Approved Log Testosterone Cypionate + proviron cycle Log

[chop09333]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

 

[chop09333]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

Any advice on dosage of Aromasin til Monday would be much appreciated. I was thinking 12.5ed...

 

[chop09333]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

I've just found out that the st johns wort I've been taking for a while decreases my bonus exposure to aromasin. Explains alot. Needless to say I've dropped that out as of today and hopefully it helps.

 

[LevButlerov]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

Any advice on dosage of Aromasin til Monday would be much appreciated. I was thinking 12.5ed...

@chop09333 after your last thread, now fully welcome to the EVO family, happy to see you share a LOG!

I followed your last thread, to those new, this is @chop09333 original Q:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-not-going-well.100506

A few things before we go deep into Q/A, please share more with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, Please share actual meals and foods you eating now as you go with some macros
Training and cardio, please share actual exercises reps and sets you doing and when, weights and times would help
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
are you taking supps? which kind? probiotics?
n2guard for organ liver support?

Pictures
please share pics of your body with face blurred so we see base
please share pics of meals and foods
pics of your training
pics of cardio done
and pics of your gear you're using
pics of supplements would help as well

Q/A
For your cycle you need to buy n2guard for organ liver support: take 7caps ed
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

Your nipples and E2: to be fair food and training play a huge role in hormone levels, including estrogen and cortisol.
I suggest try this:
Lower testosterone dose to 300mgs/week sports TRT (or if you have 250mgs/ml just do 250mgs 1ml pin in 2 shots)
Start using aromasin only 2 times per week, Tuesday Friday, each time 6.25mgs.
Add tamoxifen (nolvadex) 40mgs /day to clear up the nipps
thats the easiest option to follow

 

[chop09333]

Today's training

Inclined press machine: 3 sets 40-50 kg per side 10-12 reps (I use this for chest and shoulders as shoulder presses are out for me due to a bad shoulder)

Cable press: 3 sets can't remember weight

Low to high cable flys: 3 sets

Dips: 3 sets

Tricep pushdown short bar: 3 sets

Overhead tri extension rope: 3 sets

Lateral dumbell raises: 5 sets 10-8kg

 

[chop09333]

Gear I'm using. I'll be getting onto n2gaurd. Just dosed 20mg nolva, to be on the cautious side. If there's no bad side effects I'll up to 40mg tomorrow.

 

[chop09333]

Unfortunately the supplier Lev mentioned above for n2gaurd in in the states. Does anybody have a domestic aus supplier they can recommend?

 

[LevButlerov]

Gear I'm using. I'll be getting onto n2gaurd. Just dosed 20mg nolva, to be on the cautious side. If there's no bad side effects I'll up to 40mg tomorrow.

@chop09333 good gear pics
how about pics of you face blurred it would help us understand base and pic of the gyno for sure please

 

[LevButlerov]

Unfortunately the supplier Lev mentioned above for n2gaurd in in the states. Does anybody have a domestic aus supplier they can recommend?

n2bm ships to Australia easy but they dont have domestic AU option yet, but should IMO

 

[LevButlerov]

Today's training

Inclined press machine: 3 sets 40-50 kg per side 10-12 reps (I use this for chest and shoulders as shoulder presses are out for me due to a bad shoulder)

Cable press: 3 sets can't remember weight

Low to high cable flys: 3 sets

Dips: 3 sets

Tricep pushdown short bar: 3 sets

Overhead tri extension rope: 3 sets

Lateral dumbell raises: 5 sets 10-8kg

training is good, how bad is your shoulder?
dips weighted or not?

any cardio?

thanks for the share please keep sharing

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 good gear pics
how about pics of you face blurred it would help us understand base and pic of the gyno for sure please

Just waiting for the missus to get Gome for decent pics bro

 

[chop09333]

n2bm ships to Australia easy but they dont have domestic AU option yet, but should IMO

I noticed that, but it'll take a while to get here. I'll order from them if I can't come up with a quicker option though.

 

[chop09333]

training is good, how bad is your shoulder?
dips weighted or not?

any cardio?

thanks for the share please keep sharing

No cardio brother. I'm pretty guilty there. I never do it.

Dips unweighted

Shoulder needed a recon ten years ago after an injury. I don't have that option due to having a business to run. Me being the main worker. Since I started working out it doesn't dislocate really anymore. It used to be maybe a fortnightly occurrence, where as I can't remember the last time now. Still dangerous if my arm is above my head though.

 

[LevButlerov]

waiting for updates @chop09333

 

[chop09333]

waiting for updates @chop09333

Missus should be home any minute now to post pics bro. Thanks again for all your help so far. Yesterday I was tearing my hair out. Now I'm still far from 100% but I know I'll work it out with your help. Can't wait to see my bloods to see just why I'm so far out of wack. On another note, that st johns wort I was taking has been blocking the aromasin and will also do the same with the nolva until it's out of my system. But should clear pretty quickly. It makes alot of sense.

 

[chop09333]

I've tried to capture the puffiness at the nipple here. The overall shape of the titties has always been like that

 

[chop09333]

Food from about lunchtime today. Times are rough.

12:00 - Honey chicken and fried rice

2:15 - 1 cup oats and 70-90g whey with little bit of full cream milk

3:00 - train

Ater training - protien shake for vending machine, steak and cheese sub, 600ml orange juice

8:00 - Thai red chicken curry and rice

 

[chop09333]

Also worth adding, I had pubertal gyno. Decent lumps, like small marbles I suppose. They weren't noticeable I don't think, because they didn't bother me in that way. Maybe it wouldn't take much to fire them up?

 

[LevButlerov]

I've tried to capture the puffiness at the nipple here. The overall shape of the titties has always been like that

@chop09333 you look great, amazing muscle base, strong shoulders big arms, its a strong base for this cycle

the nipples are gyno, we need to start 40mgs nolvadex ED asap do you have it yet?

Food from about lunchtime today. Times are rough.

12:00 - Honey chicken and fried rice

2:15 - 1 cup oats and 70-90g whey with little bit of full cream milk

3:00 - train

Ater training - protien shake for vending machine, steak and cheese sub, 600ml orange juice

8:00 - Thai red chicken curry and rice

food is good, but cut the orange juice from the post training, add honesy

and you're eating a lot of carbs/rice, do you have macros for it?

Also worth adding, I had pubertal gyno. Decent lumps, like small marbles I suppose. They weren't noticeable I don't think, because they didn't bother me in that way. Maybe it wouldn't take much to fire them up?

yes looks like you had pre-existing gyno, I would still consider this a "new event"

 

[chop09333]

Ok gotcha. Yes it did come earlier than expected. I dosed 20mg last night, 20mg this morning, and will do 20mg again tonight. Good to hear about the base, and will do on the OJ. I'm also like 89-90kg now where as compared to starting at 84kg. Just thinking about fluid...

I'll add something positive tonight when I've got a minute, to do with proviron. Great stuff.