Approved Log 16 week Recomp Log

[pbstar06]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

 

[Pigsy]

Welcome to EVO family and to logging

 

[Allupfromhere]

Very nice intro brother and you seem to have mapped out your plan well. Question for you though, have you run primo and eq together before? It could have quite a hostile effect on your e2 running both of them, everyone is different though. Will be following along brother welcome to Evo

 

[s.gentz]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

Firtt off, welcome to Evo bro!! Great to have you here. Looks like you put some thought into this but I would recommend the following changes.
Leave the primo out. No need to add anything in.
Run eq/test from start to finish at the same dose you start at. No need to titrate up unless you’re doing a 20+ week cycle. Also drop the mast. You’re not lean enough for it to make a difference and it’s not an ai.
This is what I would do.
150/wk test
300/wk eq
Add in the var later in the cycle when lifts stall. 40mg/day
arimidex 1mg/wk to start.
Peptides and sarms are fine.

 

[pbstar06]

Very nice intro brother and you seem to have mapped out your plan well. Question for you though, have you run primo and eq together before? It could have quite a hostile effect on your e2 running both of them, everyone is different though. Will be following along brother welcome to Evo

i have not run EQ/Primo together before. my previous uninformed cycles were basic in their makeup (test, deca) and (test, tren)

having said that, would it be advised not to run them together at all. or, modify dosages ect? what would be my best practice for that situation?

 

[pbstar06]

Firtt off, welcome to Evo bro!! Great to have you here. Looks like you put some thought into this but I would recommend the following changes.
Leave the primo out. No need to add anything in.
Run eq/test from start to finish at the same dose you start at. No need to titrate up unless you’re doing a 20+ week cycle. Also drop the mast. You’re not lean enough for it to make a difference and it’s not an ai.
This is what I would do.
150/wk test
300/wk eq
Add in the var later in the cycle when lifts stall. 40mg/day
arimidex 1mg/wk to start.
Peptides and sarms are fine.

I appreciate the info. I can certainly hold off on those items for a later date if there is no net gain from doing them.

 

[texas.redneck]

- MK677 for sleep

MK677 did nothing to help with my sleep quality. As a matter of fact, I think I am sleeping better now that I got off it. Things I can tell you that MK677 definitely did:

1. bloated me like a water balloon.
2. Threw my insulin out of whack on my Metabolic panel
3. made me hungry af even though I only took 12.5mg before bed.

It definitely didn't do anything for sleep, and as far as recovery or any other benefits, nothing I noticed.

 

[texas.redneck]

This is what I would do.
150/wk test
300/wk eq
Add in the var later in the cycle when lifts stall. 40mg/day

I liked this suggestion. When I saw the mast and primo in there, that kind of had that i'm cleaning out my gear junk drawer vibe to it. I think just straight up 16 weeks test/EQ at these doses is a tried and true formula to follow.

 

[s.gentz]

MK677 did nothing to help with my sleep quality. As a matter of fact, I think I am sleeping better now that I got off it. Things I can tell you that MK677 definitely did:

1. bloated me like a water balloon.
2. Threw my insulin out of whack on my Metabolic panel
3. made me hungry af even though I only took 12.5mg before bed.

It definitely didn't do anything for sleep, and as far as recovery or any other benefits, nothing I noticed.

Agree here. MK will raises appetite as well. Not something you want if your looking to clean up a bit. I would drop it and add 2iu/day GH or just drop it.

 

[G-Merc 80]

Welcome to the Evo Family, I look forward to following your journey.

 

[LevButlerov]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

welcome to the EVO family! @pbstar06 happy you are sharing.
Cycle plan shows you’ve clearly thought it through, keeping doses moderate and adding compounds in phases will let you see steady progress without blasting from the start. I would clean out more with test and eq, less primo and masteron here.
The support supplements, mk for sleep, bpc for joints, and checking bloods mid and end all show you’re serious about health which is good to see.
Diet setup is solid too, plenty of protein and clean carbs to support the cycle, and the cheat meal once a week will keep it manageable long term. Looks like you’re setting yourself up well to run this smart.

If you’re serious about dialing this in the right way, get the log updated regular. Post your weight, lifts, food, and weekly updates with bloods so people can guide you through instead of you just guessing. It should be ongoing.

 

[pbstar06]

welcome to the EVO family! @pbstar06 happy you are sharing.
Cycle plan shows you’ve clearly thought it through, keeping doses moderate and adding compounds in phases will let you see steady progress without blasting from the start. I would clean out more with test and eq, less primo and masteron here.
The support supplements, mk for sleep, bpc for joints, and checking bloods mid and end all show you’re serious about health which is good to see.
Diet setup is solid too, plenty of protein and clean carbs to support the cycle, and the cheat meal once a week will keep it manageable long term. Looks like you’re setting yourself up well to run this smart.

If you’re serious about dialing this in the right way, get the log updated regular. Post your weight, lifts, food, and weekly updates with bloods so people can guide you through instead of you just guessing. It should be ongoing.

I appreciate that response. I will certainly stay updated on it and take the advice I've already been given.

 

[LevButlerov]

I appreciate that response. I will certainly stay updated on it and take the advice I've already been given.

Lets start slow, get testosterone in there first before we add more compounds

 

[stevesmi]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

this is a great idea on this log. It will help keep you motivated and prevent any setbacks @pbstar06

 

[pbstar06]

Posting workout plan. Weekends are always off with kids. I Will sometimes mod certain exercises in the plan based on personal feedback as im going


Day 1

- cable fly 4x12

- DB bench 6x10

- cable lat raise 5x10

- incl BB press 6x7

- dips 4x10

- forearms/ tricep superset 5x10


Day 2
- pull up or pull downs 5x10

- T bar row 4x10

- wide grip cable row 4x10

- one arm DB row 4x7

- lat pull variations 6x10

- db biceps burnout 7x10

- 1500m row machine


Day 3

- 500-800ft stairs

- quad raises 4x10

- ham curls 4x10

- back squat 6x7

- Bulgarian SS 4x10

- sauna


Day 4
Swim + sauna

Day 5
-Deadlift 7x7 drop reps to 3rm final set

- flat bench 7x8

- lat pull variations 5x12

- pec fly 5x12

- incline db press5x10
Superset
- DB farmer carry 5x

- EZ bar skulls crusher + press superset 5x8

- bicep work 7x12

-Sauna



Day 6
Rest


Day 7
Rest

 

[Mobster]

Plenty here with kids who still trained - go get it done!

 

[2Thick]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

@pbstar06 don't forget those veggies too. i don't see very much in there. good that you added some fruit

 

[BodyMonster34]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

bro gotta balance kids and family. @pbstar06 i got 18 kids. i balance it all

 

[Ulter]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

@pbstar06 Vegetables would be a really good addition to this. Something like broccoli or spinach would really be perfect. Make sure you add those, they're important.

