Thoughts on this second cycle?

Thisis40 · Sep 17, 2025

Hi all,

I’m getting older and losing that “edge”. In the military so hoping to keep it as long as possible. Got tested and flagged as low T (10.6). Considering this I am looking to do my second cycle ever while on TRT.

Hopefully this forum can help educate and support me. I did one when I was younger and playing football. I believe it was 200 Test E (pin 2x weekly) Aromisin 12.5mg E3D with a Nolva and HCG PCT. Worked beautifully and I did not suffer many sides. I would love to run something like that again but the wife and I are trying for a baby.

Sperm levels are good and “have some room to fall.” Urologist first recommended HCG monotherapy. This worked but it was extremely hard to control estrogen levels. I am extremely sensitive to E2 (some pubertal gyno left over) and the 1000iu weekly protocol had me at 31.3 T and 101 E2. We then introduced Adex but it was too hard to control the E2 swings.

Now I am using Natesto 22mg/day with no AI. I can feel my E2 creeping up but it is otherwise solid. I am considering adding 25mg proviron or 20mg anavar daily for an extra boost. I go for first bloods on Natesto in 2 weeks. Will update log after.

Will the proviron help control the E2 without an AI? Alternatively would it be more bang for buck to add in a light AI and some Var? Would a var dose that low crush my sperm count?

Stats:

M, 35, 6 feet, 195 lbs, lifting 20 years, 13% BF

Cheers

Imhim · Sep 17, 2025

31 nmol/L total t with 101 Pmol/L e2 doesn’t suggest any AI or oestrogen management is required. What sides are you having at these levels?

Nasal Delivered Testosterone such as Netesto wouldn’t personally be my go to preference, would always recommend injections.

If increasing to a blast phase, stick with one testosterone ester and one only, do not add in any orals. Increase to 300-400mg Testosterone weekly (split into at least 3 injections weekly), wait 4-6 weeks and get bloodwork. If oestrogen management is then required, you then have bloodwork to go off.

Even at a TRT dose, 20-30mg Anavar daily for 4-6 weeks can work wonders paired with correct training, diet and recovery.

s.gentz · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
looking to do my second cycle ever while on TRT

First question I would ask, is this dr trt or self? If dr how far between bloods. You may not have enough time to cycle. The miliotary adds another level of complexity to this situation.
You also may want to check out out articles and podcasts as you don't seem to have much knowledge on AAS.
Can certainly help but need more info. One piece of advice I can give is to get your TRT protocol set before you blast any gear. You may also want to wait until your wife is pregnant.

Thisis40 · Sep 18, 2025

Imhim said:
31 nmol/L total t with 101 Pmol/L e2 doesn’t suggest any AI or oestrogen management is required. What sides are you having at these levels?

Nasal Delivered Testosterone such as Netesto wouldn’t personally be my go to preference, would always recommend injections.

If increasing to a blast phase, stick with one testosterone ester and one only, do not add in any orals. Increase to 300-400mg Testosterone weekly (split into at least 3 injections weekly), wait 4-6 weeks and get bloodwork. If oestrogen management is then required, you then have bloodwork to go off.

Even at a TRT dose, 20-30mg Anavar daily for 4-6 weeks can work wonders paired with correct training, diet and recovery.

Dr discouraged injections. Said it may make it too challenging to maintain solid fertility. Said natesto is safer for right now. I’ll switch to injections in future.

Thisis40 · Sep 18, 2025

s.gentz said:
First question I would ask, is this dr trt or self? If dr how far between bloods. You may not have enough time to cycle. The miliotary adds another level of complexity to this situation.
You also may want to check out out articles and podcasts as you don't seem to have much knowledge on AAS.
Can certainly help but need more info. One piece of advice I can give is to get your TRT protocol set before you blast any gear. You may also want to wait until your wife is pregnant.

I am currently on Dr Trt. I would be adding Anavar which I would not mention to him however. The last 2 pieces are solid advice. Thank you. I’ll try to dial in the natesto and report back with T/E/SHBG etc.

s.gentz · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
I am currently on Dr Trt. I would be adding Anavar which I would not mention to him however. The last 2 pieces are solid advice. Thank you. I’ll try to dial in the natesto and report back with T/E/SHBG etc.

