Approved Log Testosterone Cypionate + proviron cycle Log

[chop09333]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

 

[chop09333]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

Any advice on dosage of Aromasin til Monday would be much appreciated. I was thinking 12.5ed...

 

[chop09333]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

I've just found out that the st johns wort I've been taking for a while decreases my bonus exposure to aromasin. Explains alot. Needless to say I've dropped that out as of today and hopefully it helps.

 

[LevButlerov]

Logging my first ever cycle of
500mg test c weekly
50mg proviron
Aromasin was just on hand, and nolva should be here early next week, for reasons I'll get into.
No real pct plan as I'm planning to stay on trt.

Starting three week's in.

Hieght: 175cm
Starting weight: 84kg
Weight now:88kg

I've been training hard as a natty can for the last 14 months, and have 10kg gains, maybe 8kg lean gains at a push. My diet is really just as high protien and carbs as I can, and not to strict. I'll start logging it and that'll probably get me thinking about it more. Copy and pasted below from my first thread is how it's going so far (fucked) and you'll see the reasons for the nolva.

Ran into spicy nips 9 days in. Which in hindsight may just be adjusting to hormones or the proviron because it seems too soon. From there I started 6.25mg aromasin ed for four days to no avail. Then 12.5 ed for two days to no avail. Then 25 ed for two days and crashed my estrogen I think, just going by what I felt for the next 36 hours. Thay was 5 days ago. I was a moody mess. I couldn't shit, couldn't sleep etc. Just felt fucked. And the spicy nips prevailed through that whole fuck up. Now they seem slightly puffy, but no lumps, and they're less spicy/irritated. I'm now three weeks in, and I've dropped everything but the test. I should have bloods by the end of the week, so hopefully I'll know more then. So you could say nothing is going to plan really. Right now I feel like shit. Not as bad as a five days ago, but not too flash. I really don't want to give up on this, because I haven't felt like I did a week or so ago for a long time. I'd be greatful for any advice from experienced users.

I posted that paragraph last night and since then have dosed 12.5mg Aromasin and back on 50mg ed of proviron. I feel a whole lot better today, but still seem to have puffy but not real irritated nips. I'm not holding fluid around me ankles or anything though. Also I could swear I can feel lumps now. Could be paranoid though.

Nolva and bloods should both be in early next week to make a real plan.

Let me know if I've left anything out.

Any advice on dosage of Aromasin til Monday would be much appreciated. I was thinking 12.5ed...

@chop09333 after your last thread, now fully welcome to the EVO family, happy to see you share a LOG!

I followed your last thread, to those new, this is @chop09333 original Q:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-not-going-well.100506

A few things before we go deep into Q/A, please share more with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, Please share actual meals and foods you eating now as you go with some macros
Training and cardio, please share actual exercises reps and sets you doing and when, weights and times would help
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
are you taking supps? which kind? probiotics?
n2guard for organ liver support?

Pictures
please share pics of your body with face blurred so we see base
please share pics of meals and foods
pics of your training
pics of cardio done
and pics of your gear you're using
pics of supplements would help as well

Q/A
For your cycle you need to buy n2guard for organ liver support: take 7caps ed
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

Your nipples and E2: to be fair food and training play a huge role in hormone levels, including estrogen and cortisol.
I suggest try this:
Lower testosterone dose to 300mgs/week sports TRT (or if you have 250mgs/ml just do 250mgs 1ml pin in 2 shots)
Start using aromasin only 2 times per week, Tuesday Friday, each time 6.25mgs.
Add tamoxifen (nolvadex) 40mgs /day to clear up the nipps
thats the easiest option to follow

 

[chop09333]

Today's training

Inclined press machine: 3 sets 40-50 kg per side 10-12 reps (I use this for chest and shoulders as shoulder presses are out for me due to a bad shoulder)

Cable press: 3 sets can't remember weight

Low to high cable flys: 3 sets

Dips: 3 sets

Tricep pushdown short bar: 3 sets

Overhead tri extension rope: 3 sets

Lateral dumbell raises: 5 sets 10-8kg

 

[chop09333]

Gear I'm using. I'll be getting onto n2gaurd. Just dosed 20mg nolva, to be on the cautious side. If there's no bad side effects I'll up to 40mg tomorrow.

 

[chop09333]

Unfortunately the supplier Lev mentioned above for n2gaurd in in the states. Does anybody have a domestic aus supplier they can recommend?

