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RonnieG

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Ive been asked to log my dianabol only cycle despite not really wanting to. but if i run into issues it may be beneficial to me down the line so.. First to pre-emptively address every other comment that will be asking "why?": because. thank you.

Ok so i started lifting in HS for like 2.5 years age 16-18:
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Got depressed stopped lifting. looked like this at like 22, 6'1 76kg:
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Started up again in 2020. Did this in 14 months. 82kg to 93kg. not even sure how i did it, was drinking like crazy and not sleeping well and running on pure caffeine. my body just randomly decided to produce hormones again. ill never understand what happened. but i was training so hard i slipped a disc in my back and got sciatica. anyway youll understand why i subscribe to the training > diet/sleep/lifestyle argument personally:
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soon after this i noticed my hair falling out so i took fin for 3 months. started to notice i was turning into a female emotionally like crying a lot and like acting like a mom to my friends. stopped fin. slowly developed complete dysphoria and anhedonia, deepest darkest depression of my life. everyone ditched. after 2 years i found the only thing that gave relief was 9mg of boron a day. i figured this meant i probably had low free t and e2. Doc gave me a test test. 475ng/dl. pretty useless without knowing what it was before. looked online for clinics or somewhere to get bloods done. couldn't find anything close so gave up. (now i realise there actually is heaps around so ill get that done when i can afford it.)

anyways fast forward to 5 days ago 88kg, 3 days on, i did some pushups before the second shot cause i needed to. second pic im 0.5kg lighter somehow despite the appetite increase and my compliance in satiating it:
1731394162774.webp


Ive naturally almost immediately upped calories by about 40%. and really making an effort to hit 200g protein. just guesswork with fats (feel based protocol) and carbs as i need them. whats weird is im hungry but it feels like my stomach is clogged. probably needs to stretch to accommodate the extra food. glad i started low. 5mgx2(10mg)/day for the first three days and then the next 2 were 7.5mgx2. starting on 10 tomorrow. from reading around it seems like with this compound you wanna go short and hard as opposed to what i was originally gonna do which was slow and low. so gonna ramp it up to 20 gauging how i feel with each incremental increase. i get its still low.

5mg was powerful the first time. now it has normalised and i dont feel it nearly as much so thats how im gauging the increases. anyway a big thing is it has temporarily cured every mental ailment ive had for my entire adult life. which is probably an indicator that i need to be on TRT long term, which can be pursued after i get bloods done etc. but gonna have some fun with this rn anyway. also my nips have never been smaller. also i have the insatiable urge to cuddle smaller guys and tell them everything's ok.

biggest question i have is should i split 3 ways instead and do a third at night just to stay anabolic the whole time since im keeping this cycle shorter now (6 weeks at ~20mg as opposed to 12wk at 10mg). my thinking was if its pretty much out of my system when i go to bed, at least my balls will be trying to begin the process of making test towards the morning even though they wont make much, and then presumably when i come off ill bounce back quicker. or do i just go full crush to make the most of it and then come off and deal with the aftermath (which might be the same either way). i guess we dont really have the science to answer that rn. anyway the plan is to come off and then do it again a month or so later to let the old cirrhosis heal. (i genuinely probably have cirrhosis ive almost died from alcohol multiple times. but doc says liver is fine.) obviously im not touching a drop while on.

Also do i need more sleep while on or less? i remember derek mcplaydates saying u can sleep less on test or something. ive been going to bed a little earlier but it gives me cheat mode energy anyway. and yeah im worried if i take it at night i wont sleep but if its worth the anabolism ill try it at least and see if i can.

im taking NAC TUDSCA and fish oil and a Multi once a day. and electrolytes during training and magnesium at night.
 
out of curiosity why not just run test? will be much safer and you can be on for longer, so more gains. good start bro.

sleep wise more is always better, thats when you grow. also the dbol will suppress you completely, spiltting doses won't change the negative feedback to your HPTA. make sure you have PCT on-hand aswell
 
out of curiosity why not just run test? will be much safer and you can be on for longer, so more gains. good start bro.

sleep wise more is always better, thats when you grow. also the dbol will suppress you completely, spiltting doses won't change the negative feedback to your HPTA. make sure you have PCT on-hand aswell
i cant get hcg or id be running it natty, my balls suck balls. what else can i use to kickstart the rebound? or you mean have an ai on hand? cialis gives me suicide e2 symptoms after like 3 days so ill just use that if i get milky.
 
