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RonnieG

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Ive been asked to log my dianabol only cycle despite not really wanting to. but if i run into issues it may be beneficial to me down the line so.. First to pre-emptively address every other comment that will be asking "why?": because. thank you.

Ok so i started lifting in HS for like 2.5 years age 16-18:
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Got depressed stopped lifting. looked like this at like 22, 6'1 76kg:
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Started up again in 2020. Did this in 14 months. 82kg to 93kg. not even sure how i did it, was drinking like crazy and not sleeping well and running on pure caffeine. my body just randomly decided to produce hormones again. ill never understand what happened. but i was training so hard i slipped a disc in my back and got sciatica. anyway youll understand why i subscribe to the training > diet/sleep/lifestyle argument personally:
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soon after this i noticed my hair falling out so i took fin for 3 months. started to notice i was turning into a female emotionally like crying a lot and like acting like a mom to my friends. stopped fin. slowly developed complete dysphoria and anhedonia, deepest darkest depression of my life. everyone ditched. after 2 years i found the only thing that gave relief was 9mg of boron a day. i figured this meant i probably had low free t and e2. Doc gave me a test test. 475ng/dl. pretty useless without knowing what it was before. looked online for clinics or somewhere to get bloods done. couldn't find anything close so gave up. (now i realise there actually is heaps around so ill get that done when i can afford it.)

anyways fast forward to 5 days ago 88kg, 3 days on, i did some pushups before the second shot cause i needed to. second pic im 0.5kg lighter somehow despite the appetite increase and my compliance in satiating it:
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Ive naturally almost immediately upped calories by about 40%. and really making an effort to hit 200g protein. just guesswork with fats (feel based protocol) and carbs as i need them. whats weird is im hungry but it feels like my stomach is clogged. probably needs to stretch to accommodate the extra food. glad i started low. 5mgx2(10mg)/day for the first three days and then the next 2 were 7.5mgx2. starting on 10 tomorrow. from reading around it seems like with this compound you wanna go short and hard as opposed to what i was originally gonna do which was slow and low. so gonna ramp it up to 20 gauging how i feel with each incremental increase. i get its still low.

5mg was powerful the first time. now it has normalised and i dont feel it nearly as much so thats how im gauging the increases. anyway a big thing is it has temporarily cured every mental ailment ive had for my entire adult life. which is probably an indicator that i need to be on TRT long term, which can be pursued after i get bloods done etc. but gonna have some fun with this rn anyway. also my nips have never been smaller. also i have the insatiable urge to cuddle smaller guys and tell them everything's ok.

biggest question i have is should i split 3 ways instead and do a third at night just to stay anabolic the whole time since im keeping this cycle shorter now (6 weeks at ~20mg as opposed to 12wk at 10mg). my thinking was if its pretty much out of my system when i go to bed, at least my balls will be trying to begin the process of making test towards the morning even though they wont make much, and then presumably when i come off ill bounce back quicker. or do i just go full crush to make the most of it and then come off and deal with the aftermath (which might be the same either way). i guess we dont really have the science to answer that rn. anyway the plan is to come off and then do it again a month or so later to let the old cirrhosis heal. (i genuinely probably have cirrhosis ive almost died from alcohol multiple times. but doc says liver is fine.) obviously im not touching a drop while on.

Also do i need more sleep while on or less? i remember derek mcplaydates saying u can sleep less on test or something. ive been going to bed a little earlier but it gives me cheat mode energy anyway. and yeah im worried if i take it at night i wont sleep but if its worth the anabolism ill try it at least and see if i can.

im taking NAC TUDSCA and fish oil and a Multi once a day. and electrolytes during training and magnesium at night.
 
out of curiosity why not just run test? will be much safer and you can be on for longer, so more gains. good start bro.

sleep wise more is always better, thats when you grow. also the dbol will suppress you completely, spiltting doses won't change the negative feedback to your HPTA. make sure you have PCT on-hand aswell
 
fat slag said:
out of curiosity why not just run test? will be much safer and you can be on for longer, so more gains. good start bro.

sleep wise more is always better, thats when you grow. also the dbol will suppress you completely, spiltting doses won't change the negative feedback to your HPTA. make sure you have PCT on-hand aswell
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i cant get hcg or id be running it natty, my balls suck balls. what else can i use to kickstart the rebound? or you mean have an ai on hand? cialis gives me suicide e2 symptoms after like 3 days so ill just use that if i get milky.
 
RonnieG said:
i cant get hcg or id be running it natty, my balls suck balls. what else can i use to kickstart the rebound? or you mean have an ai on hand? cialis gives me suicide e2 symptoms after like 3 days so ill just use that if i get milky.
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i mean clomid + nolva to rebound post cycle, better to get everything early incase you have issues with your lab, postage ect. cialis gives you e2 symptoms?? it doesn't do anything related to estrogen, will just make blood flow around your body better. AI on hand is needed 100% with dbol as well, wouldnt use it until you get symptoms though. there's heaps of sources for HCG on here regardless of where you're from.
 
fat slag said:
i mean clomid + nolva to rebound post cycle, better to get everything early incase you have issues with your lab, postage ect. cialis gives you e2 symptoms?? it doesn't do anything related to estrogen, will just make blood flow around your body better. AI on hand is needed 100% with dbol as well, wouldnt use it until you get symptoms though. there's heaps of sources for HCG on here regardless of where you're from.
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no. cialis is supposedly a relatively mild AI. i used it for dicksoft and realised it made me really sad and anhedonic and my dick went completely numb, which is a sign of very low e2. actually not sad just empty feeling.
 
RonnieG said:
Ive been asked to log my dinosaur-bowl only cycle despite not really wanting to. but if i run into issues it may be beneficial to me down the line so.. First to pre-emptively address every other comment that will be asking "why?": because. thank you.