 

[pbstar06]

@pbstar06 Vegetables would be a really good addition to this. Something like broccoli or spinach would really be perfect. Make sure you add those, they're important.

ill add broccoli to my lunch/dinner.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

post workout and after work are on point. the dinner is also looking good. i give you a lot of props @pbstar06

 

[pbstar06]

post workout and after work are on point. the dinner is also looking good. i give you a lot of props @pbstar06

Thankyou. I think i could cut the peanut butter in the pre workout, not really adding much but fat and calories, i just like the taste. my wife also thinks im crazy i can eat "the same bland food every day" lol

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thankyou. I think i could cut the peanut butter in the pre workout, not really adding much but fat and calories, i just like the taste.

make sure you're getting good quality. Peanut butter, not the stuff full of oil and sugar.

 

[ceo]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

bros welcome to EVO family. @pbstar06 I like the food that you put together. But as others have said, adding those vegetables.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thankyou. I think i could cut the peanut butter in the pre workout, not really adding much but fat and calories, i just like the taste. my wife also thinks im crazy i can eat "the same bland food every day" lol

Hahaha so does mine! But it works for me also and is easy to track eating the same thing

 

[Allupfromhere]

Thankyou. I think i could cut the peanut butter in the pre workout, not really adding much but fat and calories, i just like the taste.

You can leave it in brother if you like the taste its fine. Just use an organic peanut butter not a highly processed one and you good to go.
If anything having a little fat in your Preworkout meal/shake will help slow the release of your carbs and make the release smoother without a spike snd crash, if you have time to digest it.
For me i train early a.m before work and pretty much have to hit the gym straight after waking up so i opt for high molecular carbs like Karbolyn or cyclic dextrin and keep all fats out so it absorbes quick for me.
If i find myself training in the afternoon sometimes i will just give myself plenty of time to eat and digest and would add a little healthy fat to make the release more lineal.

 

[pbstar06]

You can leave it in brother if you like the taste its fine. Just use an organic peanut butter not a highly processed one and you good to go.
If anything having a little fat in your Preworkout meal/shake will help slow the release of your carbs and make the release smoother without a spike snd crash, if you have time to digest it.
For me i train early a.m before work and pretty much have to hit the gym straight after waking up so i opt for high molecular carbs like Karbolyn or cyclic dextrin and keep all fats out so it absorbes quick for me.
If i find myself training in the afternoon sometimes i will just give myself plenty of time to eat and digest and would add a little healthy fat to make the release more lineal.

Sounds good, I have some super fancy stuff from east wind . I'll keep running that then

 

[BeMe]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

Hey Bro welcome to the EVO fam!

You got a really great base and solid plan laid out.

What type of mast are you running? I'm assuming prop?

Reason I ask is cuz you're waiting pretty long on cycle to throw in the var. Might wanna consider launching off with the var and giving yourself a real good kickstart into the cycle.

For the primo have you run it before? Do you already know how it will effect your e2? It's pretty different for everyone. I ran it just under 1:1 and I was still high normal e2

 

[pbstar06]

Hey Bro welcome to the EVO fam!

You got a really great base and solid plan laid out.

What type of mast are you running? I'm assuming prop?

Reason I ask is cuz you're waiting pretty long on cycle to throw in the var. Might wanna consider launching off with the var and giving yourself a real good kickstart into the cycle.

For the primo have you run it before? Do you already know how it will effect your e2? It's pretty different for everyone. I ran it just under 1:1 and I was still high normal e2

Its mast E. But i may not run it, and definitely wont run the primo this cycle based on other user comments.

Im for sure gonna keep on my TRT which is currently dosed at 200mg/wk and going to run 300mg/wk EQ.

IM debating to not run the mast at all or if I did, wait until week 6 or so. But not sure either way.

As for the VAR, I think im ok with waiting will week 8 or 9. Which would be after 8wk blood test. Since this won't be my last cycle just getting my feet wet and see what happens

 

[BeMe]

Its mast E. But i may not run it, and definitely wont run the primo this cycle based on other user comments.

Im for sure gonna keep on my TRT which is currently dosed at 200mg/wk and going to run 300mg/wk EQ.

IM debating to not run the mast at all or if I did, wait until week 6 or so. But not sure either way.

As for the VAR, I think im ok with waiting will week 8 or 9. Which would be after 8wk blood test. Since this won't be my last cycle just getting my feet wet and see what happens

Ah ok. Ya the mast e will take a while to reach saturation. Your first 4 or 5 weeks on that cycle you won't really notice any changes.

I ran var sublingually pre-workout for 16 weeks with no adverse effects. Going sublingual lessens the liver toxicity. Starting with the var gets you feeling strong right from the get while the other compounds start to build.

Running EQ higher than test will be a mistake bro. If you're concerned about e2 that's the worst thing you can do. EQ is well known for absolutely crushing people's e2 much harder than Primo. I was just discussing this with @Allupfromhere

You should check out his log and I'm sure he'll pop in with some help for you. He's a vet and he's struggling with his e2 from the EQ right now

 

[pbstar06]

Ah ok. Ya the mast e will take a while to reach saturation. Your first 4 or 5 weeks on that cycle you won't really notice any changes.

I ran var sublingually pre-workout for 16 weeks with no adverse effects. Going sublingual lessens the liver toxicity. Starting with the var gets you feeling strong right from the get while the other compounds start to build.

Running EQ higher than test will be a mistake bro. If you're concerned about e2 that's the worst thing you can do. EQ is well known for absolutely crushing people's e2 much harder than Primo. I was just discussing this with @Allupfromhere

You should check out his log and I'm sure he'll pop in with some help for you. He's a vet and he's struggling with his e2 from the EQ right now

So should I run EQ 1:1 with test?

 

[LevButlerov]

Posting workout plan. Weekends are always off with kids. I Will sometimes mod certain exercises in the plan based on personal feedback as im going


Day 1

- cable fly 4x12

- DB bench 6x10

- cable lat raise 5x10

- incl BB press 6x7

- dips 4x10

- forearms/ tricep superset 5x10


Day 2
- pull up or pull downs 5x10

- T bar row 4x10

- wide grip cable row 4x10

- one arm DB row 4x7

- lat pull variations 6x10

- db biceps burnout 7x10

- 1500m row machine


Day 3

- 500-800ft stairs

- quad raises 4x10

- ham curls 4x10

- back squat 6x7

- Bulgarian SS 4x10

- sauna


Day 4
Swim + sauna

Day 5
-Deadlift 7x7 drop reps to 3rm final set

- flat bench 7x8

- lat pull variations 5x12

- pec fly 5x12

- incline db press5x10
Superset
- DB farmer carry 5x

- EZ bar skulls crusher + press superset 5x8

- bicep work 7x12

-Sauna



Day 6
Rest


Day 7
Rest

Volume is way too high and you’re repeating similar movements too often, that much pressing and pulling every week will just beat you up without better return. Plan should shift week to week so you’re not hammering the same rep ranges and loads nonstop, add some progression and deload phases instead of just piling sets. You’d be better off trimming junk volume, keeping the main compounds heavier with fewer sets, and rotating accessories so recovery actually matches the work.

 

[LevButlerov]

Its mast E. But i may not run it, and definitely wont run the primo this cycle based on other user comments.

Im for sure gonna keep on my TRT which is currently dosed at 200mg/wk and going to run 300mg/wk EQ.

