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Ya pretty sad to see him these days. Teaching us lessons even when unintended.
@BeMe awesome work bro congrats!
Log Day 82
Final cycle phase starting.
300 test/ 250 Primo/ 300 NPP/ 30 Var/ 25 Proviron
I didn't increase my Primo because I didn't see the point with only 4 weeks left in my cycle. Maybe I'm wrong? If so please let me know. My thinking was my test in estrogen are in pretty good balance right now so why mess with it and 50mgs of extra primo probably won't even be felt until after my cycle is over.
First time pinning my pec last night. Think it went pretty smoothly. No pain this morning. Thanks @stevesmi for the great advice on that one.
Sky looks orange this morning, more forest fire smoke in the air again. Gonna rearrange my work schedule to work more indoors today. Working in the heat and smoke is pretty brutal on your respiratory system.
Recovery is very high today. Yesterday was a high output work day and my Whoop strap said I over reached and pushed my limits. Then I did my back day lol.
Messed up my pre-workout routine and I was pretty tired so no progression yesterday. Basically all the same numbers as last week
Final cycle phase starting.
300 test/ 250 Primo/ 300 NPP/ 30 Var/ 25 Proviron
I didn't increase my Primo because I didn't see the point with only 4 weeks left in my cycle. Maybe I'm wrong? If so please let me know. My thinking was my test in estrogen are in pretty good balance right now so why mess with it and 50mgs of extra primo probably won't even be felt until after my cycle is over.
First time pinning my pec last night. Think it went pretty smoothly. No pain this morning. Thanks @stevesmi for the great advice on that one.
Sky looks orange this morning, more forest fire smoke in the air again. Gonna rearrange my work schedule to work more indoors today. Working in the heat and smoke is pretty brutal on your respiratory system.
Recovery is very high today. Yesterday was a high output work day and my Whoop strap said I over reached and pushed my limits. Then I did my back day lol.
Messed up my pre-workout routine and I was pretty tired so no progression yesterday. Basically all the same numbers as last week
bro yeah just be careful on tren with anger. got lots of holes in trailer wall while on tren
yeah i don't even care how much i can bench anymore. i just want to look good
yeah i would be living there lol
Lol just from the Tren?
I think I should be ok. I used to have a really short fuse but I've worked pretty hard on it over the years. I haven't hopped outta my truck in traffic on anyone in a long time.
My plan is to have my wife keep tabs on me just incase I start getting wild again and don't realize it. The NPP I'm on now has fueled up my aggression a bit but I caught myself and just count to 10 and chill. @BodyMonster34
It's crazy how much just counting to 10 can help
I'm with you bro. Now that I finally hit 2 plates the rest is all gravy.
Me too if I could. For now just keep grinding away in the city til I got a little bit of fuck you money
Fuck yeah dude!! That is phenomenal bews brother with the bench, i felt that way when i finally broke the weight i did on decline bench
Thanks bro.
I know it's not a lot, and it's kinda silly that it matters so much for some reason, but a 2 plate bench is always one of those must haves as a weight lifter and I never thought I'd get it with all my issues. I got the 4 plate dead and 3 plate squat so easy but the 2 plate bench always seemed unobtanium for me.
The 2 plate was really the last number I really cared about hitting. From now on everything is gravy lol
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@BeMe yup the real lesson is dont do what Ronnie did.
Nice keeping the macros high and stable, growing.
Tricep horseshoe is intense, your arms are getting way bigger, POWER TOP
Thanks @LevButlerov@BeMe yup the real lesson is dont do what Ronnie did.
Nice keeping the macros high and stable, growing.
Tricep horseshoe is intense, your arms are getting way bigger, POWER TOP
Is my logic sound regarding not upping my primo. My thinking was adding 50mg a week for the last 4 weeks wouldn't have any noticeable change because the amount of time it takes to kick in.
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Your logic is sound on primobolan. we have a whole community thread going about primo vs eq, you should check it maybe switch to eq
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ios-a-study-of-equipoise-and-estrogen.105375/
I'll be posting an update in the thread later in the eveneing. @BeMe
It's crazy I'm on information overload lol.
