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Do such cycles require aromatization blockers?

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GoldenPlague

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So, if I take 3 pills dianabol per day and 100-150 milligrams of testosterone or primobolan per week, would this still require aromatization blockers, or are these doses low enough to not cause too big increase in estrogen, leading to gynecomastia?
 
GoldenPlague said:
So, if I take 3 pills dianabol per day and 100-150 milligrams of testosterone or primobolan per week, would this still require aromatization blockers, or are these doses low enough to not cause too big increase in estrogen, leading to gynecomastia?
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This is all person dependent. For me this would not be an issue. For others it could be a problem. Have an AI on hand.
 
GoldenPlague said:
So, if I take 3 pills dianabol per day and 100-150 milligrams of testosterone or primobolan per week, would this still require aromatization blockers, or are these doses low enough to not cause too big increase in estrogen, leading to gynecomastia?
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Of what dose.
 
GoldenPlague said:
So, if I take 3 pills dianabol per day and 100-150 milligrams of testosterone or primobolan per week, would this still require aromatization blockers, or are these doses low enough to not cause too big increase in estrogen, leading to gynecomastia?
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@GoldenPlague yes you should take an ai and n2guard no matter the dose
 
GoldenPlague said:
Why not? Sam Sulek is younger than me, and he uses steroids. He is well and alive.
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i dont give a shit who is doing it.. you have zero clue what you are doing or what it will cause.. i dont care what someone else does.. that doesnt make it right.. you sound like like a child with that comment.. what exactly do you know about hormones and what it will cause you down the road by screwing with them? Just because it doesnt necessarily "kill you" doesnt mean it wont fuck you up royally... ive only been doing this over a decade and seen what this does but the issue is people your age think they know everything when you dont have a clue what you are doing nor talking about... go ahead and follow the lead of dip shits making bad choices and see where it gets you..

do whatever you want man.. you seem to think you know so go ahead and follow their lead... good luck, i wish you nothing but the best
 
dylangemelli said:
i dont give a shit who is doing it.. you have zero clue what you are doing or what it will cause.. i dont care what someone else does.. that doesnt make it right.. you sound like like a child with that comment.. what exactly do you know about hormones and what it will cause you down the road by screwing with them? Just because it doesnt necessarily "kill you" doesnt mean it wont fuck you up royally... ive only been doing this over a decade and seen what this does but the issue is people your age think they know everything when you dont have a clue what you are doing nor talking about... go ahead and follow the lead of dip shits making bad choices and see where it gets you..

do whatever you want man.. you seem to think you know so go ahead and follow their lead... good luck, i wish you nothing but the best
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I understand what steroids are and how they work and what side effects they may cause potentially. My problem is, i don't know how to get legit steroids and not be scammed.

So, when it comes to steroids, i already understand the subject, contrary to what you think about me.

Here is what i know. Using steroids will reduce your natural testosterone levels and will potentially contribute to overall hormonal imbalance that involves other hormones, too. The severity depends on how high the dose is and how long the cycle lasts. A proper PCT needs to be conducted in order to restore the hormonal balance. However, complete restoration isn't guaranteed and there is a risk of a lifelong TRT and sterility.

Additionally, the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal axis can also be damaged. Side effects such as heart issues, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and acne can also be caused.

So, as you can see, i understand the risk very well, right? Why do you think i don't know what i'm talking about? I have read a lot about steroids.

And i saw you said this:

dylangemelli said:
go ahead and follow the lead of dip shits making bad choices and see where it gets you..
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What do you mean? Beyond sterility, what is the worst thing that can happen?

And why would steroids have fewer side effects when used after the age of 25 compared to when used before the age of 25?

I i want a job in bodybuilding, staring after the age of 25 will be too late. Things need to be established before that age.
 
just go for it
I started using steroids when I was younger than you and I turned out just fine
in fact I am a champion
 
why don't you do it and log it and then you can prove to everybody how special you are and how you are going to be a professional one day
 
sterility is a big deal though what happens when you get older and your wife wants a kid what are you going to tell her?
 
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It and just log it
you've been asked to do logs many times and you've declined for some reason
 
prove to everybody that you are the man
let's see what you're capable of
 
You say you know how steroids work but ask if 30 mgs is low enough to keep away from gyno. Most will know this is person dependent and will only be known by blood work and is person dependent
 
GoldenPlague said:
I understand what steroids are and how they work and what side effects they may cause potentially. My problem is, i don't know how to get legit steroids and not be scammed.

