Just started a cut

[medicateddedicated]

Hey all hope alls good,i just started my cut,basically going from 3000cals to 1800 per day also burning 1000cals daily(according to smart watch)
Monday-chest,tri,s,abs 15min cardio
Tuesday back,bis , 15min cardio
Wednesday -off
Thursday -shoulders,traps,abs 15min cardio
Friday-off
Saturday-legs,abs

 

[StoryOfTheProphet]

What is your chem protocol like

 

[LevButlerov]

Hey all hope alls good,i just started my cut,basically going from 3000cals to 1800 per day also burning 1000cals daily(according to smart watch)
Monday-chest,tri,s,abs 15min cardio
Tuesday back,bis , 15min cardio
Wednesday -off
Thursday -shoulders,traps,abs 15min cardio
Friday-off
Saturday-legs,abs

welcome to the EVO family @medicateddedicated sorry I missed this I dont know how it was in my mod que old post.
are you on cycle now?

 

[medicateddedicated]

Kinda ,av been getting bad acne as i was takinh too much gear at the time a was on
Test e300 1ml twice weekly
Mast p 150 0.3ml ed
Anavar 50mg daily
So after the spots ive reduced drastically to

Test e 300 1ml weekly
So gona do that for a month then av just ordered hgh from 2 diffrent sources ,hopefully they arrive then based on previous hgh use am gona run 4iu daily for about 2wks (hopefulyy notice sides,sore foreamrs etc)as imo al know its gtg then al reduce to 2ius daily plus the test e so then al be running some,dbols aswell lol cycle will be something like this
Test e300 1ml twice weekly
Dbol 20mg daily
Hgh 2-4iu daily(4iu split morn-night )
Oh also in regards to my cut av lost 14 pounds and still maintaining strength lost a few reps but not dropped weight

 

[s.gentz]

asically going from 3000cals to 1800 per day also burning 1000cals daily(according to smart watch)

This is not good. Your way too low on cals for just starting. You should be dropping in 200-500cal increments. At 1800 casl you have 0 room to drop when loss stalls. You've set yourself up for failure and a messed up metabolism.

 

[Dreamer]

This is not good. Your way too low on cals for just starting. You should be dropping in 200-500cal increments. At 1800 casl you have 0 room to drop when loss stalls. You've set yourself up for failure and a messed up metabolism.

Not to mention there is not too many people who with a reasonable everyday life and training would need to go that low to cut unless they are quite lean already.

 

[Allupfromhere]

This is not good. Your way too low on cals for just starting. You should be dropping in 200-500cal increments. At 1800 casl you have 0 room to drop when loss stalls. You've set yourself up for failure and a messed up metabolism.

This is being said all the time lately, not sure why people go straight to almost starvation for a 'cut'.

 

[s.gentz]

Not to mention there is not too many people who with a reasonable everyday life and training would need to go that low to cut unless they are quite lean already.

The only reason you would do this is for maybe a 4-5 week period. What he is doing is not sustainable and once his metabolism stalls he will be fucked.

 

[s.gentz]

This is being said all the time lately, not sure why people go straight to almost starvation for a 'cut'.

Because they have 0 idea what they are doing. It's the more(or less) is better mentality. They will learn when the diet fails and they put on a ton of fat when they bring cals up again and their metabolism is shit.

 

[LevButlerov]

Kinda ,av been getting bad acne as i was takinh too much gear at the time a was on
Test e300 1ml twice weekly
Mast p 150 0.3ml ed
Anavar 50mg daily
So after the spots ive reduced drastically to

Test e 300 1ml weekly
So gona do that for a month then av just ordered hgh from 2 diffrent sources ,hopefully they arrive then based on previous hgh use am gona run 4iu daily for about 2wks (hopefulyy notice sides,sore foreamrs etc)as imo al know its gtg then al reduce to 2ius daily plus the test e so then al be running some,dbols aswell lol cycle will be something like this
Test e300 1ml twice weekly
Dbol 20mg daily
Hgh 2-4iu daily(4iu split morn-night )
Oh also in regards to my cut av lost 14 pounds and still maintaining strength lost a few reps but not dropped weight

Good you pulled the gear back because that stack would flare acne on anyone @medicateddedicated
Before you touch HGH and dbol you need to start a proper log with your training food and weights so we can guide you clean and keep you from repeating the same issue.

