Approved Log From endurance athlete to fitness - My first ever PED cycle log

[ROIDDERS]

***UPDATE, ALMOST THE END OF THE FIRST CYCLE***

It's been 11 weeks out of 12.

First cycle :

- On average 160 mg of test cyp per week. Injections every 3 days.
- 40 mg of anavar on training days.
- Push, pull, legs, arms, rest, rest, repeat.
- Completely quit alcool on day 1.
- Complete withdrawal of my antidepressants. This was a b1tch for the last three weeks and definitely slowed down my progress a lot. But it's for the best.

My morning weight went from 164 lbs to 180 lbs this morning.

First time I hit 180 without too much fat on the frame. I came a long way from my 135 lbs road cyclist era!

Strength went up 10% to 15%. Not a lot, proportional to my body weight gain.

I actually look like I lift while wearing a shirt lol

Progress is real. 160 mg a week isn't a lot some would say. Just enough to kick start my metabolism for growth. My goal was to slowly integrate coumpounds to have a sustainable approach to using PEDs. I ate pretty much at maintenance for the first 5 weeks, slightly above for week 6-7-8. And really enjoyed the Easter feast at week 9-10.

Essentially there is no need to go on 300 mg + on a first cycle. i think that the 6 years of rigid training and food monitoring were the key to being able to build this amount of muscle with an easy 160 mg cruise cycle and truly access how the body reacts. Keeping simple coumpounds at lower dose is the a great way to avoid randomness in the results at the start.

Gear on it's own cannot overtake bad training, bad diet and habits. I see a lot of folks on social media just jumping on the dirty bulk thing and thinking increasing the dose will magically make it work. There is no way.

I got my post cycle bloodwork yesterday. I still have a lot of room to increase the dose and add coumpounds. But for now, summer is almost here and I want to enjoy mountain biking. As much as I would like to crank it and proper bulk to 200 lbs by tracking my food more religiously, timing is not the best. So, why not try to keep as much of what the cycle gave me but doing a mini-cut as I know what I can do at low dose without stressing it too much?

A few progress pics from 10 weeks ago to now in chronological order. Below.

Our good source at @Nordic Fusion will help with providing the goods for what I consider being the second experiment of this endeavor.

From 180 lbs, how much can I keep while going back to having a road map of veins on my shoulders?

In 3-4 weeks, i'll be going for 200 mg of test cyp, 200 mg of masteron at maintenance calories (i still need time to figure out what that maintenance number is), and once i'm aware of my maintenance, slowly build a deficit to integrate anavar (40mg), clen (25-50 mcg) and winstrol (40mg) for the last 6 weeks. I've been using these orals in the past as a cyclist so i know how i manage them. Looking forward to see how masteron can help me in the process.

My goal is a 170 lbs athletic dry look for the summer and for mountain biking. Let's see how it goes.

@haldencapital This is a championship training style right here.
EVO iron brother!

great info !

 

[RoySimpson]

***UPDATE, ALMOST THE END OF THE FIRST CYCLE***

It's been 11 weeks out of 12.

First cycle :

- On average 160 mg of test cyp per week. Injections every 3 days.
- 40 mg of anavar on training days.
- Push, pull, legs, arms, rest, rest, repeat.
- Completely quit alcool on day 1.
- Complete withdrawal of my antidepressants. This was a b1tch for the last three weeks and definitely slowed down my progress a lot. But it's for the best.

My morning weight went from 164 lbs to 180 lbs this morning.

First time I hit 180 without too much fat on the frame. I came a long way from my 135 lbs road cyclist era!

Strength went up 10% to 15%. Not a lot, proportional to my body weight gain.

I actually look like I lift while wearing a shirt lol

Progress is real. 160 mg a week isn't a lot some would say. Just enough to kick start my metabolism for growth. My goal was to slowly integrate coumpounds to have a sustainable approach to using PEDs. I ate pretty much at maintenance for the first 5 weeks, slightly above for week 6-7-8. And really enjoyed the Easter feast at week 9-10.

Essentially there is no need to go on 300 mg + on a first cycle. i think that the 6 years of rigid training and food monitoring were the key to being able to build this amount of muscle with an easy 160 mg cruise cycle and truly access how the body reacts. Keeping simple coumpounds at lower dose is the a great way to avoid randomness in the results at the start.

Gear on it's own cannot overtake bad training, bad diet and habits. I see a lot of folks on social media just jumping on the dirty bulk thing and thinking increasing the dose will magically make it work. There is no way.

I got my post cycle bloodwork yesterday. I still have a lot of room to increase the dose and add coumpounds. But for now, summer is almost here and I want to enjoy mountain biking. As much as I would like to crank it and proper bulk to 200 lbs by tracking my food more religiously, timing is not the best. So, why not try to keep as much of what the cycle gave me but doing a mini-cut as I know what I can do at low dose without stressing it too much?

A few progress pics from 10 weeks ago to now in chronological order. Below.

Our good source at @Nordic Fusion will help with providing the goods for what I consider being the second experiment of this endeavor.

From 180 lbs, how much can I keep while going back to having a road map of veins on my shoulders?

In 3-4 weeks, i'll be going for 200 mg of test cyp, 200 mg of masteron at maintenance calories (i still need time to figure out what that maintenance number is), and once i'm aware of my maintenance, slowly build a deficit to integrate anavar (40mg), clen (25-50 mcg) and winstrol (40mg) for the last 6 weeks. I've been using these orals in the past as a cyclist so i know how i manage them. Looking forward to see how masteron can help me in the process.

My goal is a 170 lbs athletic dry look for the summer and for mountain biking. Let's see how it goes.

@haldencapital That's an amazing transformation, bro! You've clearly put in the work, and the results speak for themselves. Going from 164 to 180lbs with minimal fat gain on a relatively low dose of Test Cypionate is a testament to your dedication to training, diet, and consistency.

 

[Ulter]

***UPDATE, ALMOST THE END OF THE FIRST CYCLE***

It's been 11 weeks out of 12.

First cycle :

- On average 160 mg of test cyp per week. Injections every 3 days.
- 40 mg of anavar on training days.
- Push, pull, legs, arms, rest, rest, repeat.
- Completely quit alcool on day 1.
- Complete withdrawal of my antidepressants. This was a b1tch for the last three weeks and definitely slowed down my progress a lot. But it's for the best.

My morning weight went from 164 lbs to 180 lbs this morning.

