Approved Log Full Body Recomp 2025-2026 Journal

PurposeBuilt · Aug 18, 2025

Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38
Height: 6’1”
Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})
Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance
Cycle history:
- TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)
- GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.
- No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg
Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg
Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)
Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly
1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)
Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)
Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g
Fish oil 1200mg
multi
magnesium glycinate 210 mg
L-citrulline 1500mg
k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months
Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary
Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year
Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner
Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:
- Total Test: 921 ng/dL
- Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL
- Hematocrit: 46.3%
- PSA: 1.1 (normal)
- A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)
Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk
Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.
AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)
L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day
Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk
Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk
AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day
L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day
Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk
Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk
SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)
MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk
AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day
L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day
Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk
Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly
MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity
AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day
L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day
Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)
OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.

LevButlerov · Aug 18, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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Welcome to the EVO family

@PurposeBuilt happy to have you share. And we can help you really get to your goals. EVO family is a no judgement zone, we will support you to your goals.

But before we go deep into cycles, lets talk more reality on the ground of what we need to do.

have you done any fasting? IF or any other so far?

PurposeBuilt said:
Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

How long have you been in tirzepatide? and TRT total weeks?

PurposeBuilt said:
Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, diet and fasting is going to be KEY here
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

PurposeBuilt said:
Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

and are you listening to our podcast?
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

Masonic Bodybuilder · Aug 18, 2025

Looking forward to following along. You got this brother!

PurposeBuilt · Aug 18, 2025

LevButlerov said:
Welcome to the EVO family @PurposeBuilt happy to have you share. And we can help you really get to your goals. EVO family is a no judgement zone, we will support you to your goals.

But before we go deep into cycles, lets talk more reality on the ground of what we need to do.

have you done any fasting? IF or any other so far?

How long have you been in tirzepatide? and TRT total weeks?

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, diet and fasting is going to be KEY here
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

and are you listening to our podcast?
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

I have done fasting several times over the years. Before zepbound i fasted about 14 hours after dinner until lunch the next day. I have kind of messed that up once on zepbound because i have a fairlife protein shake after my initial mile walk every morning. I used to have it before the walk or during, but i have heard about fasted cardio so have now been doing it right after. I had not even thought about trying to fast again. Especially when everyone talks about getting all these small spikes of protein all day.

Tirz and TRT

I have been on tirzepitide for about 3months and 3 weeks. I lost most of the 50 pounds in the first three months. I have been on TRT for 1 month, and that made me gain like 5 pounds in a weekend and i have been slowly loosing it again. So I think that is just fluid ect from my body adapting. But it is still a little disheartening.

Diet- Ill be more specific in the future.
I have one fairlife shake a day for breakfast.
I eat one protein bar for a snack at bend time with about 1cup of milk.
For dinner i have a 1 or 1 1/1 chicken thighs and with sugar free bbq sauce tom dip. And 1/3 sweet potato
I have a home made turkey and cheese sandwich.
My biggest vice is my rockstar punched that i save for just before my workout.

Thanks to TIrz I eat that every weekday pretty consistantly. The weekend is a little harder but i try to stay there.
I do have macrofactor and log about 70% of my food so i need to dial that in.
It says i have 1626 calories to keep to my goal 160 P, 54 F, 124 C, I do go over sometimes but i don't think by much. Which for how much i weight should still have me loosing weight.
Supplments
I take one fiber pill from meta mucil
i multi for him from nature made

Cardio
is 1.4 miles rucking with 25lbs every morning about 6:30am, i am slowly increasing the distance as i was told that is easier on my joints then still increasing the weight.

Current Workout Routine
Workout A is MON, THUR
Workout B is TUES, FRI
GPP on SAT - I do kettlebell, club bell, and will be adding sand bag

Workout A – Push + Hinge

A1: DB Bench – 3×6–10
A2: 1-Arm DB Row – 3×8–12/side
B1: RDL (DB/KB/SB) – 3×6–10
B2: Box/Bench Goblet Squat – 3×8–12
Finisher: Farmer Carry – 2–3×40–60 m (optional plank 1×30–45s)

Workout B – Press + Legs + Lats + Arms

A1: Seated DB OHP – 3×6–10
A2: DB Pullover – 3×10–15
B1: Step-ups – 3×8–12/side
B2: Hip Thrust or Floor Bridge – 3×10–15
Accessory 1: Ham Curl – 2–3×12–15 or Lateral Raise – 2×12–20
Accessory 2: Bicep Curl – 2–3×8–12
Finisher: Suitcase Carry – 2 trips/side × 30–50 m

stevesmi · Aug 18, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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no roasting here man. there are tons of guys who have entered this place and transformed. you can check out their logs too. retatrutide would be my choice for you. its the most modern glp1. @PurposeBuilt

get back with the fasting and stay away from those nasty liquid calorie drinks like protein shakes. stick to water man. if you need something different you can do raw coconut water.

Mobster · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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You are.

Diet and cardio is No1 and No2 here

R.AP · Aug 19, 2025

Mate you have come to the PERFECT place. The EVO community is fantastic. There's a lot of knowledge here, and most will be happy to help. Feel free to reach out. Very excited for your journey

R.AP · Aug 19, 2025

stevesmi said:
no roasting here man. there are tons of guys who have entered this place and transformed. you can check out their logs too. retatrutide would be my choice for you. its the most modern glp1. @PurposeBuilt

get back with the fasting and stay away from those nasty liquid calorie drinks like protein shakes. stick to water man. if you need something different you can do raw coconut water.

I'll back Steve on the reta - a lot of my clients and I have had a really positive experience with it.

Pigsy · Aug 19, 2025

Welcome brother to the EVO. Joining and logging my journey help with my transformation

LevButlerov · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I have done fasting several times over the years. Before zepbound i fasted about 14 hours after dinner until lunch the next day. I have kind of messed that up once on zepbound because i have a fairlife protein shake after my initial mile walk every morning. I used to have it before the walk or during, but i have heard about fasted cardio so have now been doing it right after. I had not even thought about trying to fast again. Especially when everyone talks about getting all these small spikes of protein all day.

You should try 24 hour fast OMAD 1 meal a day and start doing 16/8 on the other days. @PurposeBuilt

PurposeBuilt said:
Diet- Ill be more specific in the future.
I have one fairlife shake a day for breakfast.
I eat one protein bar for a snack at bend time with about 1cup of milk.
For dinner i have a 1 or 1 1/1 chicken thighs and with sugar free bbq sauce tom dip. And 1/3 sweet potato
I have a home made turkey and cheese sandwich.
My biggest vice is my rockstar punched that i save for just before my workout.

Rockstar punched? you mean with sugar?

PurposeBuilt said:
I do have macrofactor and log about 70% of my food so i need to dial that in.
It says i have 1626 calories to keep to my goal 160 P, 54 F, 124 C, I do go over sometimes but i don't think by much. Which for how much i weight should still have me loosing weight.

what is it showing now? in terms of macros and calories please share

PurposeBuilt said:
Supplments
I take one fiber pill from meta mucil
i multi for him from nature made

you need 15-20 grams of psyllium husk ed you need actual powder not pills.
And you need to get probiotics and digestive enzymes.

PurposeBuilt said:
Workout A – Push + Hinge

A1: DB Bench – 3×6–10

A2: 1-Arm DB Row – 3×8–12/side

B1: RDL (DB/KB/SB) – 3×6–10

B2: Box/Bench Goblet Squat – 3×8–12

Finisher: Farmer Carry – 2–3×40–60 m (optional plank 1×30–45s)

Workout B – Press + Legs + Lats + Arms

A1: Seated DB OHP – 3×6–10

A2: DB Pullover – 3×10–15

B1: Step-ups – 3×8–12/side

B2: Hip Thrust or Floor Bridge – 3×10–15

Accessory 1: Ham Curl – 2–3×12–15 or Lateral Raise – 2×12–20

Accessory 2: Bicep Curl – 2–3×8–12

Finisher: Suitcase Carry – 2 trips/side × 30–50 m

cardio pre post training?

BodyMonster34 · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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bro i don't care what nobody says you look GOOD! got some good size on your frame. @PurposeBuilt i say bulk up more

PurposeBuilt · Aug 19, 2025

LevButlerov said:
You should try 24 hour fast OMAD 1 meal a day and start doing 16/8 on the other days. @PurposeBuilt

Rockstar punched? you mean with sugar?

what is it showing now? in terms of macros and calories please share

you need 15-20 grams of psyllium husk ed you need actual powder not pills.
And you need to get probiotics and digestive enzymes.

cardio pre post training?

FASTING
I will start 16/8 today.

ROCKSTAR
And yes unfortunately i mean with sugar. I had a good reason i thought originally. I am drinking it just before workout kind of like a cheap pre workout. It wouls give me some caffien and carbs before working out. I know it is brutal on my macros, i have already been talking my self into giving it up. It is probably the last bad thing that i am holding on to.

MACROFACTOR
BEFORE: 1626 calories 160 P, 54 F, 124 C,
The numbers i gave are what it has as my daily goal. I told it that i was trying to loose 3 pounds a week and that is what it gave me. I have not updated it since changing to 4x a week workouts.

Ok I just updated the program. Let me know if you think this is still good for what i am doing
AFTER: 1495 calories a day 214P, 48F, 51C Well that takes care of my rockstar problem, i am done with that.

SUPPLEMENTS
I will get the 15-20 grams of psyllium husk, probiotics and digestive enzymes.

CARDIO
I do my ruck/walk everyday at 6:30am, i usually workout in the afternoon. Between 2 and 4.

ceo · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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bros i got super big after my plumbing accident @PurposeBuilt was depressed and couldn't train for 2 years. then i came back. you can check out my transformational log too

ROIDDERS · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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why are you not the typical person? we welcome all!! we are going to get you into the best shape of your life! @PurposeBuilt

2Thick · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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@PurposeBuilt you are doing the smartest thing with this log. i would avoid hardening steroids until you lean up below 12% body fat. that should be your #1 priority

Ulter · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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you are looking fantastic on this layout. nobody on here is going to give you a hard time man. that isn't what this forum is all about. we are a family on here and we welcome you. now lets KILL THIS! @PurposeBuilt

LevButlerov · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
FASTING
I will start 16/8 today.

PurposeBuilt said:
ROCKSTAR
And yes unfortunately i mean with sugar. I had a good reason i thought originally. I am drinking it just before workout kind of like a cheap pre workout. It wouls give me some caffien and carbs before working out. I know it is brutal on my macros, i have already been talking my self into giving it up. It is probably the last bad thing that i am holding on to.

@PurposeBuilt You can get a no sugar energy drink, if you really want some energy use sugar-free drinks.

PurposeBuilt said:
MACROFACTOR
BEFORE: 1626 calories 160 P, 54 F, 124 C,
The numbers i gave are what it has as my daily goal. I told it that i was trying to loose 3 pounds a week and that is what it gave me. I have not updated it since changing to 4x a week workouts.

Ok I just updated the program. Let me know if you think this is still good for what i am doing
AFTER: 1495 calories a day 214P, 48F, 51C Well that takes care of my rockstar problem, i am done with that.

You need to go up in protein to around 200 grams and we need to push the fiber up.

PurposeBuilt said:
SUPPLEMENTS
I will get the 15-20 grams of psyllium husk, probiotics and digestive enzymes.

Make sure at least a gallon of water per day.

PurposeBuilt said:
CARDIO
I do my ruck/walk everyday at 6:30am, i usually workout in the afternoon. Between 2 and 4.

Ruck/walk is fine, but you still need pre/post training cardio. How much time do you have for it?

RoySimpson · Aug 19, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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@PurposeBuilt welcome to the forums bro! Will be following your journey!

PurposeBuilt · Aug 20, 2025

LevButlerov said:
@PurposeBuilt You can get a no sugar energy drink, if you really want some energy use sugar-free drinks.

I will be switching back to that. I knew i should have been all along.

LevButlerov said:
You need to go up in protein to around 200 grams and we need to push the fiber up.

Thanks i will be doing that. I redid my input in macrofactor and it bumped me to 214 so ill be shooting for that from now on.

