Body cant tolerate prov or mast!?

[ChiraqThot]

I need help figuring out why I get low E2 symptoms almost immediately when I try to add mast or proviron to a cycle.

Currently I’m on test cyp 100 mg ED (700 mg/week) and hCG 175 IU M/W/F. This morning I added 25 mg mast prop just to test the waters. Within a few hours I noticed achy knees/elbows and a flatter mood. Not a full estrogen crash, but enough that I’m worried if I keep pinning mast that’s what will happen.

I few months ago while on 300 mg test, I tried adding proviron at 12.5 mg, 6.25 mg, and 3 mg. Every single dose gave me low E2 symptoms. Achy joints, pissing all the time, bad sleep, irritable, ed and just feeling like shit.

I don’t have recent bloodwork at the moment, but I do know my SHBG is usually around 20. So I guess my question is this some kind of estrogen-signaling issue at the receptor ? And is there any way around it?

 

[toddthelineman]

I think you just have to get bloodwork if possible. I can’t imagine such small changes having such profound effects, but no one can know without data

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Bloodwork
Bloodwork
Bloodwork

 

[LevButlerov]

I need help figuring out why I get low E2 symptoms almost immediately when I try to add mast or proviron to a cycle.

Currently I’m on test cyp 100 mg ED (700 mg/week) and hCG 175 IU M/W/F. This morning I added 25 mg mast prop just to test the waters. Within a few hours I noticed achy knees/elbows and a flatter mood. Not a full estrogen crash, but enough that I’m worried if I keep pinning mast that’s what will happen.

I few months ago while on 300 mg test, I tried adding proviron at 12.5 mg, 6.25 mg, and 3 mg. Every single dose gave me low E2 symptoms. Achy joints, pissing all the time, bad sleep, irritable, ed and just feeling like shit.

I don’t have recent bloodwork at the moment, but I do know my SHBG is usually around 20. So I guess my question is this some kind of estrogen-signaling issue at the receptor ? And is there any way around it?

welcome to the EVO family @ChiraqThot We can’t answer this properly without a log because right now we only see doses, not your training load, calories, sleep, stress, body fat.
Post a full cycle log with daily food, bodyweight, sleep, lifts, and sides so the EVO family can see patterns instead of guessing from symptoms alone. We will of course need to see your past bloods and new ones. 15min of your time and it will change your life!

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com

 

[stevesmi]

I need help figuring out why I get low E2 symptoms almost immediately when I try to add mast or proviron to a cycle.

Currently I’m on test cyp 100 mg ED (700 mg/week) and hCG 175 IU M/W/F. This morning I added 25 mg mast prop just to test the waters. Within a few hours I noticed achy knees/elbows and a flatter mood. Not a full estrogen crash, but enough that I’m worried if I keep pinning mast that’s what will happen.

I few months ago while on 300 mg test, I tried adding proviron at 12.5 mg, 6.25 mg, and 3 mg. Every single dose gave me low E2 symptoms. Achy joints, pissing all the time, bad sleep, irritable, ed and just feeling like shit.

I don’t have recent bloodwork at the moment, but I do know my SHBG is usually around 20. So I guess my question is this some kind of estrogen-signaling issue at the receptor ? And is there any way around it?

I mean at the end of the day it is what it is man. If you don't react well to a certain steroid then just don't use it.

 

[ceo]

I need help figuring out why I get low E2 symptoms almost immediately when I try to add mast or proviron to a cycle.

Currently I’m on test cyp 100 mg ED (700 mg/week) and hCG 175 IU M/W/F. This morning I added 25 mg mast prop just to test the waters. Within a few hours I noticed achy knees/elbows and a flatter mood. Not a full estrogen crash, but enough that I’m worried if I keep pinning mast that’s what will happen.

I few months ago while on 300 mg test, I tried adding proviron at 12.5 mg, 6.25 mg, and 3 mg. Every single dose gave me low E2 symptoms. Achy joints, pissing all the time, bad sleep, irritable, ed and just feeling like shit.

I don’t have recent bloodwork at the moment, but I do know my SHBG is usually around 20. So I guess my question is this some kind of estrogen-signaling issue at the receptor ? And is there any way around it?

