Approved Log First Testosterone Cycle Log - 40 years old

[Deepestsouthgainz]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

 

[LevButlerov]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

awesome post thank you for sharing @Deepestsouthgainz start by adding pics of you face blurred so we can see your base, we need to know your base to really understand you.

 

[Dreamer]

Nice start to your log, would be great to see a shot of your current physique to see where your at.

Couple of things to note though, at your age, is there a reason you are wanting to PCT rather than stay on low dose or replacement?

Your calories are too low for your activity level and this will end up hindering you in what your trying to do.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

awesome post thank you for sharing @Deepestsouthgainz start by adding pics of you face blurred so we can see your base, we need to know your base to really understand you.

Thanks Lev, I will upload some pics shortly

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Nice start to your log, would be great to see a shot of your current physique to see where your at.

Couple of things to note though, at your age, is there a reason you are wanting to PCT rather than stay on low dose or replacement?

Your calories are too low for your activity level and this will end up hindering you in what you’re trying to do.

Thanks, yes I’m definitely feeling the low calories so will bring those up. My natural test is around 600 but honestly I’d rather stay on trt and might just do that if i feel good and have better recovery than before.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks Lev, I will upload some pics shortly

awesome will be waiting @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[Dreamer]

Thanks, yes I’m definitely feeling the low calories so will bring those up. My natural test is around 600 but honestly I’d rather stay on trt and might just do that if i feel good and have better recovery than before.

I just finished a really deep cut and found the weight came off better a few hundred under your maitnencne, which for you will be quite high, you can use a TDEE calc to estimate, and go from there, but your training and everything will be better

 

[R.AP]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

Hey brother! Welcome to the forums!

Just regarding your cycle plan mate I wouldn't worry about dulling your receptors. Like you said, this is a conservative dose and something you could run for a long time if you look after your health well enough.

I'm curious if a decline in performance is a concern for yours why you're thinking of doing a PCT, rather than staying on a low-dose year-round? Are you and your partner still considering children?

Touching on health, would you be able to provide some recent bloodwork with the parameters you mentioned being out? I'd be happy to have a look and recommend some changes/ things to implement while on this cycle to help shift some of them in the right direction.

And yep! Liver support for the Anavar is a must. To be honest, I'm not a fan of orals, and will almost never program them for my clients.

Anavar in particular might not be a good choice if your lipids are already skewed.

Cheers!

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

So my most recent bloodwork and some before pics

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Hey brother! Welcome to the forums!

Just regarding your cycle plan mate I wouldn't worry about dulling your receptors. Like you said, this is a conservative dose and something you could run for a long time if you look after your health well enough.

I'm curious if a decline in performance is a concern for yours why you're thinking of doing a PCT, rather than staying on a low-dose year-round? Are you and your partner still considering children?

Touching on health, would you be able to provide some recent bloodwork with the parameters you mentioned being out? I'd be happy to have a look and recommend some changes/ things to implement while on this cycle to help shift some of them in the right direction.

And yep! Liver support for the Anavar is a must. To be honest, I'm not a fan of orals, and will almost never program them for my clients.

Anavar in particular might not be a good choice if your lipids are already skewed.

Cheers!

Thanks mate, the more i think about it i am considering staying on TRT in-between as it just makes a whole lot more sense. It will really depend on if it makes me feel better that i do without it. Got all the kids out of the way so no issue there. Natural test sits at around 600 so I'm not clinically low but there's always room to feel better.

I've uploaded some photos and some bloodwork. I'm aware of the risks with orals, the main goal with Anavar is to bring some intensity back to training days (not necessarily for the anabolism) by using a small sub lingual dose on tough body parts that need the most work. Definitely going to be monitoring it closely and adding some liver and kidney support.

 

[R.AP]

Thanks mate, the more i think about it i am considering staying on TRT in-between as it just makes a whole lot more sense. It will really depend on if it makes me feel better that i do without it. Got all the kids out of the way so no issue there. Natural test sits at around 600 so I'm not clinically low but there's always room to feel better.

I've uploaded some photos and some bloodwork. I'm aware of the risks with orals, the main goal with Anavar is to bring some intensity back to training days (not necessarily for the anabolism) by using a small sub lingual dose on tough body parts that need the most work. Definitely going to be monitoring it closely and adding some liver and kidney support.

It's to each their own and their individual risk profile but I can't see much point in coming off completely at 40+ if you're finished with kiddos!

How good you feel on the TRT/ Cruise dose will depend on your nutrition, rest and recovery, lifestyle practices and supplements! Do you have a plan for your nutrition?

Also sublingual will help heaps with the Anavar. I would strongly recommend improving your lipids before starting it though. Was it both low HDL and high LDL?

Thanks mate!

 

[EvoNexus]

Good intro and clear thinking. Agree that calories are a key factor here — not eating enough can really hold back progress, even on cycle. Curious how your energy has felt with the peptides in that deficit?

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Good intro and clear thinking. Agree that calories are a key factor here — not eating enough can really hold back progress, even on cycle. Curious how your energy has felt with the peptides in that deficit?

Yes the deficit was ok in the first few weeks but really draining lately. 5amino1mq has been rather helpful and a bit of methylene blue every now and then. Time to raise the calories now though

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

It's to each their own and their individual risk profile but I can't see much point in coming off completely at 40+ if you're finished with kiddos!

How good you feel on the TRT/ Cruise dose will depend on your nutrition, rest and recovery, lifestyle practices and supplements! Do you have a plan for your nutrition?

Also sublingual will help heaps with the Anavar. I would strongly recommend improving your lipids before starting it though. Was it both low HDL and high LDL?

Thanks mate!

Thanks, that’s a very valid point. My lipids were bad in the past but I put a lot of this down to experiments with keto/ carnivore which I no longer do. Nutrition and lifestyle factors are generally good but always a work in progress. Another reason I’d like a longer cycle is to have more time to dial in all the variables.

 

[LevButlerov]

Checking @Deepestsouthgainz which to delete? post # on the right

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

#9

 

[R.AP]

Thanks, that’s a very valid point. My lipids were bad in the past but I put a lot of this down to experiments with keto/ carnivore which I no longer do. Nutrition and lifestyle factors are generally good but always a work in progress. Another reason I’d like a longer cycle is to have more time to dial in all the variables.