 

[LevButlerov]

Gear I'm using. I'll be getting onto n2gaurd. Just dosed 20mg nolva, to be on the cautious side. If there's no bad side effects I'll up to 40mg tomorrow.

@chop09333 good gear pics
how about pics of you face blurred it would help us understand base and pic of the gyno for sure please

 

[LevButlerov]

Unfortunately the supplier Lev mentioned above for n2gaurd in in the states. Does anybody have a domestic aus supplier they can recommend?

n2bm ships to Australia easy but they dont have domestic AU option yet, but should IMO

 

[LevButlerov]

Today's training

Inclined press machine: 3 sets 40-50 kg per side 10-12 reps (I use this for chest and shoulders as shoulder presses are out for me due to a bad shoulder)

Cable press: 3 sets can't remember weight

Low to high cable flys: 3 sets

Dips: 3 sets

Tricep pushdown short bar: 3 sets

Overhead tri extension rope: 3 sets

Lateral dumbell raises: 5 sets 10-8kg

training is good, how bad is your shoulder?
dips weighted or not?

any cardio?

thanks for the share please keep sharing

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 good gear pics
how about pics of you face blurred it would help us understand base and pic of the gyno for sure please

Just waiting for the missus to get Gome for decent pics bro

 

[chop09333]

n2bm ships to Australia easy but they dont have domestic AU option yet, but should IMO

I noticed that, but it'll take a while to get here. I'll order from them if I can't come up with a quicker option though.

 

[chop09333]

training is good, how bad is your shoulder?
dips weighted or not?

any cardio?

thanks for the share please keep sharing

No cardio brother. I'm pretty guilty there. I never do it.

Dips unweighted

Shoulder needed a recon ten years ago after an injury. I don't have that option due to having a business to run. Me being the main worker. Since I started working out it doesn't dislocate really anymore. It used to be maybe a fortnightly occurrence, where as I can't remember the last time now. Still dangerous if my arm is above my head though.

 

[LevButlerov]

waiting for updates @chop09333

 

[chop09333]

waiting for updates @chop09333

Missus should be home any minute now to post pics bro. Thanks again for all your help so far. Yesterday I was tearing my hair out. Now I'm still far from 100% but I know I'll work it out with your help. Can't wait to see my bloods to see just why I'm so far out of wack. On another note, that st johns wort I was taking has been blocking the aromasin and will also do the same with the nolva until it's out of my system. But should clear pretty quickly. It makes alot of sense.

 

[chop09333]

I've tried to capture the puffiness at the nipple here. The overall shape of the titties has always been like that

 

[chop09333]

Food from about lunchtime today. Times are rough.

12:00 - Honey chicken and fried rice

2:15 - 1 cup oats and 70-90g whey with little bit of full cream milk

3:00 - train

Ater training - protien shake for vending machine, steak and cheese sub, 600ml orange juice

8:00 - Thai red chicken curry and rice

 

[chop09333]

Also worth adding, I had pubertal gyno. Decent lumps, like small marbles I suppose. They weren't noticeable I don't think, because they didn't bother me in that way. Maybe it wouldn't take much to fire them up?

 

[LevButlerov]

I've tried to capture the puffiness at the nipple here. The overall shape of the titties has always been like that

@chop09333 you look great, amazing muscle base, strong shoulders big arms, its a strong base for this cycle

the nipples are gyno, we need to start 40mgs nolvadex ED asap do you have it yet?

Food from about lunchtime today. Times are rough.

12:00 - Honey chicken and fried rice

2:15 - 1 cup oats and 70-90g whey with little bit of full cream milk

3:00 - train

Ater training - protien shake for vending machine, steak and cheese sub, 600ml orange juice

8:00 - Thai red chicken curry and rice

food is good, but cut the orange juice from the post training, add honesy

and you're eating a lot of carbs/rice, do you have macros for it?

Also worth adding, I had pubertal gyno. Decent lumps, like small marbles I suppose. They weren't noticeable I don't think, because they didn't bother me in that way. Maybe it wouldn't take much to fire them up?

yes looks like you had pre-existing gyno, I would still consider this a "new event"

 

[chop09333]

Ok gotcha. Yes it did come earlier than expected. I dosed 20mg last night, 20mg this morning, and will do 20mg again tonight. Good to hear about the base, and will do on the OJ. I'm also like 89-90kg now where as compared to starting at 84kg. Just thinking about fluid...

