!
yes it’s doctor prescribed, i tried to avoid trt but ive never felt this good in years so it seems like a net positive tbh
hahah thanks man i think its just the pump, lighting and angle scoring me a few extra points
im only on 127mg a week right now, and was worried about the sides if i jumped straight to 500 so was gonna slowly titrate up, but you have a good point.
Ohh so reverse diet back up, hold it and THEN start the cycle that makes a lot of sense thanks for that!
for ai i would increase it to .25 3x a week instead or even more depending on sides?
thanks for everything ill have a look at your log for some tips cause this is all new to me lol cheers!

That's good that you are prescribed. I don't like younger guys going on test when they have good levels still. They just don;t wanna call it what it is. Being on gear.
The ester in the gear will titrate up for you. Your wasting time if you titrate. It will take 4-5 weeks for the test to reach full blood saturation. Goo 500 from the start. You could do .25t arimidex mon/wed/fri to start.
Def reverse diet. Better to go slow and let your body reach homeostasis for a while prior to starting to grow.

 

[Quadsweep]

maybe a little hot on the test
won't hurt to drop it a tad down

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro how much trt you on?
you should do sports trt

 

[JasonPriest]

no way are you 30% body fat
get some better pics without hair. but i would say you were 15%

 

[Austin316]

your body looks very seasoned for a 23 year old
make sure you do this the right way and you continue to update us

 

[sambee38]

yeah no way you're 30% body fat
where in the world did you come up with that number

 

[BookerTNY]

I'm curious to see more about your diet
it's hard for a 23 year old to eat healthy

 

[Arabian]

nice start to this log
i want to see more about your training and diet over the next few weeks

 

[Mobster]

I'll say between 15 and 20%

 

[haydz]

bro how much trt you on?
you should do sports trt

i’m on 127mg per week atm

 

[haydz]

Great information to start this log. You're on trt but it is what it is just be aware you'll have to pin yourself once a week for the rest of your life

thank you! and yeah for sure, i’ve been pinning like 6 times a week for a year (3x test 3x hcg) and it takes like 5 minutes so i’m not too bothered

 

[haydz]

@haydz great EVO family will be looking forward to your updates bro

the Bloods
wow, you saying you got these testosterone levels from TRT clinic?
the testosterone vial the clinic gave you or you got it online?
seems very very high for 200mgs testosterone (cyp or enan?)

yeah when they prescribed 200mg my levels got high and so did my e2 so i decided to come back down, the vial was from the clinic. (test cyp 250)

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

yeah when they prescribed 200mg my levels got high and so did my e2 so i decided to come back down, the vial was from the clinic. (test cyp 250)

do you have the brand of TRT testosterone you using? can you please share a pic of the vial (test cyp 200) really curious what would boost the e2 soo high at 200mgs, curiosity bro @haydz

 

[haydz]

do you have the brand of TRT testosterone you using? can you please share a pic of the vial (test cyp 200) really curious what would boost the e2 soo high at 200mgs, curiosity bro @haydz

no brand, it was compounded by the clinic so it just has my details and the dose i need to take. no brand or anything just unmarked vials :/

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

no brand, it was compounded by the clinic so it just has my details and the dose i need to take. no brand or anything just unmarked vials :/

thats possible compounding pharmacies overdosed, easy now I get what happened
have you try to use UG gear non pharma yet? @haydz

 

[haydz]

thats possible compounding pharmacies overdosed, easy now I get what happened
have you try to use UG gear non pharma yet? @haydz

i’ve got some on hand, just waiting for my clinic stash to run out, if i knew UG gear was quarter of the price i would of got it since day 1 hahaha

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

i’ve got some on hand, just waiting for my clinic stash to run out, if i knew UG gear was quarter of the price i would of got it since day 1 hahaha

now I'll be curious if you use 200mgs of UG test cyp what would be your Test vs E2 levels
I've heard of TRT compounding clinics overdosing, or you're just an amazing responder bro @haydz

