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[antipodean]

My (possible) trt journey log

Ill try make this consise, if you can't be bothered reading just skip to the TLDR at the bottom for a shorter version.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 175cm
Weight: 96kg
Bodyfat%: can just see abs
Occupation: construction
Type of training: powerlifting/rucking with some bodybuilding thrown In as I have twig arms and need them to be bigger.

Based In rural NZ, originally from Australia.
Began training in late teens, mostly body-building type training, wemt pretty hard, 4am starts most mornings for roughly 6 years.
Gym goals changed to more powerlifting orientated goals but I also like rucking so I did that too.
After having first bub strength somehow went through the roof. (Bub is now 3)
Moved to nz with wife and bubs, 8 months in and getting to my strongest and fittest I've been hit my 3 plate bench, 4 plate squat and 4.5 plate deadlift for a triple then I hurt my back real bad doing light stuff, took some time off, came back and then slowly this weird cloud/haze of weight descended upon me. I lost almost all energy, woukd take me until lunch break at work before I 'woke up'.
This continued for 6 months before I asked doctors to do a blood test just to check for my test levels as I was curious.
8.7
In NZ, that's the lowest of the healthy range bracket. (I'm 28, not 68, how the fuck is that healthy)
Asked doc for something to help. And he told me 'this is just the new normal, get used to it'
Shit you're a gay fucker aren't you, guess that's what I get for trying to ask for help from a system that chem bombs our foods and water and tells us to stop being so 'masculine'.

Anyway, for a while now I've been in this really low energy state, sometimes it gets that cloudy bad half asleep mode, sometimes I'm fine for a few days and gym when I can. But what bothers me most isn't that I can't gym and have lost strength but that I don't even have the energy to play with my now 2 bubs and help my wife as much as I want. It's really disgusting.

Asked a friend if theres anything he knows about getting gear in NZ and he does some research for me after I didn't find shit and finds the evo forum (the man saves my life)

Think I had a quick peek a week or so ago. And the amount of info is astounding, and there's genuine help from everyone on here just about.

Anyway. I messaged a couple people who have helped me a bit deciding what to do.

Another nz guy @vanlife_gymbum suggested I do a self administered trt protocol, gave me a heap of info, shot me some links to podcasts from the evo guys and I listened to them at work. The stuff they said wasn't new, as you can imagine any early 20 year old bodybuilder type, I looked into gear and info on it for ages but the general consensus was 'don't touch gear until your hormones have leveled out, you're still too young, grow some more' and that was the best advise I could have got given. An absolute godsend. Anyway, the podcasts were great, awesome info and helped me decide that trt would be a good way to do things if I was to go this path. I understand it's a forever thing (which is slightly unnerving), that it will impact fertility (I still want more kids, not sure about wife as she's the one who actually does the birthing), that I might have some side effects (I can deal with it, if I feel like a useful father again)

My wife is on board with the idea as long as it is safe, and unless the gear advertised here was safe, I don't think it would be advertised. Told her guys will help me and she trusts that I trust randoms off the internet.

Basically some questions I've got Include:
1.What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

2.what should I run? General consensus is test cyp or enanthate as they're longer esters so I dont need to pin often, but also maybe sus250, but I know nothing about sus other than its a combo. Cyp sounds most popular.

3. If I run this trt do I cycle up and down, Like a really low blast and cruise? I ask this as I would like to retain some fertility and don't want my nads to be totally useless just yet.

4. If this is a forever trt protocol then what will that do to my estrogen? As I understand it the body will produce more to balance levels of estrogen to the heightened test levels? Will that make me want to dress like a slut and support abortion when my estrogen goes up or do I take aromatise inhibitors or something to supress my estrogen levels forever along with my test cyp or whatever I get on.

To anyone who has read this far, congratulations, you don't get a gift, sorry.

Diet:
Eat 3 to 4 meals a day
Brekky: 6 eggs and toast with 1L of raw milk, whatever fruit I want.
Lunch: usually 500g of deer, beef or chicken, with the rest of the container filled with rice or pasta and some sauce on top.
Dinner: whatever my wife makes (usually resembles lunch but it tastes nice since she cooked it)
Meal 4: either before lunch or before bed ill have more milk, some fruit.

Yes I understand my protein intake isn't amazing but ill sort that out after I sort out these energy levels, at this point I'm not going to waste money on protein powders and heaps more food because im not training, so I dont need it as much, might as well save money.
Prior to the low test thing, I'd have 5 meals a day every day, so I know what I need to eat, and will up that as soon as I start training again.

Before anyone says 'but you shouldnt rely on motivation to train, you just don't have discipline' eat my ass. Not literally. I was in the army for years, I got up at 4 every day while living by myself for years, I ate boring shit food for years for the results. I know what discipline is, bit I can't express to you how little energy I have.

Training: prior to this fuck around it was 3 days on 1 day off
Something resembling a
1 10km ruck @35 kg
2 bench, and arms
3 deadlift
4 rest
5 squat and bench
6 deadlift and arms or shoulders
7 shoulders and some form of carry complex (sandbags, farmers, etc)
8 rest

I've remained untouched by your filthy extracurricular substances throughout my training time but have come mighty close to jumping in before.

Only supplements I take is some form of pre workout, 10g creatine, baking soda and salt for my pre workout and then whenever I was doing gym regularly I'd have some form of whey protein powder (one without the fillers and shit some have in them) after gym with breakfast.

I've got a home gym, no machines except the cable thing I made with a high or low pull setting, barbells and plates, dumb bells, rack, bench, sandbags, dip or pullup belt, neck trainer, Skipping rope, rubber bands and hopes and dreams.

TLDR: my test got absolutely tanked for some reason and i feel absolutely energyless and im looking for a solution. Essentially I want to be a competent father again, and I want your help to do that.

I wont be posting pictures of myself at this time, I hate the way I look so until I don't feel like a sack, I'll hold off on that, if that's ok with you lads.

Thank you for your time.
I hope to be posting weekly and I will endeavour to reply to everyone as soon as I can. If not weekly then fortnightly, will essentially copy and paste my training log on here with my diet and how I'm overall feeling with the proposed cycle/protocol.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

This is great man, good work!! I'll definitely hit you up for some powerlifting advice once you've got on top of your health issues, I want to go that route.

You gotta poat a pic of your midsection bro, you chop your head off with the screenshot tool or blur it if you want, and cover your tattoos if you want too. There's very experienced guys and atcual professionals here that will give you feedback tailored to you and they need to know about you, that's why our logs have photos, diet, training and gear use all laid out so they can see everything there to figure things out for you.

Both of mine are on the first pages of my two logs. I post updated pictures every two to four weeks.

I'll explain the verified vendor thing and how it all works in DM to you, but you will be able to get clean legit gear one way or the other. I'll also show you how to get testing done yourself, and you can take your wife with you when you get it done. I got some new UGL gear tested yesterday atcually.

But when I said you should seperate the two things of your health problem/low testosterone and TRT as one thing, and your gym stuff where you might want to do a full cycle in the future that'd be something additional and different, and avoid using words like "steriods" when talking about TRT.

NZ is small and we don't yet have any verified vendors. I'm trying my best to help with this but it's a long process for good reason and we need to do this properly.

However the statements you male become true when you look at the global Evo, and especially the podcast sponsors and thr six sources on the main homepage or the six little square banner ads you see at the top. I know Purity Source Labs and UGFreak will post here but let's talk off-line about that as it's long and I'm only half way into that process.

But if we use the same separation strategy for that, and for your TRT you have one set of gear that's not included in any other lifting related cycles you may choose to do later.

If you say choose UGFreak or PSL, both top super elite Evo sources you definitely trust, that have janoshik tests, etc. Then pick a brand that sponsors the podcast like Euro Pharma, Para Pharma, Beligas from Belgium who are an atcual pharmaceutical company and buy it through UGFreak or PSL.

On a TRT dose of 150mg a week for example a 10ml vial will last you 16 weeks

250mg per ml times 10 is 2500mg, that decided by 150mg is 16.6 weeks per vial.

So really it's going to be cheap as fuck. You get the batch with a janoshik lab test, get the vial, take wife to the drug testing place I'll tell you about so she can see some things like that the only active compounds are the testosterone & esters, and a certain level of heavy metal and contamination.

There will be a lab tech there to answer all your questions and if not satisfied they will send to a big lab for full testing, also free but takes 3 to 6 weeks.

So I can definitely help you be certain you have good gear.

But let's keep the administration between us at the moment, it's a detail she doesn't need to sign off on, she trusts you - and I am willing to walk you through the whole thing on video or whatever. Read my needle exchange guide too, that's a bunch of stuff I learnt the proper hard way so hopefully you can avoid common mistakes.

So what have you decided and what is outstanding?

Also will get @LevButlerov to make your thread officially your log soon

Great work man and welcome to evo!

 

[LevButlerov]

My (possible) trt journey log

Ill try make this consise, if you can't be bothered reading just skip to the TLDR at the bottom for a shorter version.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 175cm
Weight: 96kg
Bodyfat%: can just see abs
Occupation: construction
Type of training: powerlifting/rucking with some bodybuilding thrown In as I have twig arms and need them to be bigger.

Based In rural NZ, originally from Australia.
Began training in late teens, mostly body-building type training, wemt pretty hard, 4am starts most mornings for roughly 6 years.
Gym goals changed to more powerlifting orientated goals but I also like rucking so I did that too.
After having first bub strength somehow went through the roof. (Bub is now 3)
Moved to nz with wife and bubs, 8 months in and getting to my strongest and fittest I've been hit my 3 plate bench, 4 plate squat and 4.5 plate deadlift for a triple then I hurt my back real bad doing light stuff, took some time off, came back and then slowly this weird cloud/haze of weight descended upon me. I lost almost all energy, woukd take me until lunch break at work before I 'woke up'.
This continued for 6 months before I asked doctors to do a blood test just to check for my test levels as I was curious.
8.7
In NZ, that's the lowest of the healthy range bracket. (I'm 28, not 68, how the fuck is that healthy)
Asked doc for something to help. And he told me 'this is just the new normal, get used to it'
Shit you're a gay fucker aren't you, guess that's what I get for trying to ask for help from a system that chem bombs our foods and water and tells us to stop being so 'masculine'.