IM debating to not run the mast at all or if I did, wait until week 6 or so. But not sure either way.

As for the VAR, I think im ok with waiting will week 8 or 9. Which would be after 8wk blood test. Since this won't be my last cycle just getting my feet wet and see what happens

Starting simple makes sense, test and eq together at those doses will already show you plenty without adding more variables. Holding off on mast till mid cycle or skipping it altogether is fine, no need to stack everything right away, especially first run with eq. Saving var for later after bloods is smart too, you’ll know how you’re handling e2 and lipids before you add an oral. Overall just test and eq is enough imo @pbstar06

 

[BeMe]

So should I run EQ 1:1 with test?

A lot of the Aussie guys like to run test EQ cycles and they usually go 2:1. It really depends on the person but a lot of people get their e2 smashed running 1:1

 

[pbstar06]

A lot of the Aussie guys like to run test EQ cycles and they usually go 2:1. It really depends on the person but a lot of people get their e2 smashed running 1:1

Interesting. I could go lower thats totally fine with me. I was just basing it off of other suggestions in the thread that were like 300mg eq to my 200 test.

Right now 200 test is about the top of my range without getting tender nips and not needing an AI so im hesitant to increase test unless its to compensate for something else im running

 

[BeMe]

Interesting. I could go lower thats totally fine with me. I was just basing it off of other suggestions in the thread that were like 300mg eq to my 200 test.

Right now 200 test is about the top of my range without getting tender nips and not needing an AI so im hesitant to increase test unless its to compensate for something else im running

I would wait for @Allupfromhere to chime in. He is also a high aromatizer and he's right in the middle of a cycle where he's dealing with crashed e2 and he was running 2:1. Here's a link to his log below. Might help you avoid the risks of EQ. The EQ will take 8-10 weeks to reach saturation in your body so keep that in mind for your blood testing.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-summer-cut-cycle-log-closing-2025.106516/page-19

 

[Allupfromhere]

Ah ok. Ya the mast e will take a while to reach saturation. Your first 4 or 5 weeks on that cycle you won't really notice any changes.

I ran var sublingually pre-workout for 16 weeks with no adverse effects. Going sublingual lessens the liver toxicity. Starting with the var gets you feeling strong right from the get while the other compounds start to build.

Running EQ higher than test will be a mistake bro. If you're concerned about e2 that's the worst thing you can do. EQ is well known for absolutely crushing people's e2 much harder than Primo. I was just discussing this with @Allupfromhere

You should check out his log and I'm sure he'll pop in with some help for you. He's a vet and he's struggling with his e2 from the EQ right now

I would wait for @Allupfromhere to chime in. He is also a high aromatizer and he's right in the middle of a cycle where he's dealing with crashed e2 and he was running 2:1. Here's a link to his log below. Might help you avoid the risks of EQ. The EQ will take 8-10 weeks to reach saturation in your body so keep that in mind for your blood testing.

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/16-week-summer-cut-cycle-log-closing-2025.106516/page-19

The effect on e2 that eq has is definitely more common then not from what i see around here. Where your balance is will be something you need to fine tune with blood work.

Ill give you a bit of a run down of my current situation with running eq. But ill give you a idea of the way i aromatise also.

Firstly just keep in mind that everything in individually based and our responses will always have their own variables and influences.

I aromatise crazy, i can run 250 test and e2 shoots towards the 300pmol mark.

I started test e at 500mg weekly and eq at 400mg weekly and by the third week my e2 was crushed. The effect eq has on e2 definitely didnt need to reach saturation of the ester for this to take place, in my situation and others that i have spoke to.
But again everyone is different.

I have moved up test to 750mg weekly at now an almost 2:1 ratio and am about to retest next weekend after the 4 week mark since increasing. I do however feel i may have to increase futher just going off how i currently feel reflecting low e2 sides still. Blood work will tell though. This has to be a steady adjustment as i dont want to be in a situation where im over correcting either, so im just taking it slow.

 This is just my situation though, there are plenty of members here that run ratios of 1:1, 1.2:1, 2:1 and more. Its a trial and assessment situation until you find what works for you but when you do it can be agreat and highly versatile compound to use for almost every situation goal wise.

It may seem its more effort then its worth, especially when we are trying to get the most put of a cycle in a set time frame, but i see it as an investment on your progress long term if your going to use the compound more then once. Same as how we fine tune testosterone dosages to see what works best.

Another note is i personally wouldnt run it with primo as well. It could create a very volatile situation with e2 influence that could have you chasing your tail trying to figure out what is causing what. Always smart play to add one new compound in at a time to see how we respond. Making adjustments is much more accurate and easy this way.

 

[BeMe]

The effect on e2 that eq has is definitely more common then not from what i see around here. Where your balance is will be something you need to fine tune with blood work.

Ill give you a bit of a run down of my current situation with running eq. But ill give you a idea of the way i aromatise also.

Firstly just keep in mind that everything in individually based and our responses will always have their own variables and influences.

I aromatise crazy, i can run 250 test and e2 shoots towards the 300pmol mark.

I started test e at 500mg weekly and eq at 400mg weekly and by the third week my e2 was crushed. The effect eq has on e2 definitely didnt need to reach saturation of the ester for this to take place, in my situation and others that i have spoke to.
But again everyone is different.

I have moved up test to 750mg weekly at now an almost 2:1 ratio and am about to retest next weekend after the 4 week mark since increasing. I do however feel i may have to increase futher just going off how i currently feel reflecting low e2 sides still. Blood work will tell though. This has to be a steady adjustment as i dont want to be in a situation where im over correcting either, so im just taking it slow.

 This is just my situation though, there are plenty of members here that run ratios of 1:1, 1.2:1, 2:1 and more. Its a trial and assessment situation until you find what works for you but when you do it can be agreat and highly versatile compound to use for almost every situation goal wise.

It may seem its more effort then its worth, especially when we are trying to get the most put of a cycle in a set time frame, but i see it as an investment on your progress long term if your going to use the compound more then once. Same as how we fine tune testosterone dosages to see what works best.

Another note is i personally wouldnt run it with primo as well. It could create a very volatile situation with e2 influence that could have you chasing your tail trying to figure out what is causing what. Always smart play to add one new compound in at a time to see how we respond. Making adjustments is much more accurate and easy this way.

Almost seems like EQ isn't really a good compound for beginners. You need to be really in tune with your body so you don't completely smash your e2 and can adjust before it's too late.

Hearing all that makes me think why would I run EQ when I could just run Primo lol. I know EQ has some athletic benefits but other than that...why?

Hopefully those factories in China get going again and we start getting some Primo next year.

 

[Allupfromhere]

Almost seems like EQ isn't really a good compound for beginners. You need to be really in tune with your body so you don't completely smash your e2 and can adjust before it's too late.

Hearing all that makes me think why would I run EQ when I could just run Primo lol. I know EQ has some athletic benefits but other than that...why?

Hopefully those factories in China get going again and we start getting some Primo next year.