I'll add something positive tonight when I've got a minute, to do with proviron. Great stuff.

 

[stevesmi]

Also worth adding, I had pubertal gyno. Decent lumps, like small marbles I suppose. They weren't noticeable I don't think, because they didn't bother me in that way. Maybe it wouldn't take much to fire them up?

It's possible but the best thing you can do is just be careful and maybe stick to non estrogenic steroids

 

[chop09333]

It's possible but the best thing you can do is just be careful and maybe stick to non estrogenic steroids

I'm going to try and stick this one out, as I really do think that the st johns wort I've been taking has been rendering the ai useless, and that's a big part of my problem here. There's alot of info saying bot to take in conjunction with ai and serms. But I hear you and if I can't get it under control, then trt cruise and cycling other steroids is definitely on the cards

 

[Mobster]

Again I'll suggest not WAITING until gyno appears but manage the possibility from day 1

 

[chop09333]

Again I'll suggest not WAITING until gyno appears but manage the possibility from day 1

I wish I had of, and I wish I'd taken a better look on here before starting cycle, because I might not be in this position, but I'm greatful for the help now.

 

[chop09333]

Proviron

I thought it was worth a mention because as soon as started taking it again the last few days I think it has pulled me through a real rough patch. Maybe because of anti estrogenic effects, but I don't know enough to say.

From day one my libido was that of a 21 year old again, which was very welcome as the last few years it's slowly dropped off, not to mention I'd been blowing quicker and quicker when I did bother. Now I'm a fucking pornstar

My confidence went through the roof and I feel very capable and switched on.

In the gym, the difference wasn't massive as far as strength goes, but maybe a little. Endurance went straight up, and so did work out quality. I was having a blast and it was obvious to me and those around me.

I'm no expert but this was from day one, so that's what I attribute it to.

Just my experience.

 

[chop09333]

Legs today

Leg press - 4x15 260kg machine included (64kg)

Leg extensions - 3x18 77kg

Prone Leg curl - 3x12 36kg

Calf's on press - 3x12-16

My normal quick leg day that is. Not so much now the juice is kicking in, but it's always left me sore, so I figure it's enough. And I go hard while I'm there on this.

 

[chop09333]

Nipples are still puffy as shit. And can locate some tissue underneath.

 

[chop09333]

Food

Breakfast: shake - 1 cup oats, 70-90g whey (this is always the same shake I make, so I'll probably start referring to it as just a shake)

Lunch/post training 12:00: the day got away from me here - chicken cheese and mayo toasted sandwich from the deli and a few gummies.

Training: munched on a couple of gummies here too.

Post training announced 2:00: Zambreros burrito, will attach nutrition info in a photo.

6:00: bowl of cereal 50g carbs maybe more

Dinner plans: 200g scotch fillet and pasta 50g carbs

 

[chop09333]

Dinner

 

[ceo]

bros I don't let gyno get out of hand

 

[ROIDDERS]

worst case you'll have to get surgery and have the gland taken out

 

[chesty]

I would keep your eye on blood work like a hawk make sure the estrogen doesn't go up at all

 

[chop09333]

worst case you'll have to get surgery and have the gland taken out

It's not hard tissue like when I was a teen, so let's just hope I can back the test off and get it under control with the nolva. Ive been reading threads where it does take a week or more to get it under control. Surgery is ridiculously expensive here. A plastic would be the only person who'd be interested I'd say.

 

[chop09333]

I would keep your eye on blood work like a hawk make sure the estrogen doesn't go up at all

That's the plan brother. When my bloods come back on monday/Tuesday I'll post and make a plan with help. And keep doing bloods fortnightly for the time being. Hopefully the 40mg nolva ed will save me in the meantime, and there's a fair chance I'll have to halve the test by the sounds of it

 

[Ulter]

don't let your estrogen be too low either you still need estrogen as a man

 

[e2]

the foods you eat can also cause estrogen issues

 

[chop09333]

don't let your estrogen be too low either you still need estrogen as a man

Thanks bro. Pretty sure I did exactly that a week ago. Seems i bounced back pretty quick. I think that's the reason for Lev's approach with just 6.25mg aromasin twice weekly but 40mg nolva ed. To keep me covered without crashing it. I'm probably gonna meet him in the middle there and go a bit more aromasin, due to acne, fluid body fat etc.