i cant get hcg or id be running it natty, my balls suck balls. what else can i use to kickstart the rebound? or you mean have an ai on hand? cialis gives me suicide e2 symptoms after like 3 days so ill just use that if i get milky.
i mean clomid + nolva to rebound post cycle, better to get everything early incase you have issues with your lab, postage ect. cialis gives you e2 symptoms?? it doesn't do anything related to estrogen, will just make blood flow around your body better. AI on hand is needed 100% with dbol as well, wouldnt use it until you get symptoms though. there's heaps of sources for HCG on here regardless of where you're from.
 
i mean clomid + nolva to rebound post cycle, better to get everything early incase you have issues with your lab, postage ect. cialis gives you e2 symptoms?? it doesn't do anything related to estrogen, will just make blood flow around your body better. AI on hand is needed 100% with dbol as well, wouldnt use it until you get symptoms though. there's heaps of sources for HCG on here regardless of where you're from.
no. cialis is supposedly a relatively mild AI. i used it for dicksoft and realised it made me really sad and anhedonic and my dick went completely numb, which is a sign of very low e2. actually not sad just empty feeling.
 
Ive been asked to log my dinosaur-bowl only cycle despite not really wanting to. but if i run into issues it may be beneficial to me down the line so.. First to pre-emptively address every other comment that will be asking "why?": because. thank you.

Ok so i started lifting in HS for like 2.5 years age 16-18:
View attachment 61545

Got depressed stopped lifting. looked like this at like 22, 6'1 76kg:
View attachment 61546

Started up again in 2020. Did this in 14 months. 82kg to 93kg. not even sure how i did it, was drinking like crazy and not sleeping well and running on pure caffeine. my body just randomly decided to produce hormones again. ill never understand what happened. but i was training so hard i slipped a disc in my back and got sciatica. anyway youll understand why i subscribe to the training > diet/sleep/lifestyle argument personally:
View attachment 61547

soon after this i noticed my hair falling out so i took fin for 3 months. started to notice i was turning into a female emotionally like crying a lot and like acting like a mom to my friends. stopped fin. slowly developed complete dysphoria and anhedonia, deepest darkest depression of my life. everyone ditched. after 2 years i found the only thing that gave relief was 9mg of boron a day. i figured this meant i probably had low free t and e2. Doc gave me a test test. 475ng/dl. pretty useless without knowing what it was before. looked online for clinics or somewhere to get bloods done. couldn't find anything close so gave up. (now i realise there actually is heaps around so ill get that done when i can afford it.)

anyways fast forward to 5 days ago 88kg, 3 days on, i did some pushups before the second shot cause i needed to. second pic im 0.5kg lighter somehow despite the appetite increase and my compliance in satiating it:
View attachment 61557

Ive naturally almost immediately upped calories by about 40%. and really making an effort to hit 200g protein. just guesswork with fats (feel based protocol) and carbs as i need them. whats weird is im hungry but it feels like my stomach is clogged. probably needs to stretch to accommodate the extra food. glad i started low. 5mgx2(10mg)/day for the first three days and then the next 2 were 7.5mgx2. starting on 10 tomorrow. from reading around it seems like with this compound you wanna go short and hard as opposed to what i was originally gonna do which was slow and low. so gonna ramp it up to 20 gauging how i feel with each incremental increase. i get its still low.

5mg was powerful the first time. now it has normalised and i dont feel it nearly as much so thats how im gauging the increases. anyway a big thing is it has temporarily cured every mental ailment ive had for my entire adult life. which is probably an indicator that i need to be on TRT long term, which can be pursued after i get bloods done etc. but gonna have some fun with this rn anyway. also my nips have never been smaller. also i have the insatiable urge to cuddle smaller guys and tell them everything's ok.

biggest question i have is should i split 3 ways instead and do a third at night just to stay anabolic the whole time since im keeping this cycle shorter now (6 weeks at ~20mg as opposed to 12wk at 10mg). my thinking was if its pretty much out of my system when i go to bed, at least my balls will be trying to begin the process of making test towards the morning even though they wont make much, and then presumably when i come off ill bounce back quicker. or do i just go full crush to make the most of it and then come off and deal with the aftermath (which might be the same either way). i guess we dont really have the science to answer that rn. anyway the plan is to come off and then do it again a month or so later to let the old cirrhosis heal. (i genuinely probably have cirrhosis ive almost died from alcohol multiple times. but doc says liver is fine.) obviously im not touching a drop while on.

