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Jayster3 said:
If im reading it right.

300mg 10ml. If I dose 150mg per week that mean this last me for 20 weeks? 1ml or 100 units depending on syringe type right?
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Negative on this. 300mg/ml means you're going to inject 0.5ml on any standard gear syringe to dose 150mg. So if you have 3ml syringes (3CC) you'll draw to 0.5ml. And negative, it doesn't depend on the syringe type, you want to dose 0.5ml no matter the syringe type (ie: 1ml, 3ml, 5ml syringe they all require 0.5ml as your dose)

Jayster3 said:
Sorry for back and forth. Just anxious.
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We know you're excitable and can get manic and that's okay brother we got you. We can handle all your questions no problem.
CypherOCE said:
I don’t say this to scare you but to prepare you for the worst case scenario.
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Don't get him going @CypherOCE :ROFLMAO: ... and he was running 140mg not 70mg so HCG is best for PCT and not on cycle (which 140mg would be albeit a minimal one) but I agree with what you're saying and your advice on fertility was an excellent anecdotal rundown! The average male produces about 50mg/week of T so 70mg is basically just a true TRT dose at it's base so adding HCG to this would be like just adding estrogen to an HPTA that is under as much stress as 140mg.
Jayster3 said:
Is there a specific brand for test c and pct?
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Anything off Umbrella or Domestic-Supply is good to go no need to nitpick on brand choice.
 
also what’s
HarleyGuy said:
Negative on this. 300mg/ml means you're going to inject 0.5ml on any standard gear syringe to dose 150mg. So if you have 3ml syringes (3CC) you'll draw to 0.5ml. And negative, it doesn't depend on the syringe type, you want to dose 0.5ml no matter the syringe type (ie: 1ml, 3ml, 5ml syringe they all require 0.5ml as your dose)


We know you're excitable and can get manic and that's okay brother we got you. We can handle all your questions no problem.

Don't get him going @CypherOCE :ROFLMAO: ... and he was running 140mg not 70mg so HCG is best for PCT and not on cycle (which 140mg would be albeit a minimal one) but I agree with what you're saying and your advice on fertility was an excellent anecdotal rundown! The average male produces about 50mg/week of T so 70mg is basically just a true TRT dose at it's base so adding HCG to this would be like just adding estrogen to an HPTA that is under as much stress as 140mg.

Anything off Umbrella or Domestic-Supply is good to go no need to nitpick on brand choice.
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got it! But still the math basically mean 1 vial would last me 20 weeks instead of 10 since we doing 1/2 a ml.

Also in theory if have syringe in units, then it would be 50 units correct?
 
Jayster3 said:
also what’s

got it! But still the math basically mean 1 vial would last me 20 weeks instead of 10 since we doing 1/2 a ml.

Also in theory if have syringe in units, then it would be 50 units correct?
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The part about 20 weeks was correct yes.

Don’t think about units is too subjective just use 0.5ml. It’s not in theory it’s that if you’re dosing using a 1ml slin pin or some mysterious non slin pin 1ml syringe then yes to the 50 is correct on a slin pin or 0.5ml on a 1ml syringe.
 
Jayster3 said:
For sure! When on test, I guess what is the feeling you know when hitting the gym?
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Sorry I’m not sure what you mean?

I don’t really feel anything that’s noticeable tbh if that’s what you’re asking? First time I guess I did but may have just been my body adjusting to having an adequate level of testosterone as opposed to having the bare minimum
 
Jayster3 said:
How long does test usually kick in to see the feeling.

Realistically, if with consistent workout how long until I can see some muscle gains?
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Up to a month
 
CypherOCE said:
Sorry I’m not sure what you mean?

I don’t really feel anything that’s noticeable tbh if that’s what you’re asking? First time I guess I did but may have just been my body adjusting to having an adequate level of testosterone as opposed to having the bare minimum
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Yea just knowing when the test kicks in and if you feeling anything
 
Jayster3 said:
What vitamins should I be taking

I currently have Throne: Am and PM multivitamin, vitamins D and testosterone support.

Let me know what’s good overall
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Here are my supps I take. Let me know if you have any questions about them. You won't need all of these but some are important. I've highlighted the important ones in red for you to consider.