I think thats why most do opt for primo especially in a big cut. But the forecast for primo is looking reasonably grim and i hate to say but masteron could possibly follow in its footsteps also. I really hope im mistaken though

 

[BeMe]

I think thats why most do opt for primo especially in a big cut. But the forecast for primo is looking reasonably grim and i hate to say but masteron could possibly follow in its footsteps also. I really hope im mistaken though

The precursors for fentanyl are used in mast and primo I heard. That's why we're getting screwed. I saw the factories that got shut down in China are supposed to be ramping back up so hopefully next year things might get back to normal again

 

[Ulter]

ill add broccoli to my lunch/dinner.

spinach too is good and easy to make

 

[pbstar06]

I think thats why most do opt for primo especially in a big cut. But the forecast for primo is looking reasonably grim and i hate to say but masteron could possibly follow in its footsteps also. I really hope im mistaken though

Now i feel like i need to rethink my compound choices After all this. I could hold off on starting, to run something better. I can just keep the eq, primo, and mast in storage for later.

What would be the optimal compound to run at this point if I was going to change it. On one of my previous cycles I ran deca and felt really good on it. Tren not so much.

Is there anything better to consider over deca to run with my test base thats readily available?

 

[BeMe]

Now i feel like i need to rethink my compound choices After all this. I could hold off on starting, to run something better. I can just keep the eq, primo, and mast in storage for later.

What would be the optimal compound to run at this point if I was going to change it. On one of my previous cycles I ran deca and felt really good on it. Tren not so much.

Is there anything better to consider over deca to run with my test base thats readily available?

You mentioned you're a heavy aromatizer so nandralones can be tricky for guys like you.

No reason you can't go with EQ or Primo. They'll allow you to run more test.

Primo is known for being an easy cycle to run with a low side effects profile.

Guess it really depends on what your goals are? Are you hoping to really bulk up or stay lean and gain?

 

[pbstar06]

You mentioned you're a heavy aromatizer so nandralones can be tricky for guys like you.

No reason you can't go with EQ or Primo. They'll allow you to run more test.

Primo is known for being an easy cycle to run with a low side effects profile.

Guess it really depends on what your goals are? Are you hoping to really bulk up or stay lean and gain?

For me personally i dont know... i think that may have gotten assumed but i dint know for myself personnaly.

I just reached out to my trt clinic to see if they can send me a copy of my last bloods to share to see what my last levels were maybe that can help paint the picture better to make decisions based on that

 

[BeMe]

For me personally i dont know... i think that may have gotten assumed but i dint know for myself personnaly.

I just reached out to my trt clinic to see if they can send me a copy of my last bloods to share to see what my last levels were maybe that can help paint the picture better to make decisions based on that

How bout your goals? What are you looking to achieve with this cycle.

That's a big decider in what compounds to choose.

 

[pbstar06]

How bout your goals? What are you looking to achieve with this cycle.

That's a big decider in what compounds to choose.

I was thinking lean gain initially which im still ok with. Just all the eq convo made me wonder if I should do something else or go back to deca which I knew I felt good on in the past.

But if the sides are similar based on the compound type maybe EQ will be fine too.


Just trying to make the best most informed decisions for health and look 2nd to that

 

[BeMe]

I was thinking lean gain initially which im still ok with. Just all the eq convo made me wonder if I should do something else or go back to deca which I knew I felt good on in the past.

But if the sides are similar based on the compound type maybe EQ will be fine too.


Just trying to make the best most informed decisions for health and look 2nd to that

If you're hoping to lean gains then Primo or EQ are the way to go. If you already have both I'd lean more towards the Primo side.

You can also throw deca in the mix too.

I just ran test, primo, anavar cycle with NPP thrown in on the back half. Stayed pretty lean through the process and I've held onto 10lbs from the cycle.

If you run a test deca only cycle then you'll get more gains but they won't be so lean. You'll want to add 25mg per day of Proviron to that cycle so you don't get the deca dick.

 

[pbstar06]

If you're hoping to lean gains then Primo or EQ are the way to go. If you already have both I'd lean more towards the Primo side.

You can also throw deca in the mix too.

I just ran test, primo, anavar cycle with NPP thrown in on the back half. Stayed pretty lean through the process and I've held onto 10lbs from the cycle.

If you run a test deca only cycle then you'll get more gains but they won't be so lean. You'll want to add 25mg per day of Proviron to that cycle so you don't get the deca dick.

Maybe I'll run test, primo, var then.

I have enough primo to run 10wk at 100mg wk which would be 2:1 on my test dose.

When would be the optimal time to start the var since the cycle will be shorter than 16wks then?

 

[Allupfromhere]

Now i feel like i need to rethink my compound choices After all this. I could hold off on starting, to run something better. I can just keep the eq, primo, and mast in storage for later.

What would be the optimal compound to run at this point if I was going to change it. On one of my previous cycles I ran deca and felt really good on it. Tren not so much.

Is there anything better to consider over deca to run with my test base thats readily available?

If you already have the primo brother go for it for sure. I was just talking generally for the future availability of the compound but let it rip if you already have it on hand. Dont run primo and eq together though imo.

I was thinking lean gain initially which im still ok with. Just all the eq convo made me wonder if I should do something else or go back to deca which I knew I felt good on in the past.

But if the sides are similar based on the compound type maybe EQ will be fine too.


Just trying to make the best most informed decisions for health and look 2nd to that

Lean gains realistically come from clean eating. You can still make lean gains on deca with healthy eating regardless if is going to influence some water retention.

Maybe I'll run test, primo, var then.

I have enough primo to run 10wk at 100mg wk which would be 2:1 on my test dose.

When would be the optimal time to start the var since the cycle will be shorter than 16wks then?

Leave the var to the last 6-8weeks of whatever time frame your cycle end up being brother.. if you end up deciding on eq i would run it at the start for 6-8 weeks as a kickstart

But test, primo, var is on the money for the aesthetic results your after.. but primo at 100mg a week isnt going to yeild much gains though bro.

 

[pbstar06]

If you already have the primo brother go for it for sure. I was just talking generally for the future availability of the compound but let it rip if you already have it on hand. Dont run primo and eq together though imo.

Lean gains realistically come from clean eating. You can still make lean gains on deca with healthy eating regardless if is going to influence some water retention.

Leave the var to the last 6-8weeks of whatever time frame your cycle end up being brother.. if you end up deciding on eq i would run it at the start for 6-8 weeks as a kickstart

But test, primo, var is on the money for the aesthetic results your after.. but primo at 100mg a week isnt going to yeild much gains though bro.

So if i shelf this original plan and go with test, deca, var since I know im going to eat clean...

What does my deca dosage and length of cycle look like?

Can I run deca 16wk?

 

[Noah Wixx]

Hello,

im new to the website. long time fan of fitness but have been on a hiatus with children for the last few years. ive been back in the gym consistently on a strict diet and TRT for a year now and about to start a cycle. I have done cycles in the past when i was in the military but not much thought went into them and was more of a bro science approach, admittedly i was foolish then and wouldnt approach it that way again. This time around my goal is to use minimal effective dosing and monitor my bloods well.

from what ive determined this log below is what im planning on running unless directed or advised against certain items or dosages. im definitely open to advice and will add my current workout plan later, open to advice on that as well when i add it.

current stats
- age 35
- 220lb
- believe im around 17-18% bf
- 5-11"

16 week plan ordered from D_S


- test 200mg wk - split 3x, bump to 250-300 when primo starts to maintain 2.5-3:1 ratio and protect E2

- 15wk EQ 200mg wk - split 3x

- 10wk MAST 200mg - Split 3x

- then 6wk PRIMO 100mg - split 3x (covers 6wk mast gap)

- 7wk VAR finish 20mg day (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed early, but primo will drop e2 from what ive seen so ill see if i need it.



supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, then restart at wk 8 until finish.