So, when it comes to steroids, i already understand the subject, contrary to what you think about me.

Here is what i know. Using steroids will reduce your natural testosterone levels and will potentially contribute to overall hormonal imbalance that involves other hormones, too. The severity depends on how high the dose is and how long the cycle lasts. A proper PCT needs to be conducted in order to restore the hormonal balance. However, complete restoration isn't guaranteed and there is a risk of a lifelong TRT and sterility.

Additionally, the hypothalamic–pituitary–adrenal axis can also be damaged. Side effects such as heart issues, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, and acne can also be caused.

So, as you can see, i understand the risk very well, right? Why do you think i don't know what i'm talking about? I have read a lot about steroids.

And i saw you said this:



What do you mean? Beyond sterility, what is the worst thing that can happen?

And why would steroids have fewer side effects when used after the age of 25 compared to when used before the age of 25?

I i want a job in bodybuilding, staring after the age of 25 will be too late. Things need to be established before that age.
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do whatever you like.. i dont have the time to argue with someone who has ZERO idea about this.. you are parroting information you cut and pasted off the internet, with zero concept or understanding of anything to do with the longer term damage you are going to do to yourself using steroids this young.. GOOD LUCK with everything
 
You are far too young for steroid use and you will have to learn the hard way to find out why that it is but I can tell you with all certainty, it will not end well for you in the long run
 
dylangemelli said:
do whatever you like.. i dont have the time to argue with someone who has ZERO idea about this.. you are parroting information you cut and pasted off the internet, with zero concept or understanding of anything to do with the longer term damage you are going to do to yourself using steroids this young.. GOOD LUCK with everything
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Why do you think I have zero idea what I'm talking about if I already showed I do understand what I'm talking about?

Yes, I know what I'm talking about. Yes, I know the side effects can be terrible or even deadly. However, a short life but happy one is better than a long life but meaningless one. That's why I need to solve the minor body dysmorphia issue I have since I became smart and saw and acknowledged the problem.
 
Fella Finn said:
You are far too young for steroid use and you will have to learn the hard way to find out why that it is but I can tell you with all certainty, it will not end well for you in the long run
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Can you explain, please?

If you are under the age of 25, what side effects may you get if you use steroids?

If you are above the age of 25, what side effects may you get if you use steroids?

How does the age play a role?
 
GoldenPlague said:
How does the age play a role
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Age plays a role because in your early 20’s your body/brain are not fully developed yet. Messing with your hormones at a young age could mess up your development.
Absolutely zero reason to use gear. Hard training and a solid diet will get you results. This is not a race.
 
s.gentz said:
Age plays a role because in your early 20’s your body/brain are not fully developed yet. Messing with your hormones at a young age could mess up your development.
Absolutely zero reason to use gear. Hard training and a solid diet will get you results. This is not a race.
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"This is not a race."? Actually, it's a race, a race against time. Time is passing, I'm aging, I'm having less and less time to prove myself to the world.
 
GoldenPlague said:
Why do you think I have zero idea what I'm talking about if I already showed I do understand what I'm talking about?

Yes, I know what I'm talking about. Yes, I know the side effects can be terrible or even deadly. However, a short life but happy one is better than a long life but meaningless one. That's why I need to solve the minor body dysmorphia issue I have since I became smart and saw and acknowledged the problem.
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good luck , i honestly , at this point, do not care what you do one way or another... i dont argue with children
 
GoldenPlague said:
Can you explain, please?

If you are under the age of 25, what side effects may you get if you use steroids?

If you are above the age of 25, what side effects may you get if you use steroids?

How does the age play a role?
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i already explained this multiple times but you only read and hear what you want to hear and read... just stop man and do whatever it is you want to do and leave everyone else alone with this.. .
 
GoldenPlague said:
So, if I take 3 pills dianabol per day and 100-150 milligrams of testosterone or primobolan per week, would this still require aromatization blockers, or are these doses low enough to not cause too big increase in estrogen, leading to gynecomastia?
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shouldnt need at that low of dose
 
We give advice to people every day and most of them are not high level competitors. You are not going to get the answer you want to hear on this forum. If you are legit thinking about making a career out of bodybuilding then yes, you will have to use steroids and live a very unhealthy lifestyle. Just the pure amount of food these dudes eat is not good for you. My advice is to find a coach to work one on one with.
 