 

[haydz]

now I'll be curious if you use 200mgs of UG test cyp what would be your Test vs E2 levels
I've heard of TRT compounding clinics overdosing, or you're just an amazing responder bro @haydz

i’ll definitely update my bloods once i start using it, that would be cool if i just respond well but it’s a headache tryna manage e2

 

[haydz]

not sure i’ll be able to do DAILY updates but i’ll try

2/12

Weight: 91.2kg

Macros: 2000cals/160P/178C/60F

2 chicken wraps, 1 satay chicken meal prep, 2 scoops protein water, 1 protein up and go drink and 6 kiwis

wasn’t feeling too hungry today so lower calories than usual

No training update today.

feeling really fatigued after night shifts so i skipped the gym for the extra sleep (7 hours)

Supps/Meds

42.5mg test cyp
0.15ml HCG
1 magnesium tablet

been having this wrap daily for my weeks at work quick and easy with decent macros

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

@haydz great EVO family will be looking forward to your updates bro

the Bloods
wow, you saying you got these testosterone levels from TRT clinic?
the testosterone vial the clinic gave you or you got it online?
seems very very high for 200mgs testosterone (cyp or enan?)

@AE1079 check out this post and the ones to follow, I read you and @Eddie Haskell were talking about "fake" primo possible or spiked tesosterone with an ai, seems this is an interesting case of pharmaceutical grade testosterone with high test results

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

not sure i’ll be able to do DAILY updates but i’ll try

2/12

Weight: 91.2kg

Macros: 2000cals/160P/178C/60F

2 chicken wraps, 1 satay chicken meal prep, 2 scoops protein water, 1 protein up and go drink and 6 kiwis

wasn’t feeling too hungry today so lower calories than usual

No training update today.

feeling really fatigued after night shifts so i skipped the gym for the extra sleep (7 hours)

Supps/Meds

42.5mg test cyp
0.15ml HCG
1 magnesium tablet

been having this wrap daily for my weeks at work quick and easy with decent macros
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very nice meal bro but I would up the protein way more, over 200 grams
if you cant get it from food, drink a protein shake or protein bar @haydz

 

[haydz]

very nice meal bro but I would up the protein way more, over 200 grams
if you cant get it from food, drink a protein shake or protein bar @haydz

thanks bro! i for sure agree on the protein it’s been quite low lately

 

[AE1079]

@AE1079 check out this post and the ones to follow, I read you and @Eddie Haskell were talking about "fake" primo possible or spiked tesosterone with an ai, seems this is an interesting case of pharmaceutical grade testosterone with high test results

Tbh man this looks normal
Cyp is a long ester, has some build up in serum and test results may come up higher, which I have seen in a lot of guys using test cyp
SHBG is low which is giving a nice free test reading and not binding it up.
Can’t say there’s nothing out of the ordinary here for what he’s doing. Some people are also slow metabolisers of drugs others a little quicker. That can also be a factor.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Tbh man this looks normal
Cyp is a long ester, has some build up in serum and test results may come up higher, which I have seen in a lot of guys using test cyp
SHBG is low which is giving a nice free test reading and not binding it up.
Can’t say there’s nothing out of the ordinary here for what he’s doing. Some people are also slow metabolisers of drugs others a little quicker. That can also be a factor.