- MK677 for sleep - 10-20mg 5x week, start at 10mg for first 4 weeks, then 20 to finish cycle if needed

- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4


- N2Guard 5mo supply

- multi, fish oils, D3
- dymatize protein



PCT/AI

- drop test to .25ml - 3x wk

- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks




notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.

- Maybe give blood pending lab results.



DIET

(3010, 82 fat, 272 pro, 260 carb)

(Saturday) one cheat meal allowed

If need to drop calories, just slide carbs

​

Breakfast (830cal, 42 fat, 34 carb, 76 pro)

• 5 eggs w/ 1/2tbsp butter (420 cal, 30 fat, 31p)
• 14oz milk Protein shake ( 360cal, 10fat, 30carb, 41pro)

Pre workout (350cal, 11 fat, 40carb, 20pro)

• Banana w/ 1tbsp peanut butter ( 210cal, 8 fat, 32 carb)
• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
  

Post workout (900cal, 21fat, 95carb, 66 pro)

• 8oz cooked 93/7 GB (474cal, 21g fat, 66 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )
• 400g mixed fruit pineapple, apple, blue, straw (170cal, 40carb)

After work snack (250cal, 3 fat, 36 carb, 20 pro)

• oikos yogurt (140cal, 3 fat, 8 carb, 20pro)
• Banana ( 110cal, 28 carb)

Dinner (680cal, 5fat, 55carb, 90pro)

• 14oz chicken breast (430cal, 5fat, 90 pro)
• 200g basmati rice ( 250cal, 55carb )

Domestic-supply.com is who i use as well

 

[LevButlerov]

So if i shelf this original plan and go with test, deca, var since I know im going to eat clean...

What does my deca dosage and length of cycle look like?

Can I run deca 16wk?

You don't need deca that makes little sense for you.
Just test alone is the start you need imo @pbstar06 test and food.

 

[pbstar06]

You don't need deca that makes little sense for you.
Just test alone is the start you need imo @pbstar06 test and food.

I've been on TRT for over a year with a strict diet and workout routine. Haven't really seen many gains the last 4 months and going up in calories just adds weight that isnt quality since I have a sedentary job.

I was just trying to find an alternative to EQ since so many people seemed to say it was really hit or miss

 

[LevButlerov]

I've been on TRT for over a year with a strict diet and workout routine. Haven't really seen many gains the last 4 months and going up in calories just adds weight that isnt quality since I have a sedentary job.

I was just trying to find an alternative to EQ since so many people seemed to say it was really hit or miss

We can try boosting TRT to sports TRT and stack with equipoise, why not use EQ? that would qualify as sports TRT+ (without the hgh)

 

[pbstar06]

We can try boosting TRT to sports TRT and stack with equipoise, why not use EQ? that would qualify as sports TRT+ (without the hgh)

Well that was my initial plan. But it seemed like a few of the comments seemed it was a very finicky compound that could have higher chance of negative sides compared to others. Thats why I was leaning to maybe trying something else in its place.

Then dosage amounts of EQ seemed to be another topic.

Which now has me wondering if my initial dose was wrong. If im currently running trt at 200mg a week. And run EQ at 200mg wk some said it may be to much eq for the test ratio, but if I drop to 100 eq its not enough. So what's the best path ?

What do I need to run my test and eq at to do this right and not under or over dose it? I. Willing to raise or lower test or other compound doses as needed for best results and I understand everyone responds differently but I dont want to way under dose it or over do it initially and waste time and results if possible.

 

[LevButlerov]

Well that was my initial plan. But it seemed like a few of the comments seemed it was a very finicky compound that could have higher chance of negative sides compared to others. Thats why I was leaning to maybe trying something else in its place.

Then dosage amounts of EQ seemed to be another topic.

Which now has me wondering if my initial dose was wrong. If im currently running trt at 200mg a week. And run EQ at 200mg wk some said it may be to much eq for the test ratio, but if I drop to 100 eq its not enough. So what's the best path ?

What do I need to run my test and eq at to do this right and not under or over dose it? I. Willing to raise or lower test or other compound doses as needed for best results and I understand everyone responds differently but I dont want to way under dose it or over do it initially and waste time and results if possible.

EQ is one of those compounds that usually needs higher doses and longer timeframes to really show its worth if you want to grow big, but that's not your goal.
200 mg alongside 200 mg test won’t do much but you'll feel growth and results. You need to try higher test than eq, so you don’t crash libido from low test relative to EQ. Since you’re on TRT already at 200 mg, you’d want to bump your test to 300-400 mg if you’re going to bring EQ in at 300s mgs so they’re balanced and you get the appetite, vascularity, and endurance EQ can give.
The best way is to start easy, 300mgs total test with 100mgs eq and adjust up every few weeks as you update the log. @pbstar06

 

[Allupfromhere]

The best way is to start easy, 300mgs total test with 100mgs eq and adjust up every few weeks as you update the log. @pbstar06

This is right on the money here bro!!

 

[LevButlerov]

This is right on the money here bro!!

It's a slow start but good one

 

[pbstar06]

It's a slow start but good one

I do appreciate all the conversation and insight, you guys are incredibly knowledgeable. so thankyou for allowing me to ask alot of questions and bounce things off of you guys. I think I'm set with how I want to run this now...

so assuming everything side effect wise goes well and nothing to distracting to the cycle happens that causes set backs. this is the current final draft for now on how I'm going to run this.

I figure 2:1 on test:eq should be fine to start. if not, I think from what I've read I'll be able to notice it with the sides and I can adjust test up as needed if I have e2 issues at 2:1, or moving into the higher doses where the ratio gets smaller.


I know its also been suggested to start the VAR early, but I'm ok with seeing how this goes initially and finishing strong if all goes well. I can handle not seeing much return early.


16 weeks

- test 300mg wk = .5ml 3x, bump to 400 when raising EQ to 225+, maybe 400+ test for EQ at 300.

- 16wk EQ 150mg wk = .17ml 3x (increasing to 225mg then up to 300mg as test increases) next step .25ml, final .33ml 3x wk

- 7wk VAR 20-40mg training days (starting week 9)

- maybe AI if needed


supplements

- BPC 157 for joints - 500mcg 5x week, first 4 weeks, restart at wk 8 to finish.
- Cjc-1295 x ghrp-6 – 250mcg 2x day, 5x week, start week 4

- N2Guard 5mo supply
- multi, fish oils, D3


PCT/AI

- drop test to .3ml - 3x wk
- novladex, start 7 days after, @20mg/day for 2 weeks, then 10mg day for 2 weeks


notes

- check bloods week 8, week 16.
- Maybe give blood week 8 after labs.