I'm reading mobsters tips thread right now, while listening through all the backlog podcasts, and reading people's logs. What I know know vs just a few months ago is unreal. Evo has been an unreal resource.
I'll definitely give that EQ thread a read. EQ, Tren, and Mast are top of my list for next cycle. @LevButlerov
bro in texas if you hop out of truck to fight people you liable to get shot lol
Yea pretty common here there days too actually lol. It's probably a good thing I don't do that anymore.
Used to be you just had to worry about getting stabbed. Now we have shootings here in Toronto almost everyday now. The governments solutions is to take away our legal guns... retards. I wish this was Texas. The government would never have to balls to try and take people's guns haha. @BodyMonster34
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Just posted an update there for max info overload LOL
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...of-equipoise-and-estrogen.105375/post-1781913
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Love how quickly you were able quickly change your opinion. Thats the sign of an intelligent and evolved man. Pardon the EVO pun lol.Just posted an update there for max info overload LOL
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...of-equipoise-and-estrogen.105375/post-1781913
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Can't wait to see all the blood work and listen to the further back and forth. The endurance side of EQ has me really interested.
When the guys are talking about l-carnitine with GH what's that about? I know l-carnitine gets used for crazy workout pumps but whats the synergy with GH? @LevButlerov
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I like to really read into topics and understand them, so no guessing. @BeMe
l-carnitine with GH lots of guys injecting it, I don't suggest it, waste of a pin lol.
I won't mention that in the other thread...don't want the guys piling on againI like to really read into topics and understand them, so no guessing. @BeMe
l-carnitine with GH lots of guys injecting it, I don't suggest it, waste of a pin lol.
Ya I remember looking into l-carnitine years ago and that's what I heard...waste of money. No benefits other than superficial pumps was the conclusion from what I saw. @LevButlerov
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That other thread is growing you'll see.I won't mention that in the other thread...don't want the guys piling on again
Ya I remember looking into l-carnitine years ago and that's what I heard...waste of money. No benefits other than superficial pumps was the conclusion from what I saw. @LevButlerov
bro i can't have a gun cause i a criminal. a buddy of mine on probation got caught with a gun and cops busted down his trailer door and shot him lol
plus texas got a high crime rate. lot of methheads and drunks.
I think @BeMe is a very level headed guy. Top tren candidate. Also has good bloodwork without medication or excessive supplements, but I didn’t examine everything he’s doing.
I aspire to be level headed, and I can be pretty solid when things get hairy, but no tren for me. I would need a team of people protecting me from my own impulsive tendencies and everything else. I bet I would look super crazy though
bro you need to use it though to earn your manhood
In Mexico they made guns illegal, and if your neighbor rats you out for having guns, the army will show up at your house and torture you until they are satisfied. This can happen anywhere under the right circumstances. Of course, this type of government action has done more to empower criminal enterprises than anything.
That sucks that Toronto has become that way. That’s the kind of stuff I grew up around. There was a drive by shooting at my sister’s high school years ago. Unloaded a clip on the PE class. Killed a kid. Our police force has military grade equipment and they use it. When a cop here shoots a criminal, no one complains really. People are sick of the robberies
100% I will become fully psychotic. I’m a mission oriented person. I need an actual reason that tren is a tool I need to accomplish something. A smash and grab heist? Sounds fun. I heard it’s bad for cardio though
I think people say l-carnitine is a fat burner. It hurts to inject. I just used up the last of what I had, and won’t probably get more. Definitely pros do use it. Maybe when you’re looking to get even the most fractional results, things can be more noticeable.
thats the spirit
You say you can't own a gun....buttt
We all have stuff we aren't supposed to own. It's kinda what this forum is all about lol @BodyMonster34
So get a team goin lol.
Counting to 10 and breathing helped me a lot back in the day. I don't have to do it as often these days cuz of it. I think my wife had a real calming effect on me too. The me from 10 years ago would've been a menace to society on Tren.
Canada is still generally pretty woke so the cops here get a hard time.
Well idk. A guy I used to work with was killed by the cops. They all tased him at the same time. His gf let them into HIS HOUSE because they were fighting. Not great. I’m not too into that.
But then it goes too far and society degrades and all that woke is meaningless in the face of chaos.