First time I hit 180 without too much fat on the frame. I came a long way from my 135 lbs road cyclist era!

Strength went up 10% to 15%. Not a lot, proportional to my body weight gain.

I actually look like I lift while wearing a shirt lol

Progress is real. 160 mg a week isn't a lot some would say. Just enough to kick start my metabolism for growth. My goal was to slowly integrate coumpounds to have a sustainable approach to using PEDs. I ate pretty much at maintenance for the first 5 weeks, slightly above for week 6-7-8. And really enjoyed the Easter feast at week 9-10.

Essentially there is no need to go on 300 mg + on a first cycle. i think that the 6 years of rigid training and food monitoring were the key to being able to build this amount of muscle with an easy 160 mg cruise cycle and truly access how the body reacts. Keeping simple coumpounds at lower dose is the a great way to avoid randomness in the results at the start.

Gear on it's own cannot overtake bad training, bad diet and habits. I see a lot of folks on social media just jumping on the dirty bulk thing and thinking increasing the dose will magically make it work. There is no way.

I got my post cycle bloodwork yesterday. I still have a lot of room to increase the dose and add coumpounds. But for now, summer is almost here and I want to enjoy mountain biking. As much as I would like to crank it and proper bulk to 200 lbs by tracking my food more religiously, timing is not the best. So, why not try to keep as much of what the cycle gave me but doing a mini-cut as I know what I can do at low dose without stressing it too much?

A few progress pics from 10 weeks ago to now in chronological order. Below.

Our good source at @Nordic Fusion will help with providing the goods for what I consider being the second experiment of this endeavor.

From 180 lbs, how much can I keep while going back to having a road map of veins on my shoulders?

In 3-4 weeks, i'll be going for 200 mg of test cyp, 200 mg of masteron at maintenance calories (i still need time to figure out what that maintenance number is), and once i'm aware of my maintenance, slowly build a deficit to integrate anavar (40mg), clen (25-50 mcg) and winstrol (40mg) for the last 6 weeks. I've been using these orals in the past as a cyclist so i know how i manage them. Looking forward to see how masteron can help me in the process.

My goal is a 170 lbs athletic dry look for the summer and for mountain biking. Let's see how it goes.

@haldencapital Proud of you on this update, man. That's the way you should do it. Keep up the good work and keep the grind going.

 

[2Thick]

***UPDATE, ALMOST THE END OF THE FIRST CYCLE***

It's been 11 weeks out of 12.

First cycle :

- On average 160 mg of test cyp per week. Injections every 3 days.
- 40 mg of anavar on training days.
- Push, pull, legs, arms, rest, rest, repeat.
- Completely quit alcool on day 1.
- Complete withdrawal of my antidepressants. This was a b1tch for the last three weeks and definitely slowed down my progress a lot. But it's for the best.

My morning weight went from 164 lbs to 180 lbs this morning.

First time I hit 180 without too much fat on the frame. I came a long way from my 135 lbs road cyclist era!

Strength went up 10% to 15%. Not a lot, proportional to my body weight gain.

I actually look like I lift while wearing a shirt lol

Progress is real. 160 mg a week isn't a lot some would say. Just enough to kick start my metabolism for growth. My goal was to slowly integrate coumpounds to have a sustainable approach to using PEDs. I ate pretty much at maintenance for the first 5 weeks, slightly above for week 6-7-8. And really enjoyed the Easter feast at week 9-10.

Essentially there is no need to go on 300 mg + on a first cycle. i think that the 6 years of rigid training and food monitoring were the key to being able to build this amount of muscle with an easy 160 mg cruise cycle and truly access how the body reacts. Keeping simple coumpounds at lower dose is the a great way to avoid randomness in the results at the start.

Gear on it's own cannot overtake bad training, bad diet and habits. I see a lot of folks on social media just jumping on the dirty bulk thing and thinking increasing the dose will magically make it work. There is no way.

I got my post cycle bloodwork yesterday. I still have a lot of room to increase the dose and add coumpounds. But for now, summer is almost here and I want to enjoy mountain biking. As much as I would like to crank it and proper bulk to 200 lbs by tracking my food more religiously, timing is not the best. So, why not try to keep as much of what the cycle gave me but doing a mini-cut as I know what I can do at low dose without stressing it too much?

A few progress pics from 10 weeks ago to now in chronological order. Below.

Our good source at @Nordic Fusion will help with providing the goods for what I consider being the second experiment of this endeavor.

From 180 lbs, how much can I keep while going back to having a road map of veins on my shoulders?

In 3-4 weeks, i'll be going for 200 mg of test cyp, 200 mg of masteron at maintenance calories (i still need time to figure out what that maintenance number is), and once i'm aware of my maintenance, slowly build a deficit to integrate anavar (40mg), clen (25-50 mcg) and winstrol (40mg) for the last 6 weeks. I've been using these orals in the past as a cyclist so i know how i manage them. Looking forward to see how masteron can help me in the process.

My goal is a 170 lbs athletic dry look for the summer and for mountain biking. Let's see how it goes.

@haldencapital I think you've got an excellent physique.

Very impressive updates. Keep up the good work.

 

[haldencapital]

Horse meat? lol you need to post that @haldencapital
I think @Phill had horsemeat in his log too.

Start a new log for the cut, you have EVO family support big time.

@Phill absolutely includes horse

lol yeah horse meat. Cheper than beef and more flavorful in my opinion. I can get 99/1 ground horse meat that taste very good (not dry or cardboard like) and also decent steaks when i want a treat. That's the level of steak a decent butcher can get for horse meat.

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital You ran that cycle smart bro!
Clean 160 test with anavar, no overkill, and still pulled solid lean gains while staying sharp with diet and training. Respect for dropping the meds and alcohol at the same time, that’s real discipline. Hitting 180 for the first time with a clean frame shows your foundation was already strong. Mini cut into the summer with masteron and clen sounds like a solid next step to bring out that dry look bro i want to see you slice it down!

@haldencapital you look like a beast for sure. great job on this update and you are killing it!

@haldencapital bro this a true EVO family hardcore iron update.
proud of you keep it up, yo lookin sstrong

@haldencapital Bros, you should be proud of your progress. You look fantastic, very vascular. Even your neck popping out.

@haldencapital This is a championship training style right here.
EVO iron brother!

great info !