Anyway, for a while now I've been in this really low energy state, sometimes it gets that cloudy bad half asleep mode, sometimes I'm fine for a few days and gym when I can. But what bothers me most isn't that I can't gym and have lost strength but that I don't even have the energy to play with my now 2 bubs and help my wife as much as I want. It's really disgusting.

Asked a friend if theres anything he knows about getting gear in NZ and he does some research for me after I didn't find shit and finds the evo forum (the man saves my life)

Think I had a quick peek a week or so ago. And the amount of info is astounding, and there's genuine help from everyone on here just about.

Anyway. I messaged a couple people who have helped me a bit deciding what to do.

Another nz guy @vanlife_gymbum suggested I do a self administered trt protocol, gave me a heap of info, shot me some links to podcasts from the evo guys and I listened to them at work. The stuff they said wasn't new, as you can imagine any early 20 year old bodybuilder type, I looked into gear and info on it for ages but the general consensus was 'don't touch gear until your hormones have leveled out, you're still too young, grow some more' and that was the best advise I could have got given. An absolute godsend. Anyway, the podcasts were great, awesome info and helped me decide that trt would be a good way to do things if I was to go this path. I understand it's a forever thing (which is slightly unnerving), that it will impact fertility (I still want more kids, not sure about wife as she's the one who actually does the birthing), that I might have some side effects (I can deal with it, if I feel like a useful father again)

My wife is on board with the idea as long as it is safe, and unless the gear advertised here was safe, I don't think it would be advertised. Told her guys will help me and she trusts that I trust randoms off the internet.

Basically some questions I've got Include:
1.What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

2.what should I run? General consensus is test cyp or enanthate as they're longer esters so I dont need to pin often, but also maybe sus250, but I know nothing about sus other than its a combo. Cyp sounds most popular.

3. If I run this trt do I cycle up and down, Like a really low blast and cruise? I ask this as I would like to retain some fertility and don't want my nads to be totally useless just yet.

4. If this is a forever trt protocol then what will that do to my estrogen? As I understand it the body will produce more to balance levels of estrogen to the heightened test levels? Will that make me want to dress like a slut and support abortion when my estrogen goes up or do I take aromatise inhibitors or something to supress my estrogen levels forever along with my test cyp or whatever I get on.

To anyone who has read this far, congratulations, you don't get a gift, sorry.

Diet:
Eat 3 to 4 meals a day
Brekky: 6 eggs and toast with 1L of raw milk, whatever fruit I want.
Lunch: usually 500g of deer, beef or chicken, with the rest of the container filled with rice or pasta and some sauce on top.
Dinner: whatever my wife makes (usually resembles lunch but it tastes nice since she cooked it)
Meal 4: either before lunch or before bed ill have more milk, some fruit.

Yes I understand my protein intake isn't amazing but ill sort that out after I sort out these energy levels, at this point I'm not going to waste money on protein powders and heaps more food because im not training, so I dont need it as much, might as well save money.
Prior to the low test thing, I'd have 5 meals a day every day, so I know what I need to eat, and will up that as soon as I start training again.

Before anyone says 'but you shouldnt rely on motivation to train, you just don't have discipline' eat my ass. Not literally. I was in the army for years, I got up at 4 every day while living by myself for years, I ate boring shit food for years for the results. I know what discipline is, bit I can't express to you how little energy I have.

Training: prior to this fuck around it was 3 days on 1 day off
Something resembling a
1 10km ruck @35 kg
2 bench, and arms
3 deadlift
4 rest
5 squat and bench
6 deadlift and arms or shoulders
7 shoulders and some form of carry complex (sandbags, farmers, etc)
8 rest

I've remained untouched by your filthy extracurricular substances throughout my training time but have come mighty close to jumping in before.

Only supplements I take is some form of pre workout, 10g creatine, baking soda and salt for my pre workout and then whenever I was doing gym regularly I'd have some form of whey protein powder (one without the fillers and shit some have in them) after gym with breakfast.

I've got a home gym, no machines except the cable thing I made with a high or low pull setting, barbells and plates, dumb bells, rack, bench, sandbags, dip or pullup belt, neck trainer, Skipping rope, rubber bands and hopes and dreams.

TLDR: my test got absolutely tanked for some reason and i feel absolutely energyless and im looking for a solution. Essentially I want to be a competent father again, and I want your help to do that.

I wont be posting pictures of myself at this time, I hate the way I look so until I don't feel like a sack, I'll hold off on that, if that's ok with you lads.

Thank you for your time.
I hope to be posting weekly and I will endeavour to reply to everyone as soon as I can. If not weekly then fortnightly, will essentially copy and paste my training log on here with my diet and how I'm overall feeling with the proposed cycle/protocol.

welcome to the EVO family @antipodean
Good start laying everything out and you sound switched on with the training history and goals.

Without pictures we can’t help properly because we need to see your base and where you’re sitting right now before advising TRT dose or whether you even need sport TRT, so start a log with weekly updates so we can track changes and guide you right.
Just 1 picture with your face blurred to get the log going would be a must.

 

[antipodean]

This is great man, good work!! I'll definitely hit you up for some powerlifting advice once you've got on top of your health issues, I want to go that route.

You gotta poat a pic of your midsection bro, you chop your head off with the screenshot tool or blur it if you want, and cover your tattoos if you want too. There's very experienced guys and atcual professionals here that will give you feedback tailored to you and they need to know about you, that's why our logs have photos, diet, training and gear use all laid out so they can see everything there to figure things out for you.

Both of mine are on the first pages of my two logs. I post updated pictures every two to four weeks.

I'll explain the verified vendor thing and how it all works in DM to you, but you will be able to get clean legit gear one way or the other. I'll also show you how to get testing done yourself, and you can take your wife with you when you get it done. I got some new UGL gear tested yesterday atcually.

But when I said you should seperate the two things of your health problem/low testosterone and TRT as one thing, and your gym stuff where you might want to do a full cycle in the future that'd be something additional and different, and avoid using words like "steriods" when talking about TRT.

NZ is small and we don't yet have any verified vendors. I'm trying my best to help with this but it's a long process for good reason and we need to do this properly.

However the statements you male become true when you look at the global Evo, and especially the podcast sponsors and thr six sources on the main homepage or the six little square banner ads you see at the top. I know Purity Source Labs and UGFreak will post here but let's talk off-line about that as it's long and I'm only half way into that process.

But if we use the same separation strategy for that, and for your TRT you have one set of gear that's not included in any other lifting related cycles you may choose to do later.

If you say choose UGFreak or PSL, both top super elite Evo sources you definitely trust, that have janoshik tests, etc. Then pick a brand that sponsors the podcast like Euro Pharma, Para Pharma, Beligas from Belgium who are an atcual pharmaceutical company and buy it through UGFreak or PSL.

On a TRT dose of 150mg a week for example a 10ml vial will last you 16 weeks

250mg per ml times 10 is 2500mg, that decided by 150mg is 16.6 weeks per vial.

So really it's going to be cheap as fuck. You get the batch with a janoshik lab test, get the vial, take wife to the drug testing place I'll tell you about so she can see some things like that the only active compounds are the testosterone & esters, and a certain level of heavy metal and contamination.

There will be a lab tech there to answer all your questions and if not satisfied they will send to a big lab for full testing, also free but takes 3 to 6 weeks.

So I can definitely help you be certain you have good gear.

But let's keep the administration between us at the moment, it's a detail she doesn't need to sign off on, she trusts you - and I am willing to walk you through the whole thing on video or whatever. Read my needle exchange guide too, that's a bunch of stuff I learnt the proper hard way so hopefully you can avoid common mistakes.

So what have you decided and what is outstanding?

Also will get @LevButlerov to make your thread officially your log soon

Great work man and welcome to evo!

Alright I'll see if I can take a picture soon.

 

[antipodean]

welcome to the EVO family @antipodean
Good start laying everything out and you sound switched on with the training history and goals.

Without pictures we can’t help properly because we need to see your base and where you’re sitting right now before advising TRT dose or whether you even need sport TRT, so start a log with weekly updates so we can track changes and guide you right.
Just 1 picture with your face blurred to get the log going would be a must.

Alright, I'll try take a picture soon.

 

[antipodean]

Here's one just now after work. no pump or whatever. please no bullying, I'm a sensitive fawn.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

View attachment 141228Here's one just now after work. no pump or whatever. please no bullying, I'm a sensitive fawn.

There's no bullying here brother, and it's a judgement free zone. We look out for each other and people will give it to your straight if you're thinking about doing something stupid but that's from a place of caring too. You're among friends here as you'll soon find out for yourself.

But also you look pretty good man, can see the online of your abs and your traps look huge.. gotta tell me how you did that

You got a good base bro!

Might be an idea to get a little notebook or note taking app to record stuff at the gym and during the day so you got everything when you get around to writing it all up.

I also take photos of everything and order my gallery photos by date so I can see what I did yesterday or this morning. My short term memory is so bad I can not remember weather I have taken my pins and pills already and if it went for the photos I'd double up quick.

So everything cool with your wife bro? No rush or pressure or anything, but let me know when you're ready and I'll help you acquire legit gear and then show you how to go and get it tested.

You can take the wife for this too, I think doing things like tha will help. I took my mum with me to the methadone pharmacy back when I still took Antabuse, the deterrent med that stops you from drinking. My dad took it when he quit drinking in the 80s so se knew all about it.

The reality is I'm getting the strongest opoids I've ever had given to me for free, but my mum sees that I'm taking Antabuse given to me by the pharmacist who watches me swallow it with my methadone. She knows I'm not going to skip methadone for anything so he's gets peace of mind. Wife's and mothers worry about stuff so anything you can do to keep her in loop is good I think. Apart from too much info about the administration haha

 

[LevButlerov]

My (possible) trt journey log

Ill try make this consise, if you can't be bothered reading just skip to the TLDR at the bottom for a shorter version.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 175cm
Weight: 96kg
Bodyfat%: can just see abs
Occupation: construction
Type of training: powerlifting/rucking with some bodybuilding thrown In as I have twig arms and need them to be bigger.