Masonic Bodybuilder said:
We give advice to people every day and most of them are not high level competitors. You are not going to get the answer you want to hear on this forum. If you are legit thinking about making a career out of bodybuilding then yes, you will have to use steroids and live a very unhealthy lifestyle. Just the pure amount of food these dudes eat is not good for you. My advice is to find a coach to work one on one with.
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The unhealthy bodybuilding was a thing in the 1990s and early 2000s. Nowadays, there are almost no deaths caused by steroids in professional bodybuilding. After so many years, understanding of steroids and health got much better and now health issues are easily avoidable if the bodybuilder has medical staff monitoring him.

Have you heard of any deaths at professional sports recently? No. Decades ago, however, deaths were common there.

As for the coach, I don't need one. I already know how to train and what to eat. My only problem is that I don't know how to make a steroid cycle, what steroids exactly to use, and how to do a PCT and avoid gynecomastia and testicular atrophy.

Personally, I find gynecomastia and testicular atrophy scarier that heart attacks, ruined testosterone production, and the need of a TRT for life.
 
GoldenPlague said:
At a dose of 100-150 mg testosterone, what will my testosterone levels be? If, naturally, they are 500 ng, how much will they be at the therapeutic dose of testosterone? Will they reach 1000 or even 1300?
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Nobody can tell you this. It is person dependent.
 
GoldenPlague said:
"This is not a race."? Actually, it's a race, a race against time. Time is passing, I'm aging, I'm having less and less time to prove myself to the world.
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How old are you? Why do you feel you need to prove something? Live for yourself. Who gives a fuck about others. Do what is best for you and what makes you happy.
How many years of training under your belt?
What are your stats?
Your on here asking random questions but we know nothing about you to help you properly.
 
s.gentz said:
How old are you? Why do you feel you need to prove something? Live for yourself. Who gives a fuck about others. Do what is best for you and what makes you happy.
How many years of training under your belt?
What are your stats?
Your on here asking random questions but we know nothing about you to help you properly.
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How old are you? - 23 years old.

Why do you feel the need to prove something? - Because I have inferiority complex.

Who gives a fuck about others? - The people who are impressed by you and these people who may potentially want to sleep with you.

I spent my best years in an isolation, so it's time to compensate for the lost time. I was isolated because of bad decisions I made about my social life, not because I'm mentally ill or something like that. I'm good-looking, but I need a better body to show it on the beach and walk shirtless on the street.
 
GoldenPlague said:
How old are you? - 23 years old.

Why do you feel the need to prove something? - Because I have inferiority complex.

Who gives a fuck about others? - The people who are impressed by you and these people who may potentially want to sleep with you.

I spent my best years in an isolation, so it's time to compensate for the lost time. I was isolated because of bad decisions I made about my social life, not because I'm mentally ill or something like that. I'm good-looking, but I need a better body to show it on the beach and walk shirtless on the street.
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Your young man. Your best years are yet to come. Believe me.
You don't need to compensate for anything.(even though you may feel like you do) You need to set goals and work toward accomplishing them.
My son was in a simalar boat. Isolated himself at home and sat around doing nothing but playing vidio games and gaining weight. He was up to 280lbs before he decided to make a change last december. Now he is 230 and working toward 200. Goes to the gym, keeps his diet in check and stays focused on his goals.
Can you post a pic to see what you look like so we can give better advice?
Can you post what your diet and training currently look like?
We can help you reach your goals. There is a lot of experience on this forum.
Drugs are such a small fraction of the equation here. Your diet training are 95%.

GoldenPlague said:
I think I need to do a testosterone test to see what my testosterone levels currently are.
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Get tested, it never hurts. But test levels are not the entire story. You need free test and SHBG as well to get a good picture of your overall hormone profile.
GoldenPlague said:
And is there a way to see at what level of testosterone gynecomastia may begin to form?
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No, this is all person dependent. Some guys have puberty gyno and even a very low amount of test will make the gyno flare up.
Some guys can take a gram and have no issue. Body fat levels also playa role in this as more body fat will cause more estrogen conversion.
Unfortunately the only options here are to experiment and use aromison from day 1 to block conversion or to have surgury to get existing gyno removed if you have it.

You also have other options like sarms to help you without the worry of gyno.
 
GoldenPlague said:
Can you explain, please?

If you are under the age of 25, what side effects may you get if you use steroids?

If you are above the age of 25, what side effects may you get if you use steroids?

How does the age play a role?
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Dylan gave a full out explanation which you ignored. You have no plan to listen to anyone whatsoever so I will certainly not waste my time
 
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