I would like to know what is the best/cheapest way to get my protein in, especially if i am doing time restricted eating and on a glp-1.
16/8 is not bad, but if i try to get down to like OMAD how do i even do that in one sitting? Any recommendations would be appreciated.

LevButlerov said:
Make sure at least a gallon of water per day.

LOL i was hoping no one would say that. I do about 80 oz a day, but I will work on that.

LevButlerov said:
Ruck/walk is fine, but you still need pre/post training cardio. How much time do you have for it?

I currently have not pre/post training cardio. I go for my walk/ruck in the morning before work. And now that the kids are going to school, i actually have a solid 1hr- 1.5 hrs i could dedicate to walking. And i am currently incrementing the distance i go i am walking about half an hour so as i build my endurance i have plenty of room to stretch that out. Or maybe keep it half an hour and move my workout to the morning right when i get done with the walk, if that is important.

In the afternoon it depends on when i get off work but i don't have a lot of time, i squeeze my workout in before the kids get home from school. And then i do have about an hour or so after the kids are in bed.

I have thought about getting a stationary bike or something, partially because it is going to be hard to walk in the snow in a few months.

LevButlerov · Aug 20, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I would like to know what is the best/cheapest way to get my protein in, especially if i am doing time restricted eating and on a glp-1.
16/8 is not bad, but if i try to get down to like OMAD how do i even do that in one sitting? Any recommendations would be appreciated.

Think eggs and think protein powder thats a start.

PurposeBuilt said:
I currently have not pre/post training cardio. I go for my walk/ruck in the morning before work. And now that the kids are going to school, i actually have a solid 1hr- 1.5 hrs i could dedicate to walking. And i am currently incrementing the distance i go i am walking about half an hour so as i build my endurance i have plenty of room to stretch that out. Or maybe keep it half an hour and move my workout to the morning right when i get done with the walk, if that is important.

@PurposeBuilt I would go pre post cardio on the training and cut the walking cardio to 1 hour. The pre post training is going to be the key for you long term for fat loss and muscle warming. @PurposeBuilt

how is your day today?

PurposeBuilt · Aug 21, 2025

OK going to work on adding cardio pre/post workout.

i created an actual weekly meal plan to eat in my time restricted window. Any critiques?
Macrofactor gave me 1495 cal 214 P 48f and 51C
This has some built in room for condiments ect.

Meal Plan

Day	Lunch	Snack	Dinner	Approx Totals
1	12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + strawberries	Pure Protein Bar	8 oz chicken thighs + 2 low-carb tortillas + 1 oz cheddar + 2 tbsp sour cream + salsa	~1395 cal / 208P
2	12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + apple	Pure Protein Bar	6 oz 96/4 lean beef + 2 low-carb tortillas + 1 oz cheddar + 2 tbsp sour cream + salsa	~1435 cal / 208P
3	12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + blueberries	Pure Protein Bar	1.5 cups egg whites + 3 oz chicken sausage + 2 low-carb tortillas + 1 oz cheddar + salsa	~1360 cal / 211P
4	8 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + watermelon	Pure Protein Bar	8 oz skirt steak + 2 low-carb tortillas + salsa/fajita spices	~1480 cal / 215P
5	12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + raspberries	Pure Protein Bar	8 oz chicken thighs + ½ cup dry jasmine rice + 1 cup broccoli + 2 tbsp teriyaki + 1 tsp sesame	~1455 cal / 213P
6	12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + orange	Pure Protein Bar	8 oz chicken thighs + 100g sweet potato + cinnamon/spray butter	~1410 cal / 234P
7	12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + strawberries	Pure Protein Bar	8 oz chicken breast + 100g sweet potato + 100g asparagus + 1 tbsp sour cream	~1375 cal / 232P

ballin2504 · Aug 21, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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@PurposeBuilt glad to have you here at who man. Can’t wait to see you take your physique to the next level.

LevButlerov · Aug 21, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
OK going to work on adding cardio pre/post workout.

i created an actual weekly meal plan to eat in my time restricted window. Any critiques?
Macrofactor gave me 1495 cal 214 P 48f and 51C
This has some built in room for condiments ect.

Meal Plan

Day
Lunch
Snack
Dinner
Approx Totals

1
12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + strawberries
Pure Protein Bar
8 oz chicken thighs + 2 low-carb tortillas + 1 oz cheddar + 2 tbsp sour cream + salsa
~1395 cal / 208P

2
12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + apple
Pure Protein Bar
6 oz 96/4 lean beef + 2 low-carb tortillas + 1 oz cheddar + 2 tbsp sour cream + salsa
~1435 cal / 208P

3
12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + blueberries
Pure Protein Bar
1.5 cups egg whites + 3 oz chicken sausage + 2 low-carb tortillas + 1 oz cheddar + salsa
~1360 cal / 211P

4
8 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + watermelon
Pure Protein Bar
8 oz skirt steak + 2 low-carb tortillas + salsa/fajita spices
~1480 cal / 215P

5
12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + raspberries
Pure Protein Bar
8 oz chicken thighs + ½ cup dry jasmine rice + 1 cup broccoli + 2 tbsp teriyaki + 1 tsp sesame
~1455 cal / 213P

6
12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + orange
Pure Protein Bar
8 oz chicken thighs + 100g sweet potato + cinnamon/spray butter
~1410 cal / 234P

7
12 oz chicken thighs + Fairlife + strawberries
Pure Protein Bar
8 oz chicken breast + 100g sweet potato + 100g asparagus + 1 tbsp sour cream
~1375 cal / 232P

@PurposeBuilt this is too low in macros, add some walnuts to this and add another protein bar 2nd one, and change watermelon to blueberries same with orange. Add some green yogurt as well.

Noah Wixx · Aug 22, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Boring Past:
Ok I know I am not the typical person who ends up here, but I know i need a change and I am not the best at half measures. I worked out in high school, I was one of the strongest guys in class without even trying. I even had the nickname Hulk. That strength stayed with me a long time just be staying active.

Then covid happened and I started working from home. I had two jobs, kids yada, yada, yada. And I woke up one day and was HUGE and felt like I was dying. So I started my recomp at the beginning of 2025.

I started working out again and walking. But struggled to loose weight. Got on Zepbound and lost 50 pounds. Which was great. But still felt terrible. Friend told me about TRT and my number was 178 so i got on. BINGO, that is what I have needed for what i am now sure is years.

Goal:
To erase the last 10 years of bad living, and set myself up for 40 years of making my health a priority. I am willing to throw everything including the kitchen sink at it.
I am looking to just max out my genetic potential on TRT that i am TOTALY never getting off of. I want to make the next twelve months as much of a total transformation as possible.

So i need to both loose another 100 pounds and leave muscle in its place.

Stats:

Age: 38

Height: 6’1”

Current weight: 331 lbs (down ~50 lbs from start of 2025, goal somewhere around 220 {Kind of guessing on that number})

Training history: Previously sedentary for several years, lifting now consistent 3x/week for 6 months, (just recently went to 4x a week) building back strength and endurance

Cycle history:

TRT 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins to minimize issues, ongoing)

GLP-1s: Tirzepatide (10 mg/wk, thinking of trying to switch to Retatrutide.

No prior anabolic blasts, currently exploring first cycle options (Anavar, Primo, etc.)

Current Medications (BP related): FAMILY HISTORY PROBABLY WILL ALWAYS BE ON SOMETHING- Currently my BP is like 120/75

Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg

Amlodipine Besylate 10 mg

Losartan/HCTZ 100/25 mg Considering switch to Telmisartan (for ARB + metabolic benefit)

Training:

3x/week dumbbell full-body lifting (progressive overload focus) (Just switched to 4x a week)

Walking ~4000 steps/day, adding distance slowly

1 mile daily ruck w/ 25 lb pack (increasing distance gradually)

Light GPP on off-days: kettlebell, club bell, eventually sandbag work

Diet:

Calories: ~1800/day (GLP-1 supported appetite control)

Protein: ~200 g/day (lean meats, shakes)

Supplements:

Creatine 5g

Fish oil 1200mg

multi

magnesium glycinate 210 mg

L-citrulline 1500mg

k2 and d3

Sleep:

Aiming for 7–8 hrs/night

THE PLAN:

Continue fat loss → reach ~220 lbs leaner baseline within 12 months

Preserve and rebuild muscle lost from years of being sedentary

Run a clean, moderate Anavar cycle (30 mg/day × 6–8 weeks) alongside TRT later this year

Eventually transition to Primo/Masteron for polish once leaner

Improve BP, lipids, and joint health while on TRT/AAS

Bloodwork:

1-month TRT labs:

Total Test: 921 ng/dL

Estradiol: 67.6 pg/mL

Hematocrit: 46.3%

PSA: 1.1 (normal)

A1c: 4.8% (excellent)

RECOMP at a GLANCE

Phase 1 (Weeks 1–12) — Foundation & Lipid Prep

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk (daily micro-pins)

Tirzepatide (10mg) or Retatrutide (Stack them?) I have 7 months of Triz in my frige, but I can give that to my wife and get reta if it is worth it.

Want to add a combo of the following, or all if I can afford it. I want to supercharge my Triz, I have slowed down especially on TRT. Although it maybe still working on the fat.

CJC/Ipamorelin →300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

Cardarine (GW-501516) → endurance, HDL↑ LDL↓ | 10 mg/day I really want this for the HDL Benefits before I start Anavar.

AOD-9604 → joint support, fat loss aid | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

L-Carnitine (inj.) → fat oxidation, pumps | 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot, Metformin

The goal is to be close to around 280 by this time.

Phase 2 (Weeks 13–20) — Anavar Boost

TRT (Test Cyp) → same 200 mg/wk Maybe by this time i will have lost enough weight that aromatization will not be as bad and I can up this as part of the cycle? Maybe to like 500mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide in some form

Weight loss enhancers

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC + TUDCA (liver), Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

Dropping to avoid the potential long term risk. I was wondering if i should shift this so that it overlaps some more with the anavar to protect hdl.

Cardarine (optional overlap) → 10 mg/day

Actual Steroid Cycle

Anavar (Oxandrolone) 30 mg/day (split AM/PM)

Phase 3 (Weeks 21–32) — Cruise & Endurance Push

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide

Weight loss enhancers In Some Combo

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly 300 mcg nightly, 5x/wk

SLU-PP-332 → endurance, fat burn | 250–500 mcg/day (split AM/PM)

MOTS-c → mitochondria, insulin sensitivity | 10–15 mg, 2–3x/wk

AOD-9604 → continue 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

I should have most of the weight gone by this time.

Phase 4 (Weeks 33–52) — Polish (or Bulk if Lean Enough)

TRT (Test Cyp) → 200 mg/wk

Tirzepatide or Retatrutide (maintenance)

Im not sure if I really need to continue taking the enhancers anymore at this point.

CJC/Ipamorelin → nightly

MOTS-c (optional low dose) → 5–10 mg/wk for metabolism/longevity

AOD-9604 (optional) → if still cutting | 250–500 mcg/day

L-Carnitine → 500–1000 mg/day

Support: NAC, Fish Oil, Citrus Bergamot

This plan is from talking to ChatGPT with my Goals. That is why i came here to get real people to look at it.

2nd Steroid Cycle

Primo Enanthate (option A) → lean tissue, polish | 400 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

OR Masteron Enanthate (option B) → anti-E2, hardness | 300 mg/wk (2x/wk pins, 12 weeks)

I have also heard of people talking about TRT plus or the Dad Cycle and I like the idea of doing a low dose of something else while i am on TRT anyway. I am looking to be at or just around my max genetic potential. I don't know if that is possible in one year (probably not), or especially in such a cut. But that is what the long term TRTplus is i suppose.

Go ahead and roast away. I am tired of being who I was and I am giving this next year everything that I have to get where i want to be.
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Takes alot of confidence posting amd showing photos of yourself especially when you don't feel good about the way you look, the beautiful part is you can change that and we as a community can come together and help you do just that.

We dont shame people here all are welcome and we prefer helping other's no matter age weight place in life doesn't make a difference, we want to see people win and achieve what they never thought could be possible.