Based In rural NZ, originally from Australia.
Began training in late teens, mostly body-building type training, wemt pretty hard, 4am starts most mornings for roughly 6 years.
Gym goals changed to more powerlifting orientated goals but I also like rucking so I did that too.
After having first bub strength somehow went through the roof. (Bub is now 3)
Moved to nz with wife and bubs, 8 months in and getting to my strongest and fittest I've been hit my 3 plate bench, 4 plate squat and 4.5 plate deadlift for a triple then I hurt my back real bad doing light stuff, took some time off, came back and then slowly this weird cloud/haze of weight descended upon me. I lost almost all energy, woukd take me until lunch break at work before I 'woke up'.
This continued for 6 months before I asked doctors to do a blood test just to check for my test levels as I was curious.
8.7
In NZ, that's the lowest of the healthy range bracket. (I'm 28, not 68, how the fuck is that healthy)
Asked doc for something to help. And he told me 'this is just the new normal, get used to it'
Shit you're a gay fucker aren't you, guess that's what I get for trying to ask for help from a system that chem bombs our foods and water and tells us to stop being so 'masculine'.

Anyway, for a while now I've been in this really low energy state, sometimes it gets that cloudy bad half asleep mode, sometimes I'm fine for a few days and gym when I can. But what bothers me most isn't that I can't gym and have lost strength but that I don't even have the energy to play with my now 2 bubs and help my wife as much as I want. It's really disgusting.

Asked a friend if theres anything he knows about getting gear in NZ and he does some research for me after I didn't find shit and finds the evo forum (the man saves my life)

Think I had a quick peek a week or so ago. And the amount of info is astounding, and there's genuine help from everyone on here just about.

Anyway. I messaged a couple people who have helped me a bit deciding what to do.

Another nz guy @vanlife_gymbum suggested I do a self administered trt protocol, gave me a heap of info, shot me some links to podcasts from the evo guys and I listened to them at work. The stuff they said wasn't new, as you can imagine any early 20 year old bodybuilder type, I looked into gear and info on it for ages but the general consensus was 'don't touch gear until your hormones have leveled out, you're still too young, grow some more' and that was the best advise I could have got given. An absolute godsend. Anyway, the podcasts were great, awesome info and helped me decide that trt would be a good way to do things if I was to go this path. I understand it's a forever thing (which is slightly unnerving), that it will impact fertility (I still want more kids, not sure about wife as she's the one who actually does the birthing), that I might have some side effects (I can deal with it, if I feel like a useful father again)

My wife is on board with the idea as long as it is safe, and unless the gear advertised here was safe, I don't think it would be advertised. Told her guys will help me and she trusts that I trust randoms off the internet.

Basically some questions I've got Include:
1.What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

2.what should I run? General consensus is test cyp or enanthate as they're longer esters so I dont need to pin often, but also maybe sus250, but I know nothing about sus other than its a combo. Cyp sounds most popular.

3. If I run this trt do I cycle up and down, Like a really low blast and cruise? I ask this as I would like to retain some fertility and don't want my nads to be totally useless just yet.

4. If this is a forever trt protocol then what will that do to my estrogen? As I understand it the body will produce more to balance levels of estrogen to the heightened test levels? Will that make me want to dress like a slut and support abortion when my estrogen goes up or do I take aromatise inhibitors or something to supress my estrogen levels forever along with my test cyp or whatever I get on.

To anyone who has read this far, congratulations, you don't get a gift, sorry.

Diet:
Eat 3 to 4 meals a day
Brekky: 6 eggs and toast with 1L of raw milk, whatever fruit I want.
Lunch: usually 500g of deer, beef or chicken, with the rest of the container filled with rice or pasta and some sauce on top.
Dinner: whatever my wife makes (usually resembles lunch but it tastes nice since she cooked it)
Meal 4: either before lunch or before bed ill have more milk, some fruit.

Yes I understand my protein intake isn't amazing but ill sort that out after I sort out these energy levels, at this point I'm not going to waste money on protein powders and heaps more food because im not training, so I dont need it as much, might as well save money.
Prior to the low test thing, I'd have 5 meals a day every day, so I know what I need to eat, and will up that as soon as I start training again.

Before anyone says 'but you shouldnt rely on motivation to train, you just don't have discipline' eat my ass. Not literally. I was in the army for years, I got up at 4 every day while living by myself for years, I ate boring shit food for years for the results. I know what discipline is, bit I can't express to you how little energy I have.

Training: prior to this fuck around it was 3 days on 1 day off
Something resembling a
1 10km ruck @35 kg
2 bench, and arms
3 deadlift
4 rest
5 squat and bench
6 deadlift and arms or shoulders
7 shoulders and some form of carry complex (sandbags, farmers, etc)
8 rest

I've remained untouched by your filthy extracurricular substances throughout my training time but have come mighty close to jumping in before.

Only supplements I take is some form of pre workout, 10g creatine, baking soda and salt for my pre workout and then whenever I was doing gym regularly I'd have some form of whey protein powder (one without the fillers and shit some have in them) after gym with breakfast.

I've got a home gym, no machines except the cable thing I made with a high or low pull setting, barbells and plates, dumb bells, rack, bench, sandbags, dip or pullup belt, neck trainer, Skipping rope, rubber bands and hopes and dreams.

TLDR: my test got absolutely tanked for some reason and i feel absolutely energyless and im looking for a solution. Essentially I want to be a competent father again, and I want your help to do that.

I wont be posting pictures of myself at this time, I hate the way I look so until I don't feel like a sack, I'll hold off on that, if that's ok with you lads.

Thank you for your time.
I hope to be posting weekly and I will endeavour to reply to everyone as soon as I can. If not weekly then fortnightly, will essentially copy and paste my training log on here with my diet and how I'm overall feeling with the proposed cycle/protocol.

Now fully welcome to the EVO family @antipodean
You look good in the pic and you have a strong base with wide shoulders and solid structure for power work
. Starting around 150mg test e is the clean move but I think we can even go to 200.

can you please share those bloods from doc? just blur personal info.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

View attachment 141228Here's one just now after work. no pump or whatever. please no bullying, I'm a sensitive fawn.

 

[antipodean]

Now fully welcome to the EVO family @antipodean
You look good in the pic and you have a strong base with wide shoulders and solid structure for power work
. Starting around 150mg test e is the clean move but I think we can even go to 200.

can you please share those bloods from doc? just blur personal info.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

I'd offer pictures of my training diary, but my handwriting is absolute shit.
Do you mind if I just throw in a week's worth of training once a week or do you want me doing daily posts here?

As my post said, only supplements I take are a pre, creatine with baking soda in it.

I've got to get an idea of what else to take (if any) on such a low cycle. It's not oral, so my insides won't be punished as much, it's test, so nothing really foreign for my body. Do I need an AI or something to supress esteogen thatll inevitably rise when I take more test?

 

[antipodean]

There's no bullying here brother, and it's a judgement free zone. We look out for each other and people will give it to your straight if you're thinking about doing something stupid but that's from a place of caring too. You're among friends here as you'll soon find out for yourself.

But also you look pretty good man, can see the online of your abs and your traps look huge.. gotta tell me how you did that

You got a good base bro!

Might be an idea to get a little notebook or note taking app to record stuff at the gym and during the day so you got everything when you get around to writing it all up.

I also take photos of everything and order my gallery photos by date so I can see what I did yesterday or this morning. My short term memory is so bad I can not remember weather I have taken my pins and pills already and if it went for the photos I'd double up quick.

So everything cool with your wife bro? No rush or pressure or anything, but let me know when you're ready and I'll help you acquire legit gear and then show you how to go and get it tested.

You can take the wife for this too, I think doing things like tha will help. I took my mum with me to the methadone pharmacy back when I still took Antabuse, the deterrent med that stops you from drinking. My dad took it when he quit drinking in the 80s so se knew all about it.

The reality is I'm getting the strongest opoids I've ever had given to me for free, but my mum sees that I'm taking Antabuse given to me by the pharmacist who watches me swallow it with my methadone. She knows I'm not going to skip methadone for anything so he's gets peace of mind. Wife's and mothers worry about stuff so anything you can do to keep her in loop is good I think. Apart from too much info about the administration haha

Traps just come from doing lots of carries and rows. Sometimes high reps on shrugs or rows, sometimes short and heavy sandbag carries, etc.

Yeah everything is cool with my wife.
Shes not fussed about attending any places to test the gear.

What do I google to find where to get syringes from?

Do I need to do any permanent aromatise inhibitors, estrogen suppressants or a PCT type thing?

 

[antipodean]

Now fully welcome to the EVO family @antipodean
You look good in the pic and you have a strong base with wide shoulders and solid structure for power work
. Starting around 150mg test e is the clean move but I think we can even go to 200.

can you please share those bloods from doc? just blur personal info.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

Here is my last test done. The others weren't emailed to me but were sent to doctor, first was 8.7 and second was 11.1, this was the third that I asked ro get emailed to me. Do you want any more results? I had median on everything else they tested for besides b12 where I was 697 (average range was 170-600)

 

[LevButlerov]

I'd offer pictures of my training diary, but my handwriting is absolute shit.
Do you mind if I just throw in a week's worth of training once a week or do you want me doing daily posts here?

sure add a week of training please @antipodean

As my post said, only supplements I take are a pre, creatine with baking soda in it.

i saw what you said I wanted to confirm
you need to add digestive aids asap

I've got to get an idea of what else to take (if any) on such a low cycle. It's not oral, so my insides won't be punished as much, it's test, so nothing really foreign for my body. Do I need an AI or something to supress esteogen thatll inevitably rise when I take more test?

You should have TRT dose 200mgs/week with some eq and get some organ liver support on hand.

Here is my last test done. The others weren't emailed to me but were sent to doctor, first was 8.7 and second was 11.1, this was the third that I asked ro get emailed to me. Do you want any more results? I had median on everything else they tested for besides b12 where I was 697 (average range was 170-600)

I see your bloods but do you have e2 test? lh/fsh? alt/ast?