I always feel like the law of the jungle ultimately is always in play. Politics, etc, is just a colored lens, or something like that.
Yea the world is always swinging too hard one way or the other. That's what I miss about Canada. It's used to be a truly centerists country. People didn't disagree on much. Usually it was just where and how much the government should spend. Everything else we were all in total agreement.
Law of the jungle would be good to a point, but compassion and support of people worse off than you is also important too. Life should always be about balance, but we've forgotten about that somewhere along the way. I blame the media, especially social media, and the government.
Log Day 83
Recovery was decent yesterday. Had some heavy work days and yesterday was my 3rd day in a row training and I was pretty tired. Still had good progression though. Upped weight or reps on a few sets, so all in all pretty good.
Tried my first pec injection Wednesday night and it went pretty smooth. All was well until I started training. As soon as I hit my first set of dips it got a little sore and still is today. Nothing too bad, just feels like muscle soreness after a heavy chest workout. I'm happy to have a new injection site now. I think a 6 site rotation will work well. I'm injecting 3 times a week now so I can do right side one week then left side the next. With my new Wednesday injection I only did the 100mg of NPP but I think from now on I'll just do all my compounds on all 3 days split up evenly. Up my primo to 260 to keep it easier and I think that will work well.
Recovery was decent yesterday. Had some heavy work days and yesterday was my 3rd day in a row training and I was pretty tired. Still had good progression though. Upped weight or reps on a few sets, so all in all pretty good.
Tried my first pec injection Wednesday night and it went pretty smooth. All was well until I started training. As soon as I hit my first set of dips it got a little sore and still is today. Nothing too bad, just feels like muscle soreness after a heavy chest workout. I'm happy to have a new injection site now. I think a 6 site rotation will work well. I'm injecting 3 times a week now so I can do right side one week then left side the next. With my new Wednesday injection I only did the 100mg of NPP but I think from now on I'll just do all my compounds on all 3 days split up evenly. Up my primo to 260 to keep it easier and I think that will work well.
smooth food and training broly but dont inject chest or calves or quads those offlimits big issues if you hit it wrong @BeMe
Really?? @stevesmi advised.
Hit wrong how? Can you explain please.
If it's just a vein or something I can aspirate and avoid that.
@stevesmi advised I should use my pecs during our consult. He even sent me a website with diagrams and gave me a really good explanation. Straight up from the nipple and toward the center a bit, flex pecs, feel for peak of the pec muscle, pin there. I can feel the spot he's talking about pretty easily.
Seemed pretty straightforward with such clear instructions and pics from @stevesmi
I need my delts and lats for work, can't afford to damage them by pinning.
Bi' s and tri's sound interesting and could work, but Steve was really adamant that PEC is the best option for me.
@BeMe pecs are my favorite muscle to inject. its easy as hell. you just look down and pin. i haven't met a single person who didn't try it who liked it. i get though some people like @LevButlerov get queasy pinning near their heart.
Ya I thought it went really well and your instructions were really clear and easy to follow. I pinned for the first time a couple days ago and I thought it went really well and super convenient like you said @stevesmi
I tried a Google search to find any reasons why intramuscular injections in the pec might be dangerous but I couldn't find a single thing.
you gotta go 6 inches to get anywhere close to the heart. the needles we use are 1.5" max and most of us use 1" so you aren't gonna risk coming anywhere close
bro exactly. imagine in the gym being crazy100% I will become fully psychotic. I’m a mission oriented person. I need an actual reason that tren is a tool I need to accomplish something. A smash and grab heist? Sounds fun. I heard it’s bad for cardio though
bro you want them to break down trailer door or what?
@BeMe very nice volume on this training. pushing some good weights. you won't go wrong
@BeMe bros 6 muscle rotation is good for now. but long term if you really gonna run bigger stacks you might need 8. it just depends i don't that what you want
How soon after injection can you train the muscle @Mobster
I usually pin at night after dinner. So the nearest training session after I pin is probably 18hrs away.
You're running a pretty serious stack, where do you like to pin bro? @2Thick
Bad boys bad boys..whatcha gonna do
bros that a funny question. over years i've changed where i pin. overall i like the bigger muscles. quads, pecs, delts, lats, ventro, glutes. i used to pin in arms too
bros my right pec good. my left pec i don't like. you should try and let us know
bro bad boys finish first you know that
Left left you worry cuz your heart?