@AE1079 even with long esters his results are outstanding bro
I would like to see him compare it to UG test on the bloods though

 

[stevesmi]

That is a good looking meal

 

[ballin2504]

Nice start to the log

 

[Quadsweep]

daily updates would be fantastic
but we understand if you can only do it a few times a week

 

[BodyMonster34]

Bro skip the gym come on
no more skipping gym whimps do that

 

[JasonPriest]

wow that looks like a delicious little meal
I like stuff like that

 

[AE1079]

@AE1079 even with long esters his results are outstanding bro
I would like to see him compare it to UG test on the bloods though

I had a client on test c at same dose and he’s came back even higher.. so many factors are involved when it comes to metabolism and serum results. It’s not so binary in nature

 

[caligirl85]

solid job as usual
I agree many factors are involved in metabolism

 

[zedhed]

if you're not hungry then no reason to force yourself
keep your diet consistent

 

[Shrine]

as long as the wrap is made with quality ingredients
its a good one

 

[Zyglamail]

This is a great meal you put together
and it looks very healthy

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I had a client on test c at same dose and he’s came back even higher.. so many factors are involved when it comes to metabolism and serum results. It’s not so binary in nature

thats legit bro @AE1079 purely was reading your other convo with @Eddie Haskell followed it now was thinking about this TRT test
I had clients on 150mgs TRT with much lower results, like a lot lower, thinking its genetic and receptor affinity as well

 

[AE1079]

thats legit bro @AE1079 purely was reading your other convo with @Eddie Haskell followed it now was thinking about this TRT test
I had clients on 150mgs TRT with much lower results, like a lot lower, thinking its genetic and receptor affinity as well

It’s just hard to point the finger we can only speculate, having the time to pull it apart and reengineer the outcome doesn’t change it unfortunately but my argument with that was there’s really no gain to swap compounds and replace for others. Some products are more expensive for sure, and also require more raw material to make, so if anything I think labs would stay away with tampering with products as it’s not in the best interest for their wallet, not a long term solution or sustainable and you would be dumb to be potentially exposed.. my 2c

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

It’s just hard to point the finger we can only speculate, having the time to pull it apart and reengineer the outcome doesn’t change it unfortunately but my argument with that was there’s really no gain to swap compounds and replace for others. Some products are more expensive for sure, and also require more raw material to make, so if anything I think labs would stay away with tampering with products as it’s not in the best interest for their wallet, not a long term solution or sustainable and you would be dumb to be potentially exposed.. my 2c

I agree, swapping is a waste of time bro its like a nonsense move in the middle of a stack right

I rather see more consistency in our EVO family members @AE1079
also heard you being promoted, but just in the mod rumor mill

 

[AE1079]

I agree, swapping is a waste of time bro its like a nonsense move in the middle of a stack right

I rather see more consistency in our EVO family members @AE1079
also heard you being promoted, but just in the mod rumor mill

Well I would hope they won’t.. if they do then god help them they would be called out immediately, would like to push for random testing somehow to keep uniformity amongst it all, but that’s hard to enforce or maintain for sure.

This is news to me

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Well I would hope they won’t.. if they do then god help them they would be called out immediately, would like to push for random testing somehow to keep uniformity amongst it all, but that’s hard to enforce or maintain for sure.

This is news to me

thats an interesting view on it bro @AE1079 we will see in time what @haydz decides to do

yea I was going to DM you but I posted it here by accident, wasnt support to lol its late here so hopefully head mods dont see until you already promoted

 

[Mobster]

Sometimes with food we eat what we need to now what we want to.

 

[haydz]

3/12
Weight: 90.7kg
Macros: 2107cals/180P/145C/89F
1 chicken wrap, 1 chicken tender, 2 protein water scoops, 3 shami kebabs, 3 rice cakes pre workout, 1 chicken noodle stir fry meal prep, 160g brussel sprouts.

feeling good today
(6 hours of sleep)

Supps/Meds
1 magnesium tablet

Training:
Lower body today, good session. nothing too heavy just tryna get a feel of the new movements.