Welcome into the evo community brother time to get up get out and get after the changes you seek

I remember when i got on trt and said i will never run anything else i just want to be helathy happy and feel good.... and 4 cycles later lol

PurposeBuilt · Sep 7, 2025

September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.
Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.
Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.
Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.
Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.
Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.
Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.
I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

LevButlerov · Sep 7, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

Good update thank you

@PurposeBuilt but we really need to see your diet and training more before saying anything about steroids.

You need to update way more.
And at your size, doing any steroids can be not good. Testosterone only is the way and that's a big maybe.
do you have bloods?

PurposeBuilt · Sep 7, 2025

LevButlerov said:
Good update thank you @PurposeBuilt but we really need to see your diet and training more before saying anything about steroids.

You need to update way more.
And at your size, doing any steroids can be not good. Testosterone only is the way and that's a big maybe.
do you have bloods?

Lol i have not updated more because i didn't want to bore everyone.
I pretty much have been sticking with my plan. I have now hit 10,000+ steps in three days of the last 7. And i am pretty confident in my ability to hit that on a regular basis. I continue to do full body workouts 4 days a week Mon/thurs and tues/fri routine. Ill post the exact exercise soon. I am actively looking for a stationary bike for more cardio especially as the winter time comes. And i think i am going to breakdown probably in November to get a gym membership for a couple months so i wont have to walk in the snow. I am getting bloods drawn on the 10th.

Ill be getting back on soon to update more often.

LevButlerov · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Lol i have not updated more because i didn't want to bore everyone.
I pretty much have been sticking with my plan. I have now hit 10,000+ steps in three days of the last 7. And i am pretty confident in my ability to hit that on a regular basis. I continue to do full body workouts 4 days a week Mon/thurs and tues/fri routine. Ill post the exact exercise soon. I am actively looking for a stationary bike for more cardio especially as the winter time comes. And i think i am going to breakdown probably in November to get a gym membership for a couple months so i wont have to walk in the snow. I am getting bloods drawn on the 10th.

Ill be getting back on soon to update more often.

You’re not boring anyone, EVO family members like seeing steady progress. Hitting steps like that on multiple days shows consistency and that’s what matters most. Full body four days a week is solid work and keeps everything moving forward. Stationary bike and a short-term gym pass for winter sounds like a smart plan to keep the momentum going. Post up the exercise list when you can, everyone will follow along. @PurposeBuilt

Mobster · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

Great results so far

stevesmi · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

nothing wrong with 12 pounds in a month. @PurposeBuilt it really helps prevents loose skin going slowly. hopefully once you drop the weight you won't need bp meds

BodyMonster34 · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

@PurposeBuilt bro you should link up with my wife. she trying to lose weight too.. but she 440lbs of SSBBW

2Thick · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

combining a strong diet, cardio and these GLP1's will work well. Very impressed with what you're doing here. I would still hold off on the steroids for a while. @PurposeBuilt

ceo · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

@PurposeBuilt bros you are off to a good start. a lot of stuff going on. all this heart issues can be helped by losing the weight so focus on that 100%

Ulter · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

your ultimate goal @PurposeBuilt is to not need heart medications. the more you get into shape the better. you still have a lot of weight to lose so keep going before you worry about steroids

ROIDDERS · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

@PurposeBuilt you can run some tbol or var. but honestly. not safe to use steroids if you are on so much heart pills

PurposeBuilt · Sep 8, 2025

I am working out with adjustable dumbbells, 4 days a week. They go up to 85 currently but are expandable. I also have an adjustable bench a kettlebell, club bell, and getting a sandbag for a GPP day on Saturdays. Saturdays are less structured right now, and only makes it in as I have time. My Goal is walking/rucking 10,000 steps a day, I made it three days last week. So should be there consistently with in the next couple weeks.

4 Day A Week Workout

Monday/Thursday
Bench Press- 3x6-10, go up when I hit 10 for all three. currently at 60lbs
Bento Over One Arm Row- 3x8-12/side go up when I hit 12 for all three. Currently at 60lbs
Box Squat- 3x8-12 go up when I hit 12 for all three. Currently at 60lbs
Romanian Dead Lift- 3x6-10, go up when I hit 10 for all three. currently at 60lbs
Farmers Carry- 2x 50 meters with weight. Go up when it feels like 7/10 effort. Currently at 40lbs

Tuesday\Friday
Overhead Press- 3x6-10, go up when I hit 10 for all three. currently at 45lbs
Pullover- 3x10-15 go up when I hit 15 for all three. Currently at 35lbs
Lunge-3x10-15 go up when I hit 15 for all three. Currently at 35lbs
Bicep Curl-3x10-15 go up when I hit 15 for all three. Currently at 35lbs
Suitcase carry-2x 50 meters with weight. Go up when it feels like 7/10 effort. Currently at 40lbs

s.gentz · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

@PurposeBuilt
I'm just catching up on your log. What is your rate of loss? The calories you have listed above are much too low to maintain a healthy hormone profile for any length of time. I would suggest resetting your diet a bit. Cals need to come up. At some point your gonna stall and you have 0 runway to drop cals anymore and maintain health.
@LevButlerov -What are your thoughts?

PurposeBuilt · Sep 8, 2025

s.gentz said:
@PurposeBuilt
I'm just catching up on your log. What is your rate of loss? The calories you have listed above are much too low to maintain a healthy hormone profile for any length of time. I would suggest resetting your diet a bit. Cals need to come up. At some point your gonna stall and you have 0 runway to drop cals anymore and maintain health.
@LevButlerov -What are your thoughts?

I have lost about 3-3.5 pounds per week since the beginning of may. I might go over occasionally but i keep loosing weight so i don't worry about it to much. I do try to be very consistent. With tirzepitide it has been pretty easy. I drink water only now 95% of the time. I have only had any issues one time when i was helping my parents move. i did it fasted. By the end of the day i hit a wall on energy and it took me a week to get back to where i was so i am being more careful on extended heavy exertion. I guess that would have been a good post it happened two weeks ago.

Alot of people are recommending fasting, but with the tirz/reta i am struggling to eat what I need to in a time window of 4-6 hours, so i am trying not to push fasting to hard.

I am not sure what you mean about healthy hormone profile? I am on trt although only a couple months. It is what has given me the drive to really kick myself into gear.

s.gentz · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I am not sure what you mean about healthy hormone profile? I am on trt although only a couple months. It is what has given me the drive to really kick myself into gear.

What I mean is your cals are too low to support normal body functions. Hormones are more than just test.estrogen. This will backfire eventually. Your metabolism will go to shit.
I would suggest bringing cals up a bit. You will still drop fat but then when loss slows down you will have room to lower cals. I would never suggest taking cals under 1500/day for anymore than a few weeks.
Your doing great and your motivated but you don;t wanna go too fast here and damage your health.

PurposeBuilt · Sep 8, 2025

What would you suggest I increase my calories to? I definitely don’t want to mess myself up or ruin my fat loss. That’s why the first part of my plan was to start with Cardarine, so I’d have more endurance and be able to burn more calories.

My assumption is that if I increase my calorie intake, I’ll just need to burn more calories through cardio. But are you saying I shouldn’t do that either because it would still put me in this low of a deficit?

My original plan was to keep transitioning from tirz to Reta. Right now, I’m at 7.5 mg Tirz and 2 mg Reta. I haven’t moved up to my original goal of 5 mg Tirz and 4 mg Reta yet, because I started to feel hungrier. But if I need to increase my intake anyway, maybe it makes sense to go ahead with that change. That way, I’d get more of the added benefits from Reta.

s.gentz · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
What would you suggest I increase my calories to? I definitely don’t want to mess myself up or ruin my fat loss. That’s why the first part of my plan was to start with Cardarine, so I’d have more endurance and be able to burn more calories.

My assumption is that if I increase my calorie intake, I’ll just need to burn more calories through cardio. But are you saying I shouldn’t do that either because it would still put me in this low of a deficit?

My original plan was to keep transitioning from tirz to Reta. Right now, I’m at 7.5 mg Tirz and 2 mg Reta. I haven’t moved up to my original goal of 5 mg Tirz and 4 mg Reta yet, because I started to feel hungrier. But if I need to increase my intake anyway, maybe it makes sense to go ahead with that change. That way, I’d get more of the added benefits from Reta.

Your gonna mess yourself up if you keep on this path. Your barely eating enough to function.
I would transition to 3mg retat and bring up cals to 1800.

210Pro
100carb
62fat
Or if you like low carb
210pro
50carb
84fats

Run that for a few weeks and see where you are.
You may gain a bit of weight initially but it's just water. Your body will get used to it.
You don't want to go heavy on the retat initially as your body needs time to get used to it. You will feel like crap if you take too much too soon.
Don't start any other drugs until your in better condition. AAS are not beneficial in this situation.

PurposeBuilt · Sep 8, 2025

s.gentz said:
Your gonna mess yourself up if you keep on this path. Your barely eating enough to function.
I would transition to 3mg retat and bring up cals to 1800.

210Pro
100carb
62fat
Or if you like low carb
210pro
50carb
84fats

Run that for a few weeks and see where you are.
You may gain a bit of weight initially but it's just water. Your body will get used to it.
You don't want to go heavy on the retat initially as your body needs time to get used to it. You will feel like crap if you take too much too soon.
Don't start any other drugs until your in better condition. AAS are not beneficial in this situation.

OK i am updated my info in macrofactor and just manually entered
1800cal
210Pro
100carb
62fat

When i do my glp this week ill switch to Triz- 5mg and Rets-3mg and see how things go. Will keep everyone updated.

I can still keep pushing up my cardio right?

s.gentz · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
OK i am updated my info in macrofactor and just manually entered
1800cal
210Pro
100carb
62fat

When i do my glp this week ill switch to Triz- 5mg and Rets-3mg and see how things go. Will keep everyone updated.

I can still keep pushing up my cardio right?

Yes nothing wrong with cardio.
I would drop the tirzep and see how you do on just the retat. Your digestion has to be awful.

LevButlerov · Sep 8, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
OK i am updated my info in macrofactor and just manually entered
1800cal
210Pro
100carb
62fat

When i do my glp this week ill switch to Triz- 5mg and Rets-3mg and see how things go. Will keep everyone updated.

I can still keep pushing up my cardio right?

I would keep pushing cardio up for sure 100% and lets get the new ratios up

25homes · Sep 9, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

Why so low on the eq

RoySimpson · Sep 9, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

@PurposeBuilt solid log will be interesting to see the blood work!

PurposeBuilt · Sep 10, 2025

So how long can i

25homes said:
Why so low on the eq

Thanks for the question.
There are really three main reason behind my approach.

1. My Primary Goal
My number one goal is overall fitness. The main reason I’m using EQ at all is simply because I don’t have Primo which i would prefer at my size. I also don’t want to waste the endurance benefits I’ll get from Cardarine. Since I only plan to run Cardarine once due to the potential risks, I want to maximize its effect.

I’m aware that EQ can increase appetite, which I don’t want right now. But EQ also takes time to ramp up, so I came across a suggestion to use an oral at the start to fill that gap—that’s where Tbol comes in. Later, once I’ve lost most of the weight and my bloodwork looks better, I could add Anavar toward the end.

2. Forum Peer Pressure
I respect the advice and experience of everyone here. I know many would say I shouldn’t use anything at all, but I’m not doing this just to get huge. More muscle means a higher TDEE, which helps me burn more calories throughout the day. Since I’ve been away from lifting for a while, I’m still seeing “newbie gains,” so I really just need enough support to grow a bit while in a deficit.

3. Privacy Considerations
In my line of work, no one can know I’m using anabolics. My wife knows my plan, and my best friend knows I’ve considered supraphysiological TRT. Beyond that, I don’t intend to confirm anything to him or anyone else. At most, if people find out, they should just think I’m on TRT.

Noah Wixx · Sep 10, 2025

Honestly speaking you won't get much put of running gear at this point in the jounery, the weight loss and those goals and becoming healthy should be the only foucs and main priority, you wont see any of the benefits or muscle gain when u have alot of adipose tissue ontop of the muscle, also if you are already on BP meds running gear is only going to make your BP worse and put more strain on you then you want right now, there is more offen than not a time and place to run and implement gear, if i was in your shoes i would run the glp1 and keep cardio up, work hard to drop the weight and once at a good spot deploy the gear at that point, with your diet needing some help as Sgentz pointed out to be sustainable, i think you should hold off on gear, its going to complicate things which you dont need brother.

ballin2504 · Sep 10, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
September Update

I weighed in this morning at 319 lbs. When I made the original post, I was 331lbs, so that’s a 12lb loss in just under a month that is not bad at all. That’s about the same pace I’ve been losing since I started.

