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Veteran Thread The Perfect Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) - EXPLAINED

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There are a lot of guys who are confused about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and they are confused for the right reason. If you don't do your PCT right, you'll NEVER recover your natural testosterone levels and you'll be disabled for life. That's right, test levels don't just magically start back up. In fact, I've had numerous clients who had to run a 6 months PCT because they messed up their original post cycle. PCT is VERY serious and, if done wrong, you can literally hurt yourself; imagine, hormonal imbalances, high estrogen levels and low-testosterone. It's a recipe for disaster.

You're here on evo, so you want help right? You should start by reading and following the Perfect PCT, it's the sure way 200% to recover from any cycle.

Read the Perfect PCT article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
 
The traditional PCT is outdated and unpredictable at best. There's so much out there that wasn't available to us before like natty T boosters that actually work and SARMS that allow you to keep on cycle gains without hindering recovery. HCGenerate and Ostarine are staples in my PCT, everything else comes second
 
I agree with ya J. Defintely gotta throw in some natty T-boosters like HCGenerate or unleashed/post cycle along with the SERMs. Then some ostarine and cardarine to solidify gains and guard against fat gains.
I like the PCT plan laid out here. It's perfect if you add in a natty t-booster. Then after pct use bridge (n2bm)
 
Definitely a great post cycle setup. I see too many guys trying to do SERMS only for PCT these days, which is an outdated and ineffective way to recover
 
wolfpackalpha said:
There are a lot of guys who are confused about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and they are confused for the right reason. If you don't do your PCT right, you'll NEVER recover your natural testosterone levels and you'll be disabled for life. That's right, test levels don't just magically start back up. In fact, I've had numerous clients who had to run a 6 months PCT because they messed up their original post cycle. PCT is VERY serious and, if done wrong, you can literally hurt yourself; imagine, hormonal imbalances, high estrogen levels and low-testosterone. It's a recipe for disaster.

You're here on evo, so you want help right? You should start by reading and following the Perfect PCT, it's the sure way 200% to recover from any cycle.

Read the Perfect PCT article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Great read WPA! You bring clarity to a subject/topic that at times has varying opinions and thoughts regarding the ideal PCT. Been looking at a couple of your cycles to create the most optimum for myself. Im still in the vetting process amassing a certain number of posts before i can pm you, so hopefully soon I can send it your way for your perusal.
 
One question. I have been doing this for the past week and each day I have gotten more and more acne all over my arms back chest and shoulders. Triple as much as I had on cycle. Can you explain this?
 
Illphil228 said:
One question. I have been doing this for the past week and each day I have gotten more and more acne all over my arms back chest and shoulders. Triple as much as I had on cycle. Can you explain this?
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This sounds like a hormonal issue, which is very common during PCT. Your hormones are out of range due to the changes between cycle->PCT. Give it a few weeks, it will calm down.

Meanwhile, please use anti-acne soap, cream and proper face cleanses and moisturizers.
 
Sandman82nd said:
Great read WPA! You bring clarity to a subject/topic that at times has varying opinions and thoughts regarding the ideal PCT. Been looking at a couple of your cycles to create the most optimum for myself. Im still in the vetting process amassing a certain number of posts before i can pm you, so hopefully soon I can send it your way for your perusal.
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I hope this article helped you, and if you have further questions feel free to post them on the forum.
 
This is the pct to live by.. Take advantage this info was available like this year's ago
 
jbranken said:
The traditional PCT is outdated and unpredictable at best. There's so much out there that wasn't available to us before like natty T boosters that actually work and SARMS that allow you to keep on cycle gains without hindering recovery. HCGenerate and Ostarine are staples in my PCT, everything else comes second
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So true, you can't go wrong with the perfect pct posted by pack. HCGenerate and AG research chems should def be a part of every PCT. Sarms are very beneficial as well.
 
ive been advising and using a test booster in PCT for awhile now.Regardless if a serm and ai is used.I just feel better with that method
 
Fantastic outline and everything you need. I know it works for me and the test booster is amazing.
 
Good read! I am trying to put together a "simple" 1st cycle/pct that I would like to start after the next few months. Have alot of reading to do here!
 
jbranken said:
The traditional PCT is outdated and unpredictable at best. There's so much out there that wasn't available to us before like natty T boosters that actually work and SARMS that allow you to keep on cycle gains without hindering recovery. HCGenerate and Ostarine are staples in my PCT, everything else comes second
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I thought Ost was for bulking and you would need HCG to balance it as a PCT...? NO...?
 