Seated Leg Curls: 54kg 3x8
High and wide leg press: 60kg 3x12
Walking lunges: 12kg 3x20
Smith Machine RDL: 60kg 3x8
Seated Calf raise: 15kg 3x10
leg raise machine: 3x15 BW

i lost my sex drive for a few weeks (e2?) but i think ever since switching to 3x a week injection freq it might be helping, will update soon.

how long should i wait to test my e2 levels? ive only just switched to 3x trt injections the last week or 2

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

3/12
Weight: 90.7kg
Macros: 2107cals/180P/145C/89F
1 chicken wrap, 1 chicken tender, 2 protein water scoops, 3 shami kebabs, 3 rice cakes pre workout, 1 chicken noodle stir fry meal prep, 160g brussel sprouts.

feeling good today
(6 hours of sleep)

Supps/Meds
1 magnesium tablet

Training:
Lower body today, good session. nothing too heavy just tryna get a feel of the new movements.

Seated Leg Curls: 54kg 3x8
High and wide leg press: 60kg 3x12
Walking lunges: 12kg 3x20
Smith Machine RDL: 60kg 3x8
Seated Calf raise: 15kg 3x10
leg raise machine: 3x15 BW

i lost my sex drive for a few weeks (e2?) but i think ever since switching to 3x a week injection freq it might be helping, will update soon.

how long should i wait to test my e2 levels? ive only just switched to 3x trt injections the last week or 2

@haydz you lost your sex drive? i would say lets see 1 week in how you feel with 3x/injections and you dont have an Ai right?
you should consider adding a test booster though like hcgenerate fadogia based

protein should go up in the diet, try to add a protein shake

 

[haydz]

@haydz you lost your sex drive? i would say lets see 1 week in how you feel with 3x/injections and you dont have an Ai right?
you should consider adding a test booster though like hcgenerate fadogia based

protein should go up in the diet, try to add a protein shake

yeah 2 weeks ago i was feeling quite low no drive for anything but it’s been better slowly, it’s been one week since starting 3x injections, yeah i’ve got ai just trying to avoid it, will keep your tips in mind! thanks man

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

yeah 2 weeks ago i was feeling quite low no drive for anything but it’s been better slowly, it’s been one week since starting 3x injections, yeah i’ve got ai just trying to avoid it, will keep your tips in mind! thanks man

dont use the Ai lets feel this out first on the multi shot to be careful brotha
update how you feel tomorrow please

 

[haydz]

dont use the Ai lets feel this out first on the multi shot to be careful brotha
update how you feel tomorrow please

yeah for sure trying to avoid an AI if possible, how long do u reckon i should wait before getting a blood test to chest the new levels?

 

[stevesmi]

Balancing your estrogen levels can be a little hard at first but once you learn how your body reacts you'll get the hang of it

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

yeah for sure trying to avoid an AI if possible, how long do u reckon i should wait before getting a blood test to chest the new levels?

I would wait 2 weeks on this new schedule and see how you do test it out bro @haydz

 

[Mobster]

Why 3x a week for TRT?

 

[haydz]

Why 3x a week for TRT?

e2 was getting high and i wanted to avoid AI

 

[Noah Wixx]

That feel good feeling definitely will fade after a while of being on it isnt permanent unfortunately.

 

[Noah Wixx]

Dont have to be daily just updates when youbuave something to update

 

[RoySimpson]

Hey guys! first time posting on here so apologies if it’s messy, i’m currently on trt

Information:

• Age: 23
• Height: 5’10
• Weight: 99kg
• Body Fat % (estimated): 30%
• Training Experience (in years): 5

Training:

10k steps a day is my main form of “cardio”

Currently following john meadows “Warlock” program (upper/lower split rotating the emphasis on muscle groups each week) usually 3-4 sets 8-12 reps

focusing on progressive over load each workout and it’s been going well so far

also recently started BJJ 2x a week

Diet:

• Daily Caloric Intake: 2200-2400 (cutting rn)

a ball park for the macros:

P:160 C:140 F:60
honestly i only really focus on my calories and protein most of the time.
i eat mostly clean low calorie high protein foods with the occasional snacking on the weekends.