Back in April 2025, I weighed 380 lbs. Now, I’ve got less than 100lbs left to go. If I keep losing at this same rate, I should reach my goal in about 28 weeks.

Technically, I haven’t started Phase 1 of the push yet—that begins next month. So what have I been doing up to this point?

Tracking my food with MacroFactor.

Tirzepatide 7.5 mg and Retatrutide 2 mg. I’ve been splitting doses for the past two weeks and it feels good. Hunger has increased a little, but my plan is to switch to Tirzepatide 5 mg and Retatrutide 4 mg soon. If the signals stay consistent, that’s what I’ll run with for the rest of the recomp.

Walking/rucking every morning, about 2.5 miles.

Walking every evening, aiming for ~12,000 steps per day.

Full-body workouts 4x per week.

Medication update-
One in of my bp meds in particular has some nasty side effects that i didn't know about till i started all of this. My Doctor said he wanted me off of it as soon as possible. So i was at Metoprolol Succinate 100 mg, and this week starting the quarter dose of 25mg till my body adjusts then probably in a week or two dropping it once my bp looks good again.

Modifications to the Original Plan
Over the past month, I’ve been researching non-stop and refining my approach. The main shift came from realizing I want to maximize the benefits of cardarine—not just for weight loss, but to really push my overall endurance and performance forward.

Here’s what I’m considering.

EQ (Equipoise): 200 mg for 16–20 weeks starting week 1. This should complement the endurance improvements I’ll be building with cardarine.

Tbol (Turinabol): 25 mg daily for 7 weeks starting week 1, while waiting for EQ to fully kick in. From what I’ve learned, it doesn’t interfere with pumps, making it a solid choice alongside cardio.

Anavar: Possibly finishing with 20 mg daily during weeks 21–28. That would give me about 13 weeks total between the two orals.

I have a laundry list of supplements i will be taking to support my organs and keep everything as safe as possible.

Getting bloodwork done this week-
I’ll be getting a full blood panel done this week and will share the results here. I’m also considering talking to my doctor about starting a statin. I’m not sure if I need one right now, but I’d like to have it in place before running any orals.

I know many of you appreciated that I didn’t jump straight into steroids, so I realize this update might not sit well with everyone. But at this point, I feel like I’ve got the weight-loss side of things under control. Even though I already have everything I need to start, I won’t be running anything until my bloodwork comes back and I’ll share those results so we can all take a look together.

@PurposeBuilt personally I would run equipoise higher than that. I keep mine around the 600 range. But I like T-bol in this situation also.

LevButlerov · Sep 10, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
So how long can i

Thanks for the question.
There are really three main reason behind my approach.

1. My Primary Goal
My number one goal is overall fitness. The main reason I’m using EQ at all is simply because I don’t have Primo which i would prefer at my size. I also don’t want to waste the endurance benefits I’ll get from Cardarine. Since I only plan to run Cardarine once due to the potential risks, I want to maximize its effect.

I’m aware that EQ can increase appetite, which I don’t want right now. But EQ also takes time to ramp up, so I came across a suggestion to use an oral at the start to fill that gap—that’s where Tbol comes in. Later, once I’ve lost most of the weight and my bloodwork looks better, I could add Anavar toward the end.

2. Forum Peer Pressure
I respect the advice and experience of everyone here. I know many would say I shouldn’t use anything at all, but I’m not doing this just to get huge. More muscle means a higher TDEE, which helps me burn more calories throughout the day. Since I’ve been away from lifting for a while, I’m still seeing “newbie gains,” so I really just need enough support to grow a bit while in a deficit.

3. Privacy Considerations
In my line of work, no one can know I’m using anabolics. My wife knows my plan, and my best friend knows I’ve considered supraphysiological TRT. Beyond that, I don’t intend to confirm anything to him or anyone else. At most, if people find out, they should just think I’m on TRT.

You dont need to go high on the EQ. Tbol is a bad idea imo.
Lower EQ dose with cardarine and testosterone is enough imo. @PurposeBuilt
I can tell you're using ai for this, I suggest you do NOT listen to chatgpt or other ai and come to us.

There is a health aspect of going slow at this.

PurposeBuilt · Sep 11, 2025

LevButlerov said:
You dont need to go high on the EQ. Tbol is a bad idea imo.
Lower EQ dose with cardarine and testosterone is enough imo. @PurposeBuilt
I can tell you're using ai for this, I suggest you do NOT listen to chatgpt or other ai and come to us.

There is a health aspect of going slow at this.

Yes I did use AI. But i did realize that it might not be the best thing to use. I have been working through the podcast. I have been doing about 2 a day for the last month. Trying to catch up and become more knowlegable as i go through this.

My original plan was just to do primo during that time on Carradine. And have thought about still trying to find it before i start. I should have my support stack all hear soon. I have a wedding to go to across the country in October so i want to wait till i get back before i start everything. Either way going low dose is the plan. I got my bloods drawn today so should have some numbers soon to make the final decision.

So does eq not need something run at the beginning. Or is it because of how low dose I was planning on running?

Allupfromhere · Sep 11, 2025

First off well done on your progress thus far you should be very proud of yourself as the evo family is proud of you for taking back control of your health. Many good points have been made here already but believe me when i say i understand what it is like to be in your shoes at the point where you currently are.
My 2c for what its worth..
Glps in this situation is spot on, reta on its own is enough not just for appetite suppression but for its abilty to influence how your body processes nutrients also.
I would not be running a full cycle or considering orals at this point at all. However i am in favour for running trt dose test as your natural levels are going to be low as it is due to bf% and your extreme lack of calories. So i feel incorporating low dose test would be greatly beneficial through this phase. Prior blood work is crucial to see where everything is at first though.
Next point is @s.gentz is right on the money about your current calories. Believe me i know how it feels when we think we are about to jeopardise the *weight* loss you a currently experiencing but this approach is only benefiting you from a mental approach as you are seeing *weight* dropping rapidly. Those calories arent enough to be fueling your bodies recovery. You dont want to be a wet noodle once your strip off all the weight. The idea it to optimise *fat* loss and to do that you need to building your metabolism. Starving yourself is doing the complete opposite of this. The **key** part in this is not adding calories too fast as this will be counter productive.
From where your calories are right now, add 100 calories daily each week. If weight is still coming off continue to add another 100 calories. If you dont drop weight that week just hold the line with the same calories until weight loss becomes present again and then continue.
Think of this like a campfire, you start with a small flame and add a little wood each time as the fire gets bigger.. the fire will reach a point where it is burning so hot you can throw significant amounts of wood on it and it will just burn.. add too much too soon and the wood just smothers the small flame and your just left with a big pile of wood (fat)
Feel free to flick through my logs and you will see how effective this approach is even without Ped's. I built my whole transformation from this process.

All the best brother i will be following along

s.gentz · Sep 11, 2025

Allupfromhere said:
First off well done on your progress thus far you should be very proud of yourself as the evo family is proud of you for taking back control of your health. Many good points have been made here already but believe me when i say i understand what it is like to be in your shoes at the point where you currently are.
My 2c for what its worth..
Glps in this situation is spot on, reta on its own is enough not just for appetite suppression but for its abilty to influence how your body processes nutrients also.
I would not be running a full cycle or considering orals at this point at all. However i am in favour for running trt dose test as your natural levels are going to be low as it is due to bf% and your extreme lack of calories. So i feel incorporating low dose test would be greatly beneficial through this phase. Prior blood work is crucial to see where everything is at first though.
Next point is @s.gentz is right on the money about your current calories. Believe me i know how it feels when we think we are about to jeopardise the *weight* loss you a currently experiencing but this approach is only benefiting you from a mental approach as you are seeing *weight* dropping rapidly. Those calories arent enough to be fueling your bodies recovery. You dont want to be a wet noodle once your strip off all the weight. The idea it to optimise *fat* loss and to do that you need to building your metabolism. Starving yourself is doing the complete opposite of this. The **key** part in this is not adding calories too fast as this will be counter productive.
From where your calories are right now, add 100 calories daily each week. If weight is still coming off continue to add another 100 calories. If you dont drop weight that week just hold the line with the same calories until weight loss becomes present again and then continue.
Think of this like a campfire, you start with a small flame and add a little wood each time as the fire gets bigger.. the fire will reach a point where it is burning so hot you can throw significant amounts of wood on it and it will just burn.. add too much too soon and the wood just smothers the small flame and your just left with a big pile of wood (fat)
Feel free to flick through my logs and you will see how effective this approach is even without Ped's. I built my whole transformation from this process.

All the best brother i will be following along

Well said @Allupfromhere

Allupfromhere · Sep 11, 2025

s.gentz said:
Well said @Allupfromhere

Thank you brother

PurposeBuilt · Sep 11, 2025

Thank you all for the comments, and the advice i really do appreciate it. OK most of my bloods are in. So here they are.
Starting Weight: 381.3
Current Weight: 316.5
Total Lost: 64.8
Goal Weight: 220ish- We will see where we end up.

I also wanted to update my bp over all i have been running about 127/77
I have dropped metoprolol- i had to wean off of it.
I got rosuvastatin from Dr, obviously they have not seen my new numbers, this draw was just for me. I am not taking it right now, mostly i got it to add to my chest for the future.

Current meds:

Telmisartan HCTZ- switched from losartan-hctz
amlodipine besylate
Tadalafil 5mg- Probably not actually needed but....

It sounds like if i run anything it will just be the low dose eq or if i can find primo, just while on cardarine. I am not starting anything till next month.

Blood Test Results (Sep 2025)

Cardiovascular Health – Lipids

Total Cholesterol: 145 mg/dL (Range: <200)
Triglycerides: 114 mg/dL (Range: <150)
Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.5 (Range: <5.0)
LDL/HDL Ratio: 2.9 (Below Avg Risk: <2.28 | Avg: 2.29–4.90 | Mod: 4.91–7.12 | High: >7.13)
Non-HDL Cholesterol: 113 mg/dL (Range: <130)
HDL Cholesterol: 32 mg/dL (Range: ≥40) Low
LDL Cholesterol (calc): 92 mg/dL (Range: <100; <70 if high risk)

Inflammation

hs-CRP: 7.8 mg/L (Optimal: <1.0 | Avg Risk: 1–3 | Higher Risk: 3.1–10 | >10: possible infection/inflammation) High

Vitamin & Metabolic

Homocysteine: 20.1 µmol/L (Range: ≤13.5) High
Glucose: 86 mg/dL (Range: 65–99) Normal

Hormones

PSA: 1.1 ng/mL
Testosterone (Total): 921 ng/dL
Free Testosterone (Direct): 27.7 ng/dL
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL I have heard mixed things about this, i know fat aromatizes badly.
Hemoglobin A1c: 4.8 %

Liver Health

Protein, Total: 7.4 g/dL (Range: 6.1–8.1)
Albumin: 4.3 g/dL (Range: 3.6–5.1)
Globulin: 3.1 g/dL (Range: 1.9–3.7)
A/G Ratio: 1.4 (Range: 1.0–2.5)
Bilirubin, Total: 1.0 mg/dL (Range: 0.2–1.2)
Alkaline Phosphatase: 69 U/L (Range: 36–130)
AST: 53 U/L (Range: 10–40) High
ALT: 46 U/L (Range: 9–46) At upper limit

Kidney & Electrolytes

BUN: 23 mg/dL (Range: 7–25)
Creatinine: 1.23 mg/dL (Range: 0.60–1.26)
eGFR: 77 mL/min/1.73m² (Range: ≥60)
Calcium: 10.6 mg/dL (Range: 8.6–10.3) Slightly High
Sodium: 135 mmol/L (Range: 135–146)
Potassium: 3.9 mmol/L (Range: 3.5–5.3)
Chloride: 100 mmol/L (Range: 98–110)
CO₂ (Bicarbonate): 25 mmol/L (Range: 20–32)

