Approved Log My PCT and Fertility Recovery log

[Chowmanly]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

 

[LevButlerov]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

good log start @Chowmanly can you please share some pics of you face blurred so we can see your base and understand you and approve your log

 

[Chowmanly]

Sure here it is.
Early progress and one in my most desired shape.
I’m 175cm (5’9”) and 82kg (180lbs) now.

 

[RickRock]

Best of luck to you brother. Hope you are able to recover and able to get your fertility to a level that you and your lady are successful in pregnancy

 

[Chowmanly]

Week 9 Update

Feeling much better overall. Training feels natural again, I’m not forcing myself to get to the gym and actually enjoy the workouts. The 0.125 mg anastrozole seems to have helped.

Enclomiphene is driving total testosterone quite high, and SHBG has increased alongside it. E2 is controlled. Free testosterone is in a good range, though relative to total T I’d prefer it a bit higher.

After adding HCG, LH decreased from 7 to 5.5 IU/L. FSH improved slightly from 4.0 to 4.6 IU/L with the addition of HMG - was expecting better.

LDL cholesterol ticked higher and is now above range, also globulin and total protein results came in out of range, wasn’t expecting that.

Planned adjustments:

• Drop HCG entirely
• Continue HMG or possibly increase to 150iu x3 week
• Reduce enclomiphene to 25 mg EOD or 12.5 mg daily
• Reduce anastrozole to once every 10 days
• Increase boron to 10mg/day

Question: Would adding Proviron be worthwhile to lower SHBG further without affecting fertility?

 

[LevButlerov]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

Sure here it is.
Early progress and one in my most desired shape.
I’m 175cm (5’9”) and 82kg (180lbs) now.

Week 9 Update

Feeling much better overall. Training feels natural again, I’m not forcing myself to get to the gym and actually enjoy the workouts. The 0.125 mg anastrozole seems to have helped.

Enclomiphene is driving total testosterone quite high, and SHBG has increased alongside it. E2 is controlled. Free testosterone is in a good range, though relative to total T I’d prefer it a bit higher.

After adding HCG, LH decreased from 7 to 5.5 IU/L. FSH improved slightly from 4.0 to 4.6 IU/L with the addition of HMG - was expecting better.

LDL cholesterol ticked higher and is now above range, also globulin and total protein results came in out of range, wasn’t expecting that.

Planned adjustments:

• Drop HCG entirely
• Continue HMG or possibly increase to 150iu x3 week
• Reduce enclomiphene to 25 mg EOD or 12.5 mg daily
• Reduce anastrozole to once every 10 days
• Increase boron to 10mg/day

Question: Would adding Proviron be worthwhile to lower SHBG further without affecting fertility?

now fully welcome to the EVO family @Chowmanly I hope we can push this forward and get you to recover nicely.

You are on the right track because I see LH and fsh improving slowly. Though I would tell you this, it takes time long term.
have you considered adding HGH? ED

I would not add proviron while trying to conceive and I would stop chasing SHBG when free T is already in range.
and if libido and ejaculation are still off look closer at stress and the stimulant and get prolactin and thyroid checked while you keep e2 controlled not crushed.

Keep training 3-4 days weekly with heavy movements and do not bury yourself with jiu jitsu and extra cardio right now, you need more recovery, would love to see more training info from you.
I would get food tracked closely to make sure fats are high, omega 3, healthy saturated help with recover.

 

[Chowmanly]

now fully welcome to the EVO family @Chowmanly I hope we can push this forward and get you to recover nicely.

You are on the right track because I see LH and fsh improving slowly. Though I would tell you this, it takes time long term.
have you considered adding HGH? ED

I would not add proviron while trying to conceive and I would stop chasing SHBG when free T is already in range.
and if libido and ejaculation are still off look closer at stress and the stimulant and get prolactin and thyroid checked while you keep e2 controlled not crushed.