 

[antipodean]

sure add a week of training please @antipodean

No probs, I'll add it up on monday

i saw what you said I wanted to confirm
you need to add digestive aids asap

What aids do you suggest?

You should have TRT dose 200mgs/week with some eq and get some organ liver support on hand.

Eq as in equipoise? is that going to be a forever thing as well? this wasn't meant to be a full cycle, just wanting my energy back. If the first couple months works, I might add other stuff.

What organ support would you suggest n2?

I see your bloods but do you have e2 test? lh/fsh? alt/ast?

I haven't asked for Any specific things these were just what the doctor ordered and I added the testosterone part myself since they didn't even want to test for it.
Ill add the rest in the attached pictures.

 

[Mobster]

I'll do this one:
What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

No. Start with the typical amount and get yourself tested. Typical RANGES from 90 TO 120. Don't automatically use more than you MIGHT need.

 

[JasonM50]

Traps just come from doing lots of carries and rows. Sometimes high reps on shrugs or rows, sometimes short and heavy sandbag carries, etc.

Yeah everything is cool with my wife.
Shes not fussed about attending any places to test the gear.

What do I google to find where to get syringes from?

Do I need to do any permanent aromatise inhibitors, estrogen suppressants or a PCT type thing?

GOogle needle exchange, your first purchase costs(not alot) and the you return the tub and you get free as you are exchanging

 

[antipodean]

I'll do this one:
What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

No. Start with the typical amount and get yourself tested. Typical RANGES from 90 TO 120. Don't automatically use more than you MIGHT need.

Ok thanks mate.
Ill start lower and work my way up. Do I need anything else to stop or reduce estrogen production? Or at those levels is it not something to worry about?

Cheers.

 

[antipodean]

GOogle needle exchange, your first purchase costs(not alot) and the you return the tub and you get free as you are exchanging

Thank you sir,

Ill do that now.

 

[antipodean]

Thank you sir,

Ill do that now.

Far out the process seems easy as.

Ill pick up what I need (plus a few extra) on monday. Thanks for the help.

 

[JasonM50]

Far out the process seems easy as.

Ill pick up what I need (plus a few extra) on monday. Thanks for the help.

No problem, the one i go to they are really nice there too, its obvious we are not there to do hard drugs

 

[willipede]

No. Start with the typical amount and get yourself tested. Typical RANGES from 90 TO 120. Don't automatically use more than you MIGHT need.

This advice here

You've gone from chronically low test to a normal healthy range.

The difference can and likely will be life changing.

If you aren't going to use a doctor for TRT I would for the most part treat yourself as a doctor objectively.

Start with the minimum effective dose. If your planning on using test e. I'd start even as low as 120mg per week.

After 4-5 weeks get some record how your feeling, then bloods drawn in that order.

Then as you become for familiar with the hormones and PEDs you can play around with dosages

 

[LevButlerov]

No probs, I'll add it up on monday

What aids do you suggest?

Eq as in equipoise? is that going to be a forever thing as well? this wasn't meant to be a full cycle, just wanting my energy back. If the first couple months works, I might add other stuff.

What organ support would you suggest n2?

I haven't asked for Any specific things these were just what the doctor ordered and I added the testosterone part myself since they didn't even want to test for it.
Ill add the rest in the attached pictures.

we should get e2 tested possible soon? @antipodean

organ liver cycle support get n2guard
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

eq thats a good add imo 100mgs to start.

 

[stevesmi]

My (possible) trt journey log

Ill try make this consise, if you can't be bothered reading just skip to the TLDR at the bottom for a shorter version.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 175cm
Weight: 96kg
Bodyfat%: can just see abs
Occupation: construction
Type of training: powerlifting/rucking with some bodybuilding thrown In as I have twig arms and need them to be bigger.

Based In rural NZ, originally from Australia.
Began training in late teens, mostly body-building type training, wemt pretty hard, 4am starts most mornings for roughly 6 years.
Gym goals changed to more powerlifting orientated goals but I also like rucking so I did that too.
After having first bub strength somehow went through the roof. (Bub is now 3)
Moved to nz with wife and bubs, 8 months in and getting to my strongest and fittest I've been hit my 3 plate bench, 4 plate squat and 4.5 plate deadlift for a triple then I hurt my back real bad doing light stuff, took some time off, came back and then slowly this weird cloud/haze of weight descended upon me. I lost almost all energy, woukd take me until lunch break at work before I 'woke up'.
This continued for 6 months before I asked doctors to do a blood test just to check for my test levels as I was curious.
8.7
In NZ, that's the lowest of the healthy range bracket. (I'm 28, not 68, how the fuck is that healthy)
Asked doc for something to help. And he told me 'this is just the new normal, get used to it'
Shit you're a gay fucker aren't you, guess that's what I get for trying to ask for help from a system that chem bombs our foods and water and tells us to stop being so 'masculine'.

Anyway, for a while now I've been in this really low energy state, sometimes it gets that cloudy bad half asleep mode, sometimes I'm fine for a few days and gym when I can. But what bothers me most isn't that I can't gym and have lost strength but that I don't even have the energy to play with my now 2 bubs and help my wife as much as I want. It's really disgusting.

Asked a friend if theres anything he knows about getting gear in NZ and he does some research for me after I didn't find shit and finds the evo forum (the man saves my life)

Think I had a quick peek a week or so ago. And the amount of info is astounding, and there's genuine help from everyone on here just about.

Anyway. I messaged a couple people who have helped me a bit deciding what to do.

Another nz guy @vanlife_gymbum suggested I do a self administered trt protocol, gave me a heap of info, shot me some links to podcasts from the evo guys and I listened to them at work. The stuff they said wasn't new, as you can imagine any early 20 year old bodybuilder type, I looked into gear and info on it for ages but the general consensus was 'don't touch gear until your hormones have leveled out, you're still too young, grow some more' and that was the best advise I could have got given. An absolute godsend. Anyway, the podcasts were great, awesome info and helped me decide that trt would be a good way to do things if I was to go this path. I understand it's a forever thing (which is slightly unnerving), that it will impact fertility (I still want more kids, not sure about wife as she's the one who actually does the birthing), that I might have some side effects (I can deal with it, if I feel like a useful father again)

My wife is on board with the idea as long as it is safe, and unless the gear advertised here was safe, I don't think it would be advertised. Told her guys will help me and she trusts that I trust randoms off the internet.

Basically some questions I've got Include:
1.What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

2.what should I run? General consensus is test cyp or enanthate as they're longer esters so I dont need to pin often, but also maybe sus250, but I know nothing about sus other than its a combo. Cyp sounds most popular.

3. If I run this trt do I cycle up and down, Like a really low blast and cruise? I ask this as I would like to retain some fertility and don't want my nads to be totally useless just yet.

4. If this is a forever trt protocol then what will that do to my estrogen? As I understand it the body will produce more to balance levels of estrogen to the heightened test levels? Will that make me want to dress like a slut and support abortion when my estrogen goes up or do I take aromatise inhibitors or something to supress my estrogen levels forever along with my test cyp or whatever I get on.

To anyone who has read this far, congratulations, you don't get a gift, sorry.

Diet:
Eat 3 to 4 meals a day
Brekky: 6 eggs and toast with 1L of raw milk, whatever fruit I want.
Lunch: usually 500g of deer, beef or chicken, with the rest of the container filled with rice or pasta and some sauce on top.
Dinner: whatever my wife makes (usually resembles lunch but it tastes nice since she cooked it)
Meal 4: either before lunch or before bed ill have more milk, some fruit.

Yes I understand my protein intake isn't amazing but ill sort that out after I sort out these energy levels, at this point I'm not going to waste money on protein powders and heaps more food because im not training, so I dont need it as much, might as well save money.
Prior to the low test thing, I'd have 5 meals a day every day, so I know what I need to eat, and will up that as soon as I start training again.

Before anyone says 'but you shouldnt rely on motivation to train, you just don't have discipline' eat my ass. Not literally. I was in the army for years, I got up at 4 every day while living by myself for years, I ate boring shit food for years for the results. I know what discipline is, bit I can't express to you how little energy I have.

Training: prior to this fuck around it was 3 days on 1 day off
Something resembling a
1 10km ruck @35 kg
2 bench, and arms
3 deadlift
4 rest
5 squat and bench
6 deadlift and arms or shoulders
7 shoulders and some form of carry complex (sandbags, farmers, etc)
8 rest

I've remained untouched by your filthy extracurricular substances throughout my training time but have come mighty close to jumping in before.

Only supplements I take is some form of pre workout, 10g creatine, baking soda and salt for my pre workout and then whenever I was doing gym regularly I'd have some form of whey protein powder (one without the fillers and shit some have in them) after gym with breakfast.

I've got a home gym, no machines except the cable thing I made with a high or low pull setting, barbells and plates, dumb bells, rack, bench, sandbags, dip or pullup belt, neck trainer, Skipping rope, rubber bands and hopes and dreams.

TLDR: my test got absolutely tanked for some reason and i feel absolutely energyless and im looking for a solution. Essentially I want to be a competent father again, and I want your help to do that.

I wont be posting pictures of myself at this time, I hate the way I look so until I don't feel like a sack, I'll hold off on that, if that's ok with you lads.

Thank you for your time.
I hope to be posting weekly and I will endeavour to reply to everyone as soon as I can. If not weekly then fortnightly, will essentially copy and paste my training log on here with my diet and how I'm overall feeling with the proposed cycle/protocol.

@antipodean I think your workouts look pretty good, man. You got a nice setup going. Don't worry. We will organize everything and help you through.

 

[2Thick]

View attachment 141228Here's one just now after work. no pump or whatever. please no bullying, I'm a sensitive fawn.

Not sure why you're being hard on yourself. You look perfectly fine. Set a goal for 6 months from now and set a goal for 1 year from now. And you'll be shocked at where you end up. @antipodean

 

[OldSchoolRyan]

Good on you for getting the needles sorted already. That's a good step, and yeah, the folks at those exchanges are usually pretty chill.