@haldencapital That's an amazing transformation, bro! You've clearly put in the work, and the results speak for themselves. Going from 164 to 180lbs with minimal fat gain on a relatively low dose of Test Cypionate is a testament to your dedication to training, diet, and consistency.

@haldencapital Proud of you on this update, man. That's the way you should do it. Keep up the good work and keep the grind going.

@haldencapital I think you've got an excellent physique.

Very impressive updates. Keep up the good work.

thank you guys! Much appreciated! The antidepressants withdrawal paired with the 7/7 work schedule took a toll on me over the last 2 weeks and I've been sleeping and resting for the last 3 days. I haven't trained since Wednesday. I rarely take 3 days off unless i'm sick but my body really needed it.

As some of you suggested, I will make another log in the next 2-3 weeks for the second phase of this journey. Until then, I'll make sure to recover fully first and get back on the training block. I'll keep the evo fam posted Have a great weekend!

 

[LevButlerov]

lol yeah horse meat. Cheper than beef and more flavorful in my opinion. I can get 99/1 ground horse meat that taste very good (not dry or cardboard like) and also decent steaks when i want a treat. That's the level of steak a decent butcher can get for horse meat.

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@haldencapital would love to try me some horse steak

 

[ballin2504]

***UPDATE, ALMOST THE END OF THE FIRST CYCLE***

It's been 11 weeks out of 12.

First cycle :

- On average 160 mg of test cyp per week. Injections every 3 days.
- 40 mg of anavar on training days.
- Push, pull, legs, arms, rest, rest, repeat.
- Completely quit alcool on day 1.
- Complete withdrawal of my antidepressants. This was a b1tch for the last three weeks and definitely slowed down my progress a lot. But it's for the best.

My morning weight went from 164 lbs to 180 lbs this morning.

First time I hit 180 without too much fat on the frame. I came a long way from my 135 lbs road cyclist era!

Strength went up 10% to 15%. Not a lot, proportional to my body weight gain.

I actually look like I lift while wearing a shirt lol

Progress is real. 160 mg a week isn't a lot some would say. Just enough to kick start my metabolism for growth. My goal was to slowly integrate coumpounds to have a sustainable approach to using PEDs. I ate pretty much at maintenance for the first 5 weeks, slightly above for week 6-7-8. And really enjoyed the Easter feast at week 9-10.

Essentially there is no need to go on 300 mg + on a first cycle. i think that the 6 years of rigid training and food monitoring were the key to being able to build this amount of muscle with an easy 160 mg cruise cycle and truly access how the body reacts. Keeping simple coumpounds at lower dose is the a great way to avoid randomness in the results at the start.

Gear on it's own cannot overtake bad training, bad diet and habits. I see a lot of folks on social media just jumping on the dirty bulk thing and thinking increasing the dose will magically make it work. There is no way.

I got my post cycle bloodwork yesterday. I still have a lot of room to increase the dose and add coumpounds. But for now, summer is almost here and I want to enjoy mountain biking. As much as I would like to crank it and proper bulk to 200 lbs by tracking my food more religiously, timing is not the best. So, why not try to keep as much of what the cycle gave me but doing a mini-cut as I know what I can do at low dose without stressing it too much?

A few progress pics from 10 weeks ago to now in chronological order. Below.

Our good source at @Nordic Fusion will help with providing the goods for what I consider being the second experiment of this endeavor.

From 180 lbs, how much can I keep while going back to having a road map of veins on my shoulders?

In 3-4 weeks, i'll be going for 200 mg of test cyp, 200 mg of masteron at maintenance calories (i still need time to figure out what that maintenance number is), and once i'm aware of my maintenance, slowly build a deficit to integrate anavar (40mg), clen (25-50 mcg) and winstrol (40mg) for the last 6 weeks. I've been using these orals in the past as a cyclist so i know how i manage them. Looking forward to see how masteron can help me in the process.

My goal is a 170 lbs athletic dry look for the summer and for mountain biking. Let's see how it goes.

@haldencapital looking phenomenal man. Great work here.

 

[25homes]

Lookin great

 

[Noah Wixx]

Super lean

 

[haldencapital]

Last update before the beginning of the mini-cut.

Got my bloodwork results this morning. Lipids all good, everything else good too. Weirdly enough, i might be prone to aromatization. The estradiol came back at 68 pg/mL, which is twice as much as I would like.

I have not used more than 200 mg of test a week + 40 mg of anavar a day. On average 160-170 mg of test... Surprising but they ordered the standard Roche ECLIA methodology which in my knowledge is wildly inaccurate in men. This level would lead me to go on a bit of AI, but i'm afraid the result is simply skewed versus if i had made a sensitive assay estradiol test instead. Nipples got sensitive at 200 mg a week, not gonna lie. But an AI at this dose seems very overkill.

Good thing is i will be integrating masterone in a few days. So i will be able to cruise on 150-180 mg a week on test. Plus the equivalent in masteron.

This is a pic of my peak. The final physique update of this log. The next update will be the creation of the mini-cut log. 183 lbs on these pictures. I gained a lot of water weight and abdominal fluff recently as I've been enjoying Easter with the family. I slowly reverted back to my 180 today.

 

[LevButlerov]

Last update before the beginning of the mini-cut.

Got my bloodwork results this morning. Lipids all good, everything else good too. Weirdly enough, i might be prone to aromatization. The estradiol came back at 68 pg/mL, which is twice as much as I would like.

I have not used more than 200 mg of test a week + 40 mg of anavar a day. On average 160-170 mg of test... Surprising but they ordered the standard Roche ECLIA methodology which in my knowledge is wildly inaccurate in men. This level would lead me to go on a bit of AI, but i'm afraid the result is simply skewed versus if i had made a sensitive assay estradiol test instead. Nipples got sensitive at 200 mg a week, not gonna lie. But an AI at this dose seems very overkill.

Good thing is i will be integrating masterone in a few days. So i will be able to cruise on 150-180 mg a week on test. Plus the equivalent in masteron.

This is a pic of my peak. The final physique update of this log. The next update will be the creation of the mini-cut log. 183 lbs on these pictures. I gained a lot of water weight and abdominal fluff recently as I've been enjoying Easter with the family. I slowly reverted back to my 180 today.

@haldencapital you got your bloods, can we see the blood work please? just blur personal info.

Hard to tell about the whole situation without seeing whole bloods.

183 you look good, very full, not puffy, arms and chest jacked, and I love the abs

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital you got your bloods, can we see the blood work please? just blur personal info.