Keep training 3-4 days weekly with heavy movements and do not bury yourself with jiu jitsu and extra cardio right now, you need more recovery, would love to see more training info from you.
I would get food tracked closely to make sure fats are high, omega 3, healthy saturated help with recover.

Thank you. Great input there.
I have not considered hgh, is there an advantage to add to a fertility protocol? If yes what dosage?
Yes, stress has been a big factor recently as I have a lot going on. I’ll look at prolactin, I still have some caber on hand if needed.
Not going crazy, but I need jiu Jitsu to keep me sane.

 

[Mobster]

Have a look at the two or three fertility logs we have here right now

 

[stevesmi]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

@Chowmanly all right my man, let's see what can happen on this one with this type of setup. I'm definitely with you on the Clomid. It's been shown in studies to definitely be great for fertility but I'm always skeptical of HCG and HMG. so lets see what happens here

 

[Chowmanly]

@Chowmanly all right my man, let's see what can happen on this one with this type of setup. I'm definitely with you on the Clomid. It's been shown in studies to definitely be great for fertility but I'm always skeptical of HCG and HMG. so lets see what happens here

What do you say keep enclo 12.5mg/day and drop hcg+hmg? (I don’t even feel good on them)

 

[ceo]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

Bros, I'm looking forward to seeing you get your fertility back up. That's going to be good. Make sure that you load up on the supplements as well. @Chowmanly

 

[Ulter]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

Going to be a challenge to recover if you've been basically on for two straight years. @Chowmanly but it will be a good challenge and I'm sure you're up to doing what you need to do.

 

[stevesmi]

What do you say keep enclo 12.5mg/day and drop hcg+hmg? (I don’t even feel good on them)

Clomid and vitamin E. And natural test boosters. And no hormones
That’s my fertility layout

 

[2Thick]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

@Chowmanly this is a really good setup. It may work, and it may not work. One thing about fertility is it's very unpredictable.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Been on TRT + moderate blasts over the last 2 years, now trying to recover fertility. I’m 39 and so is my missus, so it has to happen soon.

I did basically two years on TRT with some mild blasts in between — nothing crazy, mainly masteron and oxandrolone — and never went above 200 mg test per week, with fantastic results.

Last pin was on 15/12, so I’ve just gone into week 9.
PCT consisted of two weeks of high-dose HCG followed by clomiphene 50 mg (it sucked hard — clomiphene is brutal). I managed to get some enclomiphene and have been on 25 mg for the past two weeks.

First blood test at week 3 showed total test and free test below reference, SHBG high, and LH/FSH very low. Once clomiphene kicked in, total test went through the roof, but free test didn’t follow because E2 and SHBG shot up. LH improved further, but FSH has been lagging.

Semen analysis at week 6 showed low count (1.2 million), but other parameters were just above range. I’ve since added HMG at 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week, and I’m maintaining clomiphene for now. I’m also running plenty of ancillaries and supplements to support things — probably overkill.

Overall, it seems like I’m on the right path, but I’m finding it challenging to ejaculate, which has never been an issue in my life. Libido hasn’t fully recovered either, so it’s hard to perform when needed, but I’ve been managing it. I know I need to get SHBG down to bring free test back up. I’ve been on boron 5 mg daily and had bloods done today to see if it’s helping and whether enclomiphene is making a difference (it certainly helped with mood already), also started very low dose anastrozole at 0.125mg pw.

I really sympathized with @CypherOCE log — anxiety plays a big part during PCT, especially with the pressure of trying to conceive. I’m wondering whether I should go back on low-dose TRT and increase HMG and HCG, following his path, or continue on this current journey. I want to get a baby on the way, then It’ll be blast and cruise for life. I understand spermatogenesis hasn’t fully matured yet, so another semen analysis is due mid-March.

I also had an endocrinologist prescribe Proviron at 50 mg daily during PCT, as he said it can help with sperm morphology. I understand it’ll help libido and probably tank SHBG, freeing up more testosterone, but from what I’ve gathered it may work against fertility. I only took it for the first three weeks of PCT, then stopped (had a great time while on it, haha).