 

[antipodean]

we should get e2 tested possible soon? @antipodean

organ liver cycle support get n2guard
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard

eq thats a good add imo 100mgs to start.

Ok, I'll see if I can book in a blood test.
How do I approach the GP? tell him I'm starting some form of cycle or what? He's going to want to know why I'm wanting to test for things. Is there anything else I need to test for?

 

[antipodean]

@antipodean I think your workouts look pretty good, man. You got a nice setup going. Don't worry. We will organize everything and help you through.

Thanks mate.

 

[antipodean]

Not sure why you're being hard on yourself. You look perfectly fine. Set a goal for 6 months from now and set a goal for 1 year from now. And you'll be shocked at where you end up. @antipodean

Used to look and feel a whole lot better. In general I've never been happy with how I look.

 

[antipodean]

Good on you for getting the needles sorted already. That's a good step, and yeah, the folks at those exchanges are usually pretty chill.

Thanks for the info, feeling a lot better about process now

 

[Ulter]

Ok, I'll see if I can book in a blood test.
How do I approach the GP? tell him I'm starting some form of cycle or what? He's going to want to know why I'm wanting to test for things. Is there anything else I need to test for?

a true alpha walks in there with a tight muscle shirt and tells him straight up you are saucing it up @antipodean if he refuses to give you the bloodwork test then find a real alpha doctor. usually when i tell them what i want they put their head down quickly and prescribe it

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

Yeah everything is cool with my wife.
Shes not fussed about attending any places to test the gear.

Okay great, sometimes the source of the testosterone is the hurdle, not the needles. If she doesn't want to know then I'd leave it at that, just get the testing done for yourself as at the end of the day you're the one taking the injection. She can notice the affects of the testosterone therapy instead

What do I google to find where to get syringes from?

Pretty much all my knowledge on needles in NZ I wrote up here:

Thread '[Guide] NZ Needle Exchange Program'
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/guide-nz-needle-exchange-program.107052/

But I will find out where the drug checking office is in Christchurch - there's a different system down there and you might have to take $20 with you, needles used to cost a little bit there, I'm not sure if that's still the case though after the government funding came through last year, I moved away 3 years ago.

 

[antipodean]

a true alpha walks in there with a tight muscle shirt and tells him straight up you are saucing it up @antipodean if he refuses to give you the bloodwork test then find a real alpha doctor. usually when i tell them what i want they put their head down quickly and prescribe it

Fuck it, why not I don't have the physical presence of a guy like yourself but ill give it a go haha

 

[antipodean]

Okay great, sometimes the source of the testosterone is the hurdle, not the needles. If she doesn't want to know then I'd leave it at that, just get the testing done for yourself as at the end of the day you're the one taking the injection. She can notice the affects of the testosterone therapy instead



Pretty much all my knowledge on needles in NZ I wrote up here:

Thread '[Guide] NZ Needle Exchange Program'
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/guide-nz-needle-exchange-program.107052/

But I will find out where the drug checking office is in Christchurch - there's a different system down there and you might have to take $20 with you, needles used to cost a little bit there, I'm not sure if that's still the case though after the government funding came through last year, I moved away 3 years ago.

No probs, thanks for that. If you can let me know the site to go to ill find a testing place closer to where I am than christchurch.

 

[ceo]

My (possible) trt journey log

Ill try make this consise, if you can't be bothered reading just skip to the TLDR at the bottom for a shorter version.

Stats:
Age: 28
Height: 175cm
Weight: 96kg
Bodyfat%: can just see abs
Occupation: construction
Type of training: powerlifting/rucking with some bodybuilding thrown In as I have twig arms and need them to be bigger.

Based In rural NZ, originally from Australia.
Began training in late teens, mostly body-building type training, wemt pretty hard, 4am starts most mornings for roughly 6 years.
Gym goals changed to more powerlifting orientated goals but I also like rucking so I did that too.
After having first bub strength somehow went through the roof. (Bub is now 3)
Moved to nz with wife and bubs, 8 months in and getting to my strongest and fittest I've been hit my 3 plate bench, 4 plate squat and 4.5 plate deadlift for a triple then I hurt my back real bad doing light stuff, took some time off, came back and then slowly this weird cloud/haze of weight descended upon me. I lost almost all energy, woukd take me until lunch break at work before I 'woke up'.
This continued for 6 months before I asked doctors to do a blood test just to check for my test levels as I was curious.
8.7
In NZ, that's the lowest of the healthy range bracket. (I'm 28, not 68, how the fuck is that healthy)
Asked doc for something to help. And he told me 'this is just the new normal, get used to it'
Shit you're a gay fucker aren't you, guess that's what I get for trying to ask for help from a system that chem bombs our foods and water and tells us to stop being so 'masculine'.

Anyway, for a while now I've been in this really low energy state, sometimes it gets that cloudy bad half asleep mode, sometimes I'm fine for a few days and gym when I can. But what bothers me most isn't that I can't gym and have lost strength but that I don't even have the energy to play with my now 2 bubs and help my wife as much as I want. It's really disgusting.

Asked a friend if theres anything he knows about getting gear in NZ and he does some research for me after I didn't find shit and finds the evo forum (the man saves my life)

Think I had a quick peek a week or so ago. And the amount of info is astounding, and there's genuine help from everyone on here just about.

Anyway. I messaged a couple people who have helped me a bit deciding what to do.

Another nz guy @vanlife_gymbum suggested I do a self administered trt protocol, gave me a heap of info, shot me some links to podcasts from the evo guys and I listened to them at work. The stuff they said wasn't new, as you can imagine any early 20 year old bodybuilder type, I looked into gear and info on it for ages but the general consensus was 'don't touch gear until your hormones have leveled out, you're still too young, grow some more' and that was the best advise I could have got given. An absolute godsend. Anyway, the podcasts were great, awesome info and helped me decide that trt would be a good way to do things if I was to go this path. I understand it's a forever thing (which is slightly unnerving), that it will impact fertility (I still want more kids, not sure about wife as she's the one who actually does the birthing), that I might have some side effects (I can deal with it, if I feel like a useful father again)

My wife is on board with the idea as long as it is safe, and unless the gear advertised here was safe, I don't think it would be advertised. Told her guys will help me and she trusts that I trust randoms off the internet.

Basically some questions I've got Include:
1.What dosages should I run? The podcasts said the typical trt is up to 120 and the 'sport trt' is around 300. I was going to start at the 150 and see how I responded.

2.what should I run? General consensus is test cyp or enanthate as they're longer esters so I dont need to pin often, but also maybe sus250, but I know nothing about sus other than its a combo. Cyp sounds most popular.

3. If I run this trt do I cycle up and down, Like a really low blast and cruise? I ask this as I would like to retain some fertility and don't want my nads to be totally useless just yet.

4. If this is a forever trt protocol then what will that do to my estrogen? As I understand it the body will produce more to balance levels of estrogen to the heightened test levels? Will that make me want to dress like a slut and support abortion when my estrogen goes up or do I take aromatise inhibitors or something to supress my estrogen levels forever along with my test cyp or whatever I get on.

To anyone who has read this far, congratulations, you don't get a gift, sorry.

Diet:
Eat 3 to 4 meals a day
Brekky: 6 eggs and toast with 1L of raw milk, whatever fruit I want.
Lunch: usually 500g of deer, beef or chicken, with the rest of the container filled with rice or pasta and some sauce on top.
Dinner: whatever my wife makes (usually resembles lunch but it tastes nice since she cooked it)
Meal 4: either before lunch or before bed ill have more milk, some fruit.

Yes I understand my protein intake isn't amazing but ill sort that out after I sort out these energy levels, at this point I'm not going to waste money on protein powders and heaps more food because im not training, so I dont need it as much, might as well save money.
Prior to the low test thing, I'd have 5 meals a day every day, so I know what I need to eat, and will up that as soon as I start training again.

Before anyone says 'but you shouldnt rely on motivation to train, you just don't have discipline' eat my ass. Not literally. I was in the army for years, I got up at 4 every day while living by myself for years, I ate boring shit food for years for the results. I know what discipline is, bit I can't express to you how little energy I have.

Training: prior to this fuck around it was 3 days on 1 day off
Something resembling a
1 10km ruck @35 kg
2 bench, and arms
3 deadlift
4 rest
5 squat and bench
6 deadlift and arms or shoulders
7 shoulders and some form of carry complex (sandbags, farmers, etc)
8 rest

I've remained untouched by your filthy extracurricular substances throughout my training time but have come mighty close to jumping in before.

Only supplements I take is some form of pre workout, 10g creatine, baking soda and salt for my pre workout and then whenever I was doing gym regularly I'd have some form of whey protein powder (one without the fillers and shit some have in them) after gym with breakfast.

I've got a home gym, no machines except the cable thing I made with a high or low pull setting, barbells and plates, dumb bells, rack, bench, sandbags, dip or pullup belt, neck trainer, Skipping rope, rubber bands and hopes and dreams.

TLDR: my test got absolutely tanked for some reason and i feel absolutely energyless and im looking for a solution. Essentially I want to be a competent father again, and I want your help to do that.

I wont be posting pictures of myself at this time, I hate the way I look so until I don't feel like a sack, I'll hold off on that, if that's ok with you lads.

Thank you for your time.
I hope to be posting weekly and I will endeavour to reply to everyone as soon as I can. If not weekly then fortnightly, will essentially copy and paste my training log on here with my diet and how I'm overall feeling with the proposed cycle/protocol.

@antipodean bros glad to have you part of EVO logging family. 3 days on and 1 day off is no joke. That takes a lot of dedication for sure.

 

[antipodean]

@antipodean bros glad to have you part of EVO logging family. 3 days on and 1 day off is no joke. That takes a lot of dedication for sure.

Hi, thanks mate.
It used to be 6 days on 1 day off before I got into this energy rut I described. No clue what caused it. I know I was overtraining and under eating and under recovering, especially with kids interrupting sleep, but I just lived training.

