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it's possible but unlikely, after you stop dbol you would likely crash hard within a week and thats what I saw with clients
but i thought you're on dbol to get trt or something like that?
Yeah i know ill crash hard but im gonna give myself like a month to see what happens.ive been perpetually crashed for years so its not like i cant handle it. The option to get on t long term is on the cards 4sure.
 
Yeah i know ill crash hard but im gonna give myself like a month to see what happens.ive been perpetually crashed for years so its not like i cant handle it. The option to get on t long term is on the cards 4sure.
I mean do you have an issue with not getting on test? you can swap dbol for test now right bro
why put yourself into emotional rollercoaster
 
Shrugs 100kg x12x3
Bb curls 35kgx10x3
Db skulls 17.5kgx10x3
Machine close Rows 100kgx10x3

45min endurance circuit. Someone got me in the rib in sparring, now training anything, moving and breathing is pretty painful. Its a muscle on the outside not the bone i think. Can still train at like 90% despite the pain but its really testing. Not gonna spar for a while. If i cant train properly or work around it im gonna pause the dbol for a bit and just stay on the eq.
 
Gonna frontload eq accordingly.
Wk1 200mg eod
Wk2 150mg /3d
onward 200/5d
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2nd entry should be wk2 -wk2 but effectively the same
 
Shrugs 100kg x12x3
Bb curls 35kgx10x3
Db skulls 17.5kgx10x3
Machine close Rows 100kgx10x3

45min endurance circuit. Someone got me in the rib in sparring, now training anything, moving and breathing is pretty painful. Its a muscle on the outside not the bone i think. Can still train at like 90% despite the pain but its really testing. Not gonna spar for a while. If i cant train properly or work around it im gonna pause the dbol for a bit and just stay on the eq.
good training day bro ;) 45 min you did good
how much eq did you start?
 
Just did a little squat sesh with 100kg
X12 x10 x10
Surprised how ez it was considering how unstable my warmups were. (Hip instability during squats is how i got a disc injury). Id say this is my first real squat session since starting back up. Just been doing leg presses the past couple weeks to get my quads back up.
( Not sure if ive said But up until 2 weeks ago i hadnt been lifting for about 6 months.) Hoping to get back to a 160 squat, though it will be estimated as im not risking 1rm.

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@RonnieG looking strong bro!
 
Switched to 1x 20mg in the morning. Feels better. Sleep better. Also less e2 conversion, bc a higher dose is limited by aromatase, whereas a split dose spaced hours apart is not. Have been really busy with work etc. so with that plus training and having to eat every 2 hours to avoid dying of starvation, havent bothered with the log sorry. 92.5kg. Will do a proper update when i get some breathing room.
 
Switched to 1x 20mg in the morning. Feels better. Sleep better. Also less e2 conversion, bc a higher dose is limited by aromatase, whereas a split dose spaced hours apart is not. Have been really busy with work etc. so with that plus training and having to eat every 2 hours to avoid dying of starvation, havent bothered with the log sorry. 92.5kg. Will do a proper update when i get some breathing room.
good update bro but you switching from 10mgs to 20mgs dbol up and down, how are you knowing that your e2 is better? @RonnieG
 
good update bro but you switching from 10mgs to 20mgs dbol up and down, how are you knowing that your e2 is better? @RonnieG
I had upped to 10mg twice daily a few days ago and had trouble sleeping. The 20/day was happening either way. Mpmd has an article with studies that show as soon as you start moving above the natural range with test, the t/e2 ratio goes up, as in you start converting less e2 relatively. Dbol takes longer (than t>e2) to aromatise into methylestradiol (occupies the enzyme for longer presumably.) So 20mg SHOULD push past that point where aromatase becomes mostly occupied and the conversion rate slows down. If you split it in half, and then dose again in a few hours, you are allowing maximum aromatization for the entire daily dose. Theoretically ofc.
 
I had upped to 10mg twice daily a few days ago and had trouble sleeping. The 20/day was happening either way. Mpmd has an article with studies that show as soon as you start moving above the natural range with test, the t/e2 ratio goes up, as in you start converting less e2 relatively. Dbol takes longer (than t>e2) to aromatise into methylestradiol (occupies the enzyme for longer presumably.) So 20mg SHOULD push past that point where aromatase becomes mostly occupied and the conversion rate slows down. If you split it in half, and then dose again in a few hours, you are allowing maximum aromatization for the entire daily dose. Theoretically ofc.
10mgs I've seen the discussion on low dose dbol and tried it myself but it was suppressive, and a few clients had bloods over the years with low dose dbol but if you feel good on it lets play this out bro ;) hit it
you need to be doing high protein, where you at now? @RonnieG

also you from NZ right? saw guys complaining about nz sources you should have your guy come on and post his intro
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/new-zealand-approved-sources.260/
 
10mgs I've seen the discussion on low dose dbol and tried it myself but it was suppressive, and a few clients had bloods over the years with low dose dbol but if you feel good on it lets play this out bro ;) hit it
you need to be doing high protein, where you at now? @RonnieG

also you from NZ right? saw guys complaining about nz sources you should have your guy come on and post his intro
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/new-zealand-approved-sources.260/