Iron & Blood Health

Iron, Total: 51 µg/dL (Range: 50–180)
Iron Binding Capacity (TIBC): 316 µg/dL (Range: 250–425)
% Saturation: 16% (Range: 20–48) Low
Ferritin: 23 ng/mL (Range: 38–380) Low

Blood Counts

Platelets: 324k /µL (Range: 140–400k)
RBC Count: 5.49 M/µL (Range: 4.20–5.80)
Hemoglobin: 15.3 g/dL (Range: 13.2–17.1)
Hematocrit: 49.8% (Range: 38.5–50.0)
MCV: 90.7 fL (Range: 80–100)
MCH: 27.9 pg (Range: 27–33)
MCHC: 30.7 g/dL (Range: 32–36) Low
RDW: 14.9% (Range: 11–15)
MPV: 10.2 fL (Range: 7.5–12.5)

White Blood Cells

WBC Count: 8.6k /µL (Range: 3.8–10.8k)
Neutrophils (Abs): 6407 /µL (Range: 1500–7800)
Lymphocytes (Abs): 1410 /µL (Range: 850–3900)
Monocytes (Abs): 645 /µL (Range: 200–950)
Eosinophils (Abs): 120 /µL (Range: 15–500)
Basophils (Abs): 17 /µL (Range: 0–200)
Neutrophils %: 74.5%
Lymphocytes %: 16.4%
Monocytes %: 7.5%
Eosinophils %: 1.4%
Basophils %: 0.2%

PENDING

Apolipoprotein A1 — Pending
Apolipoprotein B/A1 Ratio — Pending
Apolipoprotein B — Pending

PurposeBuilt · Sep 11, 2025

Also i kind of hate seeing this all lined up now. But I did realize the higher risk that I would be at, soo these are the supplements i bought to help with my originally planned cycle of eq, starting tbol and ending anavar, which apparently was not as great as I thought.

SUPPLEMENTS - I only had to get a second mortgage.

Injectable L-Carnitine
Lions Mane
Magnesium Glycinate
Multivitamin nature made
Omega-3 Fish Oil
Protein Powder
Psyllium Husk
Rhodiola
SLU-PP-332
Taurine
TUDCA
Turmeric / Curcumin
Vitamin D3+k2
Zinc picolinate
niacin
dim
calcium d-glucarate
indole-3-carbinol 13c
Caffiene
nac
L-citruline
Asprin- low dose

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LevButlerov · Sep 11, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Yes I did use AI. But i did realize that it might not be the best thing to use. I have been working through the podcast. I have been doing about 2 a day for the last month. Trying to catch up and become more knowlegable as i go through this.

My original plan was just to do primo during that time on Carradine. And have thought about still trying to find it before i start. I should have my support stack all hear soon. I have a wedding to go to across the country in October so i want to wait till i get back before i start everything. Either way going low dose is the plan. I got my bloods drawn today so should have some numbers soon to make the final decision.

So does eq not need something run at the beginning. Or is it because of how low dose I was planning on running?

PurposeBuilt said:
Thank you all for the comments, and the advice i really do appreciate it. OK most of my bloods are in. So here they are.
Starting Weight: 381.3
Current Weight: 316.5
Total Lost: 64.8
Goal Weight: 220ish- We will see where we end up.

I also wanted to update my bp over all i have been running about 127/77
I have dropped metoprolol- i had to wean off of it.
I got rosuvastatin from Dr, obviously they have not seen my new numbers, this draw was just for me. I am not taking it right now, mostly i got it to add to my chest for the future.

Current meds:

Telmisartan HCTZ- switched from losartan-hctz
amlodipine besylate
Tadalafil 5mg- Probably not actually needed but....

It sounds like if i run anything it will just be the low dose eq or if i can find primo, just while on cardarine. I am not starting anything till next month.

Blood Test Results (Sep 2025)

Cardiovascular Health – Lipids

Total Cholesterol: 145 mg/dL (Range: <200)

Triglycerides: 114 mg/dL (Range: <150)

Chol/HDL Ratio: 4.5 (Range: <5.0)

LDL/HDL Ratio: 2.9 (Below Avg Risk: <2.28 | Avg: 2.29–4.90 | Mod: 4.91–7.12 | High: >7.13)

Non-HDL Cholesterol: 113 mg/dL (Range: <130)

HDL Cholesterol: 32 mg/dL (Range: ≥40) Low

LDL Cholesterol (calc): 92 mg/dL (Range: <100; <70 if high risk)

Inflammation

hs-CRP: 7.8 mg/L (Optimal: <1.0 | Avg Risk: 1–3 | Higher Risk: 3.1–10 | >10: possible infection/inflammation) High

Vitamin & Metabolic

Homocysteine: 20.1 µmol/L (Range: ≤13.5) High

Glucose: 86 mg/dL (Range: 65–99) Normal

Hormones

PSA: 1.1 ng/mL

Testosterone (Total): 921 ng/dL

Free Testosterone (Direct): 27.7 ng/dL

Estradiol: 58 pg/mL I have heard mixed things about this, i know fat aromatizes badly.

Hemoglobin A1c: 4.8 %

Liver Health

Protein, Total: 7.4 g/dL (Range: 6.1–8.1)

Albumin: 4.3 g/dL (Range: 3.6–5.1)

Globulin: 3.1 g/dL (Range: 1.9–3.7)

A/G Ratio: 1.4 (Range: 1.0–2.5)

Bilirubin, Total: 1.0 mg/dL (Range: 0.2–1.2)

Alkaline Phosphatase: 69 U/L (Range: 36–130)

AST: 53 U/L (Range: 10–40) High

ALT: 46 U/L (Range: 9–46) At upper limit

Kidney & Electrolytes

BUN: 23 mg/dL (Range: 7–25)

Creatinine: 1.23 mg/dL (Range: 0.60–1.26)

eGFR: 77 mL/min/1.73m² (Range: ≥60)

Calcium: 10.6 mg/dL (Range: 8.6–10.3) Slightly High

Sodium: 135 mmol/L (Range: 135–146)

Potassium: 3.9 mmol/L (Range: 3.5–5.3)

Chloride: 100 mmol/L (Range: 98–110)

CO₂ (Bicarbonate): 25 mmol/L (Range: 20–32)

Iron & Blood Health

Iron, Total: 51 µg/dL (Range: 50–180)

Iron Binding Capacity (TIBC): 316 µg/dL (Range: 250–425)

% Saturation: 16% (Range: 20–48) Low

Ferritin: 23 ng/mL (Range: 38–380) Low

Blood Counts

Platelets: 324k /µL (Range: 140–400k)

RBC Count: 5.49 M/µL (Range: 4.20–5.80)

Hemoglobin: 15.3 g/dL (Range: 13.2–17.1)

Hematocrit: 49.8% (Range: 38.5–50.0)

MCV: 90.7 fL (Range: 80–100)

MCH: 27.9 pg (Range: 27–33)

MCHC: 30.7 g/dL (Range: 32–36) Low

RDW: 14.9% (Range: 11–15)

MPV: 10.2 fL (Range: 7.5–12.5)

White Blood Cells

WBC Count: 8.6k /µL (Range: 3.8–10.8k)

Neutrophils (Abs): 6407 /µL (Range: 1500–7800)

Lymphocytes (Abs): 1410 /µL (Range: 850–3900)

Monocytes (Abs): 645 /µL (Range: 200–950)

Eosinophils (Abs): 120 /µL (Range: 15–500)

Basophils (Abs): 17 /µL (Range: 0–200)

Neutrophils %: 74.5%

Lymphocytes %: 16.4%

Monocytes %: 7.5%

Eosinophils %: 1.4%

Basophils %: 0.2%

PENDING

Apolipoprotein A1 — Pending

Apolipoprotein B/A1 Ratio — Pending

Apolipoprotein B — Pending

@PurposeBuilt I have a request, can we TALK TO YOU and not to chatgpt please?

i know you use it to "clean" up but it's not you.
Can you post your bloods and blur out personal info we can check ourselves.

PurposeBuilt said:
Also i kind of hate seeing this all lined up now. But I did realize the higher risk that I would be at, soo these are the supplements i bought to help with my originally planned cycle of eq, starting tbol and ending anavar, which apparently was not as great as I thought.

SUPPLEMENTS - I only had to get a second mortgage.

Injectable L-Carnitine
Lions Mane
Magnesium Glycinate
Multivitamin nature made
Omega-3 Fish Oil
Protein Powder
Psyllium Husk
Rhodiola
SLU-PP-332
Taurine
TUDCA
Turmeric / Curcumin
Vitamin D3+k2
Zinc picolinate
niacin
dim
calcium d-glucarate
indole-3-carbinol 13c
Caffiene
nac
L-citruline
Asprin- low dose

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can you post pics of them please?

PurposeBuilt · Sep 11, 2025

LevButlerov said:
@PurposeBuilt I have a request, can we TALK TO YOU and not to chatgpt please? i know you use it to "clean" up but it's not you.
Can you post your bloods and blur out personal info we can check ourselves.

can you post pics of them please?

I can maybe do screenshots. This was through one of the discount lab websites so I don't just have a single sheet of paper.

That is why I had chat GPT clean the blood work. All the stuff up top is me though not chatgpt.

I will try to use it even less.

LevButlerov · Sep 11, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I can maybe do screenshots. This was through one of the discount lab websites so I don't just have a single sheet of paper.

That is why I had chat GPT clean the blood work. All the stuff up top is me though not chatgpt.

I will try to use it even less.

Yes screen shots are welcome

but I really hate talking to chatgpt and so do many mods, but love talking to you our iron brother! big EVO family love, share it. @PurposeBuilt no matter how clean or dirty we will manage, but only talking to you.

PurposeBuilt · Sep 12, 2025

This is what the screen shots will look like i really don think it is going to help much more that is why i cleaned it up, but here it is.

Testosterone

Testosterone was done a little earlier in the month by my clinic ill have to look for the labs again. I only know what it is because i strip the data and put it in (dont hate me lol) a project i created to track through ChatGPT.

PSA: 1.1 ng/mL
Testosterone (Total): 921 ng/dL
Free Testosterone (Direct): 27.7 ng/dL
Estradiol: 58 pg/mL I have heard mixed things about this, i know fat aromatizes badly.
Hemoglobin A1c: 4.8 %

LevButlerov · Sep 12, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
This is what the screen shots will look like i really don think it is going to help much more that is why i cleaned it up, but here it is.

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Testosterone

Testosterone was done a little earlier in the month by my clinic ill have to look for the labs again. I only know what it is because i strip the data and put it in (dont hate me lol) a project i created to track through ChatGPT.

PSA: 1.1 ng/mL

Testosterone (Total): 921 ng/dL

Free Testosterone (Direct): 27.7 ng/dL

Estradiol: 58 pg/mL I have heard mixed things about this, i know fat aromatizes badly.

Hemoglobin A1c: 4.8 %

Ast is high and your estrogen is high, what are you taking for an ai? rehash your cycle here please

PurposeBuilt · Sep 12, 2025

I do 200mg/week which is what my trt clinic put me at. I have considered going down to like 150mg/week, but I have not really noticed any side effects. Although I have only been on trt a few months so i know i don't have a lot to compare it to.

I pin daily subq to try to mitigate the aromatization.

i have anastrozole 1 mg, but have not used it, because i have no symptoms. Or at least no gyno. And as I understand the conventional wisdom is don't take it unless you need it.

MY assumption has been that as i go through this recomp in the next six months, that my testosterone will raise and my e2 should go down. Which would be fine when running a cycle. And then at the end of the six months, when i was done running through the recomp or most of it i would drop down to 150mg for a long while and then see where everything was.

Also i have not started take most of the supplements i bought because i have been waiting on the last few things and everything is expensive so there is no point taking supplements before i really need to. So i am just basically doing a multi and creatine. As i am focusing on just getting my diet and exercise on point right now.

Allupfromhere · Sep 13, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I pin daily subq to try to mitigate the aromatization

Just be careful relying on this (daily pins) as it isnt the same for everyone. Yes daily pins smooths out peaks and troughs to a degree but that why the compounds are bind to an ester and have a half life also. A few fellas on here have experienced spikes in e2 regardless of everyday pinning, its all comes down to how we respond as individuals.