Hard to tell about the whole situation without seeing whole bloods.

183 you look good, very full, not puffy, arms and chest jacked, and I love the abs

@LevButlerov yeah! Not sure how your french is, i'm eastern canadian and the hospital who takes the blood samples gets me everything in french :/ Here are the four pages. Blood count, lipids profile, estrogen (estradiol) and endocrinology. I don't know if there is something specifically important i should ask the doc for in addition to these markers but that's the default metrics we've been following over the last year, pre-cycle and during cycle.

Thanks!

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov yeah! Not sure how your french is, i'm eastern canadian and the hospital who takes the blood samples gets me everything in french :/ Here are the four pages. Blood count, lipids profile, estrogen (estradiol) and endocrinology. I don't know if there is something specifically important i should ask the doc for in addition to these markers but that's the default metrics we've been following over the last year, pre-cycle and during cycle.

Thanks!

No worries, I understand high estrogen lol @haldencapital

Can you please remind me, what was your final testosterone dosage? in case you changed it, before you did this test. Did you take any test or other gear you didn't mention?

 

[haldencapital]

No worries, I understand high estrogen lol @haldencapital

Can you please remind me, what was your final testosterone dosage? in case you changed it, before you did this test. Did you take any test or other gear you didn't mention?

@LevButlerov sure. Unfortunately, the doc didn't really bothered doing estrogen in the blood work prior to me going on gear so we don't have a base level. I was simply on TRT with androgel, about 35-50 mg per week. We only followed test levels from there.

On May 22, 2024 after the blood work, we started 35-50 mg a week of androgel. The August 14, 2024 reading was after 3 months of androgel. Every testosterone metric doubled on androgel.

On February 13th, 2025, 7 days before the blood work reading of Feb 20th, 2025, i had my first test cyp injection of 50 mg and 4 days later 62.5 mg. The bloodwork was on Feb 20, 2024. I had two injections at this point.

From the February 20, 2025 reading the dose was pyramiding up.

The first estrogen reading was on April 17th, 2025. 72 hours after my last pin of 100 mg. I converted it from 255 pmol/L (the lab reading) to 69.5 pg/ml depending on what metric is prefered. Using this calculator : https://unitslab.com/node/113

Over the month prior to the April 17th, 2025 blood work, i was at 87.5 mg twice a week (175 mg a week). I did my last ramp up to 200mg a week (2 x 100 mg) in the 3 weeks prior to the blood work...

This is somewhat a "safe dose" so that is why the estrogen level surprises me a bit. Maybe the high estrogen is simply due to the body's adaptation to the ramp up? I remember really feeling it more at 200 mg a week and it regulated slowly over time.

I did not take anything else. That was test cyp + 40 mg of anavar on training days (5 times a week on average).

 

[stevesmi]

@LevButlerov yeah! Not sure how your french is, i'm eastern canadian and the hospital who takes the blood samples gets me everything in french :/ Here are the four pages. Blood count, lipids profile, estrogen (estradiol) and endocrinology. I don't know if there is something specifically important i should ask the doc for in addition to these markers but that's the default metrics we've been following over the last year, pre-cycle and during cycle.

Thanks!

@haldencapital is there a specific concern on any of this that you can translate to english? i am not sure anyone on here speaks french too well

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital is there a specific concern on any of this that you can translate to english? i am not sure anyone on here speaks french too well

@stevesmi the aspect that is most concerning or should I say surprising to me is the 69.5 pg/ml estrogen level. I must really aromatize heavily if I'm there with only 175 mg to 200 mg a week of testosterone.

I'm scratching my head as I'll be introducing masteron. I have three scenarios in mind :

1. for now, 150 mg of testosterone a week to reduce estrogen conversion + 150-200 mg of masteron a week. My estrogen might still be too high as it's very high right now. So...
2. Do the above and add 12.5mg a week of aromasin? Thing is I really wanted to avoid using AI. I feel like it add unnecessary complexity at such low testosterone dose.
3. Third scenario is for the next bulk. Seems like I cannot really use much testosterone before rocketing my estrogen. Keep 150 mg of testosterone + another compound that would not aromatize to complete the stack?

 

[stevesmi]

@stevesmi the aspect that is most concerning or should I say surprising to me is the 69.5 pg/ml estrogen level. I must really aromatize heavily if I'm there with only 175 mg to 200 mg a week of testosterone.

I'm scratching my head as I'll be introducing masteron. I have three scenarios in mind :

1. for now, 150 mg of testosterone a week to reduce estrogen conversion + 150-200 mg of masteron a week. My estrogen might still be too high as it's very high right now. So...
2. Do the above and add 12.5mg a week of aromasin? Thing is I really wanted to avoid using AI. I feel like it add unnecessary complexity at such low testosterone dose.
3. Third scenario is for the next bulk. Seems like I cannot really use much testosterone before rocketing my estrogen. Keep 150 mg of testosterone + another compound that would not aromatize to complete the stack?

@haldencapital i'm not surprised at all. let's say 100mgs a week of test is what you would normally produce. well you are doing about 2x that

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital i'm not surprised at all. let's say 100mgs a week of test is what you would normally produce. well you are doing about 2x that

True. Common sense right. You see, I'm still new to this, I overthink and it's the reason why I want to take things slow and avoid adding unnecessary noise. I have time ahead of me to fine tune and understand the hormonal profile by making a step at a time. Which lands me to drop the test to 150 mg and compensate with masteron as the second compound to complete the anabolic "load". Even if it means running masteron at a higher ratio than test, as it doesn't aromatize. I'll run this until the next blood work in 10 weeks and see where the level I'm at. Masteron should be somewhat neutral with regards to the estrogen level fluctuations.

Then I'll know if that was enough of an adjustment or not. And adjust for the next bulk. I'll know if I ever need an AI.

And in the meantime, I'll read about which compounds to stack for the next bulk as I know I can't load tons of testosterone or aromatization prone compounds.

 

[BodyMonster34]

True. Common sense right. You see, I'm still new to this, I overthink and it's the reason why I want to take things slow and avoid adding unnecessary noise. I have time ahead of me to fine tune and understand the hormonal profile by making a step at a time. Which lands me to drop the test to 150 mg and compensate with masteron as the second compound to complete the anabolic "load". Even if it means running masteron at a higher ratio than test, as it doesn't aromatize. I'll run this until the next blood work in 10 weeks and see where the level I'm at. Masteron should be somewhat neutral with regards to the estrogen level fluctuations.