Ok so i started lifting in HS for like 2.5 years age 16-18:
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Got depressed stopped lifting. looked like this at like 22, 6'1 76kg:
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Started up again in 2020. Did this in 14 months. 82kg to 93kg. not even sure how i did it, was drinking like crazy and not sleeping well and running on pure caffeine. my body just randomly decided to produce hormones again. ill never understand what happened. but i was training so hard i slipped a disc in my back and got sciatica. anyway youll understand why i subscribe to the training > diet/sleep/lifestyle argument personally:
View attachment 61547

soon after this i noticed my hair falling out so i took fin for 3 months. started to notice i was turning into a female emotionally like crying a lot and like acting like a mom to my friends. stopped fin. slowly developed complete dysphoria and anhedonia, deepest darkest depression of my life. everyone ditched. after 2 years i found the only thing that gave relief was 9mg of boron a day. i figured this meant i probably had low free t and e2. Doc gave me a test test. 475ng/dl. pretty useless without knowing what it was before. looked online for clinics or somewhere to get bloods done. couldn't find anything close so gave up. (now i realise there actually is heaps around so ill get that done when i can afford it.)

anyways fast forward to 5 days ago 88kg, 3 days on, i did some pushups before the second shot cause i needed to. second pic im 0.5kg lighter somehow despite the appetite increase and my compliance in satiating it:
View attachment 61557

Ive naturally almost immediately upped calories by about 40%. and really making an effort to hit 200g protein. just guesswork with fats (feel based protocol) and carbs as i need them. whats weird is im hungry but it feels like my stomach is clogged. probably needs to stretch to accommodate the extra food. glad i started low. 5mgx2(10mg)/day for the first three days and then the next 2 were 7.5mgx2. starting on 10 tomorrow. from reading around it seems like with this compound you wanna go short and hard as opposed to what i was originally gonna do which was slow and low. so gonna ramp it up to 20 gauging how i feel with each incremental increase. i get its still low.

5mg was powerful the first time. now it has normalised and i dont feel it nearly as much so thats how im gauging the increases. anyway a big thing is it has temporarily cured every mental ailment ive had for my entire adult life. which is probably an indicator that i need to be on TRT long term, which can be pursued after i get bloods done etc. but gonna have some fun with this rn anyway. also my nips have never been smaller. also i have the insatiable urge to cuddle smaller guys and tell them everything's ok.

biggest question i have is should i split 3 ways instead and do a third at night just to stay anabolic the whole time since im keeping this cycle shorter now (6 weeks at ~20mg as opposed to 12wk at 10mg). my thinking was if its pretty much out of my system when i go to bed, at least my balls will be trying to begin the process of making test towards the morning even though they wont make much, and then presumably when i come off ill bounce back quicker. or do i just go full crush to make the most of it and then come off and deal with the aftermath (which might be the same either way). i guess we dont really have the science to answer that rn. anyway the plan is to come off and then do it again a month or so later to let the old cirrhosis heal. (i genuinely probably have cirrhosis ive almost died from alcohol multiple times. but doc says liver is fine.) obviously im not touching a drop while on.

Also do i need more sleep while on or less? i remember derek mcplaydates saying u can sleep less on test or something. ive been going to bed a little earlier but it gives me cheat mode energy anyway. and yeah im worried if i take it at night i wont sleep but if its worth the anabolism ill try it at least and see if i can.

im taking NAC TUDSCA and fish oil and a Multi once a day. and electrolytes during training and magnesium at night.
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RonnieG said:
i cant get hcg or id be running it natty, my balls suck balls. what else can i use to kickstart the rebound? or you mean have an ai on hand? cialis gives me suicide e2 symptoms after like 3 days so ill just use that if i get milky.
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@RonnieG you and I speak so I know your situation a bit, now fully want to welcome you to the big EVO family :)

Some things to discuss:

Cycle
You can use testosterone and you wouldnt need hcg for it.
Dbol will require PCT as well, so you would need tamoxifen clomid for recovery as well.
PCT is what makes your balls recover, fadogia as well with supplements like HCGenerate (dont think you can get in NZ)

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, if you have them would be great
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger, would be nice to see weights and sets if you can
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred as you go, every few weeks
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more :)
 
RonnieG said:
is any digestive enzyme supp ok? i could really use one right now. i feel like my stomach cant keep up. would probiotic yoghurt be redundant in that case? also you say HCG wouldn't be needed for test? wouldn't test suppress just as much long term?
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@RonnieG most brands are fine but I think you are limited by location.
Add probiotics on top of the yogurt as well.

HCG would be in theory needed for a lot but with your plan to go into TRT I dont think its an issue.
 
RonnieG said:
alright ima try a night dose tn and see if i can sleep.
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Wont do that again. Got like 2 hours sleep right at the end.. shame cause being anabolic while sleeping would be an advantage. And it was only 7.5mg so no point going lower. Gonna bump to 10mg 2x daily tomorrow after i get some digestion stuff.
 
RonnieG said:
Wont do that again. Got like 2 hours sleep right at the end.. shame cause being anabolic while sleeping would be an advantage. And it was only 7.5mg so no point going lower. Gonna bump to 10mg 2x daily tomorrow after i get some digestion stuff.
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you're saying you took dbol at night and couldn't sleep? @RonnieG
 
day 6:

Dosing:
6:30am: 7.5mg
11:30am: 7.5mg
3:30pm: 7.5mg

Eating:
7:30am: Protein bread Milk cup:
1731473357286.jpeg

2 scoops of whey.
2 tbsp peanut butter
2 slices white bread
400ml milk.
almost threw up.
~800cal
75g prot
55 carb
30 fat

11:30am: pIZZA time chicken time
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1x pizza
220g chicken
slapped.
~
1800cal
80g prot
100 carb
100 fat



1:00pm: 2 scoops of whey 400ml milk.