Great subject. I have done only one cycle of M-Sten (I am beginner user) and I didn't do a very good research about PCT. I was a mess for a few days. This forum definitely give me some perspective. Thanks
 
Good article. I'm in the research and learning stage before I try anything, and boy do I have a lot to learn!
 
Thanks for the info. You guys think HCGenerate and N2Guard would be sufficient recovery for a short 8wk cycle of Dbol @ 30mg/day?
 
New to the site and learning, but awesome write up, I'm about to start a cycle and this is something I will definitely be doing for a pct!
 
Mattdogg said:
Thanks for the info. You guys think HCGenerate and N2Guard would be sufficient recovery for a short 8wk cycle of Dbol @ 30mg/day?
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no bro, you need a FULL pct for a dbol cycle.....dbol will completely shut you down...
 
I think the biggest mistake people make is that they don't let the esters clear before starting you have to stop deca at least 6 weeks before pct and test 2 weeks before if the body isn't to its natural level pct will be useless .. bloods are ideal at the end of a cycle but a hassle year round.
 
I have a question I'm running tren for the first time, and wondering what's a good pct to take to help keep the most gains. I'm running it with suts250 and test e? Appreciate the advice in advance!
 
I have used a 100/100/50/50 for Clom in my PCT, am I wasting it?? With most research I have done I have read anything from 50 to 150 for first week with a step down, never had an issue with PCT but I'm wondering if I'm wasting my goods at that dosage?
 
Ryno said:
I have used a 100/100/50/50 for Clom in my PCT, am I wasting it?? With most research I have done I have read anything from 50 to 150 for first week with a step down, never had an issue with PCT but I'm wondering if I'm wasting my goods at that dosage?
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Uhmm personally me ur clomid dosage is the same as mine and nolva I run 40402020
 
gearhead said:
no bro, you need a FULL pct for a dbol cycle.....dbol will completely shut you down...
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Gear head bro what pct would u recomend for 4 week kick start dbol 40mg for 4 weeks and 10 week test e just wondering thanks
 
After reading all about peptides.com they believe if you never completely stop running an aas cycle but at end of full 10-12 week protocol cruis w/min. test and pepes mixed in,all during this cycle I have been running pepes,but now only frag and cjc1295w/dac 3x daily and peg on off days,along w/my aas cycle,but I have supplemented with anastrazol and vita b6 at 500mg daily of b6 for prolactin from the tren ace,with no sides yet,and in 8th week,and I am getting a bottle of liquid proviron 50 ml bottle to post cycle on as well,do you think I need nova or colomid,even though I will cruise on low test?
 
can anyone tell me the proper products to use for pct like clomad or nolvadex not sure been out of the game for a minute
 
mnmsnowbeast said:
After reading all about peptides.com they believe if you never completely stop running an aas cycle but at end of full 10-12 week protocol cruis w/min. test and pepes mixed in,all during this cycle I have been running pepes,but now only frag and cjc1295w/dac 3x daily and peg on off days,along w/my aas cycle,but I have supplemented with anastrazol and vita b6 at 500mg daily of b6 for prolactin from the tren ace,with no sides yet,and in 8th week,and I am getting a bottle of liquid proviron 50 ml bottle to post cycle on as well,do you think I need nova or colomid,even though I will cruise on low test?
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if you are cruising or on trt, pct is not required... i would recommend running hcgenerate or hcgenerate es intervals at certain points of your cruise though... 8-12 weeks and then the same amount of time off etc... www.n2bm.com
 
shamrockbear1 said:
I think the biggest mistake people make is that they don't let the esters clear before starting you have to stop deca at least 6 weeks before pct and test 2 weeks before if the body isn't to its natural level pct will be useless .. bloods are ideal at the end of a cycle but a hassle year round.
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I just made the mistake of starting 2 weeks after my decade cycle, finished pct, got labs done @ privatemdlabs, got bloods back the next day. Estradios was way high but my test was good. So starting pct over.
 
So I just started on test last month going on my 3rd dose, taking it ever 2 weeks. Actually I just signed up today I'm amazed how much information that I didn't know, so if anyone could help out greatly appreciated. I just bought me some N2 Guard else I should get it on Friday I was ready on the web site that it is good to take well doing the cycle but I don't no how much I should take a day?
 