 

[2Thick]

gotta get your diet cleaned up man I'm seeing a lot of junk food

 

[Vadim Fedorov]

check out the other logs and look at what guys are eating

 

[chop09333]

gotta get your diet cleaned up man I'm seeing a lot of junk food

Yeah I know, I'm not overly strict. I'll try and do a cook up tomorrow, but I can't see myself getting too strict honestly. I know I should, but I'm not gonna pretend I will, when I probably won't.

 

[chop09333]

check out the other logs and look at what guys are eating

Ok ill do that.

 

[Wootoom]

you have to meal prep your food man you can't be depending on going to the deli and taking shakes and eating things out of boxes

 

[chop09333]

you have to meal prep your food man you can't be depending on going to the deli and taking shakes and eating things out of boxes

Yeah I'm starting to get that now. I'll have a look at others logs tomorrow. Honestly I've never been very strict on the diet. I'll have to learn quick I suppose.

 

[JasonPriest]

I agree with everybody your diet needs a complete overhaul

 

[BodyMonster34]

bro no wonder you got estrogen issues your diet lots of estrogen Foods

 

[chop09333]

Ok I'll get onto the diet guys. I gotta ask though, is there alot alot of estrogenic things your seeing or just a shitty diet?

 

[chop09333]

bro no wonder you got estrogen issues your diet lots of estrogen Foods

Oh well that answers that question. Thanks bro. Which ones?

 

[Quadsweep]

all the processed and fake Foods you're eating isn't helping your situation
time to completely reboot your diet

 

[chop09333]

all the processed and fake Foods you're eating isn't helping your situation
time to completely reboot your diet

Honestly I have never been strict on diet, but I didn't realise it was that bad. I'll be looking at some logs and doing some cooking tomorrow by the looks of it. Thanks mate.

 

[RoidRage69]

Eat rice, lean meats, and veggies.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

Yeah I know, I'm not overly strict. I'll try and do a cook up tomorrow, but I can't see myself getting too strict honestly. I know I should, but I'm not gonna pretend I will, when I probably won't.

@chop09333 you'll have to make a discipline with diet...once you develop that discipline you will no longer have cravings for junk.......

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 you'll have to make a discipline with diet...once you develop that discipline you will no longer have cravings for junk.......

Thanks bro. I got no problems being disciplined. It just I'm a thought an. I'll make time though.

 

[LevButlerov]

Honestly I have never been strict on diet, but I didn't realise it was that bad. I'll be looking at some logs and doing some cooking tomorrow by the looks of it. Thanks mate.

Thanks bro. I got no problems being disciplined. It just I'm a thought an. I'll make time though.

@chop09333 lets try to do a bit of meal prep its cheaper since you prep upfront and better quality proteins

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 lets try to do a bit of meal prep its cheaper since you prep upfront and better quality proteins

I'll have a look on the logs at what people are doing and get some done up, and I'm always open to suggestions. Meal prep is gonna be the only way because I really don't stop moving til nightfall. I knew it wasn't great but I didn't know it was that bad thanks brother.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'll have a look on the logs at what people are doing and get some done up, and I'm always open to suggestions. Meal prep is gonna be the only way because I really don't stop moving til nightfall. I knew it wasn't great but I didn't know it was that bad thanks brother.

@chop09333 You must have meal prep, check the LOG of our moderator @Noah Wixx he has very good planned meals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/

 

[Noah Wixx]

@chop09333 You must have meal prep, check the LOG of our moderator @Noah Wixx he has very good planned meals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...obolan-equipoise-tbol-contest-prep-log.97138/

Appreciate the mention brother I like to keep ot simple and clean, best way I felt for maximizing results long term.

 

[chop09333]

Appreciate the mention brother I like to keep ot simple and clean, best way I felt for maximizing results long term.

I noticed that. And it'll produce more food, with less fuckin about.

 

[Noah Wixx]

I noticed that. And it'll produce more food, with less fuckin about.

Yup and more cost effective for you long term so u spend less, it's a win win, u can definitely add some low calorie sauces into the mix if you like, simplicity is key.

 

[chop09333]

Training

Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps

Tbar row machine - 4 sets

Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg

Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg

Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)

Standing single arm bicep cable curls - 3 sets 18 - 12 kg

Cable hammer curls 8 reps into another 8 utilising rear delts - 3 sets


Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg

Diet was similar to the day before, maybe a little better, but more to the point I've done some meal prep, so tomorrow will be a different story I can't go as plain as some of you, but I think what I've done is ok. Let me know if I've done anything I really shouldn't have.