Pushing for 300g daily. Been getting at least 250 at worst. My guy is this guy:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/i-am-vouching-for-a-nz-source-if-you-need-one.101683/

Gonna do another 4.5 weeks (8wks total). Then come off. Then start low dose nolva after a few weeks. Then try and maintain as much as i can for another month (2 months off). Then do it again but loading the eq a wk before before starting dbol. And will prob do 30mg.

only thing im watching for is how my hair looks at the end of those 2 months off. I had a shed in the second week. Thing is, it doesnt 5 alpha reduce, so either it causes hair loss through another mechanism OR it is just a shed like you would get from starting finasteride, and what causes the hair loss in people is stacking with test, or the test rebound afterwards.
Logic:
If you take test + dbol, they will compete for aromatase. You end up with more free test converting to dht.

T only, normal dht conversion.

Dbol only .No dht conversion. Test is crushed so very low dht conversion from that.

Lets see
 
Pushing for 300g daily. Been getting at least 250 at worst. My guy is this guy:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/i-am-vouching-for-a-nz-source-if-you-need-one.101683/

Gonna do another 4.5 weeks (8wks total). Then come off. Then start low dose nolva after a few weeks. Then try and maintain as much as i can for another month (2 months off). Then do it again but loading the eq a wk before before starting dbol. And will prob do 30mg.

only thing im watching for is how my hair looks at the end of those 2 months off. I had a shed in the second week. Thing is, it doesnt 5 alpha reduce, so either it causes hair loss through another mechanism OR it is just a shed like you would get from starting finasteride, and what causes the hair loss in people is stacking with test, or the test rebound afterwards.
Logic:
If you take test + dbol, they will compete for aromatase. You end up with more free test converting to dht.

T only, normal dht conversion.

Dbol only .No dht conversion. Test is crushed so very low dht conversion from that.

Lets see
@RonnieG yea I saw you suggestion him, did he come on and post you talk to him?

On coming off you can come off, but I would go with nolvadex and a test booster at least get something like tribulus or fadogia with this.
 
my blood pressure is testing at 135-147/61-68 in the evenings, despite being heavier. so either:
-the EQ has brought my e2 down.
-consciously avoiding excess salt worked.
-topical min is reducing it slightly
-my bp is still high in the morning after dosing, and this is just reflective of the dbol levels dropping in the evening.

will test on Saturday morning a couple hours after dose to check.

also being looking into cycles and what is appropriate for me in the future. obviously, you have something like deca/test/primo, which on paper looks great right, you get the anabolic effect of all three, the test provides some dht while the primo keeps e2 down. but here's the thing. I don't need to feel particularly good while I'm on steroids, id rather feel better while I'm off and just work to maintain a % of the muscle built while on.

That wouldn't be a compromise to consider if hair loss wasn't in question. I've realised my perpetual lack of sex drive is most likely a DHT issue and not an e2 issue as i thought before. Now I've felt what it's like being high e2 - it's very calming but i don't feel particularly driven as a man/libido is still low. i can get hard with some effort, just no drive to follow through. I'm driven to train because psychologically I want to make the most out of these compounds in the short time I'm using them, but i don't feel like an animal at all.

my point is, i could do something like a deca-only with some dbol sprinkled in to keep some e2 there and just deal with no dht/deca dick for a couple months while I'm on. I'm dealing with it now and its fine. and then when i come off i can nolva/clomid myself back to having some dht and sex drive for a couple months before doing another cycle. i wouldn't mind just having a dedicated couple months to fucking/normal life and then like 2-3 months for gains AND hair retention (pretty unheard of, but pharmacologically it checks out.)

Im going to be a lab rat and try it anyway. one drawback to how i feel right now is im almost too calm. similar to what you would see with ssri use. like i just don't care about anything except hitting the gym. not a bad feeling at all, just probably wouldn't want to be like this forever, lacking vigor would be a good way to put it. but its a good contrast to how strung out ive been feeling for the past 3 years.
 
@RonnieG have you considered that EQ will suppress you and crash your E2 after the dbol is over? it has a long half life so it's going to take a while to get out of your system. If you aren't running the DBOL or any other test base with it you're going to have some very bad low t and high E2 sides for 4-6 weeks post cycle.
 
@RonnieG have you considered that EQ will suppress you and crash your E2 after the dbol is over? it has a long half life so it's going to take a while to get out of your system. If you aren't running the DBOL or any other test base with it you're going to have some very bad low t and high E2 sides for 4-6 weeks post cycle.
Yep i am stopping the e2 3 weeks before the dbol. Which made it a bit pointless. But learning. Will start it 1 or 2 weeks earlier next cycle frontloaded, alongside deca or npp and then add like 10-20mg dbol as soon as i start feeling low e2 (as little dbol as possible so i can try run for 12 weeks with liver check towards wk8. This cycle should be hair restorative in theory. Ill take photos of hair line and bald spot b4 and after.
 
Heres a comparison. No pump in either under same lighting for fairness. Obviously dont look like im on anything. But considering the low dose and weight gained im pretty happy with how this has gone so far. A taste of what will come with future cycles.
88kg. 93kg. 4wks
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