Shit I for got about my other questions, but I'm almost done with my first bottle of test should I start on the next bottle or do I have to wait?
 
Iron mike said:
So I just started on test last month going on my 3rd dose, taking it ever 2 weeks. Actually I just signed up today I'm amazed how much information that I didn't know, so if anyone could help out greatly appreciated. I just bought me some N2 Guard else I should get it on Friday I was ready on the web site that it is good to take well doing the cycle but I don't no how much I should take a day?
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bro, im lost on your question here?? what exactly do you need help with?? do you even know what your doing because its quite concerning the way you are coming across here? are you asking how to run your cycle, pct, etc...? what exactly are your stats? age/height/weight/body fat? what's your cycle comprised of and what are you planning for pct? do you have supports, ancillaries, etc...??
 
Bam!!! You are getting Dylan's tough love Iron Mike. You will get a lot of feedback on this forum as long as you provide the proper information and ask specific questions. EVO is great, but be prepare for tough feedback.
 
Hey bro I'm height 5'7 weight 200 I don't know my body fat yet, but as you see I'm new to the game. Yes how do I run my cycle,pct etc?
 
dylangemelli said:
bro, im lost on your question here?? what exactly do you need help with?? do you even know what your doing because its quite concerning the way you are coming across here? are you asking how to run your cycle, pct, etc...? what exactly are your stats? age/height/weight/body fat? what's your cycle comprised of and what are you planning for pct? do you have supports, ancillaries, etc...??
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Well as you can see I'm new to the game but my weight 200/height 5'7 my body fat idk yet.How to run a cycle and when to do a pct also?
 
Iron mike said:
Need so help thanks dylangemelli so I'm going to ready on the link on pct but now how do I do my cycles and how long can I be on test or what's the recommended? I been taking test for the first time and doing the shots every 2 weeks I know some ppl do them every other week, and I'm on my six week to.I'm going to do blood work 2morr also to see where I'm at because I really haven't felt the kick yet.i was wondering what do you recommend to take with it to drop weight? My weight is 200/5'7/30 yrs old don't know my body fat yet, and I'm trying to lean my way around the web site also.
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wolfpackalpha said:
There are a lot of guys who are confused about Post Cycle Therapy (PCT) and they are confused for the right reason. If you don't do your PCT right, you'll NEVER recover your natural testosterone levels and you'll be disabled for life. That's right, test levels don't just magically start back up. In fact, I've had numerous clients who had to run a 6 months PCT because they messed up their original post cycle. PCT is VERY serious and, if done wrong, you can literally hurt yourself; imagine, hormonal imbalances, high estrogen levels and low-testosterone. It's a recipe for disaster.

You're here on evo, so you want help right? You should start by reading and following the Perfect PCT, it's the sure way 200% to recover from any cycle.

Read the Perfect PCT article here: http://www.evolutionary.org/the-perfect-post-cycle-therapy-pct/
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Where is states week 1-2 is that the 2 weeks wait time of the compound to clear after last injection???? Or is it starting after the 2 weeks down time?


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gh0$t3ml0c said:
Where is states week 1-2 is that the 2 weeks wait time of the compound to clear after last injection???? Or is it starting after the 2 weeks down time?


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that's a pct kickstart... this is the period when your esters are clearing and your waiting to begin pct... this is your transition into pct...
 
dylangemelli said:
that's a pct kickstart... this is the period when your esters are clearing and your waiting to begin pct... this is your transition into pct...
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Thank you! I wanted to clarify that because I have never come across that in my googling. Pretty ingenious one of them things where you faceplam your self for not thinking about it.


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Just wanna say thanks to wolfpack and the rest of you guys for the info I'm new here and this is some solid information on pct but do you guys agree with adding in hcg on top of a serm, sarm, and natty test booster?
 
Berserker said:
PCT is expensive, almost as expensive as the gear itself.
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Yea and your point?? Pct is the most important part of your cycle... If you dont recover then how do you expect to keep gains? How do you expect to be fully functional? How can you make future gains? How can you ensure health and longevity?? Do i need to continue??
 
Not dissing it. Just stating. Obviously it's expensive for a reason. Most people believe once their done injecting the steroids, the cycle is done. The cycle actually ends once you have fully recovered from the pct.
 
Question: after and anavar only 11 week cycle when do i start clomid? My pct will be clomid hc generate es and formastanzol N2 guard. If anyone can chime in i would appreciate it. I have all 4 already but dont know how to use them correctly....
 