I tried my right pec and I loved it. So convenient. Easy to hold steady, felt in total control. All was smooth but the next day when I was training I got a bit of soreness but not bad at all.
I like ventro, but the bigger my chest gets the harder it gets to twist and pin. I'm not a fan of pinning with 1 hand cuz I like to steady the syringe with 1 hand and plunge with the other. The few times I've pinned with 1 hand only I've gotten pretty sore after.
If only that were true haha. We'd be retired in mansions right now
@BeMe Everybody is going to react differently to injection spots. Everyone likes to do the glutes, but I hate the glutes. That's just one example.
Log Day 84
Last rest day of the week and I was pretty tired so I took it easy. Got just under 10k steps from work and a long trail walk the wife and dogs last night.
Recovery has been really on point this week. Looking back through my tracking it looks like from week 2 on the NPP til now my recovery has been much improved. It will be interesting to see how this changes now that I've added an extra 100mg a week of NPP this week and my training starts to ramp up.
Bodyweight seems to be stuck around 187lbs these past 2 weeks. I've been eating what used to be surplus calories pretty consistently over these weeks but the scale isn't moving. This week I averaged 4135kcal. Not sure how I could possibly eat more without changing my diet to more high cal food.
Quick update photo I took before hoping in the shower before bed last night.
Last rest day of the week and I was pretty tired so I took it easy. Got just under 10k steps from work and a long trail walk the wife and dogs last night.
Recovery has been really on point this week. Looking back through my tracking it looks like from week 2 on the NPP til now my recovery has been much improved. It will be interesting to see how this changes now that I've added an extra 100mg a week of NPP this week and my training starts to ramp up.
Bodyweight seems to be stuck around 187lbs these past 2 weeks. I've been eating what used to be surplus calories pretty consistently over these weeks but the scale isn't moving. This week I averaged 4135kcal. Not sure how I could possibly eat more without changing my diet to more high cal food.
Quick update photo I took before hoping in the shower before bed last night.
Just about to do my supplement prep for the week and I thought now is as good a time as any to do an updated supplement list.
Multivitamins (2 different types)
Metabolic synergy (Metabolic support)
Glucosamine
Omega 3
Vitamin D
Vitamin A
Vitamin C
Vitamin K2
Vitamin B12
Magnesium malate
Magnesium complex
Niacin
Tudca
COQ10
Citrus Bergamot
Digestive Enzymes
Beta Alanine
Taurine
Collagen peptides
Creatine
EAA
Electrolytes
Pink salt
Baking soda
Probiotics
Psyllium husk
Green tea
Multivitamins (2 different types)
Metabolic synergy (Metabolic support)
Glucosamine
Omega 3
Vitamin D
Vitamin A
Vitamin C
Vitamin K2
Vitamin B12
Magnesium malate
Magnesium complex
Niacin
Tudca
COQ10
Citrus Bergamot
Digestive Enzymes
Beta Alanine
Taurine
Collagen peptides
Creatine
EAA
Electrolytes
Pink salt
Baking soda
Probiotics
Psyllium husk
Green tea
Wooooooo that’s a long one. I thought I was taking a bunch of supps. I’m running down my supply and just getting the n2bm stuff. We’ll see how that goes. I was disappointed that my liver enzymes were still out of range after all that.
I had a shot in my glute that had me thinking I was injured. Test prop. That stuff sucks. Idk why I never see people pinning their hip flexor. It’s up front, painless as far as I can tell. I don’t usually pin oils more than a ml at a time, and usually much less. So I can pin almost anywhere. I don’t like quads. Too nervy. Makes you jump. I’ve pinned traps before. That was fine. Love the ventroglute. Mainly I use the glute for large injections. Which kind of sucks because my hands and wrists are trainwrecks, and 3ml and larger syringes are hard to press, so I’m having to reset my hand multiple times.