Also do i need more sleep while on or less? i remember derek mcplaydates saying u can sleep less on test or something. ive been going to bed a little earlier but it gives me cheat mode energy anyway. and yeah im worried if i take it at night i wont sleep but if its worth the anabolism ill try it at least and see if i can.

im taking NAC TUDSCA and fish oil and a Multi once a day. and electrolytes during training and magnesium at night.

i cant get hcg or id be running it natty, my balls suck balls. what else can i use to kickstart the rebound? or you mean have an ai on hand? cialis gives me suicide e2 symptoms after like 3 days so ill just use that if i get milky.
@RonnieG you and I speak so I know your situation a bit, now fully want to welcome you to the big EVO family :)

Some things to discuss:

Cycle
You can use testosterone and you wouldnt need hcg for it.
Dbol will require PCT as well, so you would need tamoxifen clomid for recovery as well.
PCT is what makes your balls recover, fadogia as well with supplements like HCGenerate (dont think you can get in NZ)

Please share more day to day information with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good, if you have them would be great
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger, would be nice to see weights and sets if you can
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

pictures
please share pictures of you face blurred as you go, every few weeks
pics of your meals as you go
pics of your training as you go
pics of your supps
pics of your gear

thank you and share more :)
 
is any digestive enzyme supp ok? i could really use one right now. i feel like my stomach cant keep up. would probiotic yoghurt be redundant in that case? also you say HCG wouldn't be needed for test? wouldn't test suppress just as much long term?
@RonnieG most brands are fine but I think you are limited by location.
Add probiotics on top of the yogurt as well.

HCG would be in theory needed for a lot but with your plan to go into TRT I dont think its an issue.
 
alright ima try a night dose tn and see if i can sleep.
Wont do that again. Got like 2 hours sleep right at the end.. shame cause being anabolic while sleeping would be an advantage. And it was only 7.5mg so no point going lower. Gonna bump to 10mg 2x daily tomorrow after i get some digestion stuff.
 
Wont do that again. Got like 2 hours sleep right at the end.. shame cause being anabolic while sleeping would be an advantage. And it was only 7.5mg so no point going lower. Gonna bump to 10mg 2x daily tomorrow after i get some digestion stuff.
you're saying you took dbol at night and couldn't sleep? @RonnieG
 
Im assuming it was that. Changing schedule to 3x daily. 6.30am. 10.30am. 3.00pm. That gives me 6 hours to clear it before bedtime. Ill post a proper days log later
lets see next few days as you update us @RonnieG
 
day 6:

Dosing:
6:30am: 7.5mg
11:30am: 7.5mg
3:30pm: 7.5mg

Eating:
7:30am: Protein bread Milk cup:
1731473357286.jpeg

2 scoops of whey.
2 tbsp peanut butter
2 slices white bread
400ml milk.
almost threw up.
~800cal
75g prot
55 carb
30 fat

11:30am: pIZZA time chicken time
1731473492235.jpeg

1x pizza
220g chicken
slapped.
~
1800cal
80g prot
100 carb
100 fat



1:00pm: 2 scoops of whey 400ml milk.

4:30pm: burger time
1731473631479.jpeg

1x burger
1x fries
2x aoli
1x strawberry thickshake
~
2941 cal
88 prot
180 fat
231 carbs

yet to eat dinner and will snack towards beddytime.

Total before dinner:
Cal: 5541
Protein: 303
Fat: 335
Carbs: 361

I would count everything and dial it in but i have just been so hungry the last 3 days and this is roughly how ive been eating. Obviously everything's higher than it needs to be on paper but i dunno like im im hungry im gonna eat so.. maybe i have aids?

Training:
12pm:
deadlifts 120kgx15x3 (gotta go light cause just starting up again due to past spinal injury.)
3x10 chins (but could only get like 6 reps the last 2 sets.
Bench 80kgx12x3 (again my reps drop off real bad with everything, 12 first, then 8 then 7).
rows 60kgx14x3
lying db skulls 15x3
curls same
shrugs
ab rollouts.
lateral raises.

Note: ive always been weaker than i look imo. also my rep ranges have always dropped off significantly after the first set.