Digest Gold 3 caps right before OMAD (probiotic after meals)
NAC 2000mg
Biotin 10mg (10,000 mcg) x 2 = 20mg biotin
Berberine 1500mg
Milk Thistle 3 pills providing 450mg of silymarin
Mutant multi vitamin x 1 (used to be x 2)
Creatine 20g **before OMAD separate shake now**
Collagen Peptides 20g **before OMAD separate shake now**
Psyllium husk **30g before OMAD separate shake now**
Ubiquinol 200mg
Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar with mother 4 tbsp (before OMAD - whatever a 'swig' is, probably 4 tbsp)
N2Guard (7 caps after meal # 2 stacked with HCGenerate in morning)
HCGenerate (5 caps in morning with proviron)
Taurine 9g **before OMAD separate shake now**
Biopiperine 10mg
Krill Oil 5000mg
ALA 1800mg
Niacin 500mg
Royal Jelly 2000mg
Bee Propolis 1000mg
Citrus Bergamot 2000mg
Baby Aspirin 81mg
Omega 3's (600 EPA/300 DHA) 4.5g
Vitamin C 3g
 
HarleyGuy said:
Here are my supps I take. Let me know if you have any questions about them. You won't need all of these but some are important. I've highlighted the important ones in red for you to consider.

Digest Gold 3 caps right before OMAD (probiotic after meals)
NAC 2000mg
Biotin 10mg (10,000 mcg) x 2 = 20mg biotin
Berberine 1500mg
Milk Thistle 3 pills providing 450mg of silymarin
Mutant multi vitamin x 1 (used to be x 2)
Creatine 20g **before OMAD separate shake now**
Collagen Peptides 20g **before OMAD separate shake now**
Psyllium husk **30g before OMAD separate shake now**
Ubiquinol 200mg
Organic Raw Apple Cider Vinegar with mother 4 tbsp (before OMAD - whatever a 'swig' is, probably 4 tbsp)
N2Guard (7 caps after meal # 2 stacked with HCGenerate in morning)
HCGenerate (5 caps in morning with proviron)
Taurine 9g **before OMAD separate shake now**
Biopiperine 10mg
Krill Oil 5000mg
ALA 1800mg
Niacin 500mg
Royal Jelly 2000mg
Bee Propolis 1000mg
Citrus Bergamot 2000mg
Baby Aspirin 81mg
Omega 3's (600 EPA/300 DHA) 4.5g
Vitamin C 3g
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Thank you!
 
Jayster3 said:
What about a good workout app that can track weights excercise reps and etc.
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Look up Caliber on your app store. It's for beginners etc. If not there's a many others.
 
Jayster3 said:
I self administered today. I was 1 day late because I was travel. After injecting and taking needle out, it bled but ultimately stopped that’s normal right?
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thats normal but you injecting correctly? @Jayster3
 
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CypherOCE said:
Still has the stigma but your basically replacing what your body would make as a healthy 20 year old at your absolute peak performance levels

AND if you’re actually deficient it’s an amazing thing to do for yourself
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After my own testing, I do have low test, which I'm baffled to maybe that's why I have such a hard time putting muscle growth now or even before. I dont see myself pushing that far in growing big muscle, but just a decent shape to make up for what I lost in my prime time.
 
Jayster3 said:
What's a great 4 day program?

Is there a rotation where 1 week is strength another week is like hypertrophy?
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You'd wanna search up a "powerbuilding" program. When I was more powerlifting focused I ran programs like these.

Usually involves heavy weight low rep compounds and higher rep isolations
 
Jayster3 said:
What you mean muscle group. I better be jacked. I CHOSE the exercises hehe
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like 4 exercises for legs and 4 for chest :D and getting jacked is not just training we need diet rest supps and more @Jayster3
 
Jayster3 said:
How else haha it’s one of my favorite days haha. How can I reduce it. I always want a wide look so I do like shoulder and lateral raise
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Maybe take a couple movements and add them to your 5th day on Saturday? Duno lol. Just seems like one really really hectic day when all the rest are really nicely balanced.

I guess you'll find out how you can manage when you run it. Maybe it will be totally cool and it's nothing to worry about. Just on paper that 1 day really really stands out above the rest haha
 
Jayster3 said:
Define switch up? Like one for hypertrophy and one for strength? For example, the main lifts as you can see i did 4 sets 6-8 range. Switching mean do 4 sets 10-12 range?
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get into the 20-25 rep range
Jayster3 said:
my first dose of test was 75mg on 12/11. Last week and this week I have my full dose of 140mg and 1000iu, dosage split 2x a week.. Am I suppose to feel any different? How long does it take for it to kick in?
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it takes 2-3 weeks at least
Jayster3 said:
Also to prevent muscle muscle catabolism, I guess 1 is making sure you eat enough protein, but when about when to eat meals? Like protein for breakfast or carbs?
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you need high protein high carbs, you need to start sharing foods with us and macros , get myfitnesspal @Jayster3
 
Jayster3 said:
So far I’ve been getting bruises on injection spot?