I wanted to try the n2bm stuff but I couldn't find anyone that sells in Canada. I think there was one guy on eBay selling that would ship to Canada but the prices were kind of crazy
@BeMe i just dont like injecting close to heart myself broly not sure about other mods
there are things you can hit unforeseen but thats the risks we all take to be fair
Damn bro now you got me shook. Maybe I can just use the right pec only to be safe.@BeMe i just dont like injecting close to heart myself broly not sure about other mods
there are things you can hit unforeseen but thats the risks we all take to be fair
that might make it lumpy on 1 side
Lumpy? Really? I don't want lumps on any side lol
It would only get lumpy from scar tissue right? But I shouldn't get scar tissue is I do a job job pinning and rotating
as crazy as this sounds. i like to pin the muscle after i train them. they are nice and warm
Wow that's an interesting idea. Seems really logical though. Warm muscle, better blood flow, less pooling and chance of PIP maybe?
Funny how something as simple as pinning there really isn't much agreement here. Everyone seems to have their own way of doing things.
yes or post shower when they are nice and warm. they will accept the pin more.
Man that's a great tip. Your skin is nice and clean and your body temp is up. That's brilliant really.
I'm definitely adding that to my routine. Thanks bro
yeah worst time IMO is first thing in the morning.
That makes total sense too
you ask a lot of questions but thats good. i like to pin my delts the most. and rotate glutes
bros my left muscles hate injections lol
Thanks for taking the time to answer bro. The main reason I joined EVO is to learn from guys like you. I'm a contractor and apprenticeships are how we learn. Ask questions and listen to what the guys who've done it before are telling you.
I'm here to be a sponge and absorb as much info as people are willing to share. Hopefully I'm not being annoying lol. I read your log and you're obviously doing this at a really high level and your results show it. I can learn a lot from someone like you. I'm not much for book learning, but when someone tells me or shows me something my brain can hold onto it forever.
Lol that's hilarious.
Even when your wife is pinning you your left doesn't like it?
My left never goes as good as my right but I'm pinning myself or wife assisted and I think it has to do with the left being my non dominant side.
Maybe there's something else too it tho like you say.
Log day 85
Solid day of training making some steady progression and hitting most of my targets. Nothing crazy but decent. Trained earlier then usual to free up the rest of my day for some fun outdoor with the wife. Got about 2hrs of riding in, took the dogs on a long walk, great day.
Ordered in last night and I was pretty hungry when we ordered and I ate like shit lol. Ate almost a pound of BBQ brisket and about a quarter pound of pulled pork...with french fries. Pretty high fat dinner and I paid the price today. I didn't eat the visible fat but the brisket was literally floating in fat...tasted great tho.
My recovery tanked today, sleep was off, body temp over night was up, RHR was up during sleep as well. My body was probably working hard to digest all that fat. Not the end of the world to have a cheat meal once and a while tho. Atleast I didn't eat the dinner rolls that came with it haha.
Solid day of training making some steady progression and hitting most of my targets. Nothing crazy but decent. Trained earlier then usual to free up the rest of my day for some fun outdoor with the wife. Got about 2hrs of riding in, took the dogs on a long walk, great day.
Ordered in last night and I was pretty hungry when we ordered and I ate like shit lol. Ate almost a pound of BBQ brisket and about a quarter pound of pulled pork...with french fries. Pretty high fat dinner and I paid the price today. I didn't eat the visible fat but the brisket was literally floating in fat...tasted great tho.
My recovery tanked today, sleep was off, body temp over night was up, RHR was up during sleep as well. My body was probably working hard to digest all that fat. Not the end of the world to have a cheat meal once and a while tho. Atleast I didn't eat the dinner rolls that came with it haha.
If you pin 1 chest and not the other, might be lumpy on one broly lol
If I pin in the right spots maybe my chest will look really big lol
I'll only pin my bi's and tri's and I'll get that Rich Pianna synthol look. Who needs to trainDon’t get too many good ideas
Saw a guy at O’hare airport who was all lumpy from synthol or implants or something, and you could see that he had been huuuumongous, but had completely atrophied. It was a real spectacle man
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Synthol man, you know they inject silicone too right?Saw a guy at O’hare airport who was all lumpy from synthol or implants or something, and you could see that he had been huuuumongous, but had completely atrophied. It was a real spectacle man
Silicon for a booty, synthol in my arms, injection lumps in my pecs. I'll look like a jacked Kim KardashianSynthol man, you know they inject silicone too right?