Then I'll know if that was enough of an adjustment or not. And adjust for the next bulk. I'll know if I ever need an AI.

And in the meantime, I'll read about which compounds to stack for the next bulk as I know I can't load tons of testosterone or aromatization prone compounds.

@haldencapital bro I say Jack up those of testosterone further

you only live once look at monstro for example he lived the life we all dream

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital bro I say Jack up those of testosterone further

you only live once look at monstro for example he lived the life we all dream

Lol @stevesmi gives me that common sense analogy and here is @BodyMonster34 that wants to crank it up

Honestly I feel great. I simply feel I hit a wall and start to convert fat more easily. Not ideal. I mean, if it wasn't from the blood work reading I might have kept pushing. But now, as am starting to trim down a bit I see no benefits in keeping a high estrogen in all cases.

 

[BodyMonster34]

Lol @stevesmi gives me that common sense analogy and here is @BodyMonster34 that wants to crank it up

Honestly I feel great. I simply feel I hit a wall and start to convert fat more easily. Not ideal. I mean, if it wasn't from the blood work reading I might have kept pushing. But now, as am starting to trim down a bit I see no benefits in keeping a high estrogen in all cases.

@haldencapital bro i living a good life though. who on here live a better life then me? i got a nice ass trailer, SSBBW wife, work 20 hour days on tanker, and got 17 kids. guys all jealous of my life but i live it good. i use tren as my sports trt

 

[ceo]

@LevButlerov yeah! Not sure how your french is, i'm eastern canadian and the hospital who takes the blood samples gets me everything in french :/ Here are the four pages. Blood count, lipids profile, estrogen (estradiol) and endocrinology. I don't know if there is something specifically important i should ask the doc for in addition to these markers but that's the default metrics we've been following over the last year, pre-cycle and during cycle.

Thanks!

@haldencapital Bros, some people react good to estrogen but it's not a good thing. You don't want a lot of estrogen floating in your body can cause issues.

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital Bros, some people react good to estrogen but it's not a good thing. You don't want a lot of estrogen floating in your body can cause issues.

@ceo I definitely don't want to have it any higher. That's why I wanted to jump on gear as slow as possible instead of integrating too many compound at once from the start. One at a time and keep adjusting according to blood work. I'm only at my first iteration I know I'll have to rely on several compounds to drive growth as I aromatize a lot.

 

[Mobster]

I'm sure they do it in Canadian English on request

 

[haldencapital]

I'm sure they do it in Canadian English on request

I'll ask next time. Most certainly, there is a good proportion of English speaking population in the township

 

[ROIDDERS]

I'll ask next time. Most certainly, there is a good proportion of English speaking population in the township

@haldencapital what part of canada are you? you know Brad Marchand? i think he is also from east canada and french. i ask cause i got in fight with him at a bar a while back when i was in boston. really short tempered dude

 

[Ulter]

@LevButlerov yeah! Not sure how your french is, i'm eastern canadian and the hospital who takes the blood samples gets me everything in french :/ Here are the four pages. Blood count, lipids profile, estrogen (estradiol) and endocrinology. I don't know if there is something specifically important i should ask the doc for in addition to these markers but that's the default metrics we've been following over the last year, pre-cycle and during cycle.

Thanks!

@haldencapital It's a good idea to definitely monitor your blood work. I'm glad you posted it as a reference point.

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital what part of canada are you? you know Brad Marchand? i think he is also from east canada and french. i ask cause i got in fight with him at a bar a while back when i was in boston. really short tempered dude

@ROIDDERS I'm from Montreal. The only Brad Marchand I know is the hockey player. He used to play for Boston 10-15 years ago.

 

[2Thick]

I'll ask next time. Most certainly, there is a good proportion of English speaking population in the township

@haldencapital yeah that would help. but you can always translate for us anyting you are concerned over!

 

[haldencapital]

@haldencapital yeah that would help. but you can always translate for us anyting you are concerned over!

@2Thick thank you, really. Like i said yesterday, the most concerning thing was the estrogen level. I was just surprise to see how sensitive it is even by using small dose of testosterone. I'll adjust my plan accordingly and track my blood work results as i've been doing since the beginning and continue iterating until i find my sweet spot.

 

[2Thick]

@2Thick thank you, really. Like i said yesterday, the most concerning thing was the estrogen level. I was just surprise to see how sensitive it is even by using small dose of testosterone. I'll adjust my plan accordingly and track my blood work results as i've been doing since the beginning and continue iterating until i find my sweet spot.

the good news is estrogen can be fixed.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov sure. Unfortunately, the doc didn't really bothered doing estrogen in the blood work prior to me going on gear so we don't have a base level. I was simply on TRT with androgel, about 35-50 mg per week. We only followed test levels from there.

On May 22, 2024 after the blood work, we started 35-50 mg a week of androgel. The August 14, 2024 reading was after 3 months of androgel. Every testosterone metric doubled on androgel.

On February 13th, 2025, 7 days before the blood work reading of Feb 20th, 2025, i had my first test cyp injection of 50 mg and 4 days later 62.5 mg. The bloodwork was on Feb 20, 2024. I had two injections at this point.

View attachment 89489

From the February 20, 2025 reading the dose was pyramiding up.

View attachment 89481

The first estrogen reading was on April 17th, 2025. 72 hours after my last pin of 100 mg. I converted it from 255 pmol/L (the lab reading) to 69.5 pg/ml depending on what metric is prefered. Using this calculator : https://unitslab.com/node/113

Over the month prior to the April 17th, 2025 blood work, i was at 87.5 mg twice a week (175 mg a week). I did my last ramp up to 200mg a week (2 x 100 mg) in the 3 weeks prior to the blood work...

This is somewhat a "safe dose" so that is why the estrogen level surprises me a bit. Maybe the high estrogen is simply due to the body's adaptation to the ramp up? I remember really feeling it more at 200 mg a week and it regulated slowly over time.

I did not take anything else. That was test cyp + 40 mg of anavar on training days (5 times a week on average).

I see, so there is no real comparison framework for us. @haldencapital I understand.

If your E2 is spiked, can you up your Ai and we retest in 2 weeks?

 

[haldencapital]

I see, so there is no real comparison framework for us. @haldencapital I understand.

If your E2 is spiked, can you up your Ai and we retest in 2 weeks?