4:30pm: burger time
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1x burger
1x fries
2x aoli
1x strawberry thickshake
~
2941 cal
88 prot
180 fat
231 carbs

yet to eat dinner and will snack towards beddytime.

Total before dinner:
Cal: 5541
Protein: 303
Fat: 335
Carbs: 361

I would count everything and dial it in but i have just been so hungry the last 3 days and this is roughly how ive been eating. Obviously everything's higher than it needs to be on paper but i dunno like im im hungry im gonna eat so.. maybe i have aids?

Training:
12pm:
deadlifts 120kgx15x3 (gotta go light cause just starting up again due to past spinal injury.)
3x10 chins (but could only get like 6 reps the last 2 sets.
Bench 80kgx12x3 (again my reps drop off real bad with everything, 12 first, then 8 then 7).
rows 60kgx14x3
lying db skulls 15x3
curls same
shrugs
ab rollouts.
lateral raises.

Note: ive always been weaker than i look imo. also my rep ranges have always dropped off significantly after the first set.

5:30
Boxing circuit about an hour. do this like 4x a week unless im noticeably burned out then i skip a day. Im thinking i might have to shorten these sessions as it seems like the BOL has accelerated my metabolism, ive somehow lost weight in the first week despite eating way more.

Comparison Day 1 vs 6 (yeah its no pump vs pump cause it looks cooler) 88kg(left) vs 87.6kg(right):
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Thoughts:
so when natty, when i get hungry for just a little while i start to feel really dysphoric, and then when i eat, especially a protein shake, i feel all warm and fuzzy, its like my body is way overdoing the endorphin reaction to eating/not eating. the bOL has made this way worse. like if i dont eat every 1.5hrs i get really crappy feeling. at first i thought this was me getting shut down from it, as i felt it a bit yesterday afternoon, and a lot today (after raising the dose from 15-23mg), and i thought id need to up the dose to mitigate it. it might still be that, but part of me thinks its the opposite, where its speeding up my metabolism to the point where i genuinely cant get enough food (until my stomach stretches a bit more) making me feel dysphoric due to being in an inadvertent deficit. ive gone from feeling amazing on a 10-15mg daily dose to feeling a bit shit on 22.5mg dose. so i can test this by dropping the dose back down a bit and seeing if it feels better, or by raising the dose to 30mg to see if its better. but yeah obviously i need more calories even though ive almost doubled them since getting on. its really weird and unexpected. i thought id be like 2kg heavier by now. my muscles are fuller yet ive lost weight.

TLDR: today was the first day on 22.5mg split into 3, 4 hours apart. dilemma is should i go back down to see if i feel better before bumping up? thats what im gonna try tomorrow, going down to 2x7.5mg 6 hours apart. if i feel worse, the next day im going back up to 22.5, and then 30 the day after that with the plan of staying on 30 for the remaining 5 weeks.

do i just need to eat less? wtf is going on lmao. shit just remembered i came off wellbutrin a week ago which suppresses appetite and is an antidepressant... thats obviously a contributing factor. dont know what to do with the BOL dose in that case. might just stick where it is for now.
 
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RonnieG said:
Another thought. Maybe its a case of putting myself at what would be around the equiv. High Normal range on 10mg to probably significantly above at 20+mg. I guess "feeling good" and being as anabolic as possible are 2 very different things...
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Yeah this is whats happening. After cutting off the last dose at 3pm, towards the evening and up until the morning i felt how i did in 10mg -really good. This is also good because there is enough still in my sleep to keep me somewhat anabolic while not keeping me awake. So obviously the 15-22.5mg took me above a range that is good for me psychologically on the androgen side of things. So now based on this i have an actual plan:

Stay on 15mg/d for 6 weeks until i get to where i was at my peak natty a few years ago. Then come off for 4-6 weeks and try to maintain as much as i can while giving my liver and balls a break. Then get back on at the same dose for a couple weeks until i get back anything lost, and then for the remaining 4 weeks sit at an increased dose to try and blast past what i previously did while natty. And then maybe do it a third time at like 30mg just to really push it, if by that point im not producing milk. So yeah im doing 7.5×2. 6.30 am and 12.00pm
 
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first off i know guys who have been using oral only cycles for 20 years and are in perfect health

and the science doesn't support any evidence that using oral only cycles is worse then injectables when it comes to recovery. in fact keeping cycles short with orals makes it EASIER to recover. injectables take much longer since they have much longer esters

having said that over time it makes more sense to use injectables eventually since you can get more volume in via an injection. but nothing wrong with doing a cycle like this

twice a day of dbol is fine. don't get too hung up on the 'wanting to stay anabolic all night' bs. that is just bro science. dbol will actually be in your system 24 hours with 2 doses per day. the active life is 20 hours when you take it
 
stevesmi said:
first off i know guys who have been using oral only cycles for 20 years and are in perfect health

and the science doesn't support any evidence that using oral only cycles is worse then injectables when it comes to recovery. in fact keeping cycles short with orals makes it EASIER to recover. injectables take much longer since they have much longer esters

having said that over time it makes more sense to use injectables eventually since you can get more volume in via an injection. but nothing wrong with doing a cycle like this

twice a day of dbol is fine. don't get too hung up on the 'wanting to stay anabolic all night' bs. that is just bro science. dbol will actually be in your system 24 hours with 2 doses per day. the active life is 20 hours when you take it
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Epic. So with me realizing that i feel great and really balanced up to 7.5mg as a single dose, and 15 per day. Would it make sense to stay there for a first cycle (thats what im doing regardless). And on the other hand, would i likely see more anabolism above this range despite feeling like shit (anxiety, anhedonia etc) if in a later cycle i wanted to endure it for the gains? Not looking for a concrete answer cause everyone is different but does that tend to be the case?
 