5:30
Boxing circuit about an hour. do this like 4x a week unless im noticeably burned out then i skip a day. Im thinking i might have to shorten these sessions as it seems like the BOL has accelerated my metabolism, ive somehow lost weight in the first week despite eating way more.

Comparison Day 1 vs 6 (yeah its no pump vs pump cause it looks cooler) 88kg(left) vs 87.6kg(right):
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Thoughts:
so when natty, when i get hungry for just a little while i start to feel really dysphoric, and then when i eat, especially a protein shake, i feel all warm and fuzzy, its like my body is way overdoing the endorphin reaction to eating/not eating. the bOL has made this way worse. like if i dont eat every 1.5hrs i get really crappy feeling. at first i thought this was me getting shut down from it, as i felt it a bit yesterday afternoon, and a lot today (after raising the dose from 15-23mg), and i thought id need to up the dose to mitigate it. it might still be that, but part of me thinks its the opposite, where its speeding up my metabolism to the point where i genuinely cant get enough food (until my stomach stretches a bit more) making me feel dysphoric due to being in an inadvertent deficit. ive gone from feeling amazing on a 10-15mg daily dose to feeling a bit shit on 22.5mg dose. so i can test this by dropping the dose back down a bit and seeing if it feels better, or by raising the dose to 30mg to see if its better. but yeah obviously i need more calories even though ive almost doubled them since getting on. its really weird and unexpected. i thought id be like 2kg heavier by now. my muscles are fuller yet ive lost weight.

TLDR: today was the first day on 22.5mg split into 3, 4 hours apart. dilemma is should i go back down to see if i feel better before bumping up? thats what im gonna try tomorrow, going down to 2x7.5mg 6 hours apart. if i feel worse, the next day im going back up to 22.5, and then 30 the day after that with the plan of staying on 30 for the remaining 5 weeks.

do i just need to eat less? wtf is going on lmao. shit just remembered i came off wellbutrin a week ago which suppresses appetite and is an antidepressant... thats obviously a contributing factor. dont know what to do with the BOL dose in that case. might just stick where it is for now.
 
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Another thought. Maybe its a case of putting myself at what would be around the equiv. High Normal range on 10mg to probably significantly above at 20+mg. I guess "feeling good" and being as anabolic as possible are 2 very different things...
Yeah this is whats happening. After cutting off the last dose at 3pm, towards the evening and up until the morning i felt how i did in 10mg -really good. This is also good because there is enough still in my sleep to keep me somewhat anabolic while not keeping me awake. So obviously the 15-22.5mg took me above a range that is good for me psychologically on the androgen side of things. So now based on this i have an actual plan:

Stay on 15mg/d for 6 weeks until i get to where i was at my peak natty a few years ago. Then come off for 4-6 weeks and try to maintain as much as i can while giving my liver and balls a break. Then get back on at the same dose for a couple weeks until i get back anything lost, and then for the remaining 4 weeks sit at an increased dose to try and blast past what i previously did while natty. And then maybe do it a third time at like 30mg just to really push it, if by that point im not producing milk. So yeah im doing 7.5×2. 6.30 am and 12.00pm
 
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first off i know guys who have been using oral only cycles for 20 years and are in perfect health

and the science doesn't support any evidence that using oral only cycles is worse then injectables when it comes to recovery. in fact keeping cycles short with orals makes it EASIER to recover. injectables take much longer since they have much longer esters

having said that over time it makes more sense to use injectables eventually since you can get more volume in via an injection. but nothing wrong with doing a cycle like this

twice a day of dbol is fine. don't get too hung up on the 'wanting to stay anabolic all night' bs. that is just bro science. dbol will actually be in your system 24 hours with 2 doses per day. the active life is 20 hours when you take it
 
first off i know guys who have been using oral only cycles for 20 years and are in perfect health

and the science doesn't support any evidence that using oral only cycles is worse then injectables when it comes to recovery. in fact keeping cycles short with orals makes it EASIER to recover. injectables take much longer since they have much longer esters

having said that over time it makes more sense to use injectables eventually since you can get more volume in via an injection. but nothing wrong with doing a cycle like this

twice a day of dbol is fine. don't get too hung up on the 'wanting to stay anabolic all night' bs. that is just bro science. dbol will actually be in your system 24 hours with 2 doses per day. the active life is 20 hours when you take it
Epic. So with me realizing that i feel great and really balanced up to 7.5mg as a single dose, and 15 per day. Would it make sense to stay there for a first cycle (thats what im doing regardless). And on the other hand, would i likely see more anabolism above this range despite feeling like shit (anxiety, anhedonia etc) if in a later cycle i wanted to endure it for the gains? Not looking for a concrete answer cause everyone is different but does that tend to be the case?
 