Yeah bro a longer and more health conscious cycle is the way to go for almost any context!

Grab a few of the following to help with your lipids:

Citrus bergamot
Red yeast rice
Plant sterols/ stanols

You can also make sure your diet has plenty of Omega 3's and 9's

Avocado
Macadamia Nuts
Fish
Dark Chocolate

Are some easy wins

 

[Mobster]

The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow.

For some people. Not us

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Definitely agree, that was the thought process going in. But I intend to achieve the exact opposite

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Yeah bro a longer and more health conscious cycle is the way to go for almost any context!

Grab a few of the following to help with your lipids:

Citrus bergamot
Red yeast rice
Plant sterols/ stanols

You can also make sure your diet has plenty of Omega 3's and 9's

Avocado
Macadamia Nuts
Fish
Dark Chocolate

Are some easy wins

Thanks mate, those are great points. Will implement.

 

[LevButlerov]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

So my most recent bloodwork and some before pics

Welcome now fully to the EVO family @Deepestsouthgainz sorry it took me so long to approve, I had over 1000 in my mod que and got lost, my apologies to you for this delay, log is now approved.
You look really good tight and lean in the pic I really see you dedicated yourself to this and will be doing well this year!
Happy new year!

Now for your log

Cycle
I suggest we start with 300mgs test/week split dose and 20mgs anavar pre workout sublingual and stay there for 4 weeks before moving anywhere.
I think test/anavar/reta for you might be the perfect cycle and sports TRT is the way to start.

We would like actual update if you can, start asap so we can get a baseline

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

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https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

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[stevesmi]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

@Deepestsouthgainz we are definitely not judgmental at all, man. Everybody is going to be different and have different goals and strategies. We support everybody. So far, so good on this. I got a lot of love for your layout.

 

[R.AP]

Thanks mate, those are great points. Will implement.

Awesome bro, I'll be following along! Keen to see how your bloodwork improves with the new changes!

 

[Mobster]

There's very little data behind the receptor thing.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Welcome now fully to the EVO family @Deepestsouthgainz sorry it took me so long to approve, I had over 1000 in my mod que and got lost, my apologies to you for this delay, log is now approved.
You look really good tight and lean in the pic I really see you dedicated yourself to this and will be doing well this year!
Happy new year!

Now for your log

Cycle
I suggest we start with 300mgs test/week split dose and 20mgs anavar pre workout sublingual and stay there for 4 weeks before moving anywhere.
I think test/anavar/reta for you might be the perfect cycle and sports TRT is the way to start.

We would like actual update if you can, start asap so we can get a baseline

Diet, Training, Cardio
Diet, please share foods and meals and when you eat them, macros would be good
Training, please share actual exercises reps sets and weights, as you go especially get stronger
cardio how much do you do? when etc
If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Or use an app like myfitness pal or cronometer. Very easy.

supplements
Are you taking high doses Vitamin C?
what digestive supps you use?
digestive enzymes?
multis?
probiotics?
psyllium husk?

are you listening to our podcast? if not, you should:
https://www.evolutionary.org/podcasts/
https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/evolutionary-bodybuilding-radio/id1798623410
https://open.spotify.com/show/53q1RFTgG4h6TQHsJ4xY6Z

did you download our eBooks?
https://irongorillas.com

Thanks very much mate, and for all the feedback and tips! With no major issues raised I’ll be looking to start shortly and will post some more info and updates as you have suggested. I got a bit of homework to do to begin logging things a bit better but will get on top of it all.

Cheers

 

[ROIDDERS]

Thanks very much mate, and for all the feedback and tips! With no major issues raised I’ll be looking to start shortly and will post some more info and updates as you have suggested. I got a bit of homework to do to begin logging things a bit better but will get on top of it all.

Cheers

Remember, this is your log, so by all means do it the way you want. It should be in your style, but definitely check out the other logs as well and get a good sense of things to include so we can help you best. @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[2Thick]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

I'm curious, as a tradesman, and as hard as you work physically, how you can make this work. @Deepestsouthgainz it will be a cool log to follow. I'm looking forward to seeing you balance your rigors of work with the rigors of the gym.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks very much mate, and for all the feedback and tips! With no major issues raised I’ll be looking to start shortly and will post some more info and updates as you have suggested. I got a bit of homework to do to begin logging things a bit better but will get on top of it all.

Cheers

lets do it keep us updated @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[ceo]

Thanks, yes I’m definitely feeling the low calories so will bring those up. My natural test is around 600 but honestly I’d rather stay on trt and might just do that if i feel good and have better recovery than before.

@Deepestsouthgainz Bros, damn, those are some good testosterone levels naturally. If you go on TRT, keep in mind you're going to lose those natural test levels. Might be a wise choice to give it a few years before you do that.

 

[Ulter]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

The training is fantastic. I like that you know how to throw around the iron. That's a good start. And also good job on the cardio. Walking and hiking is pretty good. @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[ballin2504]

So my most recent bloodwork and some before pics

@Deepestsouthgainz welcome to the forum man we are glad to have you. You have a good base to start with. Should be able to out in muscle easily.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

I'm curious, as a tradesman, and as hard as you work physically, how you can make this work. @Deepestsouthgainz it will be a cool log to follow. I'm looking forward to seeing you balance your rigors of work with the rigors of the gym.

Interestingly, one of the toughest things with a very physical job will be dialing in macro's. Some days 3500 calories will be maintenance for me and others it will be a large surplus with such a wide variation in activity level. Thankfully I'm self employed so with a bit of strategy ill be able to fit in the training quite well. Its the eating I'm going to struggle with more than anything when i move out of the cut.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

The training is fantastic. I like that you know how to throw around the iron. That's a good start. And also good job on the cardio. Walking and hiking is pretty good. @Deepestsouthgainz

Thanks mate, I live in a particularly beautiful part of the world so i figure that the best way to get the cardio in is to get out into the mountains a bit.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Bit of an update

Decided to test out my Anavar, just to make sure its legit. Wanted to do it before the first pin so I can control variables. With 12.5mg sub lingual had a great back and bicep workout. definitely 20% more intensity and stamina. Hopefully not placebo but it seemed to be what I had expected. I guess I wouldn't know if it was Winnie or something else (without much experience) but pretty happy that is does what it says on the tin.

