Ahhh that's why you're so all in. Finally it makes sense. You gave it to your mom so it is really personal. I'd take that personally too. I get it.
All peptides are not from China. The place I order from, not a source here, has a lab here outside Toronto. Canlab was by far the biggest peptide source in Canada before the CBC killed them and they had a lab in Quebec. My doctor was friends with the owner of Canlab and told me they had a very sophisticated lab.
Care to elaborate? I don't turn blind eyes so how bout you open mine.
Yea but you get what you give dude. That's the point I'm making. You came here all fired up throwing around some crazy accusations outta no where talking about pay offs and other shit that was totally made up. Me and Harley are the only Canadians mods and we haven't been given anything .
There are options but you're an endurance guy so you're probably not tied into the right networks. I have an amazing low key doc who works with the powerlifting strong man community here in Ontario. I know there are other guys out there too apart from the concierge medical services companies you mentioned. People just won't go around giving up their connects on forums. Can't blow up their docs that way you know.Also I forgot to mention they accept Paypal, so chargeback is possible
All underground stuff, you'll need to keep digging into places like glp1 forums. Everything is sketch though, you'll need to join group-testing to really vet what you have is the real deal. 1/10 vials + group fee. Even with Syn, do you even know what you have is what they tested, unless you send off a tablet or a vial? Who's got the resources to do that though. Canada also sucks in terms of blood testing (https://teletest.ca/app/care/mens-health/) is only offered in 1/12 provinces in Canada + ease of access to real gear. Unless you want to pay out of the ass for stuff like Gambit Health or Felix (you can search those up to see the costs per month) for less than TRT dosages...
We are, I’m blazing right now about to go hit the gym.
You're supposed to blaze after not before lol. Let's argue about that instead haha
You keep acting like unless a non mod jumps in and agrees or disagrees with us, you automatically win the argument, that is not how truth works and it is not how EVO family works. @BCGains We go by history logs, bloods and patterns over time, not a popularity contest or how many people you can pressure into saying a source is good.
Yes you do need to. Because turning the ship that is EVO that has been full steam ahead for 8 years ain't gonna happen, there has been many of you on here trying to do what you're doing so yes, I would move on to be honest.
I was more meaning just this topic in general. Not trying to change the way you guys operate at all. This isn’t even a discussion of what the post was made about anymore it’s just grown men acting like kids in school.
I thought the same thing here but I'm done getting specific with where and how he's wrong and instead I'm focusing on the fact that EVO isn't going to change. EVO is EVO and whether he is correct or not actually doesn't matter yet he fails to see that. We do EVO here and our process works, it doesn't matter if he's right or wrong and we're not budging. That's what has him so butthurt is we don't care if he's correct or not because we have our approved sources via our own standards and we stand by them.
Seems to be what you and @BCGains along with some others have swayed a lot of threads into and we will reply each time and stand up for EVO. There have been many members come on here and operate this way you're not the first and you won't be the last. What you're pointing out and the arguments you're trying to make have been heard time and time again and it doesn't matter if you're right or wrong but when a member posts accusations or continues on repping unapproved sources we will put our two cents in not to trust it. If that starts a fired up debate then that's on you. If you zoom out and look at the landscape of course we think someone pushing that hard is a rep, either that or a narcissist who needs to get those of authority to agree with him and when they don't they throw a tantrum. So, yes, there are members here acting like school kids I agree but our position won't change.
Send me free gear and I’ll add it in my signature and play along too.
I'm bored with you now. Not giving you any attention anymore.
Don’t be like that, I wake up every morning and open evo while I take a shit. Don’t ruin the fun now.
Ok that was a good one, and yes it is fun at this point for me at least.
Excellent and well put. This is what I’ve been trying to say over and over but alas, some don’t want to hear it.
I don’t know the market in other parts of the world exactly but Canada def has many good sources, they just stay under the radar for the most part.
I used to operate by word of mouth 20 years ago. Now I have EVO who operates transparently and publicly with years of logs and testing to back up the sources that are approved on here. New websites that pop up that your buddies are saying are good isn’t good enough here. Again, whether you have found a new Canadian source that is legit isn’t the argument as I hope they are legit for your sake. The argument is that they are not established nor approved on EVO to which our standards are high.
Look Harley I think you are missing the point I have been trying to make this entire time.