Supplements:
T Cyp 250: 42.5mg 3x weekly at 127.5mg/week

HCG 5Ml: 0.15ml 3x weekly

Anastrozole 1MG: quarter tablet x2 a week

( bloods came back okay so i stopped taking it and switched to 3x weekly injection frequency to see if i even need an AI, waiting a few months to re test bloods and see if it helped)
Magnesium

Blood Work:

Will attach photos of most recent bloods at the end.

I plan to do Pre, Mid and Post blood tests during cycle



Cycle Plan:

• Cycle Goals: Build Muscle or hold onto it, Get leaner, Get stronger or maintain
• Compounds Planned for Use: 300mg of test cyp, Hcg, Anastrozole,
• Dosage and Frequency: Test cyp would be split into 3x injections of 100mg each, hcg will stay the same
• Cycle Length: 12 weeks
• Plan to blast and cruise back to my trt dose of 127mg a week.

(i’m not sure what dose to take for the anastrozole, some guidance would be appreciated!)



Additional Notes/Goals:

i work 12 hour night shifts week on week off, so my week at work my sleep suffers (4-6 hours of sleep)

i think i’m pretty sensitive to E2, when i started my trt dose i built up to 200mg a week still taking quarter a tablet of anastrozole x2 a week and my E2 Came back at 204 and the range is less than 160, lowered my test to 150 mg a week for a few months and it came back at 191, so i lowered all the way down to 127mg of test and its been good at 123 so i removed the AI and increased injection freq to 3x a week to try and reduce taking stuff if i don’t need to, will update in a month

i’ve been on TRT (clinic) for over a year i know i’m quite young but this was a choice i sat on for years dealing with low levels and symptoms and it has completely changed my life for the better.

Currently on a cut (20kg down) so i think it’s better for me to wait until i finish to actually start the cycle right?

also thinking of starting a low dose of sema glutide to help finish off the cut

also any guidance with the anastrozole dosing during the 300mg of test cyp cycle would be appreciated!



Heres my blood work with some pictures i took today too!
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@haydz Looking forward to following!

 

[ballin2504]

Great job. Food pic looked good man

 

[ceo]

Bros Keep an eye on the sex drive
sometimes it can be a red flag of an underlying issue coming up

 

[ROIDDERS]

that's why we do these logs and encourage them
to make sure that if something changes we can be on top of it

 

[chesty]

estrogen changes can certainly affect all of this
that's why it's important to get blood work done and find the right balance

 

[Ulter]

don't worry man you'll be fine
just keep grinding and keeping the workouts consistent

 

[e2]

I think you have some room to improve your diet
example instead of chicken noodle stir fry just do some plain chicken breast with some broccoli

 

[2Thick]

are you prepping your own food because that's going to be important
you don't want to be eating out and restaurant food

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

I like your training session from yesterday
you hit some good different leg workouts

 

[Wootoom]

the only thing I can really hit you on is doing Smith machine Romanian deadlifts
get off the Smith machine and do them more free

 

[JasonPriest]

walking lunges and seated leg curls are the best
they work really well together

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro get a hot lot lizard wearing a lingerie.
you will get back sex drive in no time

 

[Quadsweep]

so good job you hit your hamstrings really good on that exercise
it's a good workout a lot of people neglect their hammies

 

[Noah Wixx]

Laying leg curl or belt squat are two of my favorite leg movements.

 

[RoySimpson]

not sure i’ll be able to do DAILY updates but i’ll try

2/12

Weight: 91.2kg

Macros: 2000cals/160P/178C/60F

2 chicken wraps, 1 satay chicken meal prep, 2 scoops protein water, 1 protein up and go drink and 6 kiwis

wasn’t feeling too hungry today so lower calories than usual

No training update today.

feeling really fatigued after night shifts so i skipped the gym for the extra sleep (7 hours)

Supps/Meds

42.5mg test cyp
0.15ml HCG
1 magnesium tablet

been having this wrap daily for my weeks at work quick and easy with decent macros
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@haydz that looks delcious!