 

[ceo]

Hi, thanks mate.
It used to be 6 days on 1 day off before I got into this energy rut I described. No clue what caused it. I know I was overtraining and under eating and under recovering, especially with kids interrupting sleep, but I just lived training.

bros could be a lot of things. let see on this long if we can get you feeling good again

 

[ROIDDERS]

No probs, thanks for that. If you can let me know the site to go to ill find a testing place closer to where I am than christchurch.

vanlife is a wealth of knowledge. I'm glad you are on here and able to ping pong some ideas back and forth. It's going to help others on here as well. You never know. It's a small world. @antipodean

 

[LevButlerov]

Ok, I'll see if I can book in a blood test.
How do I approach the GP? tell him I'm starting some form of cycle or what? He's going to want to know why I'm wanting to test for things. Is there anything else I need to test for?

You should get private blood work easier @antipodean you saw that post by @vanlife_gymbum ?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/blood-testing-in-nz.106343/

 

[stevesmi]

Thanks mate.

keep it up!

 

[antipodean]

You should get private blood work easier @antipodean you saw that post by @vanlife_gymbum ?
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/blood-testing-in-nz.106343/

Thank you for the link. I'll do it that way I think

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you for the link. I'll do it that way I think

Best is private imo @antipodean
@vanlife_gymbum can confirm

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

No probs, thanks for that. If you can let me know the site to go to ill find a testing place closer to where I am than christchurch.

Ask when you go to the needle exchange, it could well be right there.

Their site is https://thelevel.org.nz/

The Level is run by the NZ Drug Foundation - it's an an independent charitable trust however I'm not 100% sure if this is the same place that they have in christchurch. The whole system is different and I had to change a lot with getting my methadone script moved up to Wellington when I left christchurch.

That site is also where there's a link to the lab test results. I'm writing it instructions for getting testing done currently so be interested to hear how you go down in Christchurch

 

[Ulter]

Fuck it, why not I don't have the physical presence of a guy like yourself but ill give it a go haha

don't worry you will eventually

 

[2Thick]

Used to look and feel a whole lot better. In general I've never been happy with how I look.

body memory will get you back. be patient check out the other logs and see how guys and gals on here have come back

 

[antipodean]

Arrived from life forge today.

Thank you to @vanlife_gymbum and @Life-Forge

Came in like 2 days or something, guy was great to deal with.

Ill sort out a post showing my split and daily diet soon.

Pinning was easy, very simple and free to get clean and hassle free needles and syringes from exchange program here in nz.

Will start with 150mg/week and get e2 tested at 4 weeks to see what it's looking like.

If anyone has suggestions for arimidex pct and or dosages during cycle let me know.

 

[LevButlerov]

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Arrived from life forge today.

Thank you to @vanlife_gymbum and @Life-Forge

Came in like 2 days or something, guy was great to deal with.

Ill sort out a post showing my split and daily diet soon.

Pinning was easy, very simple and free to get clean and hassle free needles and syringes from exchange program here in nz.

Will start with 150mg/week and get e2 tested at 4 weeks to see what it's looking like.

If anyone has suggestions for arimidex pct and or dosages during cycle let me know.

Beautiful @Life-Forge touchdown true quality labels @vanlife_gymbum they are legit!

 

[Life-Forge]

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Arrived from life forge today.

Thank you to @vanlife_gymbum and @Life-Forge

Came in like 2 days or something, guy was great to deal with.

Ill sort out a post showing my split and daily diet soon.

Pinning was easy, very simple and free to get clean and hassle free needles and syringes from exchange program here in nz.

Will start with 150mg/week and get e2 tested at 4 weeks to see what it's looking like.

If anyone has suggestions for arimidex pct and or dosages during cycle let me know.

Enjoy!!!

 

[Life-Forge]

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Arrived from life forge today.

Thank you to @vanlife_gymbum and @Life-Forge

Came in like 2 days or something, guy was great to deal with.

Ill sort out a post showing my split and daily diet soon.

Pinning was easy, very simple and free to get clean and hassle free needles and syringes from exchange program here in nz.

Will start with 150mg/week and get e2 tested at 4 weeks to see what it's looking like.

If anyone has suggestions for arimidex pct and or dosages during cycle let me know.

Less is more with arimidex. 0.25mg once per week for 150mg TRT is plenty. I am a fan of relying on feeling rather than bloods for estrogen control, as it is good for men too, so unless bloods are showing it way out of control, I would just keep the arimidex on hand and start use if you get emotional, sore nipples, super greasy skin. For PCT if you are jumping off TRT in the future, my favorite compound is HCG. Depending on bloods, I would reccomend a shot of 150mg test E every four days rather than once a week, as its half life is about 4-5 days, plus you want your levels to be Great, not Good if you are going through all this hassle!

 

[antipodean]

Less is more with arimidex. 0.25mg once per week for 150mg TRT is plenty. I am a fan of relying on feeling rather than bloods for estrogen control, as it is good for men too, so unless bloods are showing it way out of control, I would just keep the arimidex on hand and start use if you get emotional, sore nipples, super greasy skin. For PCT if you are jumping off TRT in the future, my favorite compound is HCG. Depending on bloods, I would reccomend a shot of 150mg test E every four days rather than once a week, as its half life is about 4-5 days, plus you want your levels to be Great, not Good if you are going through all this hassle!

Where did you get info about half life only being 5 days? Everything I've read says enanthate esters have half lives of 10-12?

 

[Life-Forge]

Where did you get info about half life only being 5 days? Everything I've read says enanthate esters have half lives of 10-12?

I'm qualified in sports medicine Enanthate esters are 4.5 days. If you dose every 7 days you leave yourself low for a few days every week. Not many hobbies have a learning curve this huge that's for sure! Takes a lot of time to get your protocol dialed in, but so worth it!

 

[antipodean]

I'm qualified in sports medicine Enanthate esters are 4.5 days. If you dose every 7 days you leave yourself low for a few days every week. Not many hobbies have a learning curve this huge that's for sure! Takes a lot of time to get your protocol dialed in, but so worth it!

The guys on here with the free pdf on injectables might want to get the facts right then. Alright I'll go every 4 days. I'll just have to get some more off you sooner is all.
Does cypionate has the 10 day half life as advertised in the pdf or is that bull as well?

 

[Life-Forge]

The guys on here with the free pdf on injectables might want to get the facts right then. Alright I'll go every 4 days. I'll just have to get some more off you sooner is all.
Does cypionate has the 10 day half life as advertised in the pdf or is that bull as well?

A lot of misinformation around TRT - so hard to get things straight. I'll post a pic too of a quick google reference I just did so that you can see I'm not talking out of my butt CYP is pretty much the exact same half-life, no point switching over, generally I've seen people choose one over the other only if they are allergic to certain carriers.

If you want to stay at 150MG per week, then just dose 85MG every 4 days, that'll keep you at what you are currently doing, just with a better spread for your body.

 

[antipodean]

A lot of misinformation around TRT - so hard to get things straight. I'll post a pic too of a quick google reference I just did so that you can see I'm not talking out of my butt CYP is pretty much the exact same half-life, no point switching over, generally I've seen people choose one over the other only if they are allergic to certain carriers.

If you want to stay at 150MG per week, then just dose 85MG every 4 days, that'll keep you at what you are currently doing, just with a better spread for your body.

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Don't worry, I believed you. Wonder where this idea or pinning weekly comes from then? It's all I've ever heard that enanthate has lomg half life so just do it weekly, and the pdf on here confirmed that.
Shouldn't I do 75mg every 4 days or is there a reason you said 85 instead?
Is it the same with sus 250? It's got prop, half life like 2 days, enanthate and cyp (4 days), so it's still only got a 4 day half life and it's not that super special?

 

[Life-Forge]

Don't worry, I believed you. Wonder where this idea or pinning weekly comes from then? It's all I've ever heard that enanthate has lomg half life so just do it weekly, and the pdf on here confirmed that.
Shouldn't I do 75mg every 4 days or is there a reason you said 85 instead?
Is it the same with sus 250? It's got prop, half life like 2 days, enanthate and cyp (4 days), so it's still only got a 4 day half life and it's not that super special?

It's possible those PDF's are referring to the time it takes to leave your system entirely, which isn't very useful in application.

Dosing more regularly actually helps keep estrogen down too, so 4 days is good for multiple reasons. It's not a perfect split down the middle of 150MG due to it being 4 days instead of 3.5 days, so 85MG is good every 4 days to stay at 150MG.

Sustanon is good for blasting but not TRT imo, it spikes you quite high short term so it's dosed in small amounts every day or two, basically timing off the Prop half-life not the ENAN or CYP - too much hassle in my book.

 

[antipodean]

It's possible those PDF's are referring to the time it takes to leave your system entirely, which isn't very useful in application.

Dosing more regularly actually helps keep estrogen down too, so 4 days is good for multiple reasons. It's not a perfect split down the middle of 150MG due to it being 4 days instead of 3.5 days, so 85MG is good every 4 days to stay at 150MG.

Sustanon is good for blasting but not TRT imo, it spikes you quite high short term so it's dosed in small amounts every day or two, basically timing off the Prop half-life not the ENAN or CYP - too much hassle in my book.

Ill attach what I read earlier.

Ok sweet as. Thanks a heap for the info. I'll keep you posted on the log about what goes on but I'll lock that in, 85mg every 4 days. And .25mg once a week if I feel like doing the dishes or vacuuming.

 

[Life-Forge]

Ill attach what I read earlier.

Ok sweet as. Thanks a heap for the info. I'll keep you posted on the log about what goes on but I'll lock that in, 85mg every 4 days. And .25mg once a week if I feel like doing the dishes or vacuuming.

Yeah those aren't accurate sadly. GPs used to give out Enanthate shots every two weeks, which leaves people feeling great for 4-5 days, then progressively worse for the other 9 days and miserable towards the end. Now, most GP's prescribe weekly shots, which simply makes it commonly done even if it's incorrect, so it get's spread around a lot online as that's how most people begin their journeys. Proper men's health TRT clinics that know what they are doing all do 4-5 Days now.

Looking forward to hearing how you get on!!!