If it’s not approved here I don’t trust it. And that’s a privilege EVO provides me to have trust in our domestic sources. You can throw out all types of names like I do to describe this lack of trust. Scammers, shady, no balls to come on here and get approved, bunk, too new of a source, pick your flavour of how to describe it it all means the same thing. They all apply to me until they’re approved because I trust EVO by knowing the EVO approval process more than I trust members popping up trying to do what you’re doing. And it happens often you’re not unique and the argument has been attempted before and not many sources end up here for a probationary period let alone approved.
hey, would you mind sharing syn or purs lab tests for current batches? since you're saying evo is all proven and all that. thanks boss.
Ask @SYNPharmaDist. I’ve never used SYN I use Nordic Fusion but SYN is approved here (the brand SYN) so they will have them.
Syn is approved here, but they also sell gear that’s “not approved” and have had people with blood work prove it and nothing has yet to be done about it or even a comment from Syn themselves on this board.
hey would you mind not being a smart ass? we discuss this nonsense before @Stranger go read my posts about 1 time lab tests, total trash, only logs count
If only logs count how different Is that from me telling you a product worked well or guys in my gym getting good results? There’s literally no difference. One I see in real time in person, the other I read on a forum.
hows asking for lab tests being a smart ass? you're making this board look like a scam, guy. i suggest other mods have a word with you, ngl
How is asking for lab tests being a smart ass? Easy, when you pretend nobody answered you and act like this is some huge “gotcha” after it has already been broken down 10s of times in this very section. 1 off janoshik or any other lab sheet on a single vial proves nothing about long term dosing or batch consistency and you know that, it just gives a shady brand a pretty PDF to wave around while they underdose the next 20 runs. @Stranger
You did not log anything, you just said you, your mom lol and some guys in your gym like a product, @BCGains that is not a log and you know it. A real log runs for weeks with exact doses dates training sessions diet changes bloodwork and pics so people can see if the results actually line up with what is on the label over time, not just take some guy’s word for it. Come on, your claim was your mom took the growth guys peptides, just way ovearboard!
K lmao
Lev you and I and other mods even @Mobster have tried to regurgitate this to him not unlike countless of those others like him and they're just never gonna get it. For some people their buddies at the gym getting acne and their Mom losing weight will always be enough evidence that that source is awesome and that we only promote our "own" sources that apparently pay us boatloads of cash and we therefore decide anyone else is therefore a scam (which until approved here, yes I assume they are and that keeps me safe). I'm not pinning my mom with anything GG LOL and until they (those just like @BCGains) realize we pounce on people recommending unapproved sources is because we actually care then they will never get it. Having said that we don't flame people for posting logs with unapproved gear and are certainly interested to see the results, just doesn't mean they will get approved or one person getting results means that source is at all close to being reputable.
@LevButlerov He's like an ANTIFA paid agitator for GG is what he is.
I forgot about that song lol. I don't have kids so that takes me way back. Thanks for the memories haha
You take really really really long shits from the looks of it lol
Your off one that one bro. There have been open discussions in the Syn thread and there have been talks behind the scenes as well. The situation hasn't gone unnoticed or addressed. I promise you that.
What are you even implying with this. @LevButlerov has already address how lab tests can easily be faked. In fact @nattybydesign did a great job of laying that out himself and how group testing is really the only way to know for sure. If you read back you can educate yourself on the entire situation. Instead you've just hopped in mid way and like @LevButlerov said stirred up shit with stupid questions.
Mmmkay
Oh God here goes Eddie Rascal!
Yup, you do that. Give 'em hell Stranger and bring your black rose too.
It made me LOL for real. HarleyGirl often asks me if I'm watching Key and Peele over here they're one of the only skits that can make me laugh then I tell her it's EVO and she's like "oh you guys". LMAOTrying to lighten the mood for thanksgiving
My apologies! Thanks for correcting me.
I read over the last 20 posts, this thread is gold
thank you @HarleyGuy @BeMe @LevButlerov best entertainment.
my caffeine stim is nothing like this
All good bro. We're concerned just like you. You brought up a good point
Sooo much for calming down lolI read over the last 20 posts, this thread is gold
@BCGains perfect villain role.
and our newcomer @bigbadvuke tell me what kind of adhd meds you on? I want those
Late entrant @Stranger let’s see what you got.