I haven't got any macros to give you guys but,

3kg of lean mince, 3 cups of rice and 2 cups of frozen veggies went into the beef meals in the pics. A dash of curry powder, and dash of flour to thicken.

1.5kg of chicken breast, 1.5 cups of rice, and 2 cups of veggies went into the 4 chicken meals. And these two sachets in the pics. My mum gave them to my wife a while back when she was doing keto.

Nips are still pretty spicy. Any insite on when the 40mg nolva ed will show its work would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Training

Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps

Tbar row machine - 4 sets

Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg

Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg

Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)

Standing single arm bicep cable curls - 3 sets 18 - 12 kg

Cable hammer curls 8 reps into another 8 utilising rear delts - 3 sets


Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg

Diet was similar to the day before, maybe a little better, but more to the point I've done some meal prep, so tomorrow will be a different story I can't go as plain as some of you, but I think what I've done is ok. Let me know if I've done anything I really shouldn't have.

I haven't got any macros to give you guys but,

3kg of lean mince, 3 cups of rice and 2 cups of frozen veggies went into the beef meals in the pics. A dash of curry powder, and dash of flour to thicken.

1.5kg of chicken breast, 1.5 cups of rice, and 2 cups of veggies went into the 4 chicken meals. And these two sachets in the pics. My mum gave them to my wife a while back when she was doing keto.

Nips are still pretty spicy. Any insite on when the 40mg nolva ed will show its work would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.

@chop09333 already much better I see good meal prep here PERFECT! stay this course dont stop man , meal prep is key you'll get amazing results

on the nolvadex 40mgs ed will help with gyno fast like 1 week lets see results

on the training, tbar rows 4 sets, what weight?

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 already much better I see good meal prep here PERFECT! stay this course dont stop man , meal prep is key you'll get amazing results

on the nolvadex 40mgs ed will help with gyno fast like 1 week lets see results

on the training, tbar rows 4 sets, what weight?

Thanks mate, I'll cross me fingers and hope they settle down. The weight was 40kg. The machine is different again there from normal tbar row. A little weight is alot.

 

[ballin2504]

Great base man you should do well

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks mate, I'll cross me fingers and hope they settle down. The weight was 40kg. The machine is different again there from normal tbar row. A little weight is alot.

I see , next time share a machine pic of this if you can Im curious

on the gyno dont worry it will get better @chop09333

 

[chop09333]

I see , next time share a machine pic of this if you can Im curious

on the gyno dont worry it will get better @chop09333

Will do bro. I bloody hope so

 

[chop09333]

Bloods are in guys. Please keep in mind,

Proviron and ai was stopped for 5 days before getting these done.

Done on the 8th.

 

[chop09333]

I see , next time share a machine pic of this if you can Im curious

on the gyno dont worry it will get better @chop09333

That machine

 

[chop09333]

Oh just to add to the bloods,

I have taken proviron out again today, actually before I got the bloods back. Due to the fact I think it makes my nips more spicy and inflamed. I know it goes against most opinions, but it seems to line up, its not wirth the risk just incase, and I'd like to just get my levels right in the test.

I have taken 12.5 aromasin on Thursday, and the same again on Saturday. I know that's more than most, but I felt it was right for my situation I seem to have going on, but im unsure whether to keep that dose going or not. I'd like to hear opinions on this if you will

 

[chop09333]

Today's training

Inclined press machine: 3 sets 50kg per side 8-12 reps. Reps seemed to vary, but I could stick the 50kg each side for three sets today, then 4 reps after a 15 second break after the last set.

Cable press: 3 sets can't remember weight. Weight was up a fair bit here too today.

Low to high cable flys: 3 sets

Dips: 3 sets. Reason I just do unwieghted til failure is my shoulder, and also straight up and down seems to cause elbow pain. I lean forward a little and it eliminated these issues for me.

Tricep pushdown rope: 3 sets

Overhead tri extension rope: 3 sets

Lateral dumbell raises: 6 sets 10-8kg

More or less the same as last push day I know. I'm a creature of habit. My power was up today. I'm yet to feel the hydraulic like power my dad talks about with test. My strength is certainly up, but not what he talks about. (Yes my dad is a gym rat too) I did get a taste of it a couple of weeks back, where I just felt unstoppable. Maybe it'll be better once I get it dialled it. Maybe it's because my test is actually too high. I wouldn't really know, so again I welcome input

 

[chop09333]

Food

Breakfast: shake

10:00: chicken meal

2:00 chicken meal

6:00: mince meal

Unsure on dinner, but you get the picture. I'm dialling it in.