LevButlerov · Sep 13, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I do 200mg/week which is what my trt clinic put me at. I have considered going down to like 150mg/week, but I have not really noticed any side effects. Although I have only been on trt a few months so i know i don't have a lot to compare it to.

I pin daily subq to try to mitigate the aromatization.

i have anastrozole 1 mg, but have not used it, because i have no symptoms. Or at least no gyno. And as I understand the conventional wisdom is don't take it unless you need it.

MY assumption has been that as i go through this recomp in the next six months, that my testosterone will raise and my e2 should go down. Which would be fine when running a cycle. And then at the end of the six months, when i was done running through the recomp or most of it i would drop down to 150mg for a long while and then see where everything was.

Also i have not started take most of the supplements i bought because i have been waiting on the last few things and everything is expensive so there is no point taking supplements before i really need to. So i am just basically doing a multi and creatine. As i am focusing on just getting my diet and exercise on point right now.

At 200mg a week your e2 is most likely running higher than it should, even if you don’t feel sides yet. The smarter move is to use the anastrozole you already have and bring those levels back into range instead of waiting for gyno or other issues to show up. High estrogen can sneak up with water retention, mood swings, and it slows down fat loss, so correcting it early keeps you ahead. A low dose once or twice a week is usually enough to balance things without crashing it. Get bloodwork after a few weeks to make sure you’re sitting in that mid-range sweet spot. That way you protect your progress and stay consistent long term. @PurposeBuilt

PurposeBuilt · Sep 13, 2025

LevButlerov said:
At 200mg a week your e2 is most likely running higher than it should, even if you don’t feel sides yet. The smarter move is to use the anastrozole you already have and bring those levels back into range instead of waiting for gyno or other issues to show up. High estrogen can sneak up with water retention, mood swings, and it slows down fat loss, so correcting it early keeps you ahead. A low dose once or twice a week is usually enough to balance things without crashing it. Get bloodwork after a few weeks to make sure you’re sitting in that mid-range sweet spot. That way you protect your progress and stay consistent long term. @PurposeBuilt

Ok that makes sense. So what are you considering low dose, I know I need to be careful. Like .25 2x week. And then test and see?

LevButlerov · Sep 14, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Ok that makes sense. So what are you considering low dose, I know I need to be careful. Like .25 2x week. And then test and see?

Low dose is a start but you need to go slow in situations like this.

Allupfromhere · Sep 25, 2025

How you going brother you still chipping away?

PurposeBuilt · Sep 25, 2025

Allupfromhere said:
How you going brother you still chipping away?

Things are going well. I am down 6 more pounds to 310 so staying with my 3 pounds average a week, i was able to do this even with raising my calories up to 1800.

I have been playing around with the glp-1 doses, to lower it so it is easier to hit that number of calories. With lowering the tirz i have definitely struggled with occasionally cheating, but even on those days, I have noticed that i am still not hungry after the slip up and eat less when that happens, which is good, probably the worst thing is that makes it harder to hit my protein on those days.

But I also know building up self discipline is important to make this work long term, so I am just working on doing better as I go forward.

Cardio i am hitting 5 miles a day of walking/rucking more often then not. And yesterday i started adding in 6 sessions of 5 min cardio on the stationary bike i got for a steal. I am doing it throughout my workday. I work from home which is great except is part of the reason i ended up in this situation. I am planning to increase that by 1 min every week until i get to 10 min. That will be an extra hour of cardio a day on top of the 5 miles of walking.

I have alarms set for every workout, for getting up and going to bed. I am going to try to get really regimented through this winter, because that is the easiest time to slack off at least for me.

I am planning to Start cardarine and everything else when i get back from a wedding on Oct 13th. So i will be really pushing the cardio then, I just wanted to start the habit now.

Allupfromhere · Sep 25, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Things are going well. I am down 6 more pounds to 310 so staying with my 3 pounds average a week, i was able to do this even with raising my calories up to 1800.

I have been playing around with the glp-1 doses, to lower it so it is easier to hit that number of calories. With lowering the tirz i have definitely struggled with occasionally cheating, but even on those days, I have noticed that i am still not hungry after the slip up and eat less when that happens, which is good, probably the worst thing is that makes it harder to hit my protein on those days.

But I also know building up self discipline is important to make this work long term, so I am just working on doing better as I go forward.

Cardio i am hitting 5 miles a day of walking/rucking more often then not. And yesterday i started adding in 6 sessions of 5 min cardio on the stationary bike i got for a steal. I am doing it throughout my workday. I work from home which is great except is part of the reason i ended up in this situation. I am planning to increase that by 1 min every week until i get to 10 min. That will be an extra hour of cardio a day on top of the 5 miles of walking.

I have alarms set for every workout, for getting up and going to bed. I am going to try to get really regimented through this winter, because that is the easiest time to slack off at least for me.

I am planning to Start cardarine and everything else when i get back from a wedding on Oct 13th. So i will be really pushing the cardio then, I just wanted to start the habit now.

Brother this is amazing and well done

Congratulations on the further weight loss and excited to hear you were able to make this happen with an increase in calories too, keep the increases small each time.
None of us are perfect brother i mean none of us! There are always gonna be bumps in the road were we drift and that is perfectly normal, the main thing is that you are aware of it when it happens and adjust to suit the best you can. Its when we pretend we didnt slip is when it can become a problem! So be kind to yourself brother and just continue to acknowledge if these things happen and try to be a little stronger the next time you feel your self slip. Each time our will power becomes a little strong and we build the change in habit.

There will be some adjustments along the way with your glp dose as you begin to slowly increase your intake but this is a good thing. Your weight was still coming off, whilst you intake is slowing increasing and you are slowly needing less support for the glps.

This process need to go slow, no massive changes at once. We dont wont to shock the body from what is already working and has you in a productive mental state to keep grinding. <---- This is crucial.

Just remember what i mention too about the increase in food. If one week you increase the food and no weight has come off, dont add anymore the following week allow the weight loss to catch back up before any further increase. Gotta let the fire burn a little hotter before adding any more wood

Now for the cardio part, this is awesome. I want you to keep a couple things in mind here though. If your doing all the added cardio because you genuinely love it and are happy doing it then definitely keep going!
If your throwing all this extra cardio in because you feel like you just want to speed up the weight loss then dont throw it all in at once brother. You need to leave some csrds in the hand for your next play if things start to slow down. If we throw all our artillery in at once we have no healthy options left to chose if things stall. And we can just burn ourselves out physically and most of the time resulting in burning ourselves out mentally.

But as mentions if you are adding all the extra cardio because you a loving it then dont stop, we can always increase cardio if the love is alreadt there

You are fucking smashing this brother im really proud of you, lets keeps this going and i promise you will get to where you want to be.

Rome wasnt built in a day, it was brick by brick until it was finished.

Much love brother

PurposeBuilt · Sep 25, 2025

Allupfromhere said:
Brother this is amazing and well done
Congratulations on the further weight loss and excited to hear you were able to make this happen with an increase in calories too, keep the increases small each time.
None of us are perfect brother i mean none of us! There are always gonna be bumps in the road were we drift and that is perfectly normal, the main thing is that you are aware of it when it happens and adjust to suit the best you can. Its when we pretend we didnt slip is when it can become a problem! So be kind to yourself brother and just continue to acknowledge if these things happen and try to be a little stronger the next time you feel your self slip. Each time our will power becomes a little strong and we build the change in habit.

There will be some adjustments along the way with your glp dose as you begin to slowly increase your intake but this is a good thing. Your weight was still coming off, whilst you intake is slowing increasing and you are slowly needing less support for the glps.

This process need to go slow, no massive changes at once. We dont wont to shock the body from what is already working and has you in a productive mental state to keep grinding. <---- This is crucial.

Just remember what i mention too about the increase in food. If one week you increase the food and no weight has come off, dont add anymore the following week allow the weight loss to catch back up before any further increase. Gotta let the fire burn a little hotter before adding any more wood

Now for the cardio part, this is awesome. I want you to keep a couple things in mind here though. If your doing all the added cardio because you genuinely love it and are happy doing it then definitely keep going!
If your throwing all this extra cardio in because you feel like you just want to speed up the weight loss then dont throw it all in at once brother. You need to leave some csrds in the hand for your next play if things start to slow down. If we throw all our artillery in at once we have no healthy options left to chose if things stall. And we can just burn ourselves out physically and most of the time resulting in burning ourselves out mentally.

But as mentions if you are adding all the extra cardio because you a loving it then dont stop, we can always increase cardio if the love is alreadt there

You are fucking smashing this brother im really proud of you, lets keeps this going and i promise you will get to where you want to be.

Rome wasnt built in a day, it was brick by brick until it was finished.

Much love brother

Thank you so much. This post really means a lot. I do have to keep reminding myself to take me time. It is hard when I struggling so long with no success and now I have the tools I need. But thank you for the reminder. This is a long term goal. For life long fitness. The walking/ rucking is easy. It is so great for my mental health I have found I really need it. We will see about the stationary bike. Walking outside is great I have some great trails near me. Once winter is truly here it is not going to be as fun on the treadmill. But I am keeping that just as a backup. I will be walking outside until there it to much snow or its below freezing.

Allupfromhere · Sep 25, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Thank you so much. This post really means a lot. I do have to keep reminding myself to take me time. It is hard when I struggling so long with no success and now I have the tools I need. But thank you for the reminder. This is a long term goal. For life long fitness. The walking/ rucking is easy. It is so great for my mental health I have found I really need it. We will see about the stationary bike. Walking outside is great I have some great trails near me. Once winter is truly here it is not going to be as fun on the treadmill. But I am keeping that just as a backup. I will be walking outside until there it to much snow or its below freezing.

I completely understand brothe, i have been at the complete other end of where im at now and dont ever doubt yourself. Even a little bit everyday builds, it only stops when we stop.

Also keep on walking brother, i love long walks for this exact reason also. Its gives us som personal time to ourselves without the noise of everything/everyone else. Best time to reflect

Reach out for anything brother, any questions, even if its just to vent. You got the whole evo family behing ya legend

LevButlerov · Sep 25, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Things are going well. I am down 6 more pounds to 310 so staying with my 3 pounds average a week, i was able to do this even with raising my calories up to 1800.

I have been playing around with the glp-1 doses, to lower it so it is easier to hit that number of calories. With lowering the tirz i have definitely struggled with occasionally cheating, but even on those days, I have noticed that i am still not hungry after the slip up and eat less when that happens, which is good, probably the worst thing is that makes it harder to hit my protein on those days.

But I also know building up self discipline is important to make this work long term, so I am just working on doing better as I go forward.

Cardio i am hitting 5 miles a day of walking/rucking more often then not. And yesterday i started adding in 6 sessions of 5 min cardio on the stationary bike i got for a steal. I am doing it throughout my workday. I work from home which is great except is part of the reason i ended up in this situation. I am planning to increase that by 1 min every week until i get to 10 min. That will be an extra hour of cardio a day on top of the 5 miles of walking.

I have alarms set for every workout, for getting up and going to bed. I am going to try to get really regimented through this winter, because that is the easiest time to slack off at least for me.

I am planning to Start cardarine and everything else when i get back from a wedding on Oct 13th. So i will be really pushing the cardio then, I just wanted to start the habit now.

Dropping 6lbs while bumping calories to 1800 is solid progress, holding that 3lb per week average shows you’re in a good groove. Adjusting tirzepatide dose to make food more manageable makes sense, just keep pushing protein up on the days where hunger is lower so you don’t miss the mark. Walking 5 miles plus sneaking in bike sessions during work is a smart setup, that extra hour of cardio spread through the day will add up quick. Having alarms for training and sleep will keep you consistent, and once you bring in cardarine after the wedding the conditioning will ramp even harder.

EVO family support your way, and stay strong and update us more! @PurposeBuilt

PurposeBuilt · Sep 29, 2025

OK soooooo, you guys were right and i don't think i bumped my calories up in time, my sleep has just gotten terrible, i have tried several things to help and it is not working. (Cutting late night caffeine, adding ashwagandha magnesium, Melatonin supplements ect) I can go to sleep pretty well but i have been waking at 3am and then last night it was 2am. And it is hard to go back to sleep.