First pin the following day. Having dropped most of the peptides it almost feels like hardly pinning anymore so I'm doing daily 35mg to start off but might move to EOD as things progress.

Training intensity has been much better for the first 2 days. Psychologically, it could be the anticipation of the cycle driving it. Also, I have raised my calories closer to 2200 and trying to get in as much carbs as possible around the training window. I'm still eating all the wife's home cooking and haven't gone full chicken, broccoli and rice yet, but tracking has been on point and hitting all the macros a bit better with a higher calorie limit.

Protein 180g min
Carbs 150g
Fat 50g

It summertime so walking daily for cardio is the move. Sometimes just around my neighborhood and sometimes in the surrounding mountains.

I've got a long way to go with the physique so I'm in it for the long haul. Definitely have some body parts that need extra work particularly shoulders. I'm going to keep my current program but will spend the next 4-6 weeks hitting shoulders twice a week while keeping everything else the same. Tracking program will need to be on point from here on out to ensure progressive overload. Really excited about the journey.

Cheers

 

[LevButlerov]

Bit of an update

Decided to test out my Anavar, just to make sure its legit. Wanted to do it before the first pin so I can control variables. With 12.5mg sub lingual had a great back and bicep workout. definitely 20% more intensity and stamina. Hopefully not placebo but it seemed to be what I had expected. I guess I wouldn't know if it was Winnie or something else (without much experience) but pretty happy that is does what it says on the tin.

First pin the following day. Having dropped most of the peptides it almost feels like hardly pinning anymore so I'm doing daily 35mg to start off but might move to EOD as things progress.

Training intensity has been much better for the first 2 days. Phytologically it could be the anticipation of the cycle. Also, I have raised my calories closer to 2200 and trying to get in as much carbs as possible around the training window. I'm still eating all the wife's home cooking and haven't gone full chicken, broccoli and rice yet, but tracking has been on point and hitting all the macros a bit better with a higher calorie limit.

Protein 180g min
Carbs 150g
Fat 50g

It summertime so walking daily for cardio is the move. Sometimes just around my neighborhood and sometimes in the surrounding mountains.

I've got a long way to go with the physique so I'm in it for the long haul. Definitely have some body parts that need extra work particularly shoulders. I'm going to keep my current program but will spend the next 4-6 weeks hitting shoulders twice a week while keeping everything else the same. Tracking program will need to be on point from here on out to ensure progressive overload. Really excited about the journey.

Cheers

good update @Deepestsouthgainz 1st dose of anavar you felt it? might be a bit psychological but good you felt it

training better, you log any good lifts for us?

 

[Ulter]

Thanks mate, I live in a particularly beautiful part of the world so i figure that the best way to get the cardio in is to get out into the mountains a bit.

That is amazing. It's all flat where I live.

 

[2Thick]

Interestingly, one of the toughest things with a very physical job will be dialing in macro's. Some days 3500 calories will be maintenance for me and others it will be a large surplus with such a wide variation in activity level. Thankfully I'm self employed so with a bit of strategy ill be able to fit in the training quite well. Its the eating I'm going to struggle with more than anything when i move out of the cut.

Good point. I guess it's a race with the calories.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

good update @Deepestsouthgainz 1st dose of anavar you felt it? might be a bit psychological but good you felt it

training better, you log any good lifts for us?

Working on the training log. I’ve always been a bit of I hyper responder to most things so tend to dose very conservatively. Didn’t expect the pumps to be soo good so soon

 

[LevButlerov]

Working on the training log. I’ve always been a bit of I hyper responder to most things so tend to dose very conservatively. Didn’t expect the pumps to be soo good so soon

waiting on the training log @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Updated workout routine.

Its not till I actually wrote this out properly (I'd usually just run off iPhone notes) that I realized my routine is not really optimal, its been a bit of a learning exercise for me, so I guess that's good to find out now rather than down the track. Really want to move into incorporating more compound exercises and hitting each muscle group twice a week.

In the excitement of starting the cycle and with the time off work at the moment I have been overtraining and struggling with recovery. Best to spend the time working on dialing my routine and diet rather than filling up with junk sets at the gym.

Running Reta at 2mg per week but still finding it hard to get in the 2200 cal. It helps me not to eat junk but sometimes struggle just to get in all the calories. I tend to be a good responder to most compounds. Have dropped back to 1mg now. The weight loss has been much slower than i would like so a bit frustrated honestly. But hoping the test/var will help boot the metabolism back up.

 

[LevButlerov]

Updated workout routine.

Its not till I actually wrote this out properly (I'd usually just run off iPhone notes) that I realized my routine is not really optimal, its been a bit of a learning exercise for me, so I guess that's good to find out now rather than down the track. Really want to move into incorporating more compound exercises and hitting each muscle group twice a week.

In the excitement of starting the cycle and with the time off work at the moment I have been overtraining and struggling with recovery. Best to spend the time working on dialing my routine and diet rather than filling up with junk sets at the gym.

Running Reta at 2mg per week but still finding it hard to get in the 2200 cal. It helps me not to eat junk but sometimes struggle just to get in all the calories. I tend to be a good responder to most compounds. Have dropped back to 1mg now. The weight loss has been much slower than i would like so a bit frustrated honestly. But hoping the test/var will help boot the metabolism back up.
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good training but your volume lacks goals I would start by getting 20 reps each set to see the pump you get @Deepestsouthgainz and with the retatrutide try doing protein shakes to have protein high


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

 

[Freki]

n the excitement of starting the cycle and with the time off work at the moment I have been overtraining and struggling with recovery. Best to spend the time working on dialing my routine and diet rather than filling up with junk sets at the gym.

Been there, good on you recognising what was going on and making a change

 

[Dreamer]

Updated workout routine.