 

[pbstar06]

This is right on the money here bro!!

@LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @BeMe

I attached my bloods from my last time at the trt clinic. does this help at all?

that was on their prescription of 240mg trt wk. which I had to take a low dose AI for tender nipples. was starting to get some small lumps under them. I since lowered the dose to 200mg wk since may 2025 so that I could stay off the ai completely.

 

[pbstar06]

also, i dont see estrodiol in there. but, looking at all that i remember now from a separate test that is was like 38 pg/ml

 

[Allupfromhere]

@LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @BeMe

I attached my bloods from my last time at the trt clinic. does this help at all?

that was on their prescription of 240mg trt wk. which I had to take a low dose AI for tender nipples. was starting to get some small lumps under them. I since lowered the dose to 200mg wk since may 2025 so that I could stay off the ai completely.

Your test dose has got you in great range and without using ai
I feel you should be pretty right to to move to 300mg test/ 100mg eq to start. Going to leave you in a good surplus of test to eq ratio and if you find e2 is creeping up can use aromasin short term to buy time to drop test back or bring eq up. @LevButlerov thoughts?

another note brother, how long you been on n2guard already? Hdl and ldl should be easy to keep in range at such low dose test.. have you started taking it already or nah?

also, i dont see estrodiol in there. but, looking at all that i remember now from a separate test that is was like 38 pg/ml

E2 at that level is good bro.

 

[pbstar06]

Your test dose has got you in great range and without using ai
I feel you should be pretty right to to move to 300mg test/ 100mg eq to start. Going to leave you in a good surplus of test to eq ratio and if you find e2 is creeping up can use aromasin short term to buy time to drop test back or bring eq up. @LevButlerov thoughts?

another note brother, how long you been on n2guard already? Hdl and ldl should be easy to keep in range at such low dose test.. have you started taking it already or nah?

E2 at that level is good bro.

i just started n2guard this morning.

im due for free bloods from the trt clinic soon so ill have a new test to add in the coming weeks.

also, how long should i wait before increasing EQ and test doses. like 3 weeks?

 

[Allupfromhere]

i just started n2guard this morning.

im due for free bloods from the trt clinic soon so ill have a new test to add in the coming weeks.

also, how long should i wait before increasing EQ and test doses. like 3 weeks?

Test dose will have impact at 3 weeks already maybe not full saturation but you will get an idea of which direction it is heading for sure! Eq's influence on e2 will also happen this early so it should sync up well. Run bloods at 3 week mark to check and again at 6 weeks. @LevButlerov will have more accurate advice then myself though. So wait for him to chime in again also.

 

[BeMe]

@LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @BeMe

I attached my bloods from my last time at the trt clinic. does this help at all?

that was on their prescription of 240mg trt wk. which I had to take a low dose AI for tender nipples. was starting to get some small lumps under them. I since lowered the dose to 200mg wk since may 2025 so that I could stay off the ai completely.

What exactly were you taking when you did these bloods. 240mg test, anything else?

Yea I don't see e2 there either. That's really weird that they didn't requisition it. Gameday up here in Canada is kinda known as a shitty clinic.

Test dose will have impact at 3 weeks already maybe not full saturation but you will get an idea of which direction it is heading for sure! Eq's influence on e2 will also happen this early so it should sync up well. Run bloods at 3 week mark to check and again at 6 weeks. @LevButlerov will have more accurate advice then myself though. So wait for him to chime in again also.

If money is an issue then you can just pull bloods at 6 weeks. If you can do both that would be great though.

 

[pbstar06]

@Allupfromhere @BeMe

i was only taking 240mg test and 1mg ai split twice a week. but i dropped the dose to 200mg to avoid using the ai after that. so my test now would likely be around the 750 mark with that dose and no ai

got new bloods scheduled for OCT 24th and will do more as needed going forward.

they didnt do E2 on that test but i had another test a few weeks before that where i distinctly remember it was under 40pg/ml. and going forward i will make sure they include it.

as to them being crappy, i agree somewhat as they're super pricey for what you get. at this point i know where my test rides pretty well dosing wise so ive been considering dropping them because its expensive and just ordering my own test and pins. but it is nice to just have it all sent to you with occasional free bloods so idk.

 

[LevButlerov]

@LevButlerov @Allupfromhere @BeMe

I attached my bloods from my last time at the trt clinic. does this help at all?

that was on their prescription of 240mg trt wk. which I had to take a low dose AI for tender nipples. was starting to get some small lumps under them. I since lowered the dose to 200mg wk since may 2025 so that I could stay off the ai completely.

Unfortunately I can't open PDFs, my mod panel blocks it (I told IT guys this), can you screen shot the report and post pics please? @pbstar06

 

[BeMe]

@Allupfromhere @BeMe

i was only taking 240mg test and 1mg ai split twice a week. but i dropped the dose to 200mg to avoid using the ai after that. so my test now would likely be around the 750 mark with that dose and no ai

got new bloods scheduled for OCT 24th and will do more as needed going forward.

they didnt do E2 on that test but i had another test a few weeks before that where i distinctly remember it was under 40pg/ml. and going forward i will make sure they include it.

as to them being crappy, i agree somewhat as they're super pricey for what you get. at this point i know where my test rides pretty well dosing wise so ive been considering dropping them because its expensive and just ordering my own test and pins. but it is nice to just have it all sent to you with occasional free bloods so idk.

I guess in a round about way you're kinda paying for the bloods right. Sounds like they just stuck you on the cookie cutter TRT protocol I hear about on YouTube all the time. Jack you up on test so you feel good, throw in a random AI, 50mgs of deca.

How can they put you on an AI but not order e2 testing. Super irresponsible.

 

[pbstar06]

I guess in a round about way you're kinda paying for the bloods right. Sounds like they just stuck you on the cookie cutter TRT protocol I hear about on YouTube all the time. Jack you up on test so you feel good, throw in a random AI, 50mgs of deca.

How can they put you on an AI but not order e2 testing. Super irresponsible.

Basically. But no deca from them

Just test c, and the ai which im no longer using. And the occasional bloodwork. Thats why im mulling over just doing it myself

 

[pbstar06]

Unfortunately I can't open PDFs, my mod panel blocks it (I told IT guys this), can you screen shot the report and post pics please? @pbstar06

Will do tomorrow

 

[BeMe]

Basically. But no deca from them

Just test c, and the ai which im no longer using. And the occasional bloodwork. Thats why im mulling over just doing it myself

Yea you'd be better off going it alone and just posting your stuff here and letting us help you.

Check out @stevesmi bloodwork log. You can post your blood work and he will read it for free. Also there are links and discount codes in there for bloodwork sources

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/bloodwork-from-private-md.5695/

 

[LevButlerov]

Will do tomorrow

thank you

 

[pbstar06]

Yea you'd be better off going it alone and just posting your stuff here and letting us help you.

Check out @stevesmi bloodwork log. You can post your blood work and he will read it for free. Also there are links and discount codes in there for bloodwork sources

https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/bloodwork-from-private-md.5695/

Awesome!

Ill do that for sure thankyou!