@LevButlerov I haven't used an AI thus far as this was my first testosterone cycle. I wanted to have a base mark.

Before introducing the AI, as I now know 200mg a week is producing too much estrogen conversion, I was thinking on reducing the test to 140 mg a week and add masteron (I was already planning to hop on it) to complete the anabolic load. 1:2 testosterone:masteron. Do blood work and have another point of reference with this. If my E2 is that sensitive on the way up, I would like to see how sensitive it is on the way down by cutting the test by 30%.

Then, if still too high estrogen, an AI would be required. 12.5 mg of aromasin per week to start with should be plenty. But at this stage my cycle will end so it wont be required as I'll be back on TRT. But I would have reference point for the next cycle at 140 mg.

For next cycle i could add EQ to a 1:1 equivalent with testosterone. Or add a bit of primo to control the estrogen instead of an AI.

Really my optic is to use an AI as a last resort. It seems simply way too drastic to use a kill switch like an AI at such a low dose of testosterone. I can easily compensate by reducing the dose of test and add other compounds. It's not like I'm using 2 grams a week and cant add anything else to the mix.

And using an AI now, would lead me to not have any reference point following dose reduction. I have time to collect data. I'm not stepping on stage so iteration with the compounds seems more relevant to me that putting an off switch with the AI.

Does that make any sense at all ?

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov I haven't used an AI thus far as this was my first testosterone cycle. I wanted to have a base mark.

Before introducing the AI, as I now know 200mg a week is producing too much estrogen conversion, I was thinking on reducing the test to 140 mg a week and add masteron (I was already planning to hop on it) to complete the anabolic load. 1:2 testosterone:masteron. Do blood work and have another point of reference with this. If my E2 is that sensitive on the way up, I would like to see how sensitive it is on the way down by cutting the test by 30%.

Then, if still too high estrogen, an AI would be required. 12.5 mg of aromasin per week to start with should be plenty. But at this stage my cycle will end so it wont be required as I'll be back on TRT. But I would have reference point for the next cycle at 140 mg.

For next cycle i could add EQ to a 1:1 equivalent with testosterone. Or add a bit of primo to control the estrogen instead of an AI.

Really my optic is to use an AI as a last resort. It seems simply way too drastic to use a kill switch like an AI at such a low dose of testosterone. I can easily compensate by reducing the dose of test and add other compounds. It's not like I'm using 2 grams a week and cant add anything else to the mix.

And using an AI now, would lead me to not have any reference point following dose reduction. I have time to collect data. I'm not stepping on stage so iteration with the compounds seems more relevant to me that putting an off switch with the AI.

Does that make any sense at all ?

It makes sense an you look great with ai already but sometimes we need to adjust I suggest at least start modulating 0.25mgs arimidex or a low dose 5mgs aromasin into the mix no matter what. @haldencapital

 

[haldencapital]

It makes sense an you look great with ai already but sometimes we need to adjust I suggest at least start modulating 0.25mgs arimidex or a low dose 5mgs aromasin into the mix no matter what. @haldencapital

@LevButlerov thanks yes, 5 mg aromasin is doable. I need to reduce estrogen quite a bit and have tabs on hands which I can split in two (1 tab of 12.5mg). I'll schedule my next blood work after four weeks at the new dose and see where we land. Masteron should not have any significant impact on the reading so it will be somewhat neutral in the equation. If I can get the E2 near 35 with 140 mg of test and 0.5mg of aromasin, that would be spot on and a very good adjustment for the next cycle base line.

I'm eager to start the next log now. I basically read everyday on gears now I'm hooked.

 

[ceo]

@ceo I definitely don't want to have it any higher. That's why I wanted to jump on gear as slow as possible instead of integrating too many compound at once from the start. One at a time and keep adjusting according to blood work. I'm only at my first iteration I know I'll have to rely on several compounds to drive growth as I aromatize a lot.

you are smart. estrogen isn't good too high or low

 

[ROIDDERS]

@ROIDDERS I'm from Montreal. The only Brad Marchand I know is the hockey player. He used to play for Boston 10-15 years ago.

@haldencapital yes that is him. he is a rat for real

 

[Noah Wixx]

Im Italian and cant even speak that, so for French im fucked i dont understand nothing lol.

 

[haldencapital]

Im Italian and cant even speak that, so for French im fucked i dont understand nothing lol.

@Noah Wixx French is not that useful anyway so your are not missing much

 

[Noah Wixx]

@Noah Wixx French is not that useful anyway so your are not missing much

Haha, yeah wee wee probably didn't spell that right is all i know dude lol.

 

[ballin2504]

@LevButlerov yeah! Not sure how your french is, i'm eastern canadian and the hospital who takes the blood samples gets me everything in french :/ Here are the four pages. Blood count, lipids profile, estrogen (estradiol) and endocrinology. I don't know if there is something specifically important i should ask the doc for in addition to these markers but that's the default metrics we've been following over the last year, pre-cycle and during cycle.

Thanks!

@haldencapital glad to see the bloodwork man taking care of yourself

 

[BeMe]

@haldencapital what part of canada are you? you know Brad Marchand? i think he is also from east canada and french. i ask cause i got in fight with him at a bar a while back when i was in boston. really short tempered dude

Who won? Everyone here in Canada hates that douche. He's the king rat of the NHL. We only give him a pass when he represents Canada because for a short while he's out rat.

 

[BeMe]

@LevButlerov sure. Unfortunately, the doc didn't really bothered doing estrogen in the blood work prior to me going on gear so we don't have a base level. I was simply on TRT with androgel, about 35-50 mg per week. We only followed test levels from there.

On May 22, 2024 after the blood work, we started 35-50 mg a week of androgel. The August 14, 2024 reading was after 3 months of androgel. Every testosterone metric doubled on androgel.

On February 13th, 2025, 7 days before the blood work reading of Feb 20th, 2025, i had my first test cyp injection of 50 mg and 4 days later 62.5 mg. The bloodwork was on Feb 20, 2024. I had two injections at this point.

View attachment 89489

From the February 20, 2025 reading the dose was pyramiding up.

View attachment 89481

The first estrogen reading was on April 17th, 2025. 72 hours after my last pin of 100 mg. I converted it from 255 pmol/L (the lab reading) to 69.5 pg/ml depending on what metric is prefered. Using this calculator : https://unitslab.com/node/113

Over the month prior to the April 17th, 2025 blood work, i was at 87.5 mg twice a week (175 mg a week). I did my last ramp up to 200mg a week (2 x 100 mg) in the 3 weeks prior to the blood work...