 

[Abolone]

nice one bro
the gear your using is top quailty !!

 

[chop09333]

nice one bro
the gear your using is top quailty !!

Off its head hey. I was shocked.

 

[Abolone]

Off its head hey. I was shocked.

@ez2plz delivers nothing but quality !!!!!

 

[chop09333]

@ez2plz delivers nothing but quality !!!!!

That he does. Thanks @ez2plz. Your a weapon.

 

[ez2plz]

That he does. Thanks @ez2plz. Your a weapon.

@Abolone
Thank you boys
That's the all we care about is quality

 

[ez2plz]

That he does. Thanks @ez2plz. Your a weapon.

Great to see ya journey so far brother
Thank you for trusting us with your business and health

 

[chop09333]

Great to see ya journey so far brother
Thank you for trusting us with your business and healt

Not a problem bro, you came well recommended

 

[25homes]

Nice work

 

[chop09333]

I seem to be waking up not to great. Bit anxious, moody, worn out, and then come good as the day rolls on. I'm not sure where this fits it, but it's been a rough ride so far, so I just wanna post all the details I can foe the best advice.

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 after your last thread, now fully welcome to the EVO family, happy to see you share a LOG!

I followed your last thread, to those new, this is @chop09333 original Q:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/cycle-not-going-well.100506

A few things before we go deep into Q/A, please share more with us.

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, Please share actual meals and foods you eating now as you go with some macros
Training and cardio, please share actual exercises reps and sets you doing and when, weights and times would help
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

supplements
are you taking supps? which kind? probiotics?
n2guard for organ liver support?

Pictures
please share pics of your body with face blurred so we see base
please share pics of meals and foods
pics of your training
pics of cardio done
and pics of your gear you're using
pics of supplements would help as well

Q/A
For your cycle you need to buy n2guard for organ liver support: take 7caps ed
https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/cycle-support/n2guard/

Your nipples and E2: to be fair food and training play a huge role in hormone levels, including estrogen and cortisol.
I suggest try this:
Lower testosterone dose to 300mgs/week sports TRT (or if you have 250mgs/ml just do 250mgs 1ml pin in 2 shots)
Start using aromasin only 2 times per week, Tuesday Friday, each time 6.25mgs.
Add tamoxifen (nolvadex) 40mgs /day to clear up the nipps
thats the easiest option to follow

Nips are still spicy as shit. I only started nolva on Friday though. I think I've dropped my estrogen to low again with the 12.5 aromasin eod, just due to being worried about the gyno This is really just running me into the ground now. Really I think I'm just going to follow what you've said here. Friday is pin day, so I'll confirm then, but I'd say I'm just going to prioritise my health and well-being on this one.

 

[RoidRage69]

I think you're mindfucking yourself. Your so worried your making things worse.

 

[chop09333]

I think you're mindfucking yourself. Your so worried your making things worse.

Your not wrong there mate. I just don't understand how all this is happening if my estrogen isn't that bad. The nips, and also the fact that I'm just worn down. I just feel knackered, and I would have thought it'd be the opposite.

 

[RoidRage69]

Your not wrong there mate. I just don't understand how all this is happening if my estrogen isn't that bad. The nips, and also the fact that I'm just worn down. I just feel knackered, and I would have thought it'd be the opposite.

I wouldn't stop the testosterone completely.
If you do that you will really run into problems.

 

[chop09333]

I wouldn't stop the testosterone completely.
If you do that you will really run into problems.

I could of written that clearer What I mean is come down to 250mg.

 

[RoidRage69]

I could have written that clearer What I mean is come down to 250mg.

That's probably a good idea. Another thing I would suggest is running either Primo or Masteron with your test.

 

[chop09333]

That's probably a good idea. Another thing I would suggest is running either Primo or Masteron with your test.

I hear you there. For now I just want to see if I can get level on 250mg, rather than worrie too much about this cycle and results. My test may even stay high enough that it could still be considered a cycle, considering I'm coming from being natty. I was under the impression that 3000 total free test was a good number anyway? Once I'm level and I've worked out my trt dose, I can put a bit more thought into the next one. Most likely running less estrogenic compounds, and yeah mast or primo will probably make it in there.