If you are on dr TRT and your bloods are less that 6 months apart I would not suggest cycling gear. They will know.
Anavar will also effect your lipid profile so be aware. If they are checking lipids as well they will be asking questions.

s.gentz · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
Dr discouraged injections. Said it may make it too challenging to maintain solid fertility. Said natesto is safer for right now. I’ll switch to injections in future.

Test is test. The minute your body sees exogenous test it will shut your balls down. Do you have LH/FSH bloods?

Thisis40 · Sep 18, 2025

s.gentz said:
Test is test. The minute your body sees exogenous test it will shut your balls down. Do you have LH/FSH bloods?

That’s not always true- with any drug the delivery system is as important as the API. Natesto was developed to avoid that exact thing happening. With it’s rapid Cmax and pulsile approach the LH/FSH stays in range for almost all patients at 90 days. Here’s link to relevant clinical trials. That being said- you may be right. I’ll confirm with bloods in 14 days.

https://www.natestohcp.com/hpg-axis-function/

Thisis40 · Sep 18, 2025

This is why I am considering a light dose of anavar. If your HTPA is operating fine under this pulsile approach, I wonder if adding another fast on fast off compound like Oxandrolone (half life 8 hrs) would mean that I could keep LH/FSH in range and get more benefits. Maybe something to keep in mind after I dial in the natesto?

texas.redneck · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
I’m getting older and losing that “edge”. In the military so hoping to keep it as long as possible. Got tested and flagged as low T (10.6). Considering this I am looking to do my second cycle ever while on TRT.

Just for the record that's not low T. That's what a TRT clinic will try to sell you as "suboptimal" levels to get you to do TRT so they can make money.

My T levels have been hovering around 10-11 since I was 36. I"m 46 now and I've done an Ironman, workout 6 days a week, and generally I'm just fine.

As you get older, you really really have to stay on top of sleep and recovery weeks in your programs. So in bodybuilding terms you need to deload every 3 weeks on the 4th week instead of every 5 weeks, for example. Same thing when I'm training for an ironman or triathlon race, I have to do more frequent recovery weeks to back off the swim, run and cycliing volume. These are usually called "masters" programs. In weightlifting and triathlon world, I think you become a "masters" when you hit 35 years old or something like that.

Now when I go on cycle like I am right now, all that goes out the window and I just hammer away and listen to my body. I still had to do a deload on the 6th week of my bodybuilding program because my body was telling me yeah you pushed me too far back off. So even on a testosterone cycle, your not invincible.

s.gentz · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
That’s not always true- with any drug the delivery system is as important as the API. Natesto was developed to avoid that exact thing happening. With it’s rapid Cmax and pulsile approach the LH/FSH stays in range for almost all patients at 90 days. Here’s link to relevant clinical trials. That being said- you may be right. I’ll confirm with bloods in 14 days.

https://www.natestohcp.com/hpg-axis-function/

Be interested to see that bloodwork. Not sure if I believe this without proof. I have never heard of this approach but I don;t see why it would react any different to injections or creams.

Thisis40 · Sep 18, 2025

texas.redneck said:
Just for the record that's not low T. That's what a TRT clinic will try to sell you as "suboptimal" levels to get you to do TRT so they can make money.

My T levels have been hovering around 10-11 since I was 36. I"m 46 now and I've done an Ironman, workout 6 days a week, and generally I'm just fine.

As you get older, you really really have to stay on top of sleep and recovery weeks in your programs. So in bodybuilding terms you need to deload every 3 weeks on the 4th week instead of every 5 weeks, for example. Same thing when I'm training for an ironman or triathlon race, I have to do more frequent recovery weeks to back off the swim, run and cycliing volume. These are usually called "masters" programs. In weightlifting and triathlon world, I think you become a "masters" when you hit 35 years old or something like that.

Now when I go on cycle like I am right now, all that goes out the window and I just hammer away and listen to my body. I still had to do a deload on the 6th week of my bodybuilding program because my body was telling me yeah you pushed me too far back off. So even on a testosterone cycle, your not invincible.