 

[BeMe]

Awesome!

Ill do that for sure thankyou!

No prob bro. You're EVO fam now. Helping eachother is what we do.

 

[pbstar06]

thank you

 

[LevButlerov]

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These are really bad markers for liver and kidneys, what organ liver kidney heart support are you using? @pbstar06
and I haven't seen any updates on diet training still.

 

[pbstar06]

These are really bad markers for liver and kidneys, what organ liver kidney heart support are you using? @pbstar06
and I haven't seen any updates on diet training still.

I was just taking multivitamins then. Now im on n2guard. But ive read that intense training can raise ast levels so it could be that because I had been training 5 days a week then plus alot of hiking.

 

[pbstar06]

These are really bad markers for liver and kidneys, what organ liver kidney heart support are you using? @pbstar06
and I haven't seen any updates on diet training still.

Diet is still the same as posted in the OP minus the peanut butter and I added 200g brocolli to dinner.

Training split is this right now... Will increase weight/sets over 4 weeks then reduce for 2 and ramp back up. How does it look?

4wk load oct 27th, 2wk de-load

Day 1

- cable fly 4x12 (90-100)

- DB bench 4x10 (45-50)

- cable or db lat raise 4x10 (60-80)

- incl BB or db press 4x8 (135) (50-60)

- dips 4x10

- forearms/ tricep cable superset 4x10 (120/220)


Day 2
- pull up or pull downs 4x10 (140)

- T bar or bent row 4x10 ( 115 )

- close grip cable row 4x10 (140)

- bicep pull 4x10 (110)

- farmer carry 4x
Superset
- db biceps variations 9x10 (80,30)

- 500m row machine?


Day 3

- 500-800ft stairs

- quad raises 4x10 (140)

- ham curls 4x10 (120)

- back squat or leg press 6x7 (205)

- Bulgarian SS 4x10 ( no weight )

- sauna


Day 4
Swim + sauna

Day 5
- Deadlift 7x7 drop rep to 3rm

- flat bench 6x8 (up to 225)

- DB farmer carry 5x

- face pulls 4x10

- EZ bar skulls crusher + press superset 5x8

- bicep work 6x12

-Sauna



Day 6
Rest


Day 7
Rest

 

[LevButlerov]

Diet is still the same as posted in the OP minus the peanut butter and I added 200g brocolli to dinner.

Training split is this right now... Will increase weight/sets over 4 weeks then reduce for 2 and ramp back up. How does it look?

4wk load oct 27th, 2wk de-load

Day 1

- cable fly 4x12 (90-100)

- DB bench 4x10 (45-50)

- cable or db lat raise 4x10 (60-80)

- incl BB or db press 4x8 (135) (50-60)

- dips 4x10

- forearms/ tricep cable superset 4x10 (120/220)


Day 2
- pull up or pull downs 4x10 (140)

- T bar or bent row 4x10 ( 115 )

- close grip cable row 4x10 (140)

- bicep pull 4x10 (110)

- farmer carry 4x
Superset
- db biceps variations 9x10 (80,30)

- 500m row machine?


Day 3

- 500-800ft stairs

- quad raises 4x10 (140)

- ham curls 4x10 (120)

- back squat or leg press 6x7 (205)

- Bulgarian SS 4x10 ( no weight )

- sauna


Day 4
Swim + sauna

Day 5
- Deadlift 7x7 drop rep to 3rm

- flat bench 6x8 (up to 225)

- DB farmer carry 5x

- face pulls 4x10

- EZ bar skulls crusher + press superset 5x8

- bicep work 6x12

-Sauna



Day 6
Rest


Day 7
Rest

Can you address the elephant in the room please? @pbstar06

These are really bad markers for liver and kidneys, what organ liver kidney heart support are you using? @pbstar06

Diet looks clean with the peanut butter pulled and broccoli added, that keeps it lean while still giving you enough volume to eat. I would work on the fiber intake via supps more.

The split covers everything but it’s a lot of pressing on day 1 and day 5, so watch shoulder fatigue. Legs are balanced with squats, curls and Bulgarians, but don’t be afraid to add load on the split squats once they feel too easy. Pull day has good variety with rows and carries, just make sure form stays tight as you push weight up. The load and deload rotation makes sense, just keep recovery in mind with the stairs, swimming and sauna all layered in.
I would highly suggest less shoulder work.

 

[LevButlerov]

I was just taking multivitamins then. Now im on n2guard. But ive read that intense training can raise ast levels so it could be that because I had been training 5 days a week then plus alot of hiking.

sorry missed your post. When did you start the n2guard dose? and what other supps you doing? @pbstar06

 

[pbstar06]

sorry missed your post. When did you start the n2guard dose? and what other supps you doing? @pbstar06

Its ok. I just started n2 this week. I didnt know about it before. Im also taking a multi controlled labs orange triad. 10g creatine, d3, fish oil and an omega 3 oil.

If I should take something else im certainly open to it, trying to do the best I can but I only know so much so im happy to take advice from you guys to learn.

As for the shoulder work I can reduce it some. Ill tinker with it so see what I can pull out. Trying to increase bench since its my weakest lift but maybe im approaching it wrong. Willing to take advice there too.

 

[BeMe]

Can you address the elephant in the room please? @pbstar06

What's the elephant? I'm missing out on that one lol.

@pbstar06 has been doing a great job of providing all the info we've been requesting from him. He's been very eager to learn and improve and is really trying his best. He's a great addition to our EVO fam!

New bloodwork is on the way. Unfortunately he was working with a cash grab TRT clinic that stuck him on a cookie cutter dose and an AI without even pulling e2 markers.

He plans to start handling his own TRT now and is going to upload his new bloodwork to @stevesmi bloodwork log for evaluation.

@pbstar06 had a few cycle ideas but put everything on pause while we figure out what's up with his e2 first. Even though he has the gear in the cupboard. Very smart move for a newbie member IMO.

@pbstar06 lots of us give advice but the advice you get from @LevButlerov is my far the best and will level you up big time. That's why I just did that whole write up to catch him up. His input is invaluable.

 

[pbstar06]

What's the elephant? I'm missing out on that one lol.

@pbstar06 has been doing a great job of providing all the info we've been requesting from him. He's been very eager to learn and improve and is really trying his best. He's a great addition to our EVO fam!

New bloodwork is on the way. Unfortunately he was working with a cash grab TRT clinic that stuck him on a cookie cutter dose and an AI without even pulling e2 markers.

He plans to start handling his own TRT now and is going to upload his new bloodwork to @stevesmi bloodwork log for evaluation.

@pbstar06 had a few cycle ideas but put everything on pause while we figure out what's up with his e2 first. Even though he has the gear in the cupboard. Very smart move for a newbie member IMO.

@pbstar06 lots of us give advice but the advice you get from @LevButlerov is my far the best and will level you up big time. That's why I just did that whole write up to catch him up. His input is invaluable.

I appreciate all of your guys advice and feedback so far.

I definitely want to do this right and learn as much as I can.

Thankyou!

 

[pbstar06]

Dinner for the foreseeable future.
Only sauces allowed that I like are hot sauce, liquid aminos, or mustard

 

[BeMe]

I appreciate all of your guys advice and feedback so far.

