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Not sure about handling it...lol freaking everything is out of whack... only positive takeaway is already consistent testing identified and help root cause the issue
You are missing some bloods to fully gauge, as @HarleyGuy said prolactin, but a complete blood count would be good to see HCT and Hemoglobin, also some of the liver markers, but the bloods you shared arent terrible given the doses your on and will likely settle wen you get it right
 
Man been using the wrong syringe all this time... fml

Man way too much, man been treating it like 1 ml syringe so probably 5 time the amount.. smh..or i dont even know, i will habe her over tomorrow and go with her and get the rigjt stuff and habe her walk me through the dosing and how much and all to makensure i get it right... freaking no one but myself to blame.
please do this @rayray01 draw into that syringe the normal amount of EQ you draw and post a pic, like with oil inside lets see live
 
Man way too much, man been treating it like 1 ml syringe so probably 5 time the amount.. smh..or i dont even know, i will habe her over tomorrow and go with her and get the rigjt stuff and habe her walk me through the dosing and how much and all to makensure i get it right... freaking no one but myself to blame.
Oh boy, ok.

@LevButlerov
  • Get alcohol swabs
  • Get a box of 18g needles (just the needle tips) to load
  • Get a box of 3CC syringes (they may come with needles or not) **see notes in red**
  • Get a box of 25g 1" needles for delts and lats
  • Get a box of 23 or 25g 1.5" needles for your glutes and quads (you might be able to get away with 1" for quads)

-EQ: Your EQ is likely 300mg/ml so if you're wanting 100mg of EQ that's a third of the 1CC line so it won't look like much, just past the quarter way mark of 1CC about 33% of the way to 1CC

-DECA: Your Deca is only 50mg so it will likely be roughly the same concentration (if your Deca is not 300mg/ml let us know - sometimes it's 250mg/ml) meaning if it's same concentration as your EQ you'll pull down the Deca to about the 15 toward the 1CC line or about where the 15 would be if the 1CC was 100. Meaning, after you put in your EQ which is at about 33 (assuming 1CC = 100) then you'd draw your Deca down to the 50 (assuming 1CC=100). You now have one half CC in your syringe with roughly 100mg EQ in it along with 50mg Deca (assuming a concentration of 300mg deca/ml).

-TEST: Pretty sure I remember you doing 300mg of test. Now based on the concentration of your test draw down past the 1CC mark until your test dose is in there (if you need more than 3CC to do this - meaning you need more than 2CC after the EQ/Deca draw - then buy 5CC syringes).

This explains your e2 levels. Don't pin anything until you throw up pics of what you're working with for now. I'd go tomorrow and get all the tools you need to dose properly.
 
please do this @rayray01 draw into that syringe the normal amount of EQ you draw and post a pic, like with oil inside lets see live
Agreed. Show us what you've been pinning it will help out a lot.
 
Oh boy, ok.

@LevButlerov
  • Get alcohol swabs
  • Get a box of 18g needles (just the needle tips) to load
  • Get a box of 3CC syringes (they may come with needles or not) **see notes in red**
  • Get a box of 25g 1" needles for delts and lats
  • Get a box of 23 or 25g 1.5" needles for your glutes and quads (you might be able to get away with 1" for quads)

-EQ: Your EQ is likely 300mg/ml so if you're wanting 100mg of EQ that's a third of the 1CC line so it won't look like much, just past the quarter way mark of 1CC about 33% of the way to 1CC

-DECA: Your Deca is only 50mg so it will likely be roughly the same concentration (if your Deca is not 300mg/ml let us know - sometimes it's 250mg/ml) meaning if it's same concentration as your EQ you'll pull down the Deca to about the 15 toward the 1CC line or about where the 15 would be if the 1CC was 100. Meaning, after you put in your EQ which is at about 33 (assuming 1CC = 100) then you'd draw your Deca down to the 50 (assuming 1CC=100). You now have one half CC in your syringe with roughly 100mg EQ in it along with 50mg Deca (assuming a concentration of 300mg deca/ml).