Its not till I actually wrote this out properly (I'd usually just run off iPhone notes) that I realized my routine is not really optimal, its been a bit of a learning exercise for me, so I guess that's good to find out now rather than down the track. Really want to move into incorporating more compound exercises and hitting each muscle group twice a week.

In the excitement of starting the cycle and with the time off work at the moment I have been overtraining and struggling with recovery. Best to spend the time working on dialing my routine and diet rather than filling up with junk sets at the gym.

Running Reta at 2mg per week but still finding it hard to get in the 2200 cal. It helps me not to eat junk but sometimes struggle just to get in all the calories. I tend to be a good responder to most compounds. Have dropped back to 1mg now. The weight loss has been much slower than i would like so a bit frustrated honestly. But hoping the test/var will help boot the metabolism back up.
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I would suggest Push/Pull/Legs rest repeat, I run this and really am having good results

 

[waggat]

Updated workout routine.

Its not till I actually wrote this out properly (I'd usually just run off iPhone notes) that I realized my routine is not really optimal, its been a bit of a learning exercise for me, so I guess that's good to find out now rather than down the track. Really want to move into incorporating more compound exercises and hitting each muscle group twice a week.

In the excitement of starting the cycle and with the time off work at the moment I have been overtraining and struggling with recovery. Best to spend the time working on dialing my routine and diet rather than filling up with junk sets at the gym.

Running Reta at 2mg per week but still finding it hard to get in the 2200 cal. It helps me not to eat junk but sometimes struggle just to get in all the calories. I tend to be a good responder to most compounds. Have dropped back to 1mg now. The weight loss has been much slower than i would like so a bit frustrated honestly. But hoping the test/var will help boot the metabolism back up.
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Not a bad layout. Pretty classic bodybuilding split. I would probably ditch the shoulders from the leg day (you have them on another day). That will allow you to add another leg exercise or two.

Or you can do as @Dreamer says and do push pull legs. Benefit of this is it allows higher frequency (which I think lesser experienced people benefit from).

 

[Dreamer]

Not a bad layout. Pretty classic bodybuilding split. I would probably ditch the shoulders from the leg day (you have them on another day). That will allow you to add another leg exercise or two.

Or you can do as @Dreamer says and do push pull legs. Benefit of this is it allows higher frequency (which I think lesser experienced people benefit from).

Another reason I like it, if life comes up and gets in the way and you have to miss a day, you still got a session in at least for the week, just not your second

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

good training but your volume lacks goals I would start by getting 20 reps each set to see the pump you get @Deepestsouthgainz and with the retatrutide try doing protein shakes to have protein high


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

Thanks Lev, yeah the shakes are a lifesaver

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

I would suggest Push/Pull/Legs rest repeat, I run this and really am having good results

Yeah I'm looking at changing up to PPL. BTW just listened to your pod. Was a good listen, will be following

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Not a bad layout. Pretty classic bodybuilding split. I would probably ditch the shoulders from the leg day (you have them on another day). That will allow you to add another leg exercise or two.

Or you can do as @Dreamer says and do push pull legs. Benefit of this is it allows higher frequency (which I think lesser experienced people benefit from).

Yeah i think i will go the PPL route. The shoulders need extra work but yes i take your point, the legs need a full day at least.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks Lev, yeah the shakes are a lifesaver

perfect

 

[Noah Wixx]

I was glad to find such an active community in this forum by doing a lot of reading of others cycle logs. The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

So thought id run a log myself:

About me:

39YO
Tradesman (very active physically)
82KG
179cm
18-20% BF

Been training on and off from the age of 16 with periods of training very seriously and periods where business and family life was the priority. I spent some months in my 20's training Muay Thai in Thailand and would have been in the best shape at that point of my life, albeit not as muscular as other periods. Always been a bit of a hard gainer and struggled with recovery from training and work. The reward has not been consistent with my training in relation to the effort input although this is partially my fault due to a long learning process with training.

I ran a 6 week cycle of Test E (the old Organon ampules with an orange tint from Naps) in my early 20's when I didn't know what i was doing and information was much harder to come by. I responded very well to test only and didn't struggle much with Estrogen (no AI). My natural levels bounced back nicely despite no PCT.

Approaching 40 has had some major psychological effects. The thought that from here forward the body is in a state of slow decline is a tough pill to swallow. I want to get in the best shape of my life and receive the just reward for all the hard work that goes into training. To go on cycle is "at least for a time, to have a period where the body feels to be in a state of improvement rather than decline". And this is one of my many motivations. Apologies for all the psychological mumbo jumbo, but it might be interesting to some.

Pre-cycle

For the last 3-4 months i have been experimenting with various peptides. The goal was mainly to drop to 15%BF before running the cycle. Its been a mixed experience with peptides and probably deserves a Log on its own. My conclusion at the end is that they are effective at very specific things but I really struggled with side effects, which i did not expect. I did manage to drop from 88.6kg to 82kg during this period but my training has really suffered and been in a calorie deficit for over 3 months (tracking). I have built some muscle during this time which is why the scale drop is not that impressive.

Some of the peptide i used:

Reta
BPC 157
DSIP
CJC/ IPA
SS-31
5 Amino 1MQ (oral)

I will continue to run Reta at 1mg/ week as i enter the cycle as it has a great effect on my bloodwork. Maybe continue with the CJC/Ipa but would like to get the Test dialed in before adding other compounds.

Cycle plan:

I have not reached my goal BF% yet so would like to bring in Test E at just 200mg per week and low dose (5-10mg) Anavar (just on training days) to raise my metabolism while maintaining the calorie deficit. I would like to dial in at this dose of test to assess Estrogen/DHT with bloods and continue to try to reach the 15%BF level. After about 6 weeks the goal is to raise Test to 400mg and run for 12-16 weeks and run the cycle. I will have Nolva and arimidex on hand. I wanted to get some input on whether running at 200 per week for 6 weeks is a bad idea as this does extend the total time-on to 20+ weeks and i don't want to dull receptors before the main blast phase. Its a pretty conservative cycle and i would like to keep it that way, as i need to maintain a business and cant spend all my time dealing with side effect issues. I would rather run lower for longer than try to achieve something overnight. Also, its pretty important to me to feel good while on cycle, whats the point of having great gains if im fighting sides the whole time.