That’s fair but don’t we all feel different at different levels? You are an N of 1. A man may feel great at 10, others may feel shit. Another point I should mention is that I have been around 10 since I was 22. My first test at that age for routine chemistry was 11. I agree with all those other points though.

texas.redneck · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
That’s fair but don’t we all feel different at different levels? You are an N of 1. A man may feel great at 10, others may feel shit. Another point I should mention is that I have been around 10 since I was 22. My first test at that age for routine chemistry was 11. I agree with all those other points though.

I'm just playing devil's advocate here. This is a steroid forum so you'll most likely get lots of reinforcement to do TRT. I forget what that's called, like confirmation bias or whatever. Like when you go to a place that you want to hear the answer you already made up.

There's just so many variables before I'd commit to TRT for life. As long as you are aware those places want money, and they will get in your algorithms and target market you and convince you that you need TRT to change your life. I enjoy listening to my sports talk radio every morning, but I'm hammered with men's t clinic commercials at every break.

There are many non-hormonal factors also. For example, people just hammering their brains with dopamine on their phones all the time scrolling or looking at porn or whatever. I already mentioned the sleep thing, but then there is quality of sleep. Like are you getting off electronics and devices and cutting back on blue light an hour before bed so your sleep is actually decent quality. Social engagement, do you have close friends groups that you spend quality time with (not getting hammered necessarily). Fixing all this kind of stuff can give you energy and vitality and so forth.

LevButlerov · Sep 18, 2025

Thisis40 said:
Hi all,

I’m getting older and losing that “edge”. In the military so hoping to keep it as long as possible. Got tested and flagged as low T (10.6). Considering this I am looking to do my second cycle ever while on TRT.

Hopefully this forum can help educate and support me. I did one when I was younger and playing football. I believe it was 200 Test E (pin 2x weekly) Aromisin 12.5mg E3D with a Nolva and HCG PCT. Worked beautifully and I did not suffer many sides. I would love to run something like that again but the wife and I are trying for a baby.

Sperm levels are good and “have some room to fall.” Urologist first recommended HCG monotherapy. This worked but it was extremely hard to control estrogen levels. I am extremely sensitive to E2 (some pubertal gyno left over) and the 1000iu weekly protocol had me at 31.3 T and 101 E2. We then introduced Adex but it was too hard to control the E2 swings.

Now I am using Natesto 22mg/day with no AI. I can feel my E2 creeping up but it is otherwise solid. I am considering adding 25mg proviron or 20mg anavar daily for an extra boost. I go for first bloods on Natesto in 2 weeks. Will update log after.

Will the proviron help control the E2 without an AI? Alternatively would it be more bang for buck to add in a light AI and some Var? Would a var dose that low crush my sperm count?

Stats:

M, 35, 6 feet, 195 lbs, lifting 20 years, 13% BF

welcome again to the EVO family

@Thisis40
Proviron isn’t going to magically control your E2, it might free up some test but it’s not a replacement for managing estrogen. Anavar at that dose won’t help with E2 and it could still hit your sperm count, so if you’re trying for a kid you don’t want to throw that in blind.

You gotta get a log going first before we even touch this, otherwise it’s just bits of info with no clear picture. Write down what you’re lifting, what weights you’re handling, food intake, sleep, bloodwork, and how you feel each day so we can track the patterns.
Get your bloods posted with a log and then we can dial in the adjustments right.
A log will take you 15min to do easy and you're on something now that you can use as a base trt log.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Thisis40 · Jan 8, 2026

LevButlerov said:
welcome again to the EVO family @Thisis40
Proviron isn’t going to magically control your E2, it might free up some test but it’s not a replacement for managing estrogen. Anavar at that dose won’t help with E2 and it could still hit your sperm count, so if you’re trying for a kid you don’t want to throw that in blind.

You gotta get a log going first before we even touch this, otherwise it’s just bits of info with no clear picture. Write down what you’re lifting, what weights you’re handling, food intake, sleep, bloodwork, and how you feel each day so we can track the patterns.
Get your bloods posted with a log and then we can dial in the adjustments right.
A log will take you 15min to do easy and you're on something now that you can use as a base trt log.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.

Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.

The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.

Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

It will take 15-20 minutes max.

We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

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LevButlerov · Jan 8, 2026

Thisis40 said:
Done.

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