-TEST: Pretty sure I remember you doing 300mg of test. Now based on the concentration of your test draw down past the 1CC mark until your test dose is in there (if you need more than 3CC to do this - meaning you need more than 2CC after the EQ/Deca draw - then buy 5CC syringes).

This explains your e2 levels. Don't pin anything until you throw up pics of what you're working with for now. I'd go tomorrow and get all the tools you need to dose properly.
Above and beyond here @HarleyGuy 💪🤜🏼🤛🏼

I just caught up here. Lucky you now have some clarity with the situation brother @rayray01 🤞👌
As @LevButlerov mentioned draw up the dose you have been using in the exact syringe you have been using and post a photo. And as @HarleyGuy Mentioned dont pin anything more until we can see brother.

Dont freak though this can all be sorted 😉 👌
 

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Went and got the correct stuff finally... so moving forward i should be good..... I am so glad that I kept up with testing so diligently to have identified it early on.... so I got how many and when to take n2 guard and fish oil, how much magnesium do I need to take? I take 300mg at night before bed at present. @Dreamer , @HarleyGuy , @LevButlerov
 

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whats the supp panel? post please
Fish oil 1200- used to take 1, upping it to 7
L-Carnitine/L-Tartrate - 2000mg ED morning.
Psyllium Husk - 2000mg ED
Potassium CL - 80 MEQ ED
Glocosamine/Chondratin MSM & Turmeric - 1500mg/500mg, 1000mg, 400mg - 1 ED
Astralagus Root - 550mg 1 ED
Collagen Complex - 1600mg - 1 ED
Cycle Support plus NAC - 2 ED
Magnesium triple complex - 300MG ED
L- Methylfolate - 1000mcg
Kidney Cleanse - 1 cap ED
Liver Detox - 1 ED
Tudca - 250mg 1 cap ED
Bpc157 - 1000mcg 1 cap.ED
Aspirin - 81mg ED
N2Gaurd - 3 ED will start to take 7
HC Generate - 2 capsules ED
 

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Went and got the correct stuff finally... so moving forward i should be good..... I am so glad that I kept up with testing so diligently to have identified it early on.... so I got how many and when to take n2 guard and fish oil, how much magnesium do I need to take? I take 300mg at night before bed at present. @Dreamer , @HarleyGuy , @LevButlerov
Bro what length of needle is that? Did you get some to load with? If you don't have a separate loading box of needles you'll have to load with one and then put a new one on (this is my practice) so the sharpest possible needle is what you use to pin. Loading with that gauge needle is going to be like watching paint dry but it will do it's job.

That length of needle will only be for your delts as I haven't seen your legs. Can you confirm what length it is?

What kind of magnesium do you have?
200-450mg of magnesium bisglycinate is good depending on when you take it and what you want out of it. If at bedtime take 450mg.

And good job on dropping the clen too. Orals PED's for you also won't be wise with CKD.

Edit: Thanks for posting your supp panel I was typing while you posted it. You can take one 300mg at night and make sure and take 7 of the N2Guard especially with CKD. Also, let us know when you're done with those psyllium husk capsules and we'll get the raw psyllium husk powder you can drink.
 
Bro what length of needle is that? Did you get some to load with? If you don't have a separate loading box of needles you'll have to load with one and then put a new one on (this is my practice) so the sharpest possible needle is what you use to pin. Loading with that gauge needle is going to be like watching paint dry but it will do it's job.

That length of needle will only be for your delts as I haven't seen your legs. Can you confirm what length it is?

What kind of magnesium do you have?
200-450mg of magnesium bisglycinate is good depending on when you take it and what you want out of it. If at bedtime take 450mg.

And good job on dropping the clen too. Orals PED's for you also won't be wise with CKD.

Edit: Thanks for posting your supp panel I was typing while you posted it. You can take one 300mg at night and make sure and take 7 of the N2Guard especially with CKD.
Yea that was the drawing needle, pinning is 27g.
 