PCT:

Enclomiphene 20mg daily 2 weeks after last shot
Unsure if Nolva is necessary with Enclo?
Also, would like to run HCG but need more research on this and whether to run it the whole time or just at the end of cycle (fertility not required)

Bloodwork:

I have managed to get all my major blood markers in range with Reta (i was rather stunned) and clean diet. Particularly LDL, HDL, and HBA1c which i have struggled with slightly in the past. I will getting bloods after 4-5 weeks on 200mg test and the same after ramping up.

Training:

4-5 days per week in the morning

Back - bi's
Chest - Tri's
Shoulders - Calves
Legs

I'm pretty comfortable with this program but am thinking about changing up in the future to hit each group twice a week.

Cardio involves lots of walking, hiking (at least while its summertime)

Diet:

I have been hitting 1800-2000 Cal per day with 160g protein 50g fat and 100g carbs

I will look to drop the fat a bit and raise the carbs and protein. Will also raise calories to 2500 when I start the blast phase (more on work days).

Im trying to slam all my carbs around the training and stick to protein heavy foods later in the day. Its pretty hard to get in a lot of carbs in the morning as i am just not hungry so find that liquid carbs are the best.

Supplements:

Pre-workout
Creatine 5-10g per day
Quercetin daily
Multi vitamin
Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I will upload some Pre photos and progress reports. Mods please let me know if i have logged correctly or need to modify anything. Also, would like to talk a little about product reviews as it is a very niche industry in my location and i think the community where i am could really benefit from user experiences.

Thanks Lev for recommending that i run a log.

Cheers

Congratulations on the log brother

 

[Pigsy]

Nice log brother, will be following

 

[HarleyGuy]

Updated workout routine.

Its not till I actually wrote this out properly (I'd usually just run off iPhone notes) that I realized my routine is not really optimal, its been a bit of a learning exercise for me, so I guess that's good to find out now rather than down the track. Really want to move into incorporating more compound exercises and hitting each muscle group twice a week.

In the excitement of starting the cycle and with the time off work at the moment I have been overtraining and struggling with recovery. Best to spend the time working on dialing my routine and diet rather than filling up with junk sets at the gym.

Running Reta at 2mg per week but still finding it hard to get in the 2200 cal. It helps me not to eat junk but sometimes struggle just to get in all the calories. I tend to be a good responder to most compounds. Have dropped back to 1mg now. The weight loss has been much slower than i would like so a bit frustrated honestly. But hoping the test/var will help boot the metabolism back up.
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Great workout and great start to your log bro! I'm excited to follow you on this one.

SS-31

What were your impressions on this peptide? What dose and how long did you run it?

Will look to bring in some liver support for the Anavar

I highly recommend N2Guard. You can get it off needtobuildmuscle.com
There's bloodwork on EVO proving N2Guard works. It's in my 2025 log as well.

First pin the following day. Having dropped most of the peptides it almost feels like hardly pinning anymore so I'm doing daily 35mg to start off but might move to EOD as things progress.

So your cycle is currently 245 Test (which ester?) and no anavar yet except that one preworkout go at it?

The weight loss has been much slower than i would like so a bit frustrated honestly. But hoping the test/var will help boot the metabolism back up.

I think if you don't rush the weight loss then what will come off will be more fatloss which if you're patient will be your best bet in the long run.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Great workout and great start to your log bro! I'm excited to follow you on this one.


What were your impressions on this peptide? What dose and how long did you run it?

I highly recommend N2Guard. You can get it off needtobuildmuscle.com
There's bloodwork on EVO proving N2Guard works. It's in my 2025 log as well.

So your cycle is currently 245 Test (which ester?) and no anavar yet except that one preworkout go at it?

I think if you don't rush the weight loss then what will come off will be more fatloss which if you're patient will be your best bet in the long run.

Thanks for the tips mate! Will look at n2guard, definitely need to include something like that for support.

Been running enanthate with daily pin. I’m trying to dial in as high as I can without an ai just while still in a cut. It’s hard to go and work out without the anavar now so have been using it a bit. Really great stuff even at low dose.

The SS31 is a mixed bag, got a bit of energy with diminishing returns. Ran 2mg daily for 2 weeks. I was hoping for some long term mitochondrial benefits but tough to know if there was anything worthwhile in it. Might try some Mots c next to see what the fuss is all about.

Yes the weight loss is a marathon not a sprint and I see the benefits of really getting rather low before trying to bulk, so that’s the goal.

Cheers bro

 

[R.AP]

good training but your volume lacks goals I would start by getting 20 reps each set to see the pump you get @Deepestsouthgainz and with the retatrutide try doing protein shakes to have protein high


@BeMe @HarleyGuy @s.gentz
@Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki @R.AP
@waggat @Yuri @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy

I'd love to see people start to record and write a note of the reps in reserve on each set as well as an indicator of training intensity!

@Deepestsouthgainz how close to failure do you typically train? How many sets on each exercise are at that intensity?

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

I'd love to see people start to record and write a note of the reps in reserve on each set as well as an indicator of training intensity!

@Deepestsouthgainz how close to failure do you typically train? How many sets on each exercise are at that intensity?

Hi mate, that’s a really good point. The goal is always to have at least one set to failure per exercise. It’s not always the case but I do tend to still get DOMS on the regular so must be doing some damage. The calorie deficit has been extremely tough on intensity though so I’m just now finding it coming back with the PEDs added.

 

[EvoNexus]

awesome post thank you for sharing @Deepestsouthgainz start by adding pics of you face blurred so we can see your base, we need to know your base to really understand you.

100% this from Lev pics (face blurred) + weekly check-ins makes it way easier for everyone to help u out. @Deepestsouthgainz also respect for being honest about the long deficit… no wonder training’s been feeling beat up. u tracking sleep/BP at all while you’re running all this stuff?

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Thanks mate, yes sleep and BP are reasonable. I’m going to get my own bp device soon. Will have some more updates on the log shortly . Cheers

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks mate, yes sleep and BP are reasonable. I’m going to get my own bp device soon. Will have some more updates on the log shortly . Cheers

lets get a BP device will help

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Log update

Been about 2 weeks on test now and it seems like playing the waiting game. However I'm trying to really dial in other factors in the mean time.