RonnieG said:
day 6:

Dosing:
6:30am: 7.5mg
11:30am: 7.5mg
3:30pm: 7.5mg

Eating:
7:30am: Protein bread Milk cup:
View attachment 61783
2 scoops of whey.
2 tbsp peanut butter
2 slices white bread
400ml milk.
almost threw up.
~800cal
75g prot
55 carb
30 fat

11:30am: pIZZA time chicken time
View attachment 61784
1x pizza
220g chicken
slapped.
~
1800cal
80g prot
100 carb
100 fat



1:00pm: 2 scoops of whey 400ml milk.

4:30pm: burger time
View attachment 61788
1x burger
1x fries
2x aoli
1x strawberry thickshake
~
2941 cal
88 prot
180 fat
231 carbs

yet to eat dinner and will snack towards beddytime.

Total before dinner:
Cal: 5541
Protein: 303
Fat: 335
Carbs: 361

I would count everything and dial it in but i have just been so hungry the last 3 days and this is roughly how ive been eating. Obviously everything's higher than it needs to be on paper but i dunno like im im hungry im gonna eat so.. maybe i have aids?

Training:
12pm:
deadlifts 120kgx15x3 (gotta go light cause just starting up again due to past spinal injury.)
3x10 chins (but could only get like 6 reps the last 2 sets.
Bench 80kgx12x3 (again my reps drop off real bad with everything, 12 first, then 8 then 7).
rows 60kgx14x3
lying db skulls 15x3
curls same
shrugs
ab rollouts.
lateral raises.

Note: ive always been weaker than i look imo. also my rep ranges have always dropped off significantly after the first set.

5:30
Boxing circuit about an hour. do this like 4x a week unless im noticeably burned out then i skip a day. Im thinking i might have to shorten these sessions as it seems like the BOL has accelerated my metabolism, ive somehow lost weight in the first week despite eating way more.

Comparison Day 1 vs 6 (yeah its no pump vs pump cause it looks cooler) 88kg(left) vs 87.6kg(right):
View attachment 61795

Thoughts:
so when natty, when i get hungry for just a little while i start to feel really dysphoric, and then when i eat, especially a protein shake, i feel all warm and fuzzy, its like my body is way overdoing the endorphin reaction to eating/not eating. the bOL has made this way worse. like if i dont eat every 1.5hrs i get really crappy feeling. at first i thought this was me getting shut down from it, as i felt it a bit yesterday afternoon, and a lot today (after raising the dose from 15-23mg), and i thought id need to up the dose to mitigate it. it might still be that, but part of me thinks its the opposite, where its speeding up my metabolism to the point where i genuinely cant get enough food (until my stomach stretches a bit more) making me feel dysphoric due to being in an inadvertent deficit. ive gone from feeling amazing on a 10-15mg daily dose to feeling a bit shit on 22.5mg dose. so i can test this by dropping the dose back down a bit and seeing if it feels better, or by raising the dose to 30mg to see if its better. but yeah obviously i need more calories even though ive almost doubled them since getting on. its really weird and unexpected. i thought id be like 2kg heavier by now. my muscles are fuller yet ive lost weight.

TLDR: today was the first day on 22.5mg split into 3, 4 hours apart. dilemma is should i go back down to see if i feel better before bumping up? thats what im gonna try tomorrow, going down to 2x7.5mg 6 hours apart. if i feel worse, the next day im going back up to 22.5, and then 30 the day after that with the plan of staying on 30 for the remaining 5 weeks.

do i just need to eat less? wtf is going on lmao. shit just remembered i came off wellbutrin a week ago which suppresses appetite and is an antidepressant... thats obviously a contributing factor. dont know what to do with the BOL dose in that case. might just stick where it is for now.
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@RonnieG you can eat less for sure, but if you eat this much you need to take probiotics and digestive enzymes do you have access to them?
btw I do like the meal sharing awesome
you should drop back down to 10-15mgs of dbol see how you feel
 
make sure you're getting blood work done to keep your estrogen under control
 
I think that you'll have good results on this keeping it short will allow you to recover quicker
 
on nights you don't sleep well try to get in a nap a 2 or 3 hour nap goes a long way
 
definitely keep an eye on your estrogen even on that dose
 
you'll see some good results dianabol is the most dummy proof steroid out there
 
RonnieG said:
day 6:

Dosing:
6:30am: 7.5mg
11:30am: 7.5mg
3:30pm: 7.5mg

Eating:
7:30am: Protein bread Milk cup:
View attachment 61783
2 scoops of whey.
2 tbsp peanut butter
2 slices white bread
400ml milk.
almost threw up.
~800cal
75g prot
55 carb
30 fat

11:30am: pIZZA time chicken time
View attachment 61784
1x pizza
220g chicken
slapped.
~
1800cal
80g prot
100 carb
100 fat



1:00pm: 2 scoops of whey 400ml milk.

4:30pm: burger time
View attachment 61788
1x burger
1x fries
2x aoli
1x strawberry thickshake
~
2941 cal
88 prot
180 fat
231 carbs

yet to eat dinner and will snack towards beddytime.

Total before dinner:
Cal: 5541
Protein: 303
Fat: 335
Carbs: 361

I would count everything and dial it in but i have just been so hungry the last 3 days and this is roughly how ive been eating. Obviously everything's higher than it needs to be on paper but i dunno like im im hungry im gonna eat so.. maybe i have aids?