 

[Life-Forge]

For anyone reading this, I highly recommend steroidplanner.com for accurate dosing schedules.
As an example, I'm personally on Decanoate, (experimenting, don't recommend for the average person). I take this every 7 days, with a half-life of 7-10 days - with this half-life being confirmed by my studying, my personal bloods, and via steroidplanner.com among other steroid plotters - That chart above says every 15 days.

 

[antipodean]

Here are some recent training days, got dates mixed up in book, 3 rest days slotted between all of those as DOMs was quite bad. the deadlift day at 160 was this morning. Felt relitibely good after 4or 5 hours sleep with bubs teething issues. Also, average daily diet is there. No clue what macros are. I'll be adding in a shoulder day next week and a rucking day as well. I think it'll be an 8 or 8 day split overall including rests.

 

[LevButlerov]

Where did you get info about half life only being 5 days? Everything I've read says enanthate esters have half lives of 10-12?

Half life is roughly 4-7 days depends on metabolite clearance @antipodean

 

[LevButlerov]

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Here are some recent training days, got dates mixed up in book, 3 rest days slotted between all of those as DOMs was quite bad. the deadlift day at 160 was this morning. Felt relitibely good after 4or 5 hours sleep with bubs teething issues. Also, average daily diet is there. No clue what macros are. I'll be adding in a shoulder day next week and a rucking day as well. I think it'll be an 8 or 8 day split overall including rests.

Good update the food I can see but the training is hard to see, what was the volume?

 

[antipodean]

Good update the food I can see but the training is hard to see, what was the volume?

Apologies for my horrific writing.
Main lifts (sbd) Max out at 5 reps, for either 3 or 5 sets. Then other lifts usually have 3 to 5 sets of 8 or more reps. I'll write down neater stuff next time.

 

[LevButlerov]

Apologies for my horrific writing.
Main lifts (sbd) Max out at 5 reps, for either 3 or 5 sets. Then other lifts usually have 3 to 5 sets of 8 or more reps. I'll write down neater stuff next time.

would be nice to see weights

 

[antipodean]

would be nice to see weights

For main lifts
Bench 5x5 @110
Squat 3x5 @130
DL 3x5 @160
Strict press 3x5 @70

 

[LevButlerov]

For main lifts
Bench 5x5 @110
Squat 3x5 @130
DL 3x5 @160
Strict press 3x5 @70

130kg right? thats a big squat!

 

[antipodean]

130kg right? thats a big squat!

Yeah kgs.
Used to be doing 160x3 and did some singles at 180. Which was just before I injured my back doing 60kg warm ups lol

 

[LevButlerov]

Yeah kgs.
Used to be doing 160x3 and did some singles at 180. Which was just before I injured my back doing 60kg warm ups lol

in time you'll be back

 

[antipodean]

in time you'll be back

Thanks for the vote of confidence mate. And thanks for your help

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks for the vote of confidence mate. And thanks for your help

EVO family support your way

 

[Mobster]

Old school logging

 

[stevesmi]

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Here are some recent training days, got dates mixed up in book, 3 rest days slotted between all of those as DOMs was quite bad. the deadlift day at 160 was this morning. Felt relitibely good after 4or 5 hours sleep with bubs teething issues. Also, average daily diet is there. No clue what macros are. I'll be adding in a shoulder day next week and a rucking day as well. I think it'll be an 8 or 8 day split overall including rests.

@antipodean The food looks really solid man. I see a lot of good clean food in there. That's what I like to see. I'm a big believer in natural eating.

 

[Ulter]

Thanks for the vote of confidence mate. And thanks for your help

Life is full of ups and downs. I thought my life was over after my wife plunged to her death off the balcony. But now look at me. I look the best I've ever looked in my life. According to a lot of people on here. It's about being an alpha. @antipodean

 

[antipodean]

@antipodean The food looks really solid man. I see a lot of good clean food in there. That's what I like to see. I'm a big believer in natural eating.

I dont know how people can want to do gym stuff but not eat whole foods.

 

[antipodean]

Life is full of ups and downs. I thought my life was over after my wife plunged to her death off the balcony. But now look at me. I look the best I've ever looked in my life. According to a lot of people on here. It's about being an alpha. @antipodean

Sprry to hear that, id be in the gutter if that ever happened. Amen brother be a man worth remembering. If you're no jesus, become a Dorian Yates

 

[Warthog61]

Old school logging

Back when i was stationed in Germany i used to use printer paper and would grab a piece when i got off duty every day before the gym and had a 3 ring binder i would keep in my barracks, the good ole' days broke and had to walk everywhere. Some days i think it would be easier than my phone. Thank god for the chow hall! Visited it 4-5 times a day

 

[ceo]

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Here are some recent training days, got dates mixed up in book, 3 rest days slotted between all of those as DOMs was quite bad. the deadlift day at 160 was this morning. Felt relitibely good after 4or 5 hours sleep with bubs teething issues. Also, average daily diet is there. No clue what macros are. I'll be adding in a shoulder day next week and a rucking day as well. I think it'll be an 8 or 8 day split overall including rests.

bros oats and blueberries good fiber. good carbs too @antipodean Sound like pretty good breakfast to me.

 

[antipodean]

bros oats and blueberries good fiber. good carbs too @antipodean Sound like pretty good breakfast to me.

Over 1.5L of hard-to-find-space-in-my-stomach goodness

 

[ceo]

Over 1.5L of hard-to-find-space-in-my-stomach goodness

bros i think i ate too much fiber this morning when i got up. stomach not feeling too good

 

[2Thick]

Apologies for my horrific writing.
Main lifts (sbd) Max out at 5 reps, for either 3 or 5 sets. Then other lifts usually have 3 to 5 sets of 8 or more reps. I'll write down neater stuff next time.

@antipodean haha your writing does suck lol. check out the other logs and how guys log their workouts. it takes a bit of time at first but after a few tries its easy to log

 

[ROIDDERS]

Apologies for my horrific writing.
Main lifts (sbd) Max out at 5 reps, for either 3 or 5 sets. Then other lifts usually have 3 to 5 sets of 8 or more reps. I'll write down neater stuff next time.

From what I could make out, the workouts look pretty good, man. I got a lot of respect for your hard work on here. That's someone that definitely likes to train, I can tell. @antipodean

 

[antipodean]

Y

From what I could make out, the workouts look pretty good, man. I got a lot of respect for your hard work on here. That's someone that definitely likes to train, I can tell. @antipodean

Our should have seen the ridiculous training I did when I had machines and not just my home gym. Didn't feel like I had a workout until I used every fucking thing in the gym. Some sort of mental illness hahaha

 

[ballin2504]

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Here are some recent training days, got dates mixed up in book, 3 rest days slotted between all of those as DOMs was quite bad. the deadlift day at 160 was this morning. Felt relitibely good after 4or 5 hours sleep with bubs teething issues. Also, average daily diet is there. No clue what macros are. I'll be adding in a shoulder day next week and a rucking day as well. I think it'll be an 8 or 8 day split overall including rests.

@antipodean Really nice update man. Kinda hard to read but looks like it was some good training.

 

[antipodean]

@antipodean Really nice update man. Kinda hard to read but looks like it was some good training.

At this point ill just say the writing is so horrible to read as I was physically shaking from the pure intensity of the workout. It's definitely not because my handwriting is bad or anything hahhah

 

[stevesmi]

I dont know how people can want to do gym stuff but not eat whole foods.

many people don't understand nutrition. corporations have done a great job of tricking people over the years plus people learn how to eat via their parents. so parents don't do a good job of teaching them how to eat. many families go out to eat every single day!

 

[Ulter]

Sprry to hear that, id be in the gutter if that ever happened. Amen brother be a man worth remembering. If you're no jesus, become a Dorian Yates

yes the gym is my new wife

 

[ROIDDERS]

Y

Our should have seen the ridiculous training I did when I had machines and not just my home gym. Didn't feel like I had a workout until I used every fucking thing in the gym. Some sort of mental illness hahaha

That's what it's all about, man. I think we all have some sort of mental illness.

 

[antipodean]

Apologies for lack of updates. I've been quite busy recently.
I've changes pinning dates to every 4 days 85mg, and .25mg of arimidex every week. feeling slightly more energised, but not ridiculously so. Apparently my wife has noticed I'm humping her in my sleep more than usual, so something must be working.
In terms of recovery, it still takes a while for my DOMs to sort itself out. It's usually 3-4 days before I can train the muscle group again, depending on how much buggerising around I do at work.

I've attempted to write my training sessions a bit neater, bit I don't think it's worked. Enjoy deciphering what the heck I wrote.
I had a couple more rest days than I would have liked, but when I've got bad muscle soreness, I don't bother trying to push through it, as I've pulled and strained things being an idiot before.

I've had some thoughts about upping this trt dosage to a sports trt like @vanlife_gymbum vanlife had done previously. After this vial is almost done, just so I can see what that feels like.

I have also been chatting to another guy who suggested I run just deca and proviron, then go back to my current trt dosage. I'm no medical genius, but I don't want deca dick, so maybe it's best if I drop test for that period. If anyone has experience with that, let me know, I don't want a limp willy.

The needle exchange guy gave me a call back, I've gotta run up to christurch for testing, maybe I'll do that when I'm on my last ml or so, before I jump into whatever 'blast' stage I do next.

Thank you for your patience, here are some training logs.

 

[vanlife_gymbum]

I've had some thoughts about upping this trt dosage to a sports trt like @vanlife_gymbum vanlife had done previously. After this vial is almost done, just so I can see what that feels like.

I have also been chatting to another guy who suggested I run just deca and proviron, then go back to my current trt dosage. I'm no medical genius, but I don't want deca dick, so maybe it's best if I drop test for that period. If anyone has experience with that, let me know, I don't want a limp willy.

For what reason would you abandon your TRT in favor of this? I would strongly recommend you don't stop your testosterone now. It's only been two weeks or so right? But in this hypothetical case, you'd still have your TRT dose, that's what's getting you to baseline normal, it's not what people are referring to when they talk about deca only cycles.

I think it's best if you think of TRT as a seperate medical problem that has nothing to do with the gym or blasting steriods to avoid further confusion.