The diet has really stalled out and I just cant seem to fathom it, calories have been almost too low and I have struggled to get in even the 2000 due to the crazy apatite suppression I get from the Reta. Have decided to drop it for a while and bring the calories up to 2200. Have also started back at work now and need all the energy I can muster so will just have to burn more and eat a bit more while still maintaining a deficit. If I look at the scale it hasn't moved in 6 weeks, in fact has gone up 2kg in the last week but I think this is a bit of water retention from the test.

E2 has definitely been running a bit high as i have noticed through the water weight and puffy nips. I'm pinning daily and using .25mg arimidex now just on demand when I feel I need it (probably every second day). Its surprised me a bit as I didn't plan on introducing it until raising the test dose and its why I really want to get that BF down asap. I have heard that the E2 may settle down a bit when my natural production falls off.

I want to wait a few more weeks until steady state levels before getting bloods done as I feel there's still too much in flux to get anything meaningful from a blood test at this point. It does make me wonder if I should run some primo or mast when I raise the test for estrogen control rather than rely on the ai all the time.

Training has not been great unfortunately, which I really attribute to the low calories and hope to see some better performance as I improve this. It does mean that I will remain in an indefinite cut until I reach the required BF. I might have to start looking at the chicken, rice and broccoli diet soon as I think that I can get more bang for my buck out of this protein and energy wise than simply adding fat burning compounds or more Reta to my current diet. Really cant tolerate much of the stuff (Reta), just completely crushes apatite and energy.

I was really hoping for some better recovery from work as a added benefit to the (TRT) cycle. I just find that I'm a wreck after work and no good to anyone. One of the reasons for going down this path in the first place was my interest in TRT. While on paper I have good T levels (600) with free test in range. I've felt for a long time all the symptoms of what others describe as low T. I'm really hoping that I feel better on the low dose part of my cycle and in doing so will probably decide to stay on TRT afterwards instead of a brutal PCT only to feel like shit again. I have been struggling with this question for ages. On the one hand many people will say that TRT is only for people who are clinically low, which has made it really hard for me to justify the decision. But honestly, all I can say is if the results speak for themselves and I have great improvements in energy, recovery, motivation then how can I argue with that. and at 40 I'm sure that my levels will only go south eventually. I definitely plan on continuing in the gym for the rest of my life and would like to run further cycles so it seems that it might be TRT for the long term.

On another note, I have been listening to the Evo podcast most days at work and really loving it. Really gives a personal insight into the members and their logs. Great community and support from the members.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

 

[LevButlerov]

Log update

Been about 2 weeks on test now and it seems like playing the waiting game. However I'm trying to really dial in other factors in the mean time.

The diet has really stalled out and I just cant seem to fathom it, calories have been almost too low and I have struggled to get in even the 2000 due to the crazy apatite suppression I get from the Reta. Have decided to drop it for a while and bring the calories up to 2200. Have also started back at work now and need all the energy I can muster so will just have to burn more and eat a bit more while still maintaining a deficit. If I look at the scale it hasn't moved in 6 weeks, in fact has gone up 2kg in the last week but I think this is a bit of water retention from the test.

E2 has definitely been running a bit high as i have noticed through the water weight and puffy nips. I'm pinning daily and using .25mg arimidex now just on demand when I feel I need it (probably every second day). Its surprised me a bit as I didn't plan on introducing it until raising the test dose and its why I really want to get that BF down asap. I have heard that the E2 may settle down a bit when my natural production falls off.

I want to wait a few more weeks until steady state levels before getting bloods done as I feel there's still too much in flux to get anything meaningful from a blood test at this point. It does make me wonder if I should run some primo or mast when I raise the test for estrogen control rather than rely on the ai all the time.

Training has not been great unfortunately, which I really attribute to the low calories and hope to see some better performance as I improve this. It does mean that I will remain in an indefinite cut until I reach the required BF. I might have to start looking at the chicken, rice and broccoli diet soon as I think that I can get more bang for my buck out of this protein and energy wise than simply adding fat burning compounds or more Reta to my current diet. Really cant tolerate much of the stuff (Reta), just completely crushes apatite and energy.

I was really hoping for some better recovery from work as a added benefit to the (TRT) cycle. I just find that I'm a wreck after work and no good to anyone. One of the reasons for going down this path in the first place was my interest in TRT. While on paper I have good T levels (600) with free test in range. I've felt for a long time all the symptoms of what others describe as low T. I'm really hoping that I feel better on the low dose part of my cycle and in doing so will probably decide to stay on TRT afterwards instead of a brutal PCT only to feel like shit again. I have been struggling with this question for ages. On the one hand many people will say that TRT is only for people who are clinically low, which has made it really hard for me to justify the decision. But honestly, all I can say is if the results speak for themselves and I have great improvements in energy, recovery, motivation then how can I argue with that. and at 40 I'm sure that my levels will only go south eventually. I definitely plan on continuing in the gym for the rest of my life and would like to run further cycles so it seems that it might be TRT for the long term.

On another note, I have been listening to the Evo podcast most days at work and really loving it. Really gives a personal insight into the members and their logs. Great community and support from the members.

diet stalled how? do you track macros ? post them up plase
and the e2 you shouldnt guess, can you get some testing done please? @Deepestsouthgainz

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you're looking good in the pic nice size

 

[stevesmi]

Log update

Been about 2 weeks on test now and it seems like playing the waiting game. However I'm trying to really dial in other factors in the mean time.

The diet has really stalled out and I just cant seem to fathom it, calories have been almost too low and I have struggled to get in even the 2000 due to the crazy apatite suppression I get from the Reta. Have decided to drop it for a while and bring the calories up to 2200. Have also started back at work now and need all the energy I can muster so will just have to burn more and eat a bit more while still maintaining a deficit. If I look at the scale it hasn't moved in 6 weeks, in fact has gone up 2kg in the last week but I think this is a bit of water retention from the test.