 

[medicateddedicated]

IN terms of the cut i done ,it was 1900 and its working for me ,i wanted to lose weight fast witch i did 14pounds in a month ,this isnt my first rodeo in fitness also i log everything ,training ,diet, roids etc ,iv only just started back not even a year yet but my mindset at this point is too experiment ,like the cut was severe in terms of calories and yes i was fuked physicaly but i enjoyed the mental challange of it tbh and im seeing what works whats wrong with expirementing with diffrent methods etc aslong as ur putting the work in at the gym thats the main thing ,but yeah moving forward im definetly going to refine things tweak certain things etc,..
Like the only way imo to learn from things is to do it ie upping steroid doses like iv learnt personally from doing so and moving forward im gonna take alot less etc

 

[s.gentz]

IN terms of the cut i done ,it was 1900 and its working for me ,i wanted to lose weight fast witch i did 14pounds in a month ,this isnt my first rodeo in fitness also i log everything ,training ,diet, roids etc ,iv only just started back not even a year yet but my mindset at this point is too experiment ,like the cut was severe in terms of calories and yes i was fuked physicaly but i enjoyed the mental challange of it tbh and im seeing what works whats wrong with expirementing with diffrent methods etc aslong as ur putting the work in at the gym thats the main thing ,but yeah moving forward im definetly going to refine things tweak certain things etc,..
Like the only way imo to learn from things is to do it ie upping steroid doses like iv learnt personally from doing so and moving forward im gonna take alot less etc

I don't think you are grasping what is being said. You can either listen to people who know what they are doing or you can spin your wheels. Just trying to look out for you.
You do you Bro.

 

[medicateddedicated]

Maybe so ,iv always found it hard too communicate no ill taste ment
Let me explain my thought process
Start of cut ,lose as much weight as possible ,wks 1 to 6
Steroid use -experiment larger doses
Wk 4 to 8 then discontinue,,
Reevaluate steroid cycle for a 'clean bulk'
ADjust calorie for cut to 2000 moving forward
also im
6ft ,16st (17st at the start of cut)
Any advice would be greatlt appreaciated

 

[s.gentz]

Maybe so ,iv always found it hard too communicate no ill taste ment
Let me explain my thought process
Start of cut ,lose as much weight as possible ,wks 1 to 6
Steroid use -experiment larger doses
Wk 4 to 8 then discontinue,,
Reevaluate steroid cycle for a 'clean bulk'
ADjust calorie for cut to 2000 moving forward
also im
6ft ,16st (17st at the start of cut)
Any advice would be greatlt appreaciated

You need to think in longer blocks of time. Longer gradual cuts and longer gradual build. What you suggesting is yo-yoing and just arbitrarily adding/subtracting cals. Nothing in this sport happens fast and is not sustainable.
If you want help writing out a long term plan then spend some time thinking about long term goals and post them here and tag me. Happy to help but I need solid info.
Also post a physique pic so we can see where you are at.

 

[medicateddedicated]

100% understand all i can say about the yo yoing is im tryna figure that out like iv been training consistenlt for about 5month ,so far just tryna figure out cycle n best training to suit long term for example ma next cycle
Test e300 1ml twice weekly or .5ml 4xwkly
Deca300 .5ml x2wkly
Also the hgh im getting is 24iu so does that mean 2.4ml water to reconstitute?
Also how long does the vial keep after the waters added iv previously onlt used 10iu so at 2iu daily the vial lasts 5days

 

[medicateddedicated]

100% understand all i can say about the yo yoing is im tryna figure that out like iv been training consistenlt for about 5month ,so far just tryna figure out cycle n best training to suit long term for example ma next cycle
Test e300 1ml twice weekly or .5ml 4xwkly
Deca300 .5ml x2wkly
Also the hgh im getting is 24iu so does that mean 2.4ml water to reconstitute?
Also how long does the vial keep after the waters added iv previously onlt used 10iu so at 2iu daily the vial lasts 5days

pic

 