If I was you I'd up test to 300mg and start using it for gym goals, and drop back to TRT levels later.

TRT is for life if you don't bail soon, and even then you're back to where you were with crashed test again. 150mg is a TRT dose, you're not going to see crazy muscles or anything from that, but it will hopefully fix the low testosterone symptoms that led you to try test in the first place.

300mg is more getting your toes wet with an atcual blasting dose. I changed physically from 300-400mg, my first Evo log is 4 weeks of 300mg and 4 weeks of 400mg.

Then when that's all sorted, then you can add whatever you want. Deca is exactly what I'm gonna try next, that shit looks awesome

Let me know if I can clear anything up bro.

Also the "Sports TRT" thing was kind of a joke, I don't care what others think of my dose. Except my Mum, and I thought that sounded vaguely offical so I'd use that line in the highly unlikely event that my parents question my dose, which is now 600mg. The @Mobster TRT Tripple dose.

 

[antipodean]

I wouldnt abandon,
The deca thing would just be the 'blast' to the trt 'cruise' as I know the 150 is forever basically. just want to know if I can do deca only without the trt to ensure I don't get a soft doodle when it matters lol.

For what reason would you abandon your TRT in favor of this? I would strongly recommend you don't stop your testosterone now. It's only been two weeks or so right? But in this hypothetical case, you'd still have your TRT dose, that's what's getting you to baseline normal, it's not what people are referring to when they talk about deca only cycles.

 

[LevButlerov]

Apologies for lack of updates. I've been quite busy recently.
I've changes pinning dates to every 4 days 85mg, and .25mg of arimidex every week. feeling slightly more energised, but not ridiculously so. Apparently my wife has noticed I'm humping her in my sleep more than usual, so something must be working.
In terms of recovery, it still takes a while for my DOMs to sort itself out. It's usually 3-4 days before I can train the muscle group again, depending on how much buggerising around I do at work.

I've attempted to write my training sessions a bit neater, bit I don't think it's worked. Enjoy deciphering what the heck I wrote.
I had a couple more rest days than I would have liked, but when I've got bad muscle soreness, I don't bother trying to push through it, as I've pulled and strained things being an idiot before.

I've had some thoughts about upping this trt dosage to a sports trt like @vanlife_gymbum vanlife had done previously. After this vial is almost done, just so I can see what that feels like.

I have also been chatting to another guy who suggested I run just deca and proviron, then go back to my current trt dosage. I'm no medical genius, but I don't want deca dick, so maybe it's best if I drop test for that period. If anyone has experience with that, let me know, I don't want a limp willy.

The needle exchange guy gave me a call back, I've gotta run up to christurch for testing, maybe I'll do that when I'm on my last ml or so, before I jump into whatever 'blast' stage I do next.

Thank you for your patience, here are some training logs.

Good update @antipodean
Your notes read fine but i'm not sure of some of the exercises, are you able to put this on phone notes? you can copy paste from there

For the deca idea keep your test in because dropping it is what causes the limp issues and a simple low dose proviron on top keeps balance clean without problems. Anytime deca is in the game testosterone needs to be there with proviron.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman

 

[Dreamer]

If your having trouble recovering upping the test isnt a terrible idea - have you done bloods?

 

[antipodean]

Good update @antipodean
Your notes read fine but i'm not sure of some of the exercises, are you able to put this on phone notes? you can copy paste from there

For the deca idea keep your test in because dropping it is what causes the limp issues and a simple low dose proviron on top keeps balance clean without problems. Anytime deca is in the game testosterone needs to be there with proviron.

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy
@toddthelineman

Awesome, thanks

 

[antipodean]

If your having trouble recovering upping the test isnt a terrible idea - have you done bloods?

No bloods done yet, will have to take a day off to get tests done as docs aren't open outside of work hours where I am unfortunately.

 

[LevButlerov]

Awesome, thanks

happy to see you update

 

[antipodean]

Good update @antipodean
Your notes read fine but i'm not sure of some of the exercises, are you able to put this on phone notes? you can copy paste from there

Ill write up what I did this arvo. Gotta head to a kids bday

 

[LevButlerov]

Ill write up what I did this arvo. Gotta head to a kids bday

sounds good enjoy the bday @antipodean

 

[HarleyGuy]

Apologies for lack of updates. I've been quite busy recently.
I've changes pinning dates to every 4 days 85mg, and .25mg of arimidex every week. feeling slightly more energised, but not ridiculously so. Apparently my wife has noticed I'm humping her in my sleep more than usual, so something must be working.
In terms of recovery, it still takes a while for my DOMs to sort itself out. It's usually 3-4 days before I can train the muscle group again, depending on how much buggerising around I do at work.

I've attempted to write my training sessions a bit neater, bit I don't think it's worked. Enjoy deciphering what the heck I wrote.
I had a couple more rest days than I would have liked, but when I've got bad muscle soreness, I don't bother trying to push through it, as I've pulled and strained things being an idiot before.

I've had some thoughts about upping this trt dosage to a sports trt like @vanlife_gymbum vanlife had done previously. After this vial is almost done, just so I can see what that feels like.

I have also been chatting to another guy who suggested I run just deca and proviron, then go back to my current trt dosage. I'm no medical genius, but I don't want deca dick, so maybe it's best if I drop test for that period. If anyone has experience with that, let me know, I don't want a limp willy.

The needle exchange guy gave me a call back, I've gotta run up to christurch for testing, maybe I'll do that when I'm on my last ml or so, before I jump into whatever 'blast' stage I do next.

Thank you for your patience, here are some training logs.

it still takes a while for my DOMs to sort itself out. It's usually 3-4 days before I can train the muscle group again,

Up your protein if DOMS are lasting that long. Day 1 and 2 mild DOMS is fine but 4 days indicates a problem with recovery. What digestive supps are you using?

I have also been chatting to another guy who suggested I run just deca and proviron, then go back to my current trt dosage.

"another guy" usually doesn't know what they're talking about and if they do know you'll learn to tell which ones do. Ask here, and don't run Deca without some sort of Test base. Proviron is a good idea always.

 

[antipodean]

Up your protein if DOMS are lasting that long. Day 1 and 2 mild DOMS is fine but 4 days indicates a problem with recovery. What digestive supps are you using?

"another guy" usually doesn't know what they're talking about and if they do know you'll learn to tell which ones do. Ask here, and don't run Deca without some sort of Test base. Proviron is a good idea always.

Alrughty, thanks. I'll try to add in some more with a can of tuna or something. One bub is teething at the moment, so sleep is probably 5 to 6 hours a night which doesn't help either. I work 9 to q0hr days building so it's quite physical, need to find more time to ear meat.

Ill keep that in mind, he's a friend of mine I've known for years, he's only ever run just deca and proviron cycles. He says it works for him so why change. I'll do some research into how much test to run so I dont have a floppy disc.

Cheers.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Alrughty, thanks. I'll try to add in some more with a can of tuna or something. One bub is teething at the moment, so sleep is probably 5 to 6 hours a night which doesn't help either. I work 9 to q0hr days building so it's quite physical, need to find more time to ear meat.

Ill keep that in mind, he's a friend of mine I've known for years, he's only ever run just deca and proviron cycles. He says it works for him so why change. I'll do some research into how much test to run so I dont have a floppy disc.

Cheers.

You'll need to keep the protein high with that kind of day job plus the DOMS you're getting from workouts. I'd meal prep and try to force feed up to 2lbs of meat in you during the day. Steaks, chicken, pork, fish, etc. With digestions supps it will help you be able to pack that down.

Deca only cycles aren't the most ideal nor the wisest choice for the body which you will see when doing bloodwork.

 

[waggat]

Apologies for lack of updates. I've been quite busy recently.
I've changes pinning dates to every 4 days 85mg, and .25mg of arimidex every week. feeling slightly more energised, but not ridiculously so. Apparently my wife has noticed I'm humping her in my sleep more than usual, so something must be working.
In terms of recovery, it still takes a while for my DOMs to sort itself out. It's usually 3-4 days before I can train the muscle group again, depending on how much buggerising around I do at work.

I've attempted to write my training sessions a bit neater, bit I don't think it's worked. Enjoy deciphering what the heck I wrote.
I had a couple more rest days than I would have liked, but when I've got bad muscle soreness, I don't bother trying to push through it, as I've pulled and strained things being an idiot before.

I've had some thoughts about upping this trt dosage to a sports trt like @vanlife_gymbum vanlife had done previously. After this vial is almost done, just so I can see what that feels like.

I have also been chatting to another guy who suggested I run just deca and proviron, then go back to my current trt dosage. I'm no medical genius, but I don't want deca dick, so maybe it's best if I drop test for that period. If anyone has experience with that, let me know, I don't want a limp willy.

The needle exchange guy gave me a call back, I've gotta run up to christurch for testing, maybe I'll do that when I'm on my last ml or so, before I jump into whatever 'blast' stage I do next.

Thank you for your patience, here are some training logs.

How much protein you getting per day mate? That will help with recovery and doms.

 

[antipodean]

You'll need to keep the protein high with that kind of day job plus the DOMS you're getting from workouts. I'd meal prep and try to force feed up to 2lbs of meat in you during the day. Steaks, chicken, pork, fish, etc. With digestions supps it will help you be able to pack that down.

Deca only cycles aren't the most ideal nor the wisest choice for the body which you will see when doing bloodwork.

I already do meal prep. I have brekky blended and lunch made so I finish gym before work and can eat on the way to work. Then my wife has the pre dinner blended tuna for me ready to go before dinner when I get back.
Need to get more breaks in at work lol. Maybe I should fill my tool belt with nuts and snack on them during the day too.
When I go and get another deer I'll make some biltong and snack on that too.

Alrighty, I'll bugger off the deca only idea. I'll keep test as a base. Is there a dosage you'd recommend?

 

[antipodean]

How much protein you getting per day mate? That will help with recovery and doms.

I haven't done macros yet. If you scroll up you'll see wheat i eat during work days, and it rarely deviates from that on the weekend ( unless I have a kids birthday in which case you can substitute a few things with cake and sugar lol)