GOATed
@BCGains is like Candyman only you only need to say Growth Guys once and he appears lolGOATed
He's a paid agitator for GG. Waits for anything GG and him and his GG Reta-pinned Mom are ready at the computer full of adrenaline fueled tantrums. She types and he talks.
dude this thread is just a thread to advertise GG at this point. its like if i was spamming in the syn thread demanding for a jano test and @‘ing the source every half day
SL in canada doesn't have much sadly
im going to play devils advocate and say, people should try strate labs in canada, their tests show higher purity. also they have jano tests for their sarms. i bet a ton of teens are using their sarms too
yeh i was thinking of getting their enclo and see how i feel on it, also they got some ostarine i can try with my current log. cialis is an easy thing to test too.
cialis easy to test if your NO is not depleted fyi @nattybydesign
That is all true because i had an issue one time with a source when i was logging when i was using a certain brand my numbers on 300mg came in lower than they should have, i typically get bloods before during and after runs, i remember people questioning it and calling it out because i know where i should be on 300mg with test, the log and bloodwork did point that out along with the documentation i posted from the bloodwork. I can see the points you made as ive gone through it, only happened one time and was never repeated so that is a good thing.
I will point that out its a commonly known fact its all from China and if not China sometimes India at the end of the day every single source in existence is buying from some contact in china, thats why everyone who didn't have a small stash was freaking out for a while because you couldn't get certain things like mast or primo etc, that is true.
I agree with a fair amount of points here, at the end of the day i dont know any one behind the sources personally so other than batch testing and a label i got to just blindy trust what someone i dont know says is in the vial and on the labels, the Russian Roulette part is true, at the end of the day besides bloodwork and knowing what your body is doing within a certain degree we all really have no clue or idea because we don't know any of these people the suppliers or the contacts. I see it as this we either don't use anything or we all jump blindly off the cliff and inject just kind of how it is. The only real saving grace is if you have had real compounds and know how you feel and how you respond, you can sometimes tell if something is not right or off based on the results or how your strength is or isnt body feels just small thing's in general.
Ive done intentional for shipping sometimes 10 days other times 4 weeks, once i tried a domestic source being domestic-supply.com which is who sponsors me alot I will be open about that fact, with DS they are as fast as Amazon prime typically 2 days turn around on a busy time frame like holidays etc 5 days at the most in my own personal experience, the people behind DS have been in business for a extremely long time now at this point. I couldn't imagine going international again unless i absolutely had to do so.
Yeah im all for conversation this whole thing has been more of a crap shoot if anything, enough points proven on all sides and in the end we are just spinning wheels and not having productive conversations. I say we just close this one completely and start fresh and just forget about this entire situation.
I’m about to meet a guy who supposedly has a peptide lab right in my area. Chick working for me helped set up his business but she’s not educated on biochemistry, of course. I’m not either but I’m super curious about what he’s doing.
You keep playing victim and twisting the dm story but the truth is simple I asked you to bring Growth Guys here to explain themselves about scamming EVO brothers @BCGains and you would not because you are them! you are the rep of growth guys I'm more convinced then ever!
No adhd meds, just bad luck gear, fucked up hormones. If I didn't have lorazepam I'd be like the jokerI read over the last 20 posts, this thread is gold
@BCGains perfect villain role.
and our newcomer @bigbadvuke tell me what kind of adhd meds you on? I want those
Late entrant @Stranger let’s see what you got.
EVO has been entertaining thus far thats for sure.
Fully agreed, get logging going for as many guys as possible will put out best actual long term results for gearNo adhd meds, just bad luck gear, fucked up hormones. If I didn't have lorazepam I'd be like the joker
MAIN point, get approved shit! Or test it! I got waaay to comfortable for to long, shortage happened and boom leveled myself. Unless your best bros with the buddy doing the mix testing raws.....can happen to anyone. But there are rules i used to abide by to minimize it and I got cocky....and here I am back to following the rules.
You want good gear it's gotta be approved and you gotta put some work in. Do a log now and then, test. You'll get taken care of then and you'll have testing aswell which many vendors even cover the if you post a fucking excellent beastly log.
@bigbadvuke
You sure about that?