Bro what length of needle is that? Did you get some to load with? If you don't have a separate loading box of needles you'll have to load with one and then put a new one on (this is my practice) so the sharpest possible needle is what you use to pin. Loading with that gauge needle is going to be like watching paint dry but it will do it's job.

That length of needle will only be for your delts as I haven't seen your legs. Can you confirm what length it is?

What kind of magnesium do you have?
200-450mg of magnesium bisglycinate is good depending on when you take it and what you want out of it. If at bedtime take 450mg.

And good job on dropping the clen too. Orals PED's for you also won't be wise with CKD.

Edit: Thanks for posting your supp panel I was typing while you posted it. You can take one 300mg at night and make sure and take 7 of the N2Guard especially with CKD. Also, let us know when you're done with those psyllium husk capsules and we'll get the raw psyllium husk powder you can drink.
Magnesium with Mulate + Glycinate + Citrate
 
Yea that was the drawing needle, pinning is 27g.
Ok perfect thank God LOL!

With 27g your thumb is gonna get all white from pushing so hard but just keep at it and it will get in there!
 
And good job on dropping the clen too. Orals PED's for you also won't be wise with CKD.

Damn so no Anavar, or Winstrol, or Turinobol ever for me? @HarleyGuy that sucks i believe they are really good PED's was hoping to try them sometime in future coz i had ordered all of them prior to following on @LevButlerov recommendation. LOL...
 
Yea that is a 5ml syringe. You are probably right. Now got the right syringe so will get it right now.
You were running about the highest doses you see on here for test and eq and it’s usually by people with decades of experience. No worries though you will recover and your bloods were surprisingly good.

I’d take a break and let your levels stabilize and have your e2 come up then pin again in about two weeks. How long since your last injection? @LevButlerov would you agree he should just pin his test400 next time and skip the EQ, let the e2 come up that way.

The prop part of your test isn’t gonna linger it’s the cypionate that will and EQ has a really long half life, longer than cypionate. The whole point is to get your e2 up so we need the e2 to clear. Use about a 2:1 ratio of test to EQ or even 3:1 like you are so with your vials that would be 0.75ml of test (300) and 0.3mL of EQ (100). For deca it’s like 0.15ml (50) so 1.2mL (1.2CC) will be in your syringe and no more than that.

@LevButlerov this is good evidence albeit accidental but really good for the EQ mega thread.
 
You were running about the highest doses you see on here for test and eq and it’s usually by people with decades of experience. No worries though you will recover and your bloods were surprisingly good.

I’d take a break and let your levels stabilize and have your e2 come up then pin again in about two weeks. How long since your last injection? @LevButlerov would you agree he should just pin his test400 next time and skip the EQ, let the e2 come up that way.

The prop part of your test isn’t gonna linger it’s the cypionate that will and EQ has a really long half life, longer than cypionate. The whole point is to get your e2 up so we need the e2 to clear. Use about a 2:1 ratio of test to EQ or even 3:1 like you are so with your vials that would be 0.75ml of test (300) and 0.3mL of EQ (100). For deca it’s like 0.15ml (50) so 1.2mL (1.2CC) will be in your syringe and no more than that.

@LevButlerov this is good evidence albeit accidental but really good for the EQ mega thread.
Thats what I noticed too, given the doses his bloods were pretty clean, better than some peoples baselines, I again am no expert, but I would think dropping everything but test and resetting would be the best approach so he can get a real baseline.

This is interesting to me, I have been reading the mega thread and your right this is good info, I am about to start bold ace and trying work out ratios.
 
You were running about the highest doses you see on here for test and eq and it’s usually by people with decades of experience. No worries though you will recover and your bloods were surprisingly good.

I’d take a break and let your levels stabilize and have your e2 come up then pin again in about two weeks. How long since your last injection? @LevButlerov would you agree he should just pin his test400 next time and skip the EQ, let the e2 come up that way.