I'm also a little confused about the difference between with DAC and with no DAC. Tapatalk is not providing proper results to my searches either
 
yeh, thnx for the pct info I finally understand hitting it early as the esters are clearing going into the pct, thnx
 
Okay,


I have some questions regarding the "perfect" pct...

I started my test e cycle last week. I possibly might add in some masteron during week 6 ...I have prepared the perfect PCT moto when my cycle is over....


My questions I have, are the follow:

1) the pct says week one and two (hcgenerate and Cardarine) ... Do you begin this two weeks after your left TEST injection? Or immediately after your last injection?
Wouldn't you start your serms , why wait 2 weeks into pct?

Also, HCGENERATE...can you swap it with test stack? Wouldn't this be better????? Also, I read a moderator on here mention on another forum/post that you can run Test stack 17 by itself with out a serm for pct... is this true??? He also said that you shouldn't run test stack 17 with serms?


Is this true??


Also, why stop running the hcgenerate/and or test booster 2 weeks into pct? Wouldn't it be beneficial to run it throughout the entire PCT for optimal results?


Can someone please chime in:


TY
 
I was told the HCG shots (only thing ive used besides my clomid and nolva) that the drug can only trick the body for so long before it starts working against you and that 4 weeks max is the longest you can use it. Is this true?
 
Iwillrunyoudown said:
I was told the HCG shots (only thing ive used besides my clomid and nolva) that the drug can only trick the body for so long before it starts working against you and that 4 weeks max is the longest you can use it. Is this true?
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bro there is good evidence hcg is dangerous shit...it's an extract of pregnant female urine you're injecting, i never touch it anymore bro....

http://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/hcg-dangerous!-9326.html
http://www.evolutionary.org/hcg-dangers-exposed/
 
Damn it. Good thing I mentioned something and got corrected on that. I see how many people have stopped useing it and why. So it was basically doing what I was trying to prevant. After reading all that ill pass on useing it. Ive never had a problem recovering when i didnt use it. So thats out the window for a PCT drug now.
 
Iwillrunyoudown said:
Damn it. Good thing I mentioned something and got corrected on that. I see how many people have stopped useing it and why. So it was basically doing what I was trying to prevant. After reading all that ill pass on useing it. Ive never had a problem recovering when i didnt use it. So thats out the window for a PCT drug now.
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bro try using hcgenerate instead of the poison hcg: http://www.evolutionary.org/HCGenerate
 
Hi,
I'am planing to start 10 weeks cycle:

Primobolan depot - 200 mg (EW)
T.Propionate - 100 mg (EOD)
Winstrol depot - 100 mg (EOD) start on 5 week
Anavar - 40 -50mg (ED) start on 5 week

My question is what i need for PCT how much and when to start?

Thank you!!!
 
great read again...thanks Wolf...I know Stevesmi had it somewhere where or how to get bloods done...but after seeing some jerry springer type stuff going on about bloodwork proving the quality of a lab in another forum post...can yall point me in the right direction for how the bloodwork is CORRECTLY supposed to be done...(in laymans english)so that when I DO start posting my experiences I dont get hit wit a chair...and the focus of my post doesn't get lost....
 
and yes i have already been doing my OWN Homework on the subject of bloodwork...but I would still like to get the idea of how yall do it and the steps yall like to see to make for a decent review when i post
 
how often would you do bloods during...say its going to be a test only cycle a short 8 weeker...should a person consider from the time of first pin into that week? anyway im just babbling i dont feel like getting into no counter productive convo because im trying to do my research before hand and get info from some experienced people...instead of random collections of crap from cruising the net...
 
jimiijamm said:
how often would you do bloods during...say its going to be a test only cycle a short 8 weeker...should a person consider from the time of first pin into that week? anyway im just babbling i dont feel like getting into no counter productive convo because im trying to do my research before hand and get info from some experienced people...instead of random collections of crap from cruising the net...
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bro i would do bloods before PCT and after (2-3 weeks).....
 
Hey anyone here has tried Dr.Scally's protocol here as well as this suggested PCT? I was planning on running his protocol for my pct but the suggestions the OP posted sure look interesting. I was reading a post by Dr.Scally himself and he strongly advised against using SARMS in PCT calling it simply stupid. He didn't provide much reasoning though, Can anyone illuminate me on this?

PS guys on this forum are way more polite than that certain other forum I was reading. respect!
 
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