Bro, some people don't react well to DHTs. Nothing to be ashamed of. I got a buddy of mine. When he takes them he sheds all his head hair so fast.

 

[Ulter]

I need help figuring out why I get low E2 symptoms almost immediately when I try to add mast or proviron to a cycle.

Currently I’m on test cyp 100 mg ED (700 mg/week) and hCG 175 IU M/W/F. This morning I added 25 mg mast prop just to test the waters. Within a few hours I noticed achy knees/elbows and a flatter mood. Not a full estrogen crash, but enough that I’m worried if I keep pinning mast that’s what will happen.

I few months ago while on 300 mg test, I tried adding proviron at 12.5 mg, 6.25 mg, and 3 mg. Every single dose gave me low E2 symptoms. Achy joints, pissing all the time, bad sleep, irritable, ed and just feeling like shit.

I don’t have recent bloodwork at the moment, but I do know my SHBG is usually around 20. So I guess my question is this some kind of estrogen-signaling issue at the receptor ? And is there any way around it?

Seems like you're very sensitive to this sort of thing. That's okay. You have to learn your body and you have to accept it.

 

[Mobster]

We have zero actual stats etc info about you to work with

 

[ballin2504]

The guys are right. Bloodwork will tell all.

 

[ROIDDERS]

At the end of the day, whatever your body likes, you should run with that. Your body also will change over time.

 

[2Thick]

I need help figuring out why I get low E2 symptoms almost immediately when I try to add mast or proviron to a cycle.

Currently I’m on test cyp 100 mg ED (700 mg/week) and hCG 175 IU M/W/F. This morning I added 25 mg mast prop just to test the waters. Within a few hours I noticed achy knees/elbows and a flatter mood. Not a full estrogen crash, but enough that I’m worried if I keep pinning mast that’s what will happen.

I few months ago while on 300 mg test, I tried adding proviron at 12.5 mg, 6.25 mg, and 3 mg. Every single dose gave me low E2 symptoms. Achy joints, pissing all the time, bad sleep, irritable, ed and just feeling like shit.

I don’t have recent bloodwork at the moment, but I do know my SHBG is usually around 20. So I guess my question is this some kind of estrogen-signaling issue at the receptor ? And is there any way around it?

You know your body more than anybody. It's a good idea that you'll have different steroids that you like and different steroids that you don't.

 

[jerseyshoremuscles]

Without doing blood work, you are guessing.
It is tough to distinguish between estrogen and prolactin issues.

 

[ChiraqThot]

Thanks guys. I’m going to give the mast P a few more days to see if things settle and if they don’t I’ll just drop it.

I really only added the mast to see if I could tolerate it with a higher test dose. Sadly, it looks like I can’t

Should I do a log or nah?

 

[ChiraqThot]

I can also grab a full blood panel this weekend!

 

[HarleyGuy]

Should I do a log or nah?

100% bro dive into this and welcome to the EVO family. Follow @LevButlerov's how-to guide and throw one up for us!

 

[HarleyGuy]

I can also grab a full blood panel this weekend!

Even better! We have a megathread on what bloodwork to get on cycle here: https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...what-labs-to-test-on-steroids-and-trt.107781/

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks guys. I’m going to give the mast P a few more days to see if things settle and if they don’t I’ll just drop it.

I really only added the mast to see if I could tolerate it with a higher test dose. Sadly, it looks like I can’t

Should I do a log or nah?

I can also grab a full blood panel this weekend!

@ChiraqThot did you see my post? you need to get the log up because a lot of guess work here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/body-cant-tolerate-prov-or-mast.108888/post-1957324

welcome to the EVO family @ChiraqThot We can’t answer this properly without a log because right now we only see doses, not your training load, calories, sleep, stress, body fat.
Post a full cycle log with daily food, bodyweight, sleep, lifts, and sides so the EVO family can see patterns instead of guessing from symptoms alone. We will of course need to see your past bloods and new ones. 15min of your time and it will change your life!

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
• We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
• Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

P.S. are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should; this podcast is about steroids, sarms, peptides, and bodybuilding:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

P.P.S. download our eBooks and learn more:
https://irongorillas.com