I see his point clearly. You’re defending them on your mama but you don’t even know them? That seems weird. I’ve had good sources go bad. Now I don’t mess with them if they aren’t approved here, even if it costs more. Because the savings isn’t worth it when you get randomly or selectively scammed
sharing private conversations that's smart, hey newsflash it's against TOS to share private conversations by mods, read TOS @BCGains
@BCGains works for growth guys, he's trying to play this neutral game with us saying he injects his mom sister and whole family with reta, he's a clown I get it now @toddthelineman
I don’t see how hard it is to understand that the approval process is so important and that we can’t be having randos sharing their supposed good experiences with whatever vendor they like. I’ve used numerous sources with good results and bad. I don’t ever share them because they are not approved and I have no way of knowing if they will exit scam. And because I’ve been burned before and was in a bad place because of it, I don’t use them either. Idc how many anonymous internet strangers say they inject their family with illegal drugs successfully, because they are anonymous internet strangers and there are no ways to protect myself whatsoever! Vendors are not sports teams, we don’t root for them like that. Even evos approval can only mitigate damage in a worst case scenario. It’s all we can do@BCGains works for growth guys, he's trying to play this neutral game with us saying he injects his mom sister and whole family with reta, he's a clown I get it now @toddthelineman
This is the plan. Even if it keeps a few brands in line worth it. Accountability.Fully agreed, get logging going for as many guys as possible will put out best actual long term results for gear
One approved vial that's tested thoroughly is ultimately only one vial.....just because one is good unapproved/unrepresented doesn't mean it's solid gear. Basically when that happens to me? If I share it, I simply state wow I hit the unapproved jackpot, order at your own risk and don't take shit that ain't tested.....occasionally I'll test unapproved shit, if it comes out clean I'll run it, but one test doesn't make me trust it....and no one else should either. Some brands are lazy but good ones will have a face....and plenty of tests and logs......I experiment with them sometimes but rarely will I post them unless there's a bunch if others who have and got good results and done a good log.
Mostly anyone serious on here works for someone or a brand......BCGains has been neutral with me even when It came to Syn a brand he stands with, he didn't try damage control he agreed the bottles could have been fucked with because of the raw situation. It'll all come out in the due time. He is very neutral. But he gave good advice order approved source on here, then gave alternatives worth testing.....sure they are unapproved, unrepresented, but one I've heard about talked about locally in the lower mainland especially since the raw drought.....I've been guilty of testing unapproved unrepresented sources but I rarely post them it's mostly for me.@BCGains works for growth guys, he's trying to play this neutral game with us saying he injects his mom sister and whole family with reta, he's a clown I get it now @toddthelineman
I think you are a good guy @bigbadvuke and I respect that you are actually testing and thinking about risk, but I completely disagree on one big point here. @BCGains is clearly using the anger and hardship of other guys to manipulate and control the narrative in this thread, that is not “neutral,” that is classic source rep behavior dressed up as community concern.
Im going to agree with all of this as well. It is true any lab can send 1 vial of legit gear for testing and post results. Thats why i like it when users post about their experience and gains/issues. We recently had one person thinking we were selling him EQ instead of primo. Wont lie, when he semnt to jano for testing and posted the results and his experience, with the results being 96.65mg/ml primo enth (as it should be), it definitely proves more of a point to other users. This is important. We always tell people feel free to test if they doubt us. Been around for awhile and yet to have any real negative feedback.
I think BCGains is very opinionated much like me, just wants to test what he wants and share it if he feels like it or people ask, just a bro testing gear, now i know this can irritate promoters, but these unapproved sources are pure curiousity to some and many times you get a unicorn vial. Most dont even posting the results cause they arent approved let alone alot of people are dumb and will order them and take them just cause they tested good one time. BCgains told me approved sources were my best bet, it was Lev, BCgains and Harley that got me to order Pur, as for the unapproved unrepresented vial suggested with a few others that aren't connected, I ordered one that I had heard good things about in BC out of curiousity. I don't think he should get burned and flamed so hard for this. Pretty sure he's a Syn promoter but he was straight up with telling me canadapeds could be fucking with vials. That's transparent as fuck. He told me to order approved EVO brands, I ordered Pur. Then he gave me a few BC locals that he had some good experiences with none of which are affiliated with each other from what I could see. I personally heard of a brand suggested in my town so I ordered a bottle to test cause it gave me unicorn vibes, and if it's good that's that, shit it goes in the garbage. But I think BCGains is a solid guy, doesn't deserve to be flamed cause I got one bottle he knew I was gunna test before consuming.sharing private conversations that's smart, hey newsflash it's against TOS to share private conversations by mods, read TOS @BCGains
but no problem, you just exposed yourself as a conman!
And since you can't be a real man, you got a signature update enjoy being a growth guys rep as you are.