At the moment doesn’t look like anything but a couple of days it’s bruised looking. Like if it hit something. Not swollen or anything
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post a pic of it please @Jayster3
 
Jayster3 said:
Was hoping the test in system making me feel like Superman but damn it felt like a hiit workout.
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it will take time to get to superman level lol
 
Jayster3 said:
Also, I hate leg day... I did legs Monday night and now it's Wednesday and I'm still so sore... Sore meaning like the feeling after squat where you walk it's like miserable haha... Is this normal?
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Hell yeah that means you obliterated them! That’s what we love to hear 😈

It’s normal to be sore especially if you haven’t done them for a while, jist have to embrace the pain and keep moving as best you can as that will help you recover faster
 
Jayster3 said:
Also, I hate leg day... I did legs Monday night and now it's Wednesday and I'm still so sore... Sore meaning like the feeling after squat where you walk it's like miserable haha... Is this normal?
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If you hate leg day you did them right :P @Jayster3 its normal, get protein up and it will recover
Happy New year! :D
 
Jayster3 said:
These are my labs that are red for these past 6 weeks!
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Jayster3 said:
Everything looks normal?
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Not exactly normal tbh @Jayster3 RBC 5.93, hemoglobin 17.4, and hematocrit 54.6 are all high and this points to thick blood imo
Main issue is increased blood viscosity which raises blood pressure and clot risk.
I would add baby aspirin eod and donate bloods to see if helps.
 
LevButlerov said:
Not exactly normal tbh @Jayster3 RBC 5.93, hemoglobin 17.4, and hematocrit 54.6 are all high and this points to thick blood imo
Main issue is increased blood viscosity which raises blood pressure and clot risk.
I would add baby aspirin eod and donate bloods to see if helps.
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EOD everyday?

Donate blood is like what once a month?

Is this why I feel tired?
 
Jayster3 said:
EOD everyday?

Donate blood is like what once a month?

Is this why I feel tired?
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every other day yes
and you can try to donate blood now and we retest soon @Jayster3
sure you can feel tired because of this
 
Jayster3 said:
Im curious why is it high? That means I can never up my dose if I want more gains ;)
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It going to be many factors including diet, give it time to level out.
 
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
 
Jayster3 said:
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
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welcome back to the EVO family :D @Jayster3 good to see you back but when you go MIA for a few weeks makes me think something is wrong
your training still too low volume on reps imo
 
Jayster3 said:
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
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@Jayster3 very nice job donating bloods. That is a smart thing to do. I'm glad you had good results.
 
Jayster3 said:
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
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Bros, I give you a lot of credit. I like the leg day specifically: squats, Romanian deadlifts, and calf raises are the best. @Jayster3
 
Jayster3 said:
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
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You put together some of the best training I've ever seen in my life. @Jayster3
very simple layout on the split routine:
  • pull
  • legs
  • push
  • pull
I like it.
 
Jayster3 said:
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
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@Jayster3 the pulling split is my favorite. I like the single-arm pull-down and chest dumbbell rows and I like the cable rear as well.
 
Jayster3 said:
I'm back! Been out of it but going in to week 3 consistently working out

Week 1-2 180g P, 250 C, 70g F Both weeks I as about 233-232.

Due to high bloods, I went from 140mg to 100mg of test. Donated double reds 2 weeks ago. Got results on Saturday and everything is in range.

Week 3 180g P, 150C, 75F, Saturday and Sunday it's really hard for me to track macros as I go out, but Monday-Friday im on point

Still a bit early in terms of gear, but what is something I can look into? For something safe, I think Primo can get me somewhere?

Current Workout is this

4x Cardio Days
PUSH
Cable incline Flyes 15,12,10
Dumbbell Lateral Raise 3x15
Incline Dumbbell Press 15,12,10
Cable Lateral Raise 3x12
Dumbbell Neutral 2x10
Cable Rope Overhead 3x12
Cable Kick Back 3x12

PULL
Single Arm pull down 15,12,10
Cable Wide Row 2x12
Close Grip Pulldown 12,10
Rear Delt Flyes 3x12
Single Arm Preacher 3x12
Hammer Curl 3x12

Leg
Squat 12,10,8
Glutenator 15,12,10
DB RDL 3x12
DB Calf Raise 1x failure
Weighted Cable Rope Crunch 3x15

Push
Incline DB Press 12,10
Seated Should DB Press 12
Seated Front Raise 3x15
Incline Low to High 15,12,12
DB Lateral Raise 15,12,10
Cable Rope Overhead extension 15,12,10
Cable Kick Back 3x15

Pull
Single Arm pulldown 15,12,10
Chest Sup DB Row 15,12,10
Overhand Pull down SUPER Underhand 15,12,10
Close Grip Seated Rows 15,12,10
Cable Rear 3x15
Seated Behind cable Curl 3x15
Hammer Curl 3x15
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Love to see the different split routines that you're doing. I like the pushing routine and I like how you finish it off with some cable kickbacks. @Jayster3
 
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