I definitely want to do this right and learn as much as I can.

Thankyou!

You got the right kinda attitude and mindset. Once everything is sorted and you're ready to go I can tell for sure you gonna have a safe cycle with maximal gains.

Are you a hunting guide? I saw the banner in your profile.

 

[pbstar06]

You got the right kinda attitude and mindset. Once everything is sorted and you're ready to go I can tell for sure you gonna have a safe cycle with maximal gains.

Are you a hunting guide? I saw the banner in your profile.

Trying to get it started. Been scouting and guiding for family this year and using it for tax purposes but hoping it gets bigger as I get more experience

 

[LevButlerov]

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Dinner for the foreseeable future.
Only sauces allowed that I like are hot sauce, liquid aminos, or mustard

You put liquid aminos on top? you're hardcore

 

[LevButlerov]

Its ok. I just started n2 this week. I didnt know about it before. Im also taking a multi controlled labs orange triad. 10g creatine, d3, fish oil and an omega 3 oil.

If I should take something else im certainly open to it, trying to do the best I can but I only know so much so im happy to take advice from you guys to learn.

As for the shoulder work I can reduce it some. Ill tinker with it so see what I can pull out. Trying to increase bench since its my weakest lift but maybe im approaching it wrong. Willing to take advice there too.

Supp stack looks solid with n2guard, triad, creatine, d3 and fish oils, you’re covering the bases well. Only thing I’d add is magnesium at night if you aren’t already, it helps recovery and sleep.

On the bench, don’t force extra shoulder work right now, let it heal and build the press up through smart progression. Focus on tight setup, consistent bar path and keep volume manageable so you’re not beating the joint up. Heavy squats and pulls will still drive overall strength that carries over when the shoulder is ready for more load.

 

[pbstar06]

Supp stack looks solid with n2guard, triad, creatine, d3 and fish oils, you’re covering the bases well. Only thing I’d add is magnesium at night if you aren’t already, it helps recovery and sleep.

On the bench, don’t force extra shoulder work right now, let it heal and build the press up through smart progression. Focus on tight setup, consistent bar path and keep volume manageable so you’re not beating the joint up. Heavy squats and pulls will still drive overall strength that carries over when the shoulder is ready for more load.

Will do on the magnesium and shoulder advice

 

[BeMe]

Trying to get it started. Been scouting and guiding for family this year and using it for tax purposes but hoping it gets bigger as I get more experience

And I'm guessing from the name of your company you live in mountain country?

Health and fitness is extra important if you want to keep that up. You'll have to be even better than the rest of us because you're job success literally depends on it. You'll need to be extra selective about what you choose to put into your body. Anavar for example is the last compound I would want to use if I was hiking up mountains for work. The pumps you get on anavar can be crippling.

Do you drink or use an rec drugs? You can be honest and open here bro. A lot of us are ex addicts.

 

[pbstar06]

Supp stack looks solid with n2guard, triad, creatine, d3 and fish oils, you’re covering the bases well. Only thing I’d add is magnesium at night if you aren’t already, it helps recovery and sleep.

On the bench, don’t force extra shoulder work right now, let it heal and build the press up through smart progression. Focus on tight setup, consistent bar path and keep volume manageable so you’re not beating the joint up. Heavy squats and pulls will still drive overall strength that carries over when the shoulder is ready for more load.

Will do on the magnesium and shoulder advice

And I'm guessing from the name of your company you live in mountain country?

Health and fitness is extra important if you want to keep that up. You'll have to be even better than the rest of us because you're job success literally depends on it. You'll need to be extra selective about what you choose to put into your body. Anavar for example is the last compound I would want to use if I was hiking up mountains for work. The pumps you get on anavar can be crippling.

Do you drink or use an rec drugs? You can be honest and open here bro. A lot of us are ex addicts.

Not anymore, im almost 2 years clean on alcohol and 4 years on any drugs. Only thing I do now is the zyn lol

I live at the foot of the Sierra Mountains. But doing a cycle of var wont be a huge issue. The guide gig is a 2nd hobby my main job is cybersecurity

 

[BeMe]

Will do on the magnesium and shoulder advice

Not anymore, im almost 2 years clean on alcohol and 4 years on any drugs. Only thing I do now is the zyn lol

I live at the foot of the Sierra Mountains. But doing a cycle of var wont be a huge issue. The guide gig is a 2nd hobby my main job is cybersecurity

Making your hobby into a business, that's really cool! I have a lot of admiration for people who do that and can pull it off.

I was around the Sierra's on the Mexican side before and it was really beautiful. We have no mountains here in Toronto and my dream is to stack up enough money and move west to the Rockies. One day

Just becareful about compound selection around hunting season lol. Certain peds will seriously hamper your ability to put in long hours. Funny enough, your second choice EQ is supposed to actually improve your endurance they say.

Glad to hear you're clean and sober bro. Me too. I also have a tin of zyns in my pocket right now lol

 

[LevButlerov]

Will do on the magnesium and shoulder advice

post up the pics of the supps you get

 

[pbstar06]

post up the pics of the supps you get

Is this the right kind of magnesium? There were a few other types i wasn't sure what to get

 

[BeMe]

Is this the right kind of magnesium? There were a few other types i wasn't sure what to get

Citrate is good. You'll wanna get some glycolate too.

I just use a magnesium complex tablet that contains citrate, glycinate, and taurate. There's a shit load of magnesium types lol. It can be confusing.

 

[pbstar06]

Citrate is good. You'll wanna get some glycolate too.

I just use a magnesium complex tablet that contains citrate, glycinate, and taurate. There's a shit load of magnesium types lol. It can be confusing.

Lol I was like welp I guess I try this one out of the 37 they had. Ill look for the complex next time im at the store

 

[BeMe]

Lol I was like welp I guess I try this one out of the 37 they had. Ill look for the complex next time im at the store

You guessed well tho. Citrate is an important one. Pretty good luck there.

 

[LevButlerov]

Is this the right kind of magnesium? There were a few other types i wasn't sure what to get

That will work

 

[pbstar06]

Got my gameday subscription canceled.

Couple questions since im going to run out of my test cyp soon.

Should I order sustanon to replace the cyp? What ive read seem to say its better all around.

Second, is pharmacom labs a good option or is there a better lab company I should be looking for?

Thinking about ordering from steroidify

@BeMe

 

[LevButlerov]

Got my gameday subscription canceled.

Couple questions since im going to run out of my test cyp soon.

Should I order sustanon to replace the cyp? What ive read seem to say its better all around.

Second, is pharmacom labs a good option or is there a better lab company I should be looking for?

Thinking about ordering from steroidify

@BeMe

Sustanon works fine as a swap, it just has mixed esters so you’ll need to pin 2x per week for steadier levels. No real benefit over cyp other than faster onset, so stick with whatever you can source reliably. @pbstar06 Steroidify is legit you have nothing to worry about.

Pharmacom is usually solid but like any UGL can vary batch to batch, steroidify is known and ships clean. Just keep an AI handy when switching esters since e2 may bump for a week or two.

Are you training dieting now?