Any promoter that gets irritated by someone testing gear has something to hide. But thats just my thoughts. If more clients tested and posted it would only boost labs rep and make them more sought after
I agree, I mean I'm new here, but I just don't think he's a rep for growth guys, he never mentioned any of there products to me. Just Pur/Nordic then the unofficials once I said I was testing anything I bought, he had experience with said brand and I personally heard of it outside of the forum in BC so I ordered a vial. I think he's just opinionated and it comes off with a rep attitude but i dont think hes anymore then a rep for Syn, but surely if he is a rep for anyone else the strategy employed doesn't make sense or look to end in any benefit to him from my view which further leads me to believe he's just a dude testing new shit approved unapproved just looking for the best. I think he reps Syn and just is opinionated and doesn't mind testing off approved bottles and running them. I do the same out if curiousity and some small labs ive got wicked gear from but its rare, usually if you talk to them after testing they will want you to buy a wholesale, and ive done this and got a good amount of high end shit just from testing randos, some of these small fish offer better quality cause they hope it will get them noticed, it doesnt work without marketing so guys like me can sometimes scoop up cheap top notch vials, these brands rarely make it without marketing or engagement so to me its a deal, sometimes you lose but when you win you get ahead. I don't know if he advocates to share the info or not but usually when you do post and especially when no one expresses interest in any new unapproved brand that is tested and logged is going to face a fighting battle until enough people test it and log it themselves and that happening is a rare occurrence, so I usually don't post cause it will always be a battle promoter or just a guy doing a log until others get on board and it becomes approved if the brand even cares to be approved many dont. Some of these brands want to maintain a low profile.
I actually did run @Fusion Canada primo and sustanon recently.
The initial brand I wanted to run a test on out of curiousity.....I got met with so much back blast I just said fuck this.....I'll post results if they are shit, and anyone who draws conclusion that if I don't post they must be good well ! Better test it cause it could be some roid monkeys urine sample compounds for your muscle to absorb.....one test is nothing not worth ordering unless you test it yourself and your curiousity is worth the potential risk. If you order of one guys test results and log and pin it untested your dumb......easier to just get approved sources, less risk of money loss + getting shitty vial. Sometimes off brands get my curiousity, worst case I get a shit vial from them and good ones from approved sources, best case I get top notch approved sources + a decent off brand vial that's most likely a one off....sometimes you can get deals this way but the brands always disappear if they have zero marketing or representation. Just a small lab that possible makes good shit hoping it will catch with no marketing due to quality alone....never happens, these tests if they yield well sometimes you can get wholesale lots off them but it's rare. After that they linger around quality drops and they disappear. But as in any markets where there is risk there I'd reward. Probably go bust doing this right now with raw shortages isn't wise but who knows could be piles of old stock that can't move.
You don't know shit about what any of us know and what we know we don't go brag posting and name dropping. Nor, if we are involved with a lab, would we run our mouths about it on here to puff our chests out like you. However long you've been in this game, double that and that's how long I have, but you don't see me boasting do you.
As if having run a lab or knowing what AA/BA is or knowing that adding EO or even Guaiacol helps increase the load the oil can accept without crashing or even having been in a lab adds at all to the credibly of our advice regarding PED’s, health, longevity, peptides, and yes even source knowledge.
As per a chat with Vision in my HUGE book collection here I literally have one on making testosterone.
Bingo!
The difference is, I don’t go around calling Syn fake, they haven’t produced a janoshik test in a long time,
LMAO Lev get a load of this guy.
@LevButlerovWould you prefer some EVO thongs for your Mom? It will make your Reta pins for her easier, the glute will be right there waiting for your "legit" GG Reta because they're labels say 99% pure and they have one jano test to prove it.
I do too, that’s the entire point of a forum, open discussion, if you have experience lay it down, if you don’t you can keep quiet.
No one is asking you to stay here we're just getting a kick out of your insistence on how EVO doesn't have it figured, is all it is. You're comic relief here so far.
Ya, in a log you maintain or a review thread instead of poaching everyone else's threads dude.
You keep talking about people “drinking loads” but the only load drinker here is you chugging Growth Guys load every time their name pops up. @BCGains You got exposed so many times repping for them that at this point you should list “customer service for Growth Guys” on your profile.
Ya but his mom says it's good shit so I'm thinking of trying his load now (
Didn’t @BCGains say he gave growth guys gear to his wife his sister and his mom?
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