The prop part of your test isn’t gonna linger it’s the cypionate that will and EQ has a really long half life, longer than cypionate. The whole point is to get your e2 up so we need the e2 to clear. Use about a 2:1 ratio of test to EQ or even 3:1 like you are so with your vials that would be 0.75ml of test (300) and 0.3mL of EQ (100). For deca it’s like 0.15ml (50) so 1.2mL (1.2CC) will be in your syringe and no more than that.

@LevButlerov this is good evidence albeit accidental but really good for the EQ mega thread.
you got it, will do as advised. i believe i am lucky to have donated blood twice in last 8 weeks and will donate again next week, and have been diligent about baby aspirin. I bet that helped as well.

I injected last on Thursday night, and the test I use is also Test Cyp. so no pinning this thursday and next for EQ, but keep TEST and DECA? even deca would have been 150-200mg i assume in the incorrect syringe.
 
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are syringes being reused?
no man just only for demo purpose. not while actual pinning.
Just for demo but you pulled the actual oils with a used syringe? What did you do after demo pics put oil back in vial? And you had mentioned earlier you may have injected some more test because there was some left in syringe. Did you I know what was actcually left in syringe?
 
Just for demo but you pulled the actual oils with a used syringe? What did you do after demo pics put oil back in vial? And you had mentioned earlier you may have injected some more test because there was some left in syringe. Did you I know what was actcually left in syringe?
no it was a new syringe just old and faded. once i too the pic of test pull, I put it back in the vial then used a different needle to pulled EQ took pic and put it back in the vial. I am sorry, is that what you were asking @Warthog603 ?
 
You know next time I will just order pre mixed vials, that way minimizes the number of pins,
are you reusing syringes? why does that look old? @rayray01
and I cannot see marking on it at all
No not reusing them they had been sitting for while and faded. But not using these anymore at all now. Got new one from walgreens
 
Fish oil 1200- used to take 1, upping it to 7
L-Carnitine/L-Tartrate - 2000mg ED morning.
Psyllium Husk - 2000mg ED
Potassium CL - 80 MEQ ED
Glocosamine/Chondratin MSM & Turmeric - 1500mg/500mg, 1000mg, 400mg - 1 ED
Astralagus Root - 550mg 1 ED
Collagen Complex - 1600mg - 1 ED
Cycle Support plus NAC - 2 ED
Magnesium triple complex - 300MG ED
L- Methylfolate - 1000mcg
Kidney Cleanse - 1 cap ED
Liver Detox - 1 ED
Tudca - 250mg 1 cap ED
Bpc157 - 1000mcg 1 cap.ED
Aspirin - 81mg ED
N2Gaurd - 3 ED will start to take 7
HC Generate - 2 capsules ED
You have a perfect supplement stack :D @rayray01
 
You know next time I will just order pre mixed vials, that way minimizes the number of pins,

No not reusing them they had been sitting for while and faded. But not using these anymore at all now. Got new one from walgreens
before you pin again, get new syringes and take pictures of them loaded, this is not correct even from what you posted, you're taking too much @rayray01
 
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Rhythm health test results are back... @LevButlerov
As Lev said, e2 needs to come up, maybe need dose adjustment, also CRP being high is a worry, are you taking anything to combat this?
estrogen is too low @rayray01
how much eq you taking? restate your cycle for me please

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @vanlife_gymbum @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
Was this an LCMS test? Might find that a lot of what this test is actually picking up is e1, and e2 is probably non existent if you're running EQ.

CRP is a general inflammation marker and isn't inherently terrible but may indicate something else is going on. I recommend an echocardiogram.
 