Training:
12pm:
deadlifts 120kgx15x3 (gotta go light cause just starting up again due to past spinal injury.)
3x10 chins (but could only get like 6 reps the last 2 sets.
Bench 80kgx12x3 (again my reps drop off real bad with everything, 12 first, then 8 then 7).
rows 60kgx14x3
lying db skulls 15x3
curls same
shrugs
ab rollouts.
lateral raises.

Note: ive always been weaker than i look imo. also my rep ranges have always dropped off significantly after the first set.

5:30
Boxing circuit about an hour. do this like 4x a week unless im noticeably burned out then i skip a day. Im thinking i might have to shorten these sessions as it seems like the BOL has accelerated my metabolism, ive somehow lost weight in the first week despite eating way more.

Comparison Day 1 vs 6 (yeah its no pump vs pump cause it looks cooler) 88kg(left) vs 87.6kg(right):
View attachment 61795

Thoughts:
so when natty, when i get hungry for just a little while i start to feel really dysphoric, and then when i eat, especially a protein shake, i feel all warm and fuzzy, its like my body is way overdoing the endorphin reaction to eating/not eating. the bOL has made this way worse. like if i dont eat every 1.5hrs i get really crappy feeling. at first i thought this was me getting shut down from it, as i felt it a bit yesterday afternoon, and a lot today (after raising the dose from 15-23mg), and i thought id need to up the dose to mitigate it. it might still be that, but part of me thinks its the opposite, where its speeding up my metabolism to the point where i genuinely cant get enough food (until my stomach stretches a bit more) making me feel dysphoric due to being in an inadvertent deficit. ive gone from feeling amazing on a 10-15mg daily dose to feeling a bit shit on 22.5mg dose. so i can test this by dropping the dose back down a bit and seeing if it feels better, or by raising the dose to 30mg to see if its better. but yeah obviously i need more calories even though ive almost doubled them since getting on. its really weird and unexpected. i thought id be like 2kg heavier by now. my muscles are fuller yet ive lost weight.

TLDR: today was the first day on 22.5mg split into 3, 4 hours apart. dilemma is should i go back down to see if i feel better before bumping up? thats what im gonna try tomorrow, going down to 2x7.5mg 6 hours apart. if i feel worse, the next day im going back up to 22.5, and then 30 the day after that with the plan of staying on 30 for the remaining 5 weeks.

do i just need to eat less? wtf is going on lmao. shit just remembered i came off wellbutrin a week ago which suppresses appetite and is an antidepressant... thats obviously a contributing factor. dont know what to do with the BOL dose in that case. might just stick where it is for now.
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@RonnieG that pizza looks bomb!
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@RonnieG you can eat less for sure, but if you eat this much you need to take probiotics and digestive enzymes do you have access to them?
btw I do like the meal sharing awesome
you should drop back down to 10-15mgs of dbol see how you feel
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Agreed it makes a big difference
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
how much vitamins you taking?
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Quite a lot of vitamin C and a multi. Anyway i went hard today in case i get sicker and cant train for a while... starting to get a slight perkiness right on the tips of the nippos. Should i add a small amount of arimidex? I still think my androgen/e2 is too high lol i dont have other high e2 symptoms (still emotionally flat and bp is about the same, no pimples)
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RonnieG said:
Quite a lot of vitamin C and a multi. Anyway i went hard today in case i get sicker and cant train for a while... starting to get a slight perkiness right on the tips of the nippos. Should i add a small amount of arimidex? I still think my androgen/e2 is too high lol i dont have other high e2 symptoms (still emotionally flat and bp is about the same, no pimples)
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Also ive been having to sneak in lots of little easy high calorie snacks like fast food cause this shit has made my metabolism insanely high. Thinking about going down from 15mg to 10. People have asked me what the fuck ive been taking. Im still only 88.5kg.
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@RonnieG you look great and lean for being sick, tight body
you can go to 10mgs why not try it
but you should up your food intake especially now you're sick
 
RonnieG said:
yep today i went down to 10 mg and felt better. just gonna keep it here
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10mgs DBOL is literally self TRT so perfect

how is your training? you lifting now?
 
LevButlerov said:
10mgs DBOL is literally self TRT so perfect

how is your training? you lifting now?
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Yeah just got a little cold. I reckon ill be repping out 200kg deads soon enough spine willing. Also probably gonna stay on for like 8 weeks since its a low dose. I think my body just needed to recomp, it seems like im gaining weight a bit more steadily now.
 
RonnieG said:
Yeah just got a little cold. I reckon ill be repping out 200kg deads soon enough spine willing. Also probably gonna stay on for like 8 weeks since its a low dose. I think my body just needed to recomp, it seems like im gaining weight a bit more steadily now.
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recover first before the big 200kgs deadlift :)
 
RonnieG said:
Liver looks alright. Noticed less perpetual pump since the first week, probably now that my natural test is gone... gonna up to 15mg.

Alt: 40 (33 a year ago)
Albumin 42 (43 a year ago)
Bilrubin 12 (9 a year ago)
Ggt 26. (24)
Alk 83 (107)
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@RonnieG what range did they use? and did you test anything else?
 
LevButlerov said:
@RonnieG what range did they use? and did you test anything else?
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Thats all i could get out of the gp. Have to pay to get endo stuff on my own. E2 defo getting high. Randomly get hot and face flushes after a heavy meal. Bp touched 150/85. Emotionally/mentally the best ive felt in years. Donating some blood to quick fix the high bp while i get some arimidex.
 
RonnieG said:
Thats all i could get out of the gp. Have to pay to get endo stuff on my own. E2 defo getting high. Randomly get hot and face flushes after a heavy meal. Bp touched 150/85. Emotionally/mentally the best ive felt in years. Donating some blood to quick fix the high bp while i get some arimidex.
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can you get e2 test levels tested?
 