[s.gentz]

100% understand all i can say about the yo yoing is im tryna figure that out like iv been training consistenlt for about 5month ,so far just tryna figure out cycle n best training to suit long term for example ma next cycle
Test e300 1ml twice weekly or .5ml 4xwkly
Deca300 .5ml x2wkly
Also the hgh im getting is 24iu so does that mean 2.4ml water to reconstitute?
Also how long does the vial keep after the waters added iv previously onlt used 10iu so at 2iu daily the vial lasts 5days

So you have a little bit of muscle but you also have a fair bit of bodyfat.
You've been training consistently for only 5 months. Let's not worry about a "cycle" right now. Drugs are only a small part of the equation. Let's make sure diet and training are on point and you keep up the consistancy. Building a physique takes a long time and a consistent routine.
Start a log and list diet/training daily. See my logs for both building and cutting below. Your welcome to use as a template. Just start a new thread with the word "log" in the title and we will get you set up.
What I recommend after starting the log is dropping your test down to TRT level of 125-150mg/wk. Run that for 4 months and in that time get bloodwork done to see how healthy you are and work on body composition. Not a crash diet bt a good structured cut. The TRT test will be more than enough for this. Once we get you there and bloods look good we can work on building you a cycle that will set you up for success and we can guide you the entire way.
How does this plan sound??
What are your maintenance cals? We need to go there to do this properly. Once you know that we can put together the proper cals/macos to continue your diet. Don't stay at the cals your at. Your gonna mess up your metabolism. Take a step back here so we can make greta progrees going forward.

About the GH. If you want to take it now that's fine but start with 1-2iu/day taken in the morning when you rise prior to eating. This will help with fat mobilization. Can you do fasted cardio when you get up? 15min?
For the GH can you get smaller vials? 10iu(3.33mg) works best as you can use it up in a week. Once you reconstitute GH you really need to use it with two weeks before it starts to degrade.

@LevButlerov

 

[Dreamer]

So you have a little bit of muscle but you also have a fair bit of bodyfat.
You've been training consistently for only 5 months. Let's not worry about a "cycle" right now. Drugs are only a small part of the equation. Let's make sure diet and training are on point and you keep up the consistancy. Building a physique takes a long time and a consistent routine.
Start a log and list diet/training daily. See my logs for both building and cutting below. Your welcome to use as a template. Just start a new thread with the word "log" in the title and we will get you set up.
What I recommend after starting the log is dropping your test down to TRT level of 125-150mg/wk. Run that for 4 months and in that time get bloodwork done to see how healthy you are and work on body composition. Not a crash diet bt a good structured cut. The TRT test will be more than enough for this. Once we get you there and bloods look good we can work on building you a cycle that will set you up for success and we can guide you the entire way.
How does this plan sound??
What are your maintenance cals? We need to go there to do this properly. Once you know that we can put together the proper cals/macos to continue your diet. Don't stay at the cals your at. Your gonna mess up your metabolism. Take a step back here so we can make greta progrees going forward.

About the GH. If you want to take it now that's fine but start with 1-2iu/day taken in the morning when you rise prior to eating. This will help with fat mobilization. Can you do fasted cardio when you get up? 15min?
For the GH can you get smaller vials? 10iu(3.33mg) works best as you can use it up in a week. Once you reconstitute GH you really need to use it with two weeks before it starts to degrade.