I am about to start bold ace and trying work out ratios
Jesus where the hell'd you get that from? I'd love to see that.
and have been diligent about baby aspirin. I bet that helped as well.
I take one ED as well.
U mean increase fish oil to 7 pills or decrease them?
Definitely 7 minimum. I take 8 krill oil and then add more Omega 3's. I'll update my log including supps tomorrow
are you reusing syringes? why does that look old? @rayray01
and I cannot see marking on it at all
I know, I had to eyeball it and knew it was a 5ml because I used 5ml's for my 16-week blast putting 8CC in my ass cheeks :ROFLMAO:
Will do, not pinning eq for next two weeks is my understanding on Thursday when I do test and deca will post it sir
Definitely ZERO eq for minimum two weeks and probably longer it's half life is actually two weeks so we may have to go longer. And post pics for us before you pin and we'll give you the go. And yes, Test and Deca are still firing on all cylinders (at the correct dosage) just no EQ.
CRP is a general inflammation marker and isn't inherently terrible but may indicate something else is going on. I recommend an echocardiogram.
This isn't a bad idea I'd get CRP on your next bloods and if it's high again let us know and post your bloods.
 
Jesus where the hell'd you get that from? I'd love to see that.

I take one ED as well.

Definitely 7 minimum. I take 8 krill oil and then add more Omega 3's. I'll update my log including supps tomorrow

I know, I had to eyeball it and knew it was a 5ml because I used 5ml's for my 16-week blast putting 8CC in my ass cheeks :ROFLMAO:

Definitely ZERO eq for minimum two weeks and probably longer it's half life is actually two weeks so we may have to go longer. And post pics for us before you pin and we'll give you the go. And yes, Test and Deca are still firing on all cylinders (at the correct dosage) just no EQ.

This isn't a bad idea I'd get CRP on your next bloods and if it's high again let us know and post your bloods.
@Gold Standard Labs for the Bold Ace mate, I will DM you a pic when im home
 
Was this an LCMS test? Might find that a lot of what this test is actually picking up is e1, and e2 is probably non existent if you're running EQ.

CRP is a general inflammation marker and isn't inherently terrible but may indicate something else is going on. I recommend an echocardiogram.
I am not sure what is an LCMS Test? These test results are from Rhythm Health
https://rythmhealth.com/

It is a monthly blood test service

I will get an ECG done, could it be because of clen? @R.AP
 
Jesus where the hell'd you get that from? I'd love to see that.

I take one ED as well.

Definitely 7 minimum. I take 8 krill oil and then add more Omega 3's. I'll update my log including supps tomorrow

I know, I had to eyeball it and knew it was a 5ml because I used 5ml's for my 16-week blast putting 8CC in my ass cheeks :ROFLMAO:

Definitely ZERO eq for minimum two weeks and probably longer it's half life is actually two weeks so we may have to go longer. And post pics for us before you pin and we'll give you the go. And yes, Test and Deca are still firing on all cylinders (at the correct dosage) just no EQ.

This isn't a bad idea I'd get CRP on your next bloods and if it's high again let us know and post your bloods.
Will do as advised sir.
 
I know, I had to eyeball it and knew it was a 5ml because I used 5ml's for my 16-week blast putting 8CC in my ass cheeks :ROFLMAO:
it does look like it :D
 
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TRT prescription refill here as well.
Wow a doc who knows how to prescribe dosing that keeps you level... very rare (at least in Canada... I out-physiology-talk my docs and end up telling them what Rx to write me and the dose LOL; most GP's here are half brain dead).
 
Thank you sir....
Why don't you add to your log what we talked about in our DM's and what oral you've decided on and the dose and how long. Do a PED update including the 4-week oral for us so we know what's upcoming. You're in week 7 I believe so it won't be long now.
 
Why don't you add to your log what we talked about in our DM's and what oral you've decided on and the dose and how long. Do a PED update including the 4-week oral for us so we know what's upcoming. You're in week 7 I believe so it won't be long now.
Yes sir will do so tomorrow when I sir on my computer I have a nice template put together for it, will use that and update the log.
 
Yea he is pretty good...
Obviously you do like I do and let the test levels clear to go give bloodwork and end up low T to keep your Rx going? It's silly at this point because I don't use TestE often but I'm addicted to watching them pile up.
 