RonnieG said:
Alt- u/l 0-55
Alb g/l 34-48
Bil umol/l 0-20
Ggt 0-60
Alk u/l 40-110
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RonnieG said:
Liver looks alright. Noticed less perpetual pump since the first week, probably now that my natural test is gone... gonna up to 15mg.

Alt: 40 (33 a year ago)
Albumin 42 (43 a year ago)
Bilrubin 12 (9 a year ago)
Ggt 26. (24)
Alk 83 (107)
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your values are good for liver :D

hows your training going? share please
 
RonnieG said:
I will share this weeks training as i go. Last week i couldnt access the site most of the time.
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sounds good, will be waiting :D
 
ok the blood dono didnt seem to change my BP. gonna add topical minox, which i stopped using in the past due to libido issues. (tried it on and off over 10 times over the years was 100% that) hopefully that + the cialis trims it down a bit. will make an effort to avoid sodium rich foods. though i never add salt to anything, i do eat fast food like 3-4 times a week - probably like 15-20% of my diet - so ill cut that. 😢
already doing like an hour of cardio 4 times a week HR sits around 160-180 for the duration despite it being endurance circuits and not much direct cardio.
 
RonnieG said:
ok the blood dono didnt seem to change my BP. gonna add topical minox, which i stopped using in the past due to libido issues. (tried it on and off over 10 times over the years was 100% that) hopefully that + the cialis trims it down a bit. will make an effort to avoid sodium rich foods. though i never add salt to anything, i do eat fast food like 3-4 times a week - probably like 15-20% of my diet - so ill cut that. 😢
already doing like an hour of cardio 4 times a week HR sits around 160-180 for the duration despite it being endurance circuits and not much direct cardio.
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high sodium can be an issue, are you adding potassium and magnesium supps to the diet?
 
Just did a little squat sesh with 100kg
X12 x10 x10
Surprised how ez it was considering how unstable my warmups were. (Hip instability during squats is how i got a disc injury). Id say this is my first real squat session since starting back up. Just been doing leg presses the past couple weeks to get my quads back up.
( Not sure if ive said But up until 2 weeks ago i hadnt been lifting for about 6 months.) Hoping to get back to a 160 squat, though it will be estimated as im not risking 1rm.

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RonnieG said:
Just did a little squat sesh with 100kg
X12 x10 x10
Surprised how ez it was considering how unstable my warmups were. (Hip instability during squats is how i got a disc injury). Id say this is my first real squat session since starting back up. Just been doing leg presses the past couple weeks to get my quads back up.
( Not sure if ive said But up until 2 weeks ago i hadnt been lifting for about 6 months.) Hoping to get back to a 160 squat, though it will be estimated as im not risking 1rm.

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strong quads
wow! like a champ level :D
you considering stepping on stage? you can @RonnieG
 
you will definitely get your goal on the squat
and you'll push even further up to 200
 
the legs are looking swole
trimmed the hair off so we can see more of it though
 
the leg training looks great
you keep that up you'll get far
 
wow those legs definitely look big
strong work on this
 
Ok ive found the culprit for the high bp... i see what u guys mean saying dbol is wet. Water weight very clear under this lighting.

Going to add 200mg EQ pw instead of arimidex. Bc:
1. more fun way to lower e2.
2. Makes more sense to stack something substantial since i have to keep the cycle short.
Obviously would have been better to start both at the same time but emoji typeshit

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90kg

Did a second sesh for the day:
Bench 80kg x10 x9 x8
Windsheild wipers hanging
Ohp 50kg x10 x8 x8

Feeling a bit run down, probably from having my blood siphoned yesterday. Which also left my bicep area bruised. Will take it ez on cardio tonight and maybe do some tricep and rear delt work after.
 
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RonnieG said:
Just did a little squat sesh with 100kg
X12 x10 x10
Surprised how ez it was considering how unstable my warmups were. (Hip instability during squats is how i got a disc injury). Id say this is my first real squat session since starting back up. Just been doing leg presses the past couple weeks to get my quads back up.
( Not sure if ive said But up until 2 weeks ago i hadnt been lifting for about 6 months.) Hoping to get back to a 160 squat, though it will be estimated as im not risking 1rm.

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One trick I occasionally use which might help is to push out so that the outer thigh and hips are tight on squats
 
RonnieG said:
Ok ive found the culprit for the high bp... i see what u guys mean saying dbol is wet. Water weight very clear under this lighting.

Going to add 200mg EQ pw instead of arimidex. Bc:
1. more fun way to lower e2.
2. Makes more sense to stack something substantial since i have to keep the cycle short.
Obviously would have been better to start both at the same time but emoji typeshit

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90kg

Did a second sesh for the day:
Bench 80kg x10 x9 x8
Windsheild wipers hanging
Ohp 50kg x10 x8 x8

Feeling a bit run down, probably from having my blood siphoned yesterday. Which also left my bicep area bruised. Will take it ez on cardio tonight and maybe do some tricep and rear delt work after.
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so you have access to equipoise? do you have access to testosterone? that would be much better

@RonnieG you look impressive, I think upping your protein though is a must
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
so you have access to equipoise? do you have access to testosterone? that would be much better

@RonnieG you look impressive, I think upping your protein though is a must
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Im averaging 250g protein. Havent gone under 200 so far. I will do test but im seeing what sort of rebound i get off the dbol if any. Theres some anecdote and a bit of actual data that suggests you can rebound quite hard off dbol without pct. Obviously not banking on it but worth a try. Either way after this one im gonna take a 6 wk break and then start dbol again at 20-30mg and 2-300 eq for the duration since starting the eq late here wasnt ideal. I feel real good tho.
 