@LevButlerov

Solid Solid advice @medicateddedicated, you should absolutely listen here, you do have a good base, but even with gear on board you risk as @s.gentz said fucking your metabolism or worse losing the lean mass you do have, I started cutting at 3200, stepped down to 2600 back up to about 2800, and while I am not on @s.gentz level I have got myself pretty lean and held my muscle. At times I feel even my calories were too low - this is a marathon not a sprint

 

[medicateddedicated]

I will do thanks for the advice my diet is chicken and eggs and water with occasional yoghurt fruits apples bananas berrys on the hgh i can only get 10iu 24iu n 36iu
When i ran 10iu it was 1ml water per vial
So with 24iu is it 2.4ml per vial thats my main concern rite now just going for workout just now also im doing cardio 3x weekly
30mins vary speed but run 1mile in 9+mins x2wkly

 

[Dreamer]

I will do thanks for the advice my diet is chicken and eggs and water with occasional yoghurt fruits apples bananas berrys on the hgh i can only get 10iu 24iu n 36iu
When i ran 10iu it was 1ml water per vial
So with 24iu is it 2.4ml per vial thats my main concern rite now just going for workout just now also im doing cardio 3x weekly
30mins vary speed but run 1mile in 9+mins x2wkly

You can mix it however you like, just need to work out the iu per ml.
2.4ml in a 24iu - 2iu would be .2ml

 

[medicateddedicated]

Just want to do it how its ment to be
So 2.4ml to 24iu
Would it keep for 12days cos idealy want to run 2iu daily possibly 4iu at start for 1st couple weeks to see if a get sides just for my minds sake as want to make sure its hgh

 

[s.gentz]

I will do thanks for the advice my diet is chicken and eggs and water with occasional yoghurt fruits apples bananas berrys on the hgh i can only get 10iu 24iu n 36iu
When i ran 10iu it was 1ml water per vial
So with 24iu is it 2.4ml per vial thats my main concern rite now just going for workout just now also im doing cardio 3x weekly
30mins vary speed but run 1mile in 9+mins x2wkly

Tag me when you start your log. Once you get that going we can get everything dialed in. You mention you track everything so it shoulf be very easy. Cheers
@s.gentz

 

[LevButlerov]

IN terms of the cut i done ,it was 1900 and its working for me ,i wanted to lose weight fast witch i did 14pounds in a month ,this isnt my first rodeo in fitness also i log everything ,training ,diet, roids etc ,iv only just started back not even a year yet but my mindset at this point is too experiment ,like the cut was severe in terms of calories and yes i was fuked physicaly but i enjoyed the mental challange of it tbh and im seeing what works whats wrong with expirementing with diffrent methods etc aslong as ur putting the work in at the gym thats the main thing ,but yeah moving forward im definetly going to refine things tweak certain things etc,..
Like the only way imo to learn from things is to do it ie upping steroid doses like iv learnt personally from doing so and moving forward im gonna take alot less etc

Maybe so ,iv always found it hard too communicate no ill taste ment
Let me explain my thought process
Start of cut ,lose as much weight as possible ,wks 1 to 6
Steroid use -experiment larger doses
Wk 4 to 8 then discontinue,,
Reevaluate steroid cycle for a 'clean bulk'
ADjust calorie for cut to 2000 moving forward
also im
6ft ,16st (17st at the start of cut)
Any advice would be greatlt appreaciated

100% understand all i can say about the yo yoing is im tryna figure that out like iv been training consistenlt for about 5month ,so far just tryna figure out cycle n best training to suit long term for example ma next cycle
Test e300 1ml twice weekly or .5ml 4xwkly
Deca300 .5ml x2wkly
Also the hgh im getting is 24iu so does that mean 2.4ml water to reconstitute?
Also how long does the vial keep after the waters added iv previously onlt used 10iu so at 2iu daily the vial lasts 5days

pic

Just want to do it how its ment to be
So 2.4ml to 24iu
Would it keep for 12days cos idealy want to run 2iu daily possibly 4iu at start for 1st couple weeks to see if a get sides just for my minds sake as want to make sure its hgh

Good info thank you @s.gentz for talking to @medicateddedicated
You have a good base in the pics with strong shoulders and big arms and we can make improvements fast once things are structured. Your plan is fine to learn from but the EVO family can help you refine every part of the recomp and gear setup so you need to start a full log because we know nothing about your training days food and weekly structure yet. A log will take you 15min to start as you're already in the game

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

• Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
• Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
• The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
• Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

• Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
• It will take 15-20 minutes max.
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[R.AP]

Hey all hope alls good,i just started my cut,basically going from 3000cals to 1800 per day also burning 1000cals daily(according to smart watch)
Monday-chest,tri,s,abs 15min cardio
Tuesday back,bis , 15min cardio
Wednesday -off
Thursday -shoulders,traps,abs 15min cardio
Friday-off
Saturday-legs,abs

Hey mate welcome to the forum!