 

[ballin2504]

bro get a hot lot lizard wearing a lingerie.
you will get back sex drive in no time

This guy lol

 

[25homes]

Great job

 

[25homes]

Killer work

 

[haydz]

for the past few weeks i stopped ai and switched to 3x injections a week for trt, my last injection was on wednesday and i took a blood test friday before my friday injection and these are the results, E2 came back quite high and im getting sides this is only on 130mg of test a week, should i start ai again for ever?

 

[haydz]

(blood test was taken 2 days after my last injection)

 

[Eddie Haskell]

for the past few weeks i stopped ai and switched to 3x injections a week for trt, my last injection was on wednesday and i took a blood test friday before my friday injection and these are the results, E2 came back quite high and im getting sides this is only on 130mg of test a week, should i start ai again for ever? View attachment 64846View attachment 64848

(blood test was taken 2 days after my last injection)

@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do

 

[AE1079]

@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do

He’s doing 3x weekly injections.

 

[haydz]

@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do

yes i’ve got arimidex on hand which i’ll start up again, thanks for the info!

 

[AE1079]

@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do

And ED Injections will keep serum more stable. It’s not a replacement for a AI, never have I mentioned that this is going LOWER AI, It’s a method to keep E2 and Test stable and stopping high fluctuations and E2 side effects, so balance yes. E2 doesn’t come down. It will stabilise much more. Then having peaks and trophs.

It works on a lot of people, also some patience and time will so the body can bring itself to a homeostasis and not a midpoint while it’s still adjusting. It may not work for some, but it’s a method to mitigate FLUCTUATIONS causing unwanted side effects.

Like I have told you before @Eddie Haskell you have your beliefs and I have mine he needs E2 control, but I don’t think this is an argument here bro because he’s doing 3x weekly not 7x weekly.

I don’t see what you are trying to prove based on 3x weekly injections vs 7x.. it’s double the frequency + .2 change

 

[Eddie Haskell]

yes i’ve got arimidex on hand which i’ll start up again, thanks for the info!

Lets start 0.25mgs EOD with arimidex asap

 

[Eddie Haskell]

And ED Injections will keep serum more stable. It’s not a replacement for a AI, never have I mentioned that this is going LOWER AI, It’s a method to keep E2 and Test stable and stopping high fluctuations and E2 side effects, so balance yes. E2 doesn’t come down. It will stabilise much more. Then having peaks and trophs.

It works on a lot of people, also some patience and time will so the body can bring itself to a homeostasis and not a midpoint while it’s still adjusting. It may not work for some, but it’s a method to mitigate FLUCTUATIONS causing unwanted side effects.

Like I have told you before @Eddie Haskell you have your beliefs and I have mine he needs E2 control, but I don’t think this is an argument here bro because he’s doing 3x weekly not 7x weekly.

I don’t see what you are trying to prove based on 3x weekly injections vs 7x.. it’s double the frequency + .2 change

@AE1079 I think if the estrogen is 200% higher than normal its clear that more frequent injections didnt help @haydz and honestly @AE1079 I found E2 control even with ED injections (high pip for no reason) its like 20-30% difference at best, if that.
I think that more plats more dates Derek spread this nonsense and everyone is saying it gospel. Blood work every time just blows this out of the water. ED shots are never a replacement for an Ai for majority of users.

I hate to be pushy on this but too many guys these days walking around with high E2 thinking frequent shots will help. Sure they help Testosterone spikes and a bit with estrogen but they need an Ai and/or SErM in many cases imo.

I like talking to you AE, we see things on different sides and can discuss man

 

[haydz]

Lets start 0.25mgs EOD with arimidex asap

EOD so like 4x a week forever? before i stopped the AI i was on 0.25 x2 a week and my levels seemed quite good

 

[stevesmi]

When it comes to proper trt the objection I have is why do you need an AI in the first place
I would drop the dose lower

 

[AE1079]

@AE1079 I think if the estrogen is 200% higher than normal its clear that more frequent injections didnt help @haydz and honestly @AE1079 I found E2 control even with ED injections (high pip for no reason) its like 20-30% difference at best, if that.
I think that more plats more dates Derek spread this nonsense and everyone is saying it gospel. Blood work every time just blows this out of the water. ED shots are never a replacement for an Ai for majority of users.