E2 has definitely been running a bit high as i have noticed through the water weight and puffy nips. I'm pinning daily and using .25mg arimidex now just on demand when I feel I need it (probably every second day). Its surprised me a bit as I didn't plan on introducing it until raising the test dose and its why I really want to get that BF down asap. I have heard that the E2 may settle down a bit when my natural production falls off.

I want to wait a few more weeks until steady state levels before getting bloods done as I feel there's still too much in flux to get anything meaningful from a blood test at this point. It does make me wonder if I should run some primo or mast when I raise the test for estrogen control rather than rely on the ai all the time.

Training has not been great unfortunately, which I really attribute to the low calories and hope to see some better performance as I improve this. It does mean that I will remain in an indefinite cut until I reach the required BF. I might have to start looking at the chicken, rice and broccoli diet soon as I think that I can get more bang for my buck out of this protein and energy wise than simply adding fat burning compounds or more Reta to my current diet. Really cant tolerate much of the stuff (Reta), just completely crushes apatite and energy.

I was really hoping for some better recovery from work as a added benefit to the (TRT) cycle. I just find that I'm a wreck after work and no good to anyone. One of the reasons for going down this path in the first place was my interest in TRT. While on paper I have good T levels (600) with free test in range. I've felt for a long time all the symptoms of what others describe as low T. I'm really hoping that I feel better on the low dose part of my cycle and in doing so will probably decide to stay on TRT afterwards instead of a brutal PCT only to feel like shit again. I have been struggling with this question for ages. On the one hand many people will say that TRT is only for people who are clinically low, which has made it really hard for me to justify the decision. But honestly, all I can say is if the results speak for themselves and I have great improvements in energy, recovery, motivation then how can I argue with that. and at 40 I'm sure that my levels will only go south eventually. I definitely plan on continuing in the gym for the rest of my life and would like to run further cycles so it seems that it might be TRT for the long term.

On another note, I have been listening to the Evo podcast most days at work and really loving it. Really gives a personal insight into the members and their logs. Great community and support from the members.

@Deepestsouthgainz over time the appetite suppression will balance itself out. Your metabolism will really speed up and you'll have an appetite come back. It just depends on the dosage.

 

[2Thick]

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You're coming into your own on this one and it's very early. We want to see you continue to build muscle and lose body fat. You're gonna look great. @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[Ulter]

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You're not gonna go wrong on this man. You're looking fantastic if you ask me. Keep up the good work. @Deepestsouthgainz You have room to improve but you have a good base

 

[ROIDDERS]

@Deepestsouthgainz you definitely don't want to end up with gyno issues so it's really good to get your estrogen under control. I would definitely be using aromasin and have some letro on hand.

Log update

Been about 2 weeks on test now and it seems like playing the waiting game. However I'm trying to really dial in other factors in the mean time.

The diet has really stalled out and I just cant seem to fathom it, calories have been almost too low and I have struggled to get in even the 2000 due to the crazy apatite suppression I get from the Reta. Have decided to drop it for a while and bring the calories up to 2200. Have also started back at work now and need all the energy I can muster so will just have to burn more and eat a bit more while still maintaining a deficit. If I look at the scale it hasn't moved in 6 weeks, in fact has gone up 2kg in the last week but I think this is a bit of water retention from the test.

E2 has definitely been running a bit high as i have noticed through the water weight and puffy nips. I'm pinning daily and using .25mg arimidex now just on demand when I feel I need it (probably every second day). Its surprised me a bit as I didn't plan on introducing it until raising the test dose and its why I really want to get that BF down asap. I have heard that the E2 may settle down a bit when my natural production falls off.

I want to wait a few more weeks until steady state levels before getting bloods done as I feel there's still too much in flux to get anything meaningful from a blood test at this point. It does make me wonder if I should run some primo or mast when I raise the test for estrogen control rather than rely on the ai all the time.

Training has not been great unfortunately, which I really attribute to the low calories and hope to see some better performance as I improve this. It does mean that I will remain in an indefinite cut until I reach the required BF. I might have to start looking at the chicken, rice and broccoli diet soon as I think that I can get more bang for my buck out of this protein and energy wise than simply adding fat burning compounds or more Reta to my current diet. Really cant tolerate much of the stuff (Reta), just completely crushes apatite and energy.

I was really hoping for some better recovery from work as a added benefit to the (TRT) cycle. I just find that I'm a wreck after work and no good to anyone. One of the reasons for going down this path in the first place was my interest in TRT. While on paper I have good T levels (600) with free test in range. I've felt for a long time all the symptoms of what others describe as low T. I'm really hoping that I feel better on the low dose part of my cycle and in doing so will probably decide to stay on TRT afterwards instead of a brutal PCT only to feel like shit again. I have been struggling with this question for ages. On the one hand many people will say that TRT is only for people who are clinically low, which has made it really hard for me to justify the decision. But honestly, all I can say is if the results speak for themselves and I have great improvements in energy, recovery, motivation then how can I argue with that. and at 40 I'm sure that my levels will only go south eventually. I definitely plan on continuing in the gym for the rest of my life and would like to run further cycles so it seems that it might be TRT for the long term.

On another note, I have been listening to the Evo podcast most days at work and really loving it. Really gives a personal insight into the members and their logs. Great community and support from the members.

 

[ceo]

Log update

Been about 2 weeks on test now and it seems like playing the waiting game. However I'm trying to really dial in other factors in the mean time.

The diet has really stalled out and I just cant seem to fathom it, calories have been almost too low and I have struggled to get in even the 2000 due to the crazy apatite suppression I get from the Reta. Have decided to drop it for a while and bring the calories up to 2200. Have also started back at work now and need all the energy I can muster so will just have to burn more and eat a bit more while still maintaining a deficit. If I look at the scale it hasn't moved in 6 weeks, in fact has gone up 2kg in the last week but I think this is a bit of water retention from the test.

E2 has definitely been running a bit high as i have noticed through the water weight and puffy nips. I'm pinning daily and using .25mg arimidex now just on demand when I feel I need it (probably every second day). Its surprised me a bit as I didn't plan on introducing it until raising the test dose and its why I really want to get that BF down asap. I have heard that the E2 may settle down a bit when my natural production falls off.