This is somewhat a "safe dose" so that is why the estrogen level surprises me a bit. Maybe the high estrogen is simply due to the body's adaptation to the ramp up? I remember really feeling it more at 200 mg a week and it regulated slowly over time.

I did not take anything else. That was test cyp + 40 mg of anavar on training days (5 times a week on average).

Your free test is insane for only 200mg, atleast compared to me lol. Either your a hyper responded or I'm a weak responder, curious to know which. Maybe both?

I was running 180mg as a TRT dose for 3 months and I was in the mid 900s. Estrogen was still within range.

Maybe I'm just a weak responder. I've always had a extremely high tolerance for everything. Used to take me twice as much as the next guy to have the same amount of fun lol.

Were you still using the androgel with the cyp? Where's your dosing at now?

 

[haldencapital]

Your free test is insane for only 200mg, atleast compared to me lol. Either your a hyper responded or I'm a weak responder, curious to know which. Maybe both?

I was running 180mg as a TRT dose for 3 months and I was in the mid 900s. Estrogen was still within range.

Maybe I'm just a weak responder. I've always had a extremely high tolerance for everything. Used to take me twice as much as the next guy to have the same amount of fun lol.

Were you still using the androgel with the cyp? Where's your dosing at now?

@BeMe well you see I compared with yours this weekend and I thought I was simply a hyper responder lol I am way overboard at 200 mg a week.

Now, with being overboard by this much I decided to get it down to only 140 mg and compensate the anabolic load with masteron. I'll see how I respond after one or two injections but the plan was to go 1:2 ratio test : masteron. So 140 mg testosterone and 280mg masteron per week. I added a tiny bit of aromasin 0.5 mg a week. I'll see where I land with this in 4 weeks with the next blood sample.

No more androgel since I started injecting in February this year.

If my blood yields good results with that adjustment I will probably replace a portion of the base of testosterone by some EQ to reduce aromatization in the next cycle this winter. Trial and error still. That's only the first iteration. Goooood thing I did blood work soon before making too much damage.

For know I focus on the blood and getting shredded for the summer. I'll have interesting data to begin with when I'm ready for the winter.

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe well you see I compared with yours this weekend and I thought I was simply a hyper responder lol I am way overboard at 200 mg a week.

Now, with being overboard by this much I decided to get it down to only 140 mg and compensate the anabolic load with masteron. I'll see how I respond after one or two injections but the plan was to go 1:2 ratio test : masteron. So 140 mg testosterone and 280mg masteron per week. I added a tiny bit of aromasin 0.5 mg a week. I'll see where I land with this in 4 weeks with the next blood sample.

No more androgel since I started injecting in February this year.

If my blood yields good results with that adjustment I will probably replace a portion of the base of testosterone by some EQ to reduce aromatization in the next cycle this winter. Trial and error still. That's only the first iteration. Goooood thing I did blood work soon before making too much damage.

For know I focus on the blood and getting shredded for the summer. I'll have interesting data to begin with when I'm ready for the winter.

Are you working with a TRT clinic or doctor for your blood work and test prescription?

They won't give you your results in English??? You don't write like a Francophone so I'm assuming you moved to QC from somewhere else? They expect you to read it all in French lol. This is why the Bloc lost all those seats to the Libs haha

 

[haldencapital]

Are you working with a TRT clinic or doctor for your blood work and test prescription?

They won't give you your results in English??? You don't write like a Francophone so I'm assuming you moved to QC from somewhere else? They expect you to read it all in French lol. This is why the Bloc lost all those seats to the Libs haha

A private clinic, general medecine. There is no TRT clinic nearby. I do it all there.

Thank you, my English was much better a few years ago when I was in Toronto. Long story short. I was born and raised in the tiniest francophone village ever. But I moved to Toronto for a few years when I was 22. That's where I learned and got to speak English the most. I moved back in Quebec 5 years ago and can't speak as often as I used to obviously, so I hop on AAS/PED forums to at least practice the writing skills

 

[BeMe]

A private clinic, general medecine. There is no TRT clinic nearby. I do it all there.

Thank you, my English was much better a few years ago when I was in Toronto. Long story short. I was born and raised in the tiniest francophone village ever. But I moved to Toronto for a few years when I was 22. That's where I learned and got to speak English the most. I moved back in Quebec 5 years ago and can't speak as often as I used to obviously, so I hop on AAS/PED forums to at least practice the writing skills

Wow I would've never guessed. Usually grammar and verb tenses are a giveaway, but no sign at all. You're a real deal fluent multilingual guy. You were smart to get outta Toronto while you could. This city has a way of trapping people on the hamster wheel of life. The older I get the more I'm looking forward to getting the hell outta here.

I saw you were running 40mgs of Anavar. Were you doing it sublingually twice a day? Your lipids looked pretty decent. How long did you run the 40mgs for?

 

[haldencapital]

Wow I would've never guessed. Usually grammar and verb tenses are a giveaway, but no sign at all. You're a real deal fluent multilingual guy. You were smart to get outta Toronto while you could. This city has a way of trapping people on the hamster wheel of life. The older I get the more I'm looking forward to getting the hell outta here.

I saw you were running 40mgs of Anavar. Were you doing it sublingually twice a day? Your lipids looked pretty decent. How long did you run the 40mgs for?

Thanks, doing my best! Writing everyday and reading in English definitely help.

I got out at the right time. Before Trudeau opened the immigration floodgate and before the vaccine sh*tshow.

HDL went down pretty quickly after only two weeks of 40 mg anavar. I had tabs (pills) so what I did to get a simili-sublingual was to mash it down into a powder using a mortar and pestle that I use for grounding spices. Some imagination was required here. Then took the powder under the tongue for a minute or two to let it completely dissolve. Does that count as sublingual, not sure but it kicked in like a twelve gauge man. I love anavar pre-workout. You really feel invincible. But.... Need to be extra careful to prevent injury. Joints and tendons don't grow at the same rate as our muscle do.

Now I just hope I won't crash HDL more than I should. I would like to see it go back to the mean after stopping it last week. 8 weeks was plenty.

 

[BeMe]

Thanks, doing my best! Writing everyday and reading in English definitely help.

I got out at the right time. Before Trudeau opened the immigration floodgate and before the vaccine sh*tshow.