I hate to be pushy on this but too many guys these days walking around with high E2 thinking frequent shots will help. Sure they help Testosterone spikes and a bit with estrogen but they need an Ai and/or SErM in many cases imo.

I like talking to you AE, we see things on different sides and can discuss man

Looking at the 3 x weekly, that’s not going to change anything for E2 most likely another injection at that frequency will increase E2. E2 is responsive to test pending genetics response, but there is always a up with test going up two, we can agree on that.

Even with 20% at best let’s say, imagine then when you stack with primo/mast.. another 20-30%. Like you said previously. They all add up to modulate E2 without a AI + the anabolic benefit is there. I like to think more outside the square I think. MPMD theorised it ? It’s 100% not gospel. However I see the value in daily injections IF, the person is inclined and willing to administer ED. majority of the population will be EOD max. Compliance is an issue, that’s why they give people long estered T as TRT to mitigate injections, the low dose TRT won’t even warrant a use of a AI in most individuals. However I don’t think this is optimal, there’s a fair bit of research gone into ED injections and it looks and anecdotally is more promising then split biweekly or 3x. Long esters you can definitely get away with it, but shorter like E and prop, there will be fluctuations. Response to this is raising E2 by the body to compensate. Sometimes even progesterone.

I don’t think your being pushy, I think your being diligent with it and trying to find the best solution for the problem. I just think AIs aren’t great and I wouldn’t want a client on mine on a AI if we can mitigate with the above. Again not for the majority I will admit. AIs are just so shit bro.. seriously bad on lipids and cholesterol, rebounds can be bad as well leading to more issues after cycle. Some people do need it though I agree. But majority we can mitigate without the use of a AI.. what do you think? If you were in a position where a client comes to you and says @Eddie Haskell i want to run a cycle with no AI, what would you do? Serious question, just more to think outside of the general confines.

Yes I like discussing these things with you, every time you tag me I have their “here we go” moment nothing but respect

 

[Eddie Haskell]

EOD so like 4x a week forever? before i stopped the AI i was on 0.25 x2 a week and my levels seemed quite good

I would go eod 3 days per week for 2 week and after switch to 2x/ week dosing schedule

 

[haydz]

When it comes to proper trt the objection I have is why do you need an AI in the first place
I would drop the dose lower

i’m on 125mg per week and that gets me close to the upper limit of the range and i feel great so it’s quite annoying i need an AI for this dose

 

[Eddie Haskell]

i’m on 125mg per week and that gets me close to the upper limit of the range and i feel great so it’s quite annoying i need an AI for this dose

Some guys are more estrogen prone than other man

 

[haydz]

i hate it man, but thanks so much for the help! i’ll update later with anything that comes up

 

[haydz]

i was just worried about any long term ai side effects (if there are any)

 

[AE1079]

i was just worried about any long term ai side effects (if there are any)

There is side effects.. it’s why I prefer to use other modalities.

Some people just are very high converters.
As we are saying above and what you can gather is that there are many ways to do this.

 

[AE1079]

Some guys are more estrogen prone than other man

They sure are..

 

[Eddie Haskell]

i was just worried about any long term ai side effects (if there are any)

No more side effects than injecting testosterone in the end, if neither is abuse you're fine

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Looking at the 3 x weekly, that’s not going to change anything for E2 most likely another injection at that frequency will increase E2. E2 is responsive to test pending genetics response, but there is always a up with test going up two, we can agree on that.