Those smart watches can be as high as 95% inaccurate (on the far end of the spectrum) and don't provide much honest insight for you, other than trends in output over time.

How do you feel on the 1, 800 cals? What sort of foods are you eating?

Would love to see some progress pics as you go!

@LevButlerov

 

[waggat]

Definitely agree with @s.gentz

You don't need to do anything crazy with your diet. You have a pretty good base so just need to slowly lose some fat.

You split looks like a classic BB 4-way which is good. Can you post a sample workout with weights.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Maybe so ,iv always found it hard too communicate no ill taste ment
Let me explain my thought process
Start of cut ,lose as much weight as possible ,wks 1 to 6
Steroid use -experiment larger doses
Wk 4 to 8 then discontinue,,
Reevaluate steroid cycle for a 'clean bulk'
ADjust calorie for cut to 2000 moving forward
also im
6ft ,16st (17st at the start of cut)
Any advice would be greatlt appreaciated

Change all these numbers form weeks to months and then you'll be in a better spot.

Lose weight for Month 1-6

And bro, you can't do a 4-week run of steroid PED's and know what is going on with your body and it's response to them in 4 weeks and "reevaluate" after 4 weeks.

Change the word "weeks" to "months"

Steroid use -experiment larger doses
Month 4 to month 8 (a 16-week cycle) THEN discontinue and reevalute meanwhile Month 1-6 you're losing weight at a much slower pace than your caloric intake above that you suggested.

This is a marathon not a sprint for steady fat loss over time and PED's don't work this way either, PED's are a marathon and not a sprint especially when starting off overweight and wanting to lose a ton of body fat.

 

[medicateddedicated]

Hey mate welcome to the forum!


Those smart watches can be as high as 95% inaccurate (on the far end of the spectrum) and don't provide much honest insight for you, other than trends in output over time.

How do you feel on the 1, 800 cals? What sort of foods are you eating?

Would love to see some progress pics as you go!

@LevButlerov

Its 1994cals ,the app a got worked out my weight lose goal to go from 17st to 15st
Starting 20oct and 52 days left(according to the app) based on training 4 times a week , it may not be accurate but it got me started on my journey, and food wise been very strict tbh
Chicken(difrent sauces keeps me going)
Eggs,boiled/scrambled
Apples,oranges ,raspberrys,blueberries
Yoghurts
Diluting juice
Treats would be pizza once a fortnight
I Uploaded a couple pics in this thread im sure there about a month apart
17st in one and 16st in the other

 

[R.AP]

Its 1994cals ,the app a got worked out my weight lose goal to go from 17st to 15st
Starting 20oct and 52 days left(according to the app) based on training 4 times a week , it may not be accurate but it got me started on my journey, and food wise been very strict tbh
Chicken(difrent sauces keeps me going)
Eggs,boiled/scrambled
Apples,oranges ,raspberrys,blueberries
Yoghurts
Diluting juice
Treats would be pizza once a fortnight
I Uploaded a couple pics in this thread im sure there about a month apart
17st in one and 16st in the other

Mate, and to be honest anything that will help get someone started on their journey is a win. Yogurt is a win for digestion and there are few goodies in here but plenty of optimisation to be had.

Can I recommend some more:

- Potassium: Potatoes, tomatos, apricots, banana, heart salt
- Fermented food items: Kimchi, saurkraut, kombucha or;
- Pickled food items for digestion
- Omega 3's and 9's: Avo, dark choco, waknuts, macadamia nuts, seafood
- Iron; red meats
- Nitrates: Beetroot, spinach

@LevButlerov

 

[HarleyGuy]

- Nitrates: Beetroot, spinach

This is interesting. I was under the impression these weren't healthy but do you mean eating them for N.O?