HDL went down pretty quickly after only two weeks of 40 mg anavar. I had tabs (pills) so what I did to get a simili-sublingual was to mash it down into a powder using a mortar and pestle that I use for grounding spices. Some imagination was required here. Then took the powder under the tongue for a minute or two to let it completely dissolve. Does that count as sublingual, not sure but it kicked in like a twelve gauge man. I love anavar pre-workout. You really feel invincible. But.... Need to be extra careful to prevent injury. Joints and tendons don't grow at the same rate as our muscle do.

Now I just hope I won't crash HDL more than I should. I would like to see it go back to the mean after stopping it last week. 8 weeks was plenty.

If you get a pill crusher on Amazon it's a lot easier. They're cheap too. Takes literally seconds to grind up and funnel it right under your tongue.

We're you doing 20mgs in the am and pm or just shotgunning the entire 40mgs pre-workout?

 

[haldencapital]

If you get a pill crusher on Amazon it's a lot easier. They're cheap too. Takes literally seconds to grind up and funnel it right under your tongue.

We're you doing 20mgs in the am and pm or just shotgunning the entire 40mgs pre-workout?

I'll look it up. i did not realize pill crushers were a thing. But now that you mention it, pretty obvious!

40 mg all-in straight to the dome preworkout. I don't really get anything out of it outside of my workout. I would rather take it all at once and feel it where it matters the most. But i guess it's personal preference. My focus and my blood flow are both superior while on it. 250 mg of caffeine to rinse it up and we are bringing the weights for a nasty ride I can't wait to get paper thin skin again and see the veiny snakes everywhere

 

[BeMe]

I'll look it up. i did not realize pill crushers were a thing. But now that you mention it, pretty obvious!

40 mg all-in straight to the dome preworkout. I don't really get anything out of it outside of my workout. I would rather take it all at once and feel it where it matters the most. But i guess it's personal preference. My focus and my blood flow are both superior while on it. 250 mg of caffeine to rinse it up and we are bringing the weights for a nasty ride I can't wait to get paper thin skin again and see the veiny snakes everywhere

I've been doing 20mg and I feel a difference, but it's nothing too crazy. Usually adding 5lbs and a rep or two to some movements. By unenhanced standards that would be pretty amazing. I'm trying to go long so I need to keep my doses lower. I've saw there were medical studies where people were given 20mgs a day orally for 16 weeks and it was fine. Sublingual dosing reduces the liver toxicity so I think I can maintain this dose for the whole cycle.

 

[haldencapital]

I've been doing 20mg and I feel a difference, but it's nothing too crazy. Usually adding 5lbs and a rep or two to some movements. By unenhanced standards that would be pretty amazing. I'm trying to go long so I need to keep my doses lower. I've saw there were medical studies where people were given 20mgs a day orally for 16 weeks and it was fine. Sublingual dosing reduces the liver toxicity so I think I can maintain this dose for the whole cycle.

16 weeks at 20 mg would be fine I'm sure. And you'll have blood check-in during this time anyway so it's not like you would go blindly for 4 months.

 

[BeMe]

16 weeks at 20 mg would be fine I'm sure. And you'll have blood check-in during this time anyway so it's not like you would go blindly for 4 months.

Yea I'm working with a TRT clinic team so I get fairly regular bloodwork. May 31 I'll go and see how my body is handling all this. By then I'll have been on the higher dose of test and primo for a month so it will be a good time to check in. Hopefully by then I'll look almost as jacked as you

 

[ROIDDERS]

Who won? Everyone here in Canada hates that douche. He's the king rat of the NHL. We only give him a pass when he represents Canada because for a short while he's out rat.

@BeMe i don't think anyone won technically. we both got kicked out of the bar along with our group

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe i don't think anyone won technically. we both got kicked out of the bar along with our group

Ah I was hoping you were gonna say you got him. Hate that rat bastard. I'm a leafs fan in Toronto and we got a lot of bad blood with Boston in the Marchand era. Now we're stuck dealing with his stupid ass again now that he's in Florida.

If you get the chance can you bar fight him again and take him outta the playoffs for us. That would be much appreciated @ROIDDERS

 

[ROIDDERS]

Ah I was hoping you were gonna say you got him. Hate that rat bastard. I'm a leafs fan in Toronto and we got a lot of bad blood with Boston in the Marchand era. Now we're stuck dealing with his stupid ass again now that he's in Florida.

If you get the chance can you bar fight him again and take him outta the playoffs for us. That would be much appreciated @ROIDDERS

@BeMe haha, i know nothing about hockey. so its cool to see that you know him. the bar we used to go always had pro athletes show up. it was the 'hang out' spot for them. we would see lots of fights. these guys are the biggest boneheads you can imagine who just happen to have money

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe haha, i know nothing about hockey. so its cool to see that you know him. the bar we used to go always had pro athletes show up. it was the 'hang out' spot for them. we would see lots of fights. these guys are the biggest boneheads you can imagine who just happen to have money

Yea hockey players aren't known for being the brightest bunch. There's a lot of shows and movies about just that lol. They do all love to party and fight tho. Old school athletes that way haha @ROIDDERS

 

[ROIDDERS]

Yea hockey players aren't known for being the brightest bunch. There's a lot of shows and movies about just that lol. They do all love to party and fight tho. Old school athletes that way haha @ROIDDERS

@BeMe yeah its a culture thing like any profession. i saw an article about a bunch of team canada players getting in trouble for assaulting a poor girl. they think they can do whatever they want cause they think they are the shit just cause they can skate around with a stick SMH

 

[BeMe]

@BeMe yeah its a culture thing like any profession. i saw an article about a bunch of team canada players getting in trouble for assaulting a poor girl. they think they can do whatever they want cause they think they are the shit just cause they can skate around with a stick SMH

@ROIDDERS I think that was the team Canada junior team. It was a bunch of kids mostly from the London Knights. They ended up winning that case because it turned out the girl made a bunch of stuff up. It was during the metoo days and from the sounds of it she hooked up with a couple of the players then felt bad about it a few days later when her mom found out.

 

[ROIDDERS]

@ROIDDERS I think that was the team Canada junior team. It was a bunch of kids mostly from the London Knights. They ended up winning that case because it turned out the girl made a bunch of stuff up. It was during the metoo days and from the sounds of it she hooked up with a couple of the players then felt bad about it a few days later when her mom found out.

@BeMe its possible yeah. its the whole jock/chick dynamic