 

[RoidRage69]

It sounds like you have a good plan. Just stick with it and try and worry a little less and things will work out. Just don't add more AI as u lower your test dose.

 

[chop09333]

It sounds like you have a good plan. Just stick with it and try and worry a little less and things will work out. Just don't add more AI as u lower your test dose.

Thanks mate, appreciate it. I certainly won't. I think the 6.25 twice weekly will do. That was probably the right call in the first place. I just went with a higher dose because I can't get my head around these nips, and I'm terrified of gyno

 

[chop09333]

Bloods are in guys. Please keep in mind,

Proviron and ai was stopped for 5 days before getting these done.

Done on the 8th.

Just reposting bloods. I had to delete the first pics.

 

[chop09333]

Today was a much better day than yesterday. Kinda confirms for me I think that I was taking to much ai. Was a pretty shit work out though. Just got through it where as I'm somebody that genuinely loves the gym. It's the best part of my day. We all have off days, so I'll just chalk it up as that and see how tomorrow goes. Maybe I ate too much before hand, and it just bogged me down‍♂

Diet

Breakfast: shake

10:00 - 1:00: chipped away at one of those chicken meals. They are alot.

2:30: half a chicken meal, and a shake. Here is where my problem may lie, as this was right before training.

7:00: forcing a whole chicken meal. Looks like I've got the day off tomorrow, so I'm certainly going to be doing some cooking, and getting a little inventive because at the moment it tastes like shit

Training

Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps

Tbar row machine - 4 sets 40kg

Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg

Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg

Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)

Dumbell curls, lent back on bench using both arms, fairly strict form here - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 10-12 reps

Hammer curls - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 12-10 reps


Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg

 

[chop09333]

Just reposting bloods. I had to delete the first pics.

Oh and I fucked upnthe pictures again so reposting here is all. Can tell how much its all knocked me about hey.

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

Oh and I fucked upnthe pictures again so reposting here is all. Can tell how much its all knocked me about hey.

@chop09333 your estrogen e2 is way too high, you need to add an Ai asap aromasin 10mgs ed
what dose of test you doing now?

and you need more organ liver support like n2guard, your bloods look off

Today was a much better day than yesterday. Kinda confirms for me I think that I was taking to much ai. Was a pretty shit work out though. Just got through it where as I'm somebody that genuinely loves the gym. It's the best part of my day. We all have off days, so I'll just chalk it up as that and see how tomorrow goes. Maybe I ate too much before hand, and it just bogged me down‍♂

Diet

Breakfast: shake

10:00 - 1:00: chipped away at one of those chicken meals. They are alot.

2:30: half a chicken meal, and a shake. Here is where my problem may lie, as this was right before training.

7:00: forcing a whole chicken meal. Looks like I've got the day off tomorrow, so I'm certainly going to be doing some cooking, and getting a little inventive because at the moment it tastes like shit

Training

Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps

Tbar row machine - 4 sets 40kg

Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg

Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg

Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)

Dumbell curls, lent back on bench using both arms, fairly strict form here - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 10-12 reps

Hammer curls - 15kg - 12.5kg 3 sets 12-10 reps


Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg

too much ai? based on your bloods your estrogen way to high, are you sure we are talking about the same thing here?

diet I like the diet, but whole chicken meal? like what did you have there? like breast or what? details please

training sets I get how about reps? no 15 rep sets?

cardio?

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 your estrogen e2 is way too high, you need to add an Ai asap aromasin 10mgs ed
what dose of test you doing now?

and you need more organ liver support like n2guard, your bloods look off


too much ai? based on your bloods your estrogen way to high, are you sure we are talking about the same thing here?

diet I like the diet, but whole chicken meal? like what did you have there? like breast or what? details please

training sets I get how about reps? no 15 rep sets?

cardio?

So I've been taking 12.5 eod aromasin. And it's rolled me twice now. These bloods were taken 5 days with no ai. I think that might be why it was too high there. I'm pretty certain 12.5 eod was too much. I'll most likely be cutting the dose back to 250mg test tomorrow.

What number e2 should I be going for? Is within the reference range okay?

Those reps are just what I've always done man. Do you think I should be shooting for 15 reps?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

So I've been taking 12.5 eod aromasin. And it's rolled me twice now. These bloods were taken 5 days with no ai. I think that might be why it was too high there. I'm pretty certain 12.5 eod was too much. I'll most likely be cutting the dose back to 250mg test tomorrow.