I didn't have this issue until the last week or so. And i can tell it is getting worse. Also i am more tired after walks and less recovery, it is taking longer for my body to recovery after working out. (So i posted this last night and i was so out of it i didn't hit post. So here i am Monday and it is not any better. I am exhausted, and not recovering like i have been.

at this point i am 70lbs down.

I have a wedding to go to on the weekend of Oct 10 and then i was going to really crank it up. But I am thinking that i need a break. I was reading that it might be a good idea, to come off the glp1s from now till then, and go to maintenance calories. For a week or two and then get back on when i come back after the wedding.

Then i should be refreshed for the next 70+ pounds. IF i did that, thien during the next two weeks i would also, maybe only walk 5000 steps a day instead of 10,000 and scale down my resistance training. I am not due for my next Glp1 shot till Thursday so i have time to think on it.

What do you guys all think?

LevButlerov · Sep 29, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
OK soooooo, you guys were right and i don't think i bumped my calories up in time, my sleep has just gotten terrible, i have tried several things to help and it is not working. (Cutting late night caffeine, adding ashwagandha magnesium, Melatonin supplements ect) I can go to sleep pretty well but i have been waking at 3am and then last night it was 2am. And it is hard to go back to sleep.

I didn't have this issue until the last week or so. And i can tell it is getting worse. Also i am more tired after walks and less recovery, it is taking longer for my body to recovery after working out. (So i posted this last night and i was so out of it i didn't hit post. So here i am Monday and it is not any better. I am exhausted, and not recovering like i have been.

at this point i am 70lbs down.

I have a wedding to go to on the weekend of Oct 10 and then i was going to really crank it up. But I am thinking that i need a break. I was reading that it might be a good idea, to come off the glp1s from now till then, and go to maintenance calories. For a week or two and then get back on when i come back after the wedding.

Then i should be refreshed for the next 70+ pounds. IF i did that, thien during the next two weeks i would also, maybe only walk 5000 steps a day instead of 10,000 and scale down my resistance training. I am not due for my next Glp1 shot till Thursday so i have time to think on it.

What do you guys all think?

Dropping 70lbs is a huge run and your body is clearly telling you it needs a reset. Waking up at 2-3am, slower recovery, and dragging through walks are all signs you’re running on fumes. Pulling food up to maintenance, backing steps down to 5000, and easing off training for a week or two will recharge you without undoing the progress.

Coming off the glp1 until after the wedding doesn't make sense, because you'll have hunger and insane urge to eat all of a sudden. You should dial back the dose to start off, what's your glp1 intake now? @PurposeBuilt

PurposeBuilt · Sep 29, 2025

LevButlerov said:
Dropping 70lbs is a huge run and your body is clearly telling you it needs a reset. Waking up at 2-3am, slower recovery, and dragging through walks are all signs you’re running on fumes. Pulling food up to maintenance, backing steps down to 5000, and easing off training for a week or two will recharge you without undoing the progress.

Coming off the glp1 until after the wedding doesn't make sense, because you'll have hunger and insane urge to eat all of a sudden. You should dial back the dose to start off, what's your glp1 intake now? @PurposeBuilt

Yeah I was wondering if that was a bad idea. I've heard people's hunger goes insane afterward. I currently am at 3.5 tirz and 2 reta.

LevButlerov · Sep 29, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Yeah I was wondering if that was a bad idea. I've heard people's hunger goes insane afterward. I currently am at 3.5 tirz and 2 reta.

I would stay on this dose imo.

PurposeBuilt · Oct 3, 2025

It is amazing what slowing down does for you. I have finally started being able to sleep through the night again. Already i am feeling better. This is exactly what i needed. I will be ready to hit it hard again i think come the 13th. Thank you all so much. It really is wonderful having all this knowledge and wisdom here at my fingertips.

I just have to keep reminding myself as i start to feel better to still not push it yet until i am more recovered.

LevButlerov · Oct 3, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
It is amazing what slowing down does for you. I have finally started being able to sleep through the night again. Already i am feeling better. This is exactly what i needed. I will be ready to hit it hard again i think come the 13th. Thank you all so much. It really is wonderful having all this knowledge and wisdom here at my fingertips.

I just have to keep reminding myself as i start to feel better to still not push it yet until i am more recovered.

That’s the right move, slowing down gives your body a real chance to reset and sleep coming back is proof of it. By the 13th you’ll be in a much better spot to hit things hard again, but staying patient until then will pay off bigger long term. The urge to push early is strong, just remember recovery is what makes the next run even better.

PurposeBuilt · Oct 7, 2025

Ok I am getting ready for my final push, or really starting my actual recomp.
I am currently at 305-310lbs depending on how well i do this weekend at the wedding. Right now i am at 306. So i haven't gained any fat in the deload.

Reminder of Game plan
Phase one is 12 weeks and i should drop from 310- 260 or more
Phase two is 8ish weeks i want to drop at least down to 240 i can extend as needed, it is basically another deload of drugs and pushing hard.
Phase three is losing the last 20 pounds and starting my full cycle.
- From what i understand if i stay on reta during this time at a lower dose, keep the cardio, and raise my calories i should be able to keep burning fat during this phase, while building real muscle
Phase 4 will be back to trt, and probably stay on reta for a bit to taper and loose any last little bit of fat I need. Basically ill be here till i go on another cycle in the future.

Phase 1 will be starting October 13th
Foundation
Test 200mg/wk
HCG 250iu 3x/wk
Retatrutide/Tirzepitide as needed, I am considering upping the dose of reta and droping Tirz just worried about food noise.
HGH 2-3iu/day- to save money probably only on 5 days a week

Added Fat Burning ability
Cardarine 20mg/day for 12 weeks
L- carnitine 500mg/day for 12 weeks

Anabolics- I have a couple choices here.
Anavar- I could run this at 10mg/day purpose being that most negative side effects on hdl will be mitigated with supplements and cardarine and it has great synergy with Carardine and l-carnitine in that it Increases free fatty acid oxidation
Primo- Couple reasons I am considering primo,
- First since i have added in hcg I know my e2 is going up, i am getting bloods to check it in two days. I would like to use primo to manage my e2 instead of an AI i would probably start at like 50-100mg/week to see how I do.
-Also i want to use primo as my main driver through my cycles in the future, so i want to try it out now see how i react ect before i spend a bunch for my phase 3 cycle.
-And i will also be able to take advantage better of the extra endurance cardarine is giving me to build more muscle, which will burn more calories over the long haul.
Both? Over 12 weeks i could run the low dose primo for all 12 weeks, and then for the last 8 weeks add in the anavar, i would get to test two compounds, get the benefits from both. And give me the motivation i need to really push hard during these 12 weeks. this is probably what i really want to do. But i am tying to be wise and patient.

Supplements
I have them all

Labs
Week 0- had a bunch of labs a couple weeks ago i posted, i am getting a few more Thursday, mainly to check cancer signs ect before starting hgh. And to see how the hcg is effecting me before deciding to supplement dhea, ect

Week 6: CMP, Lipids, E2

Week 12: CBC, CMP, Lipids, E2

LevButlerov · Oct 7, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Ok I am getting ready for my final push, or really starting my actual recomp.
I am currently at 305-310lbs depending on how well i do this weekend at the wedding. Right now i am at 306. So i haven't gained any fat in the deload.

Reminder of Game plan
Phase one is 12 weeks and i should drop from 310- 260 or more
Phase two is 8ish weeks i want to drop at least down to 240 i can extend as needed, it is basically another deload of drugs and pushing hard.
Phase three is losing the last 20 pounds and starting my full cycle.
From what i understand if i stay on reta during this time at a lower dose, keep the cardio, and raise my calories i should be able to keep burning fat during this phase.
Phase 4 will be back to trt, and probably stay on reta for a bit to taper and loose any last little bit i need. Basically ill be here till i go on another cycle in the future.

Phase 1 will be starting October 13th
Foundation
Test 200mg/wk
HCG 250iu 3x/wk
Retatrutide/Tirzepitide as needed, I am considering upping the dose of reta and droping Tirz just worried about food noise.
HGH 2-3iu/day- to save money probably only on 5 days a week

Added Fat Burning ability
Cardarine 20mg/day for 12 weeks
L- carnitine 500mg/day for 12 weeks

Anabolics- I have a couple choices here.
Anavar- I could run this at 10mg/day purpose being that negative side effects will be mitigated with supplements and cardarine and it has great synergy with Carradine and l-carnitine in that it Increases free fatty acid oxidation
Primo- Couple reasons I am considering primo, first since i have added in hcg i know my e2 is going up, im getting bloods to check it in two days. I would like to use primo to manage my e2 instead of an AI i would probably star at like 50-100mg/week to see how it does. Also i want to use anavar as my main driver through my cycles in the future so i want to try it out now see how i react ect before i spend a bunch for my phase 3 cycle. And i will also be able to take advantage better of the extra endurance cardarine is giving me.
Both? Over 12 weeks i could run the low dose primo for all 12 weeks, and then for the last 8 weeks add in the anavar, i would get to test two compounds, get the benefits from both. And give me the motivation i need to really push hard during these 12 weeks. this is probably what i really want to do. But i am tying to be wise and patient.

Supplements
I have them all

Labs
Week 0- had a bunch of labs a couple weeks ago i posted, i am getting a few more Thursday, mainly to check cancer signs ect before starting hgh. And to see how the hcg is effecting me before deciding to supplement dhea, ect

Week 6: CMP, Lipids, E2
Week 12: CBC, CMP, Lipids, E2

That’s a clear structure with smart progression laid out for the next 12 weeks. Running 200 mg test with 2–3 iu GH and 20 mg cardarine gw, will lean you down fast, and keeping retatrutide steady through each phase will help maintain appetite control and fat oxidation. @PurposeBuilt

Primobolan you sure you can get it?
Get labs at week 6 to track e2, and keep total calories around 2600–2800 while raising cardio frequency.

PurposeBuilt · Oct 7, 2025

LevButlerov said:
That’s a clear structure with smart progression laid out for the next 12 weeks. Running 200 mg test with 2–3 iu GH and 20 mg cardarine gw, will lean you down fast, and keeping retatrutide steady through each phase will help maintain appetite control and fat oxidation. @PurposeBuilt

Primobolan you sure you can get it?
Get labs at week 6 to track e2, and keep total calories around 2600–2800 while raising cardio frequency.

I have two 100mg/ml vials of Euro-pharma from one of the approved sources here. So i hope its good. Not sure if I can actually say where I got it from in this part of the forum.

So i technically can go all the way up to 200mg for 10 weeks, but that would put me at a 1 to 1 ratio of test, and as I understand depending on how it effects you that might be a bad idea. I actually have more test c also so i once i know the ratio i can run i can raise my test too if i want, but i was planning on saving that for later, when i can really throw the calories at it.

LevButlerov · Oct 7, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
I have two 100mg/ml vials of Euro-pharma from one of the approved sources here. So i hope its good. Not sure if I can actually say where I got it from in this part of the forum.

Euro pharma is gtg clean primobolan

@PurposeBuilt

PurposeBuilt said:
So i technically can go all the way up to 200mg for 10 weeks, but that would put me at a 1 to 1 ratio of test, and as I understand depending on how it effects you that might be a bad idea. I actually have more test c also so i once i know the ratio i can run i can raise my test too if i want, but i was planning on saving that for later, when i can really throw the calories at it.

I would go with 2:1 with test primo dont go 1 to 1.

PurposeBuilt · Oct 16, 2025

Starting phase 1 this week, my HGH should be here tomorrow.

I got some more blood work i wanted to share. I was looking at the effects from adding in hcg and also wanted to look at some of the markers for cancer before i started taking growth. Also i wanted a base line before starting growth. I did run my bloods for total test and some other standard things but they have not come back yet. But I think this is the important stuff right now anyway.

LevButlerov · Oct 16, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Starting phase 1 this week, my HGH should be here tomorrow.