Yes sir will do so tomorrow when I sir on my computer I have a nice template put together for it, will use that and update the log.
Very good I love it! Looking forward to the new template
 
Obviously you do like I do and let the test levels clear to go give bloodwork and end up low T to keep your Rx going? It's silly at this point because I don't use TestE often but I'm addicted to watching them pile up.
Well I just did blood work for him, will tell him I am on cycle and will revert back to trt dosage part cycle, I hope he will be cool with it. Better to be upfront with him coz impossible for me to explain 1500 test level without being honest
 
Well I just did blood work for him, will tell him I am on cycle and will revert back to trt dosage part cycle, I hope he will be cool with it. Better to be upfront with him coz impossible for me to explain 1500 test level without being honest
By all means be honest, always. Then stare at him and say "you can supervise me as having taken the Hippocratic oath and have a duty to do me no harm, or I'll just do it through EVO" :ROFLMAO:
 
Please review and validate dosage post will be skipping EQ thus thurs/mon and next Thurs/mon but the rest is a go.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy
Yup you’re good.
If you minus the EQ from my layout below it looks like you’re got half of the setup below in your syringe ready to pin. So pin that twice a week and that equals your proper weekly dose (for now - EQ later).

You can put that small of an amount in almost any muscle.
Use about a 2:1 ratio of test to EQ or even 3:1 like you are so with your vials that would be 0.75ml of test (300) and 0.3mL of EQ (100). For deca it’s like 0.15ml (50) so 1.2mL (1.2CC) will be in your syringe and no more than that.
 
Yup you’re good.
If you minus the EQ from my layout below it looks like you’re got half of the setup below in your syringe ready to pin. So pin that twice a week and that equals your proper weekly dose (for now - EQ later).

You can put that small of an amount in almost any muscle.
Thank you for validating it. I prefer my thighs because it's easy for me to see and push the content in without much trouble.
 
Thank you for validating it. I prefer my thighs because it's easy for me to see and push the content in without much trouble.
Just make sure and rotate sites and site areas. Don’t pin the same spot on the same leg every week. Go high up and to the off centre outside of quad and choose different areas in that general region.

I’d also use your delts which is easy to watch and give your quads a break once in a while.
 
Just make sure and rotate sites and site areas. Don’t pin the same spot on the same leg every week. Go high up and to the left of centre and choose different areas.

I’d also use your delts which is easy to watch and give your quads a break once in a while.
Yes of course will definitely rotate it as advised.
 
Correct Dosage for 300mg/week broken down into 2 ( 150mg) for Testosterone in 1ml syringe

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

Correct Dosage for 50mg/week broken down into 2 (25mg) for Deca. In 1ml syringe.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

Correct Dosage for 100mg/week broken down into 2 (50mg) for EQ in 1ml syringe.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

Correct Dosage combined 150mg test+ 50mg eq+ 25mg deca in 2.5ml syringe taken twice a week.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy

Please review and validate dosage post will be skipping EQ thus thurs/mon and next Thurs/mon but the rest is a go.

@LevButlerov @HarleyGuy
Those doses are fine, but rotate sites @rayray01 as @HarleyGuy said
 
Cycle Tracker Update

Post discussion with @HarleyGuy, planning to finish the Cycle with last 4 weeks with Anavar 25mg daily. @LevButlerov , Kindly review and let me know if that will be ok to add as a finisher please.

Week 8 and 9 EQ is on Hold till E2 levels come back up.

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That's fien but I would cut your test down to 500mgs for now same with eq cut that down to 200mgs. @rayray01
 
That's fien but I would cut your test down to 500mgs for now same with eq cut that down to 200mgs. @rayray01
Hey @LevButlerov, sligthly confused, so should I keep the cycle at 500/200/50 (Test/EQ/Deca) or do what originally planned @ 300/100/50?

Also should I skip 2 weeks.of EQ as advised to get my E2 levels back up?? Or ok to continue at a lower dose.

The cycle tracker shows high because of the wrong syringe usage. But I got the right syringes whichever you advice will proceed that route... please advise!!
 
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