day 6:

Dosing:
6:30am: 7.5mg
11:30am: 7.5mg
3:30pm: 7.5mg

Eating:
7:30am: Protein bread Milk cup:
View attachment 61783
2 scoops of whey.
2 tbsp peanut butter
2 slices white bread
400ml milk.
almost threw up.
~800cal
75g prot
55 carb
30 fat

11:30am: pIZZA time chicken time
View attachment 61784
1x pizza
220g chicken
slapped.
~
1800cal
80g prot
100 carb
100 fat



1:00pm: 2 scoops of whey 400ml milk.

4:30pm: burger time
View attachment 61788
1x burger
1x fries
2x aoli
1x strawberry thickshake
~
2941 cal
88 prot
180 fat
231 carbs

yet to eat dinner and will snack towards beddytime.

Total before dinner:
Cal: 5541
Protein: 303
Fat: 335
Carbs: 361

I would count everything and dial it in but i have just been so hungry the last 3 days and this is roughly how ive been eating. Obviously everything's higher than it needs to be on paper but i dunno like im im hungry im gonna eat so.. maybe i have aids?

Training:
12pm:
deadlifts 120kgx15x3 (gotta go light cause just starting up again due to past spinal injury.)
3x10 chins (but could only get like 6 reps the last 2 sets.
Bench 80kgx12x3 (again my reps drop off real bad with everything, 12 first, then 8 then 7).
rows 60kgx14x3
lying db skulls 15x3
curls same
shrugs
ab rollouts.
lateral raises.

Note: ive always been weaker than i look imo. also my rep ranges have always dropped off significantly after the first set.

5:30
Boxing circuit about an hour. do this like 4x a week unless im noticeably burned out then i skip a day. Im thinking i might have to shorten these sessions as it seems like the BOL has accelerated my metabolism, ive somehow lost weight in the first week despite eating way more.

Comparison Day 1 vs 6 (yeah its no pump vs pump cause it looks cooler) 88kg(left) vs 87.6kg(right):
View attachment 61795

Thoughts:
so when natty, when i get hungry for just a little while i start to feel really dysphoric, and then when i eat, especially a protein shake, i feel all warm and fuzzy, its like my body is way overdoing the endorphin reaction to eating/not eating. the bOL has made this way worse. like if i dont eat every 1.5hrs i get really crappy feeling. at first i thought this was me getting shut down from it, as i felt it a bit yesterday afternoon, and a lot today (after raising the dose from 15-23mg), and i thought id need to up the dose to mitigate it. it might still be that, but part of me thinks its the opposite, where its speeding up my metabolism to the point where i genuinely cant get enough food (until my stomach stretches a bit more) making me feel dysphoric due to being in an inadvertent deficit. ive gone from feeling amazing on a 10-15mg daily dose to feeling a bit shit on 22.5mg dose. so i can test this by dropping the dose back down a bit and seeing if it feels better, or by raising the dose to 30mg to see if its better. but yeah obviously i need more calories even though ive almost doubled them since getting on. its really weird and unexpected. i thought id be like 2kg heavier by now. my muscles are fuller yet ive lost weight.

TLDR: today was the first day on 22.5mg split into 3, 4 hours apart. dilemma is should i go back down to see if i feel better before bumping up? thats what im gonna try tomorrow, going down to 2x7.5mg 6 hours apart. if i feel worse, the next day im going back up to 22.5, and then 30 the day after that with the plan of staying on 30 for the remaining 5 weeks.

do i just need to eat less? wtf is going on lmao. shit just remembered i came off wellbutrin a week ago which suppresses appetite and is an antidepressant... thats obviously a contributing factor. dont know what to do with the BOL dose in that case. might just stick where it is for now.
@RonnieG you can eat less for sure, but if you eat this much you need to take probiotics and digestive enzymes do you have access to them?
btw I do like the meal sharing awesome
you should drop back down to 10-15mgs of dbol see how you feel
 
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