I got some more blood work i wanted to share. I was looking at the effects from adding in hcg and also wanted to look at some of the markers for cancer before i started taking growth. Also i wanted a base line before starting growth. I did run my bloods for total test and some other standard things but they have not come back yet. But I think this is the important stuff right now anyway.

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I would have liked to see more bloods like prolactin @PurposeBuilt
Yes that’s a classic lab mix-up reading. The LC/MS result at 69 pg/mL is the one that counts since it isolates pure estradiol, and that’s definitely high for a male.

The total estrogen IA at 246 looks fine on paper but it’s not accurate because that test lumps in estrone and other inactive estrogens. Always manage your e2 based on the LC/MS number, not the IA, since that’s the one showing what’s actually active in your system.
We need to do something about your estrogen levels asap, adding aromasin would help.

Mobster · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Starting phase 1 this week, my HGH should be here tomorrow.

I got some more blood work i wanted to share. I was looking at the effects from adding in hcg and also wanted to look at some of the markers for cancer before i started taking growth. Also i wanted a base line before starting growth. I did run my bloods for total test and some other standard things but they have not come back yet. But I think this is the important stuff right now anyway.

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What did you yourself think of the results

PurposeBuilt · Oct 17, 2025

LevButlerov said:
I would have liked to see more bloods like prolactin @PurposeBuilt
Yes that’s a classic lab mix-up reading. The LC/MS result at 69 pg/mL is the one that counts since it isolates pure estradiol, and that’s definitely high for a male.

The total estrogen IA at 246 looks fine on paper but it’s not accurate because that test lumps in estrone and other inactive estrogens. Always manage your e2 based on the LC/MS number, not the IA, since that’s the one showing what’s actually active in your system.
We need to do something about your estrogen levels asap, adding aromasin would help.

Yes i must have ordered the total estrogen by mistake, i was only looking at the e2.

I have had my e2 hover right around this number since i started trt. It seemed like most people said dont take the AI until you have symptoms, because of the side effects of the AI. I have anastrozole.

ONe of the reasons i wanted to run primo was to use it as an AI possibly. I am doing 100mg primo a week added to my 200mg test a week.

So do you think that prolactin is a better measure then progesterone? I was trying to figure out how my HCG was working and i thought that and DHEA were what i needed to optimize them.

I also am now concerned that my HCG is bunk. Both my e2 and my total t are about what they were before taking hcg, i am only doing 250iu 3x/wk but i expected them to rise more. I should have checked my dhea and progesterone before starting it so i can compare. Or i may have just got it checked too soon it has been about a month on HCG.

Here are the rest of my results.

PurposeBuilt · Oct 17, 2025

Mobster said:
What did you yourself think of the results

As far as i can tell i am pretty good to go with taking HGH as far as cancer concerns go from what i see.

I have had had this level of e2 with no symptoms since i started so i wasn't terribly worried. From what i have been told by others, it is better to wait till you have symptoms before taking an AI because they come with their own side effects. But it might be better for me to see how i feel by trying to lower it and see if it feels better.

I know in the podcast Steve said there are some issues with having high e2 even if you don't feel it. I was not exactly sure when that threshold was. I don't remember if he said.

Love the podcast by the way it have been binging them all, and I have made it about 90% through them in the last few months. I really appreciate you guys putting your expertise out there.

stevesmi · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Starting phase 1 this week, my HGH should be here tomorrow.

I got some more blood work i wanted to share. I was looking at the effects from adding in hcg and also wanted to look at some of the markers for cancer before i started taking growth. Also i wanted a base line before starting growth. I did run my bloods for total test and some other standard things but they have not come back yet. But I think this is the important stuff right now anyway.

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@PurposeBuilt with cancer it will feed off estrogen obviously. but also it will feed on androgens. so if you are concerned about cancer is a good idea to do a lot of fasting as it will cause autophagy in the body

PurposeBuilt · Oct 17, 2025

stevesmi said:
@PurposeBuilt with cancer it will feed off estrogen obviously. but also it will feed on androgens. so if you are concerned about cancer is a good idea to do a lot of fasting as it will cause autophagy in the body

Steve thanks so much for commenting. It is so cool to get to listen to you and mobster so much on the podcast and then to have you commenting. I have learned so much.

So for cancer feeding off estrogen, then do i need to try to keep my e2 in the reference range or with in a certain percentage of it? I am at 69 right now, that is over double the top end.

I definitely believe in fasting. I am struggling to figure out how to do that while hitting my protein goals and on a glp1. It is just a balance i have to figure out.

I am not all that concerned about cancer, i don't have a problem with it in my family or anything. I know he gets mixed reviews here but vigerousteve recommended that you get some tests done before starting GH just in case. I couldn't afford to do all that he recommended but i figured i could do some basics just to make sure. I bought the GH before i got bloods because i wasn't that worried.

stevesmi · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Steve thanks so much for commenting. It is so cool to get to listen to you and mobster so much on the podcast and then to have you commenting. I have learned so much.

So for cancer feeding off estrogen, then do i need to try to keep my e2 in the reference range or with in a certain percentage of it? I am at 69 right now, that is over double the top end.

I definitely believe in fasting. I am struggling to figure out how to do that while hitting my protein goals and on a glp1. It is just a balance i have to figure out.

I am not all that concerned about cancer, i don't have a problem with it in my family or anything. I know he gets mixed reviews here but vigerousteve recommended that you get some tests done before starting GH just in case. I couldn't afford to do all that he recommended but i figured i could do some basics just to make sure. I bought the GH before i got bloods because i wasn't that worried.

keeping your estrogen in line will go a long way. this is why women who survive breast cancer are put on anti estrogen drugs for years after to prevent it from coming back

ceo · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Steve thanks so much for commenting. It is so cool to get to listen to you and mobster so much on the podcast and then to have you commenting. I have learned so much.

So for cancer feeding off estrogen, then do i need to try to keep my e2 in the reference range or with in a certain percentage of it? I am at 69 right now, that is over double the top end.

I definitely believe in fasting. I am struggling to figure out how to do that while hitting my protein goals and on a glp1. It is just a balance i have to figure out.

I am not all that concerned about cancer, i don't have a problem with it in my family or anything. I know he gets mixed reviews here but vigerousteve recommended that you get some tests done before starting GH just in case. I couldn't afford to do all that he recommended but i figured i could do some basics just to make sure. I bought the GH before i got bloods because i wasn't that worried.

bros they podcast the best. i listen to every episode too. cancer no joke but prevention always best @PurposeBuilt

Ulter · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Yes i must have ordered the total estrogen by mistake, i was only looking at the e2.

I have had my e2 hover right around this number since i started trt. It seemed like most people said dont take the AI until you have symptoms, because of the side effects of the AI. I have anastrozole.

ONe of the reasons i wanted to run primo was to use it as an AI possibly. I am doing 100mg primo a week added to my 200mg test a week.

So do you think that prolactin is a better measure then progesterone? I was trying to figure out how my HCG was working and i thought that and DHEA were what i needed to optimize them.

I also am now concerned that my HCG is bunk. Both my e2 and my total t are about what they were before taking hcg, i am only doing 250iu 3x/wk but i expected them to rise more. I should have checked my dhea and progesterone before starting it so i can compare. Or i may have just got it checked too soon it has been about a month on HCG.

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highly unlikely your hcg is bunk unless you bought it from some nobody place @PurposeBuilt i just think maybe you are misunderstanding the benefits of hcg. that is alll

PurposeBuilt · Oct 17, 2025

Ulter said:
highly unlikely your hcg is bunk unless you bought it from some nobody place @PurposeBuilt i just think maybe you are misunderstanding the benefits of hcg. that is alll

That is entirely possible, I am definitely not taking it to raise my test, and i know i am taking a pretty low dose i just thought that it would raise my test level and i would be able to see that. But it might be so little compared to my 200/wk it is not noticeable.

2Thick · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
As far as i can tell i am pretty good to go with taking HGH as far as cancer concerns go from what i see.

I have had had this level of e2 with no symptoms since i started so i wasn't terribly worried. From what i have been told by others, it is better to wait till you have symptoms before taking an AI because they come with their own side effects. But it might be better for me to see how i feel by trying to lower it and see if it feels better.

I know in the podcast Steve said there are some issues with having high e2 even if you don't feel it. I was not exactly sure when that threshold was. I don't remember if he said.

Love the podcast by the way it have been binging them all, and I have made it about 90% through them in the last few months. I really appreciate you guys putting your expertise out there.

the podcast is awesome. its no wonder its become the best bodybuilder podcast out there. we need more like that cause most of the content out there sucks lol @PurposeBuilt

LevButlerov · Oct 17, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Yes i must have ordered the total estrogen by mistake, i was only looking at the e2.

I have had my e2 hover right around this number since i started trt. It seemed like most people said dont take the AI until you have symptoms, because of the side effects of the AI. I have anastrozole.

ONe of the reasons i wanted to run primo was to use it as an AI possibly. I am doing 100mg primo a week added to my 200mg test a week.

So do you think that prolactin is a better measure then progesterone? I was trying to figure out how my HCG was working and i thought that and DHEA were what i needed to optimize them.

I also am now concerned that my HCG is bunk. Both my e2 and my total t are about what they were before taking hcg, i am only doing 250iu 3x/wk but i expected them to rise more. I should have checked my dhea and progesterone before starting it so i can compare. Or i may have just got it checked too soon it has been about a month on HCG.

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Your e2 staying stable around that range on 200 mg test per week is perfectly fine, especially with no symptoms. You’re right to hold the AI until there’s a clear need, as anastrozole often crashes e2 and causes more harm than mild elevation.

Primo can act as a mild AI through its DHT activity, but it's not in stock now for most guys, you should go with Eq instead.
Prolactin is more useful than progesterone for tracking HCG response since it reflects dopaminergic tone and pituitary feedback. If HCG were legit, you’d usually see a small bump in total T and a mild rise in e2 within 3–4 weeks, so it’s worth checking serum hCG directly or switching to another vial to confirm potency. @PurposeBuilt and why do you want to use hcg? its estrogenic.

Ulter · Oct 18, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
That is entirely possible, I am definitely not taking it to raise my test, and i know i am taking a pretty low dose i just thought that it would raise my test level and i would be able to see that. But it might be so little compared to my 200/wk it is not noticeable.

it will mimic LH.

PurposeBuilt · Nov 11, 2025

Ok so i have the first set of my latest blood test mid "cycle". Currently on 200mg test cyp, 100mg primo weekly. 20mg Cardarine, 600mg L-carnitine daily. 10mg Tirzepitide weekly, and 3iu hgh 5 days a week. I just added in 20mg anavar a day for the last 7 weeks of this phase.

I am down to 293lbs. That is a total of 90pounds lost from when i started my journey in May. It is not as fast as when i started but ti is still pretty consistent.

Here is my latest blood work. MY lipid panel should be coming soon.

LevButlerov · Nov 11, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Ok so i have the first set of my latest blood test mid "cycle". Currently on 200mg test cyp, 100mg primo weekly. 20mg Cardarine, 600mg L-carnitine daily. 10mg Tirzepitide weekly, and 3iu hgh 5 days a week. I just added in 20mg anavar a day for the last 7 weeks of this phase.

I am down to 293lbs. That is a total of 90pounds lost from when i started my journey in May. It is not as fast as when i started but ti is still pretty consistent.

Here is my latest blood work. MY lipid panel should be coming soon.
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welcome back to the EVO family

@PurposeBuilt
your e2 is too high on that test, you need to add an ai

and congratulations on the weight drop, how about updated pics?

Mobster · Nov 12, 2025

90lbs is crazy good!

stevesmi · Nov 12, 2025

PurposeBuilt said:
Ok so i have the first set of my latest blood test mid "cycle". Currently on 200mg test cyp, 100mg primo weekly. 20mg Cardarine, 600mg L-carnitine daily. 10mg Tirzepitide weekly, and 3iu hgh 5 days a week. I just added in 20mg anavar a day for the last 7 weeks of this phase.

I am down to 293lbs. That is a total of 90pounds lost from when i started my journey in May. It is not as fast as when i started but ti is still pretty consistent.

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@PurposeBuilt make sure you get that estrogen lower. you never want to have high estrogen for any length of time. its very risky

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