RonnieG said:
Im averaging 250g protein. Havent gone under 200 so far. I will do test but im seeing what sort of rebound i get off the dbol if any. Theres some anecdote and a bit of actual data that suggests you can rebound quite hard off dbol without pct. Obviously not banking on it but worth a try. Either way after this one im gonna take a 6 wk break and then start dbol again at 20-30mg and 2-300 eq for the duration since starting the eq late here wasnt ideal. I feel real good tho.
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if you can get testosterone thats the best way
there shouldnt be rebound from dbol if you move into test bro
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
if you can get testosterone thats the best way
there shouldnt be rebound from dbol if you move into test bro
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I meant the opposite. After 2-4 weeks after stopping dbol, supposedly some peoples testosterone production increases above baseline pre cycle. My baseline was already low so theres no harm in testing this aside from feeling like shit for a couple weeks and losing some muscle. (Though the eq will be working for those couple weeks after stoping which should help me retain some)
 
RonnieG said:
I meant the opposite. After 2-4 weeks after stopping dbol, supposedly some peoples testosterone production increases above baseline pre cycle. My baseline was already low so theres no harm in testing this aside from feeling like shit for a couple weeks and losing some muscle. (Though the eq will be working for those couple weeks after stoping which should help me retain some)
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it's possible but unlikely, after you stop dbol you would likely crash hard within a week and thats what I saw with clients
but i thought you're on dbol to get trt or something like that?
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
it's possible but unlikely, after you stop dbol you would likely crash hard within a week and thats what I saw with clients
but i thought you're on dbol to get trt or something like that?
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Yeah i know ill crash hard but im gonna give myself like a month to see what happens.ive been perpetually crashed for years so its not like i cant handle it. The option to get on t long term is on the cards 4sure.
 
RonnieG said:
Yeah i know ill crash hard but im gonna give myself like a month to see what happens.ive been perpetually crashed for years so its not like i cant handle it. The option to get on t long term is on the cards 4sure.
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I mean do you have an issue with not getting on test? you can swap dbol for test now right bro
why put yourself into emotional rollercoaster
 
Shrugs 100kg x12x3
Bb curls 35kgx10x3
Db skulls 17.5kgx10x3
Machine close Rows 100kgx10x3

45min endurance circuit. Someone got me in the rib in sparring, now training anything, moving and breathing is pretty painful. Its a muscle on the outside not the bone i think. Can still train at like 90% despite the pain but its really testing. Not gonna spar for a while. If i cant train properly or work around it im gonna pause the dbol for a bit and just stay on the eq.
 
RonnieG said:
Shrugs 100kg x12x3
Bb curls 35kgx10x3
Db skulls 17.5kgx10x3
Machine close Rows 100kgx10x3

45min endurance circuit. Someone got me in the rib in sparring, now training anything, moving and breathing is pretty painful. Its a muscle on the outside not the bone i think. Can still train at like 90% despite the pain but its really testing. Not gonna spar for a while. If i cant train properly or work around it im gonna pause the dbol for a bit and just stay on the eq.
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good training day bro ;) 45 min you did good
how much eq did you start?
 
RonnieG said:
Just did a little squat sesh with 100kg
X12 x10 x10
Surprised how ez it was considering how unstable my warmups were. (Hip instability during squats is how i got a disc injury). Id say this is my first real squat session since starting back up. Just been doing leg presses the past couple weeks to get my quads back up.
( Not sure if ive said But up until 2 weeks ago i hadnt been lifting for about 6 months.) Hoping to get back to a 160 squat, though it will be estimated as im not risking 1rm.

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@RonnieG looking strong bro!
 
Switched to 1x 20mg in the morning. Feels better. Sleep better. Also less e2 conversion, bc a higher dose is limited by aromatase, whereas a split dose spaced hours apart is not. Have been really busy with work etc. so with that plus training and having to eat every 2 hours to avoid dying of starvation, havent bothered with the log sorry. 92.5kg. Will do a proper update when i get some breathing room.
 
RonnieG said:
Switched to 1x 20mg in the morning. Feels better. Sleep better. Also less e2 conversion, bc a higher dose is limited by aromatase, whereas a split dose spaced hours apart is not. Have been really busy with work etc. so with that plus training and having to eat every 2 hours to avoid dying of starvation, havent bothered with the log sorry. 92.5kg. Will do a proper update when i get some breathing room.
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good update bro but you switching from 10mgs to 20mgs dbol up and down, how are you knowing that your e2 is better? @RonnieG
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
good update bro but you switching from 10mgs to 20mgs dbol up and down, how are you knowing that your e2 is better? @RonnieG
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I had upped to 10mg twice daily a few days ago and had trouble sleeping. The 20/day was happening either way. Mpmd has an article with studies that show as soon as you start moving above the natural range with test, the t/e2 ratio goes up, as in you start converting less e2 relatively. Dbol takes longer (than t>e2) to aromatise into methylestradiol (occupies the enzyme for longer presumably.) So 20mg SHOULD push past that point where aromatase becomes mostly occupied and the conversion rate slows down. If you split it in half, and then dose again in a few hours, you are allowing maximum aromatization for the entire daily dose. Theoretically ofc.
 