What number e2 should I be going for? Is within the reference range okay?

Those reps are just what I've always done man. Do you think I should be shooting for 15 reps?

before we talk aromasin more
do you have comparison bloods?

 

[chop09333]

Training

Lat pull down, not quite as wide as most due to shoulder - 77 - 66kg, 4 sets 10-12 reps

Tbar row machine - 4 sets

Cable row dd handle - 4 sets, 66 - 59kg

Shrugs Smith machine - 4 sets 80kg

Rear delts on pec deck - 4 sets 25 - 20kg (this machine is different. A little weight is alot.)

Standing single arm bicep cable curls - 3 sets 18 - 12 kg

Cable hammer curls 8 reps into another 8 utilising rear delts - 3 sets


Barbell curls - 30 - 20kg

Diet was similar to the day before, maybe a little better, but more to the point I've done some meal prep, so tomorrow will be a different story I can't go as plain as some of you, but I think what I've done is ok. Let me know if I've done anything I really shouldn't have.

I haven't got any macros to give you guys but,

3kg of lean mince, 3 cups of rice and 2 cups of frozen veggies went into the beef meals in the pics. A dash of curry powder, and dash of flour to thicken.

1.5kg of chicken breast, 1.5 cups of rice, and 2 cups of veggies went into the 4 chicken meals. And these two sachets in the pics. My mum gave them to my wife a while back when she was doing keto.

Nips are still pretty spicy. Any insite on when the 40mg nolva ed will show its work would be appreciated. Thanks everyone.

Npcclassicphysique champ easiest way to answer your question mate. Thanks for the advice. Appreciate it.

 

[chop09333]

before we talk aromasin more
do you have comparison bloods?

I don't no. These were taken on the 8th. I was planning on cutting test in half, and probably 6.25 aromasin twice weekly, alongside nolva for my situation, then get bloods in a few weeks. This was suggested to me already, but I stuck with more aromasin and it's fucked me up a couple of times. What do make of this plan?

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

I don't no. These were taken on the 8th. I was planning on cutting test in half, and probably 6.25 aromasin twice weekly, alongside nolva for my situation, then get bloods in a few weeks. This was suggested to me already, but I stuck with more aromasin and it's fucked me up a couple of times. What do make of this plan?

if you have no comparison its likely your estrogen was always high, e2 expression is different from person to person
i would stay 6.25mgs mon/wed/fri to start
and you are pinning how much test/week?

 

[chop09333]

if you have no comparison its likely your estrogen was always high, e2 expression is different from person to person
i would stay 6.25mgs mon/wed/fri to start
and you are pinning how much test/week?

The last 5 weeks, it's been 500, once per week, but I plan on halfing it. It's not agreeing with me, and I'm having way to many problems. I just want to get all the problem sorted, before reassessing, and going again, maybe with different compounds. Yeah 6.25 eod may be the sweet spot. I'll try that for now. I'm certain I know what low e2 feels like now. It really messes me up, and always comes after too much aromasin.

 

[stevesmi]

So I've been taking 12.5 eod aromasin. And it's rolled me twice now. These bloods were taken 5 days with no ai. I think that might be why it was too high there. I'm pretty certain 12.5 eod was too much. I'll most likely be cutting the dose back to 250mg test tomorrow.

What number e2 should I be going for? Is within the reference range okay?

Those reps are just what I've always done man. Do you think I should be shooting for 15 reps?

that is enough aromasin to do the trick, i bet if you tested again in 3 weeks they would be good

 

[chop09333]

that is enough aromasin to do the trick, i bet if you tested again in 3 weeks they would be good

I think it was too much myself. It certainly did the trick what do you make of 6.25 eod going forward. I'm open to gauging different opinions on it

 

[Npcclassicphysique champ]

The last 5 weeks, it's been 500, once per week, but I plan on halfing it. It's not agreeing with me, and I'm having way to many problems. I just want to get all the problem sorted, before reassessing, and going again, maybe with different compounds. Yeah 6.25 eod may be the sweet spot. I'll try that for now. I'm certain I know what low e2 feels like now. It really messes me up, and always comes after too much aromasin.

go with 250mgs testosterone and start 6.25mgs aromasin to level it out to start off

waiting on training updates @chop09333