Even with 20% at best let’s say, imagine then when you stack with primo/mast.. another 20-30%. Like you said previously. They all add up to modulate E2 without a AI + the anabolic benefit is there. I like to think more outside the square I think. MPMD theorised it ? It’s 100% not gospel. However I see the value in daily injections IF, the person is inclined and willing to administer ED. majority of the population will be EOD max. Compliance is an issue, that’s why they give people long estered T as TRT to mitigate injections, the low dose TRT won’t even warrant a use of a AI in most individuals. However I don’t think this is optimal, there’s a fair bit of research gone into ED injections and it looks and anecdotally is more promising then split biweekly or 3x. Long esters you can definitely get away with it, but shorter like E and prop, there will be fluctuations. Response to this is raising E2 by the body to compensate. Sometimes even progesterone.

I don’t think your being pushy, I think your being diligent with it and trying to find the best solution for the problem. I just think AIs aren’t great and I wouldn’t want a client on mine on a AI if we can mitigate with the above. Again not for the majority I will admit. AIs are just so shit bro.. seriously bad on lipids and cholesterol, rebounds can be bad as well leading to more issues after cycle. Some people do need it though I agree. But majority we can mitigate without the use of a AI.. what do you think? If you were in a position where a client comes to you and says @Eddie Haskell i want to run a cycle with no AI, what would you do? Serious question, just more to think outside of the general confines.

Yes I like discussing these things with you, every time you tag me I have their “here we go” moment nothing but respect

@AE1079 I think 3x/week of course should change a lot when we compare to 1x/week, and if we can get mid shot bloods would be amazing but that would be difficult and expensive to do.

I would like to see him back on Ai and most guys using low dose Ais if they are on testosterone, base aromatase enzyme control, not just E2 levels.

It's always fun to discuss things with you man EVO family love and respect.

 

[AE1079]

@AE1079 I think 3x/week of course should change a lot when we compare to 1x/week, and if we can get mid shot bloods would be amazing but that would be difficult and expensive to do.

I would like to see him back on Ai and most guys using low dose Ais if they are on testosterone, base aromatase enzyme control, not just E2 levels.

It's always fun to discuss things with you man EVO family love and respect.

Yeah it would make a difference 100%.

I wonder if low dose AI - lets .25 Arimidex lined up with injection frequency for those on TRT would or wouldn’t create sub optimal lipids and cholesterol.

Would like to compare that with a 100mg masteron per week. But I have a feeling the AI will be stronger in comparison of course but will it actually have any benefits?

Would love someone to do this test

 

[Mobster]

@haydz Yup I said it MANY times that frequent injections do NOT modulate estrogen down like everyone thinks for some reason. Stopping Ai and doing more frequent injections does NOT lower or balance estrogen e2 and this blood work proves it. @AE1079 this is what I was talking about man, its just facts now above.

@haydz go back on an Ai asap, please remind me you have aromasin or arimidex on hand?

Also why no training updates for the EVO family? please do

Eddie and I agree on this

 

[hypogaeum]

Yeah it would make a difference 100%.

I wonder if low dose AI - lets .25 Arimidex lined up with injection frequency for those on TRT would or wouldn’t create sub optimal lipids and cholesterol.

Would like to compare that with a 100mg masteron per week. But I have a feeling the AI will be stronger in comparison of course but will it actually have any benefits?

Would love someone to do this test

I'm currently doing 0.25 twice a week (days I pin TRT) and cholesterol/ lipids have been steadily improving over the past 4 months since introducing the AI.
Don't have any Mast on hand, but would be curious/willing to run this experiment Maybe towards the middle of the year after I run a cycle in the new year!

 

[AE1079]

I'm currently doing 0.25 twice a week (days I pin TRT) and cholesterol/ lipids have been steadily improving over the past 4 months since introducing the AI.
Don't have any Mast on hand, but would be curious/willing to run this experiment Maybe towards the middle of the year after I run a cycle in the new year!

Interesting how much arimidex have you been taking? Diet has cleaned up? Cardio?