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That's what Rich Piana did, RIP
Ya bigorexia is a real thing.
You never weighed in on our injection spot discussion @LevButlerov
What's your opinion on pec injections?
What spots do you prefer?
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@BeMe Rich Piana also had mental issues besides bigorexia caused by drug abuse. I hate to talk about a dead man but it's true, may he RIP.
My apologies. We had mod rotation and I was off.
I think pec injections can work if you do them right, but I tend to side with @Npcclassicphysique champ only do it if you need to step on stage.
It's easier to pin shoulders (delts), arms (bis/tris) and lats, with the tried and tested glutes too.
@BeMe nice update brother man. Keep em coming
No need to apologize...that's crazy talk lol @LevButlerov@BeMe Rich Piana also had mental issues besides bigorexia caused by drug abuse. I hate to talk about a dead man but it's true, may he RIP.
My apologies. We had mod rotation and I was off.
I think pec injections can work if you do them right, but I tend to side with @Npcclassicphysique champ only do it if you need to step on stage.
It's easier to pin shoulders (delts), arms (bis/tris) and lats, with the tried and tested glutes too.
I only asked cuz I'm interested in your opinion.
I do glutes and ventro glutes but 4 sites isn't enough I've heard.
Delts are a no go for me because my work is overhead a lot. Can't afford a bad pin messing with my work.
Bis/tris could work but @Mobster says you can't pin a muscle you're training and I do a 5 day split so my bis/tris are getting some work on pretty much everyday.
I guess that leaves lats maybe.
Have you had bad PIP before? I have, but it’s been the longest time, and it was always something known to be painful like test prop, l carnitine, ghk-cu. I don’t always work over my head, usually chest level, or from the ground, but holy shit do I use my shoulders so much and I don’t worry about pinning delts. I wouldn’t worry at all about an ml of test e with a 27g pin in my shoulder. It’s such a convenient place. I am a pin cushion at this point and I may be forgetting… maybe I did used to get pain more often? Only one time it was bad enough that I was really worried and thought I shouldn’t be working like that
It's not so much pip as it is my lack of stability when pinning. When I go 1 handed I find I shake a lot and that needle wiggling around in there just causes issues with the muscle. I do a lot of lighting work, so working overhead for long periods of time. A little bit of soreness for a heavy delt session makes work shittier, so a bad pin would really mess me up. Ventro glutes I can hit with 2 hands, same with pecs which is kinda why I liked it. My wife helps work the plunger when I do my glutes and that's 50/50 whether it goes well or not lol. A sore ass I can deal with tho.
I heard you can get auto injectors for test… my hands are shaky too. My left had can’t even turn small screws and stuff anymore. And when I was new to injecting I shook bad and was really bad at it. I dropped a 10ml syringe with a 1.5” 25g needle into my foot bro. I was like “what am I doing with my life?” Hahaha
Log Day 86
Pretty stiff this morning after yesterday's workout. Feeling pretty tired but according to my trackers I slept pretty well.
Had a ton of office work to do yesterday for the end of Q2 and it messed up my eating schedule. Had to jam most of my eating into a short period of time between 4-8pm. It was pretty surprising how much I was able to eat, even when I thought I was full. Guess that's the NPP at work.
Training was pretty strong yesterday. That was a 2 RIR day but I cheated and took the squats and deadlifts to 1 RIR cuz I'm a meat head. Shoulders, back, and knees are feeling it today.
Pretty stiff this morning after yesterday's workout. Feeling pretty tired but according to my trackers I slept pretty well.
Had a ton of office work to do yesterday for the end of Q2 and it messed up my eating schedule. Had to jam most of my eating into a short period of time between 4-8pm. It was pretty surprising how much I was able to eat, even when I thought I was full. Guess that's the NPP at work.
Training was pretty strong yesterday. That was a 2 RIR day but I cheated and took the squats and deadlifts to 1 RIR cuz I'm a meat head. Shoulders, back, and knees are feeling it today.
bros my wife pin my glutes or sometimes shoulders. anything that i can't get to
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