I want to wait a few more weeks until steady state levels before getting bloods done as I feel there's still too much in flux to get anything meaningful from a blood test at this point. It does make me wonder if I should run some primo or mast when I raise the test for estrogen control rather than rely on the ai all the time.

Training has not been great unfortunately, which I really attribute to the low calories and hope to see some better performance as I improve this. It does mean that I will remain in an indefinite cut until I reach the required BF. I might have to start looking at the chicken, rice and broccoli diet soon as I think that I can get more bang for my buck out of this protein and energy wise than simply adding fat burning compounds or more Reta to my current diet. Really cant tolerate much of the stuff (Reta), just completely crushes apatite and energy.

I was really hoping for some better recovery from work as a added benefit to the (TRT) cycle. I just find that I'm a wreck after work and no good to anyone. One of the reasons for going down this path in the first place was my interest in TRT. While on paper I have good T levels (600) with free test in range. I've felt for a long time all the symptoms of what others describe as low T. I'm really hoping that I feel better on the low dose part of my cycle and in doing so will probably decide to stay on TRT afterwards instead of a brutal PCT only to feel like shit again. I have been struggling with this question for ages. On the one hand many people will say that TRT is only for people who are clinically low, which has made it really hard for me to justify the decision. But honestly, all I can say is if the results speak for themselves and I have great improvements in energy, recovery, motivation then how can I argue with that. and at 40 I'm sure that my levels will only go south eventually. I definitely plan on continuing in the gym for the rest of my life and would like to run further cycles so it seems that it might be TRT for the long term.

On another note, I have been listening to the Evo podcast most days at work and really loving it. Really gives a personal insight into the members and their logs. Great community and support from the members.

Bros, overall looking really good on this update. We just got to work on some things, starting with the estrogen. We never want estrogen and water retention out of control. @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[Mobster]

You're keep an eye on things and aware of the tweaks which are needed. Good job

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

diet stalled how? do you track macros ? post them up plase
and the e2 you shouldnt guess, can you get some testing done please? @Deepestsouthgainz

you're looking good in the pic nice size

Thanks Lev, yeah i think its time for some bloodwork. Tracking macros tightly, will post them.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

@Deepestsouthgainz you definitely don't want to end up with gyno issues so it's really good to get your estrogen under control. I would definitely be using aromasin and have some letro on hand.

Yes i seem to have it under control now with a conservative dose of Arimidex. Was just surprised to need it so early on. I have Letrozole but too scared to touch the stuff. Heard its pretty easy to crash estrogen with it.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Bros, overall looking really good on this update. We just got to work on some things, starting with the estrogen. We never want estrogen and water retention out of control. @Deepestsouthgainz

Thanks mate, i seem to have a handle on the E2 now.

 

[ceo]

Thanks mate, i seem to have a handle on the E2 now.

Bros, yeah, definitely always keep AI on hand.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Yes i seem to have it under control now with a conservative dose of Arimidex. Was just surprised to need it so early on. I have Letrozole but too scared to touch the stuff. Heard its pretty easy to crash estrogen with it.

Sometimes people can be extremely estrogen-prone.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks Lev, yeah i think its time for some bloodwork. Tracking macros tightly, will post them.

will be waiting

 

[ballin2504]

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@Deepestsouthgainz your looking like you’re making good gains man that Reta def will suppress your appetite big time.

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Had some blood work done and quite a surprise.

Test was relatively low considering dose of 200mg per week. and really haven't felt much from it yet in the gym other than the insane morning wood.

So turns out I made the classic mistake and used Arimidex before my bloodwork and crashed my E2 pretty low. The worst part is that i was well aware of this possibility and did it anyways. Kicking myself for being a moron and panicking at the site of slightly puffy nipples. Luckily still in range and will probably go up soon since i have dropped the AI.

Lipids are in a bad place, which they have been my whole life. Its definitely a genetic thing for me. Definitely going to have to change the diet up a bit and add some supplements to try and get a better profile. On the one hand, there's been a lot of debunking of the cholesterol/ heart health hypothesis and I largely believe that we have had it wrong for years to simply say HDL good, LDL bad. It seems there's a lot more nuance to the whole thing. On the other hand, my lipids definitely need some attention. Tough to know how concerned to be about it.

Everything else pretty much in check. Would like to raise the test dose up a bit to start seeing some benefits in the gym, maybe im just being impatient.

 

[LevButlerov]

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Had some blood work done and quite a surprise.

Test was relatively low considering dose of 200mg per week. and really haven't felt much from it yet in the gym other than the insane morning wood.

So turns out I made the classic mistake and used Arimidex before my bloodwork and crashed my E2 pretty low. The worst part is that i was well aware of this possibility and did it anyways. Kicking myself for being a moron and panicking at the site of slightly puffy nipples. Luckily still in range and will probably go up soon since i have dropped the AI.

Lipids are in a bad place, which they have been my whole life. Its definitely a genetic thing for me. Definitely going to have to change the diet up a bit and add some supplements to try and get a better profile. On the one hand, there's been a lot of debunking of the cholesterol/ heart health hypothesis and I largely believe that we have had it wrong for years to simply say HDL good, LDL bad. It seems there's a lot more nuance to the whole thing. On the other hand, my lipids definitely need some attention. Tough to know how concerned to be about it.

Everything else pretty much in check. Would like to raise the test dose up a bit to start seeing some benefits in the gym, maybe im just being impatient.

You have very low estrogen and low testosterone? what brand of test you using and how much arimidex? @Deepestsouthgainz

 

[Deepestsouthgainz]

Yes, the estrogen should come right now that I dropped the arimidex . Was using .25mg eod. I thought test would be higher even at only 200mg per week. Was using Ausstar but since switched to Ultima Enanthate from here on out.

 

[HarleyGuy]

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Nice work posting bloods bro. 200mg Test should have that above 29.0 above range though (usually). When was your last shot before bloods? It might be underdosed too?

Good idea dropping the Adex too bro.

The veterans all seem very helpful and non judgmental.

No judgement here when honesty is what's broadcasted brother. You have a great honest log here just need some more updates about food sources and macros etc, I'd love to follow along with even more detail you have a great base physique! Nice work.

Will be following!