RonnieG said:
I had upped to 10mg twice daily a few days ago and had trouble sleeping. The 20/day was happening either way. Mpmd has an article with studies that show as soon as you start moving above the natural range with test, the t/e2 ratio goes up, as in you start converting less e2 relatively. Dbol takes longer (than t>e2) to aromatise into methylestradiol (occupies the enzyme for longer presumably.) So 20mg SHOULD push past that point where aromatase becomes mostly occupied and the conversion rate slows down. If you split it in half, and then dose again in a few hours, you are allowing maximum aromatization for the entire daily dose. Theoretically ofc.
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10mgs I've seen the discussion on low dose dbol and tried it myself but it was suppressive, and a few clients had bloods over the years with low dose dbol but if you feel good on it lets play this out bro ;) hit it
you need to be doing high protein, where you at now? @RonnieG

also you from NZ right? saw guys complaining about nz sources you should have your guy come on and post his intro
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/new-zealand-approved-sources.260/
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
10mgs I've seen the discussion on low dose dbol and tried it myself but it was suppressive, and a few clients had bloods over the years with low dose dbol but if you feel good on it lets play this out bro ;) hit it
you need to be doing high protein, where you at now? @RonnieG

also you from NZ right? saw guys complaining about nz sources you should have your guy come on and post his intro
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/new-zealand-approved-sources.260/
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Pushing for 300g daily. Been getting at least 250 at worst. My guy is this guy:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/i-am-vouching-for-a-nz-source-if-you-need-one.101683/

Gonna do another 4.5 weeks (8wks total). Then come off. Then start low dose nolva after a few weeks. Then try and maintain as much as i can for another month (2 months off). Then do it again but loading the eq a wk before before starting dbol. And will prob do 30mg.

only thing im watching for is how my hair looks at the end of those 2 months off. I had a shed in the second week. Thing is, it doesnt 5 alpha reduce, so either it causes hair loss through another mechanism OR it is just a shed like you would get from starting finasteride, and what causes the hair loss in people is stacking with test, or the test rebound afterwards.
Logic:
If you take test + dbol, they will compete for aromatase. You end up with more free test converting to dht.

T only, normal dht conversion.

Dbol only .No dht conversion. Test is crushed so very low dht conversion from that.

Lets see
 
RonnieG said:
Pushing for 300g daily. Been getting at least 250 at worst. My guy is this guy:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/i-am-vouching-for-a-nz-source-if-you-need-one.101683/

Gonna do another 4.5 weeks (8wks total). Then come off. Then start low dose nolva after a few weeks. Then try and maintain as much as i can for another month (2 months off). Then do it again but loading the eq a wk before before starting dbol. And will prob do 30mg.

only thing im watching for is how my hair looks at the end of those 2 months off. I had a shed in the second week. Thing is, it doesnt 5 alpha reduce, so either it causes hair loss through another mechanism OR it is just a shed like you would get from starting finasteride, and what causes the hair loss in people is stacking with test, or the test rebound afterwards.
Logic:
If you take test + dbol, they will compete for aromatase. You end up with more free test converting to dht.

T only, normal dht conversion.

Dbol only .No dht conversion. Test is crushed so very low dht conversion from that.

Lets see
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@RonnieG yea I saw you suggestion him, did he come on and post you talk to him?

On coming off you can come off, but I would go with nolvadex and a test booster at least get something like tribulus or fadogia with this.
 
my blood pressure is testing at 135-147/61-68 in the evenings, despite being heavier. so either:
-the EQ has brought my e2 down.
-consciously avoiding excess salt worked.
-topical min is reducing it slightly
-my bp is still high in the morning after dosing, and this is just reflective of the dbol levels dropping in the evening.

will test on Saturday morning a couple hours after dose to check.

also being looking into cycles and what is appropriate for me in the future. obviously, you have something like deca/test/primo, which on paper looks great right, you get the anabolic effect of all three, the test provides some dht while the primo keeps e2 down. but here's the thing. I don't need to feel particularly good while I'm on steroids, id rather feel better while I'm off and just work to maintain a % of the muscle built while on.

That wouldn't be a compromise to consider if hair loss wasn't in question. I've realised my perpetual lack of sex drive is most likely a DHT issue and not an e2 issue as i thought before. Now I've felt what it's like being high e2 - it's very calming but i don't feel particularly driven as a man/libido is still low. i can get hard with some effort, just no drive to follow through. I'm driven to train because psychologically I want to make the most out of these compounds in the short time I'm using them, but i don't feel like an animal at all.

my point is, i could do something like a deca-only with some dbol sprinkled in to keep some e2 there and just deal with no dht/deca dick for a couple months while I'm on. I'm dealing with it now and its fine. and then when i come off i can nolva/clomid myself back to having some dht and sex drive for a couple months before doing another cycle. i wouldn't mind just having a dedicated couple months to fucking/normal life and then like 2-3 months for gains AND hair retention (pretty unheard of, but pharmacologically it checks out.)

Im going to be a lab rat and try it anyway. one drawback to how i feel right now is im almost too calm. similar to what you would see with ssri use. like i just don't care about anything except hitting the gym. not a bad feeling at all, just probably wouldn't want to be like this forever, lacking vigor would be a good way to put it. but its a good contrast to how strung out ive been feeling for the past 3 years.
 
@RonnieG have you considered that EQ will suppress you and crash your E2 after the dbol is over? it has a long half life so it's going to take a while to get out of your system. If you aren't running the DBOL or any other test base with it you're going to have some very bad low t and high E2 sides for 4-6 weeks post cycle.
 
fat slag said:
@RonnieG have you considered that EQ will suppress you and crash your E2 after the dbol is over? it has a long half life so it's going to take a while to get out of your system. If you aren't running the DBOL or any other test base with it you're going to have some very bad low t and high E2 sides for 4-6 weeks post cycle.
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Yep i am stopping the e2 3 weeks before the dbol. Which made it a bit pointless. But learning. Will start it 1 or 2 weeks earlier next cycle frontloaded, alongside deca or npp and then add like 10-20mg dbol as soon as i start feeling low e2 (as little dbol as possible so i can try run for 12 weeks with liver check towards wk8. This cycle should be hair restorative in theory. Ill take photos of hair line and bald spot b4 and after.
 
Heres a comparison. No pump in either under same lighting for fairness. Obviously dont look like im on anything. But considering the low dose and weight gained im pretty happy with how this has gone so far. A taste of what will come with future cycles.
88kg. 93kg. 4wks
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