His protocol was clomiphene 50 mg daily, HCG 2,500 IU twice weekly, and Proviron 50 mg split AM/PM — continue until pregnancy occurs.

I’ve attached blood results for weeks 3, 5, and 7, plus the semen analysis.

Currently on:

Glutathione (reduced form) 500mg
Lisdexamphetamine 30mg/day
Coq10 300mg
Vit D 3000iu
Vit k2 100mcg
Tadalafil 5mg
Zinc glycinate 40mg
Long jack 1000mg
Activated b12 1.2mg
Spirulina + chlorella
Vit C 2000mg
Creatine HCL 750mg
Acetyl Carnitine 2g
L-citrulline 5g
Boron citrate 5mg
Beta alanine (pre train)
L-glutamine (post)
Vit E 500iu
Selenium 150mcg
L-theanine 200mg
Magnesium glycinate 300mg
NAC 600mg
Glycine 4g
Melatonin 5mg
L-tyrosine 500mg
Alpha gpc 300mg
Curcumin 600mg
L-carnitine injectable 360mg ed
Taurine 1g
Electrolytes daily

Recently added:
Methyl folate 500mcg
Asthaxantin 12mg
Black maca 1500mg
Anastrozole 0.125mg/week

I won’t post my diet as I kept reading that I should have good calorie intake at this time so I just eat whatever but avoid fried food and sweets. Loads of protein and carbs + healthy fats.

Stats
39yo
82kg
Circa 15-18% BF

Since the start of PCT going to the gym is a challenge but I still rock up 4 times a week + 2 days cardio (jiu Jitsu, surfing, bike riding) and a full day rest.
Have gone back to the very simple 3/4 sets while increasing weight. 2-3 exercises per muscle split into.
Chest + tris
Back + bis
Shoulder + leg

Have recently started to gain muscle again after losing heaps during early pct days.

To summarize:

Last pin of test cyp 15/12/25

Week 1-2:
2500 hcg mon/thu
Proviron 50mg split am/pm

Week 3-6
Clomiphene 50mg ed

Week 6-9 (now)
Enclomiphene 25mg ed
Hcg 250 iu x3/week
Hmg 75 iu x3/week

Thinking to drop hcg as it spikes my e2 and makes my nuts sore.

I’m hoping this log can serve as a guide for people going through a similar scenario and will update as needed.

You can certainly run this, but it's important to get your sperm tested. I would get your sperm tested before, during, and then keep testing it and seeing what kind of progress you get. It's a numbers game. @Chowmanly

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you. Great input there.
I have not considered hgh, is there an advantage to add to a fertility protocol? If yes what dosage?
Yes, stress has been a big factor recently as I have a lot going on. I’ll look at prolactin, I still have some caber on hand if needed.
Not going crazy, but I need jiu Jitsu to keep me sane.

It would help with keeping muscle and recovery as your body goes through hormonal swings with this fertility plan. I found hgh helps a lot.

Lets get your training updated more and food as well. @Chowmanly

 

[Chowmanly]

Thank you all for the feedback.

This week has been one of the hardest, my libido has completely tanked again. I just saw a specialist focused on male fertility. He reassured me that I’m on the right track. His advice was to increase HCG to 1000 IU 3x/week, HMG to 150 IU 3x/week, and reduce Enclomiphene to 12.5 mg ED.
At this dosage point, I feel like I could just go back to low-dose TRT and eventually be successful, but he strongly advised against it, so I’ll hold course for now. I was also referred to an IVF clinic for additional support.

Training and nutrition feel secondary at the moment, though my discipline keeps me on track. People keep telling me I still look good, I just don’t feel that way.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thank you all for the feedback.

This week has been one of the hardest, my libido has completely tanked again. I just saw a specialist focused on male fertility. He reassured me that I’m on the right track. His advice was to increase HCG to 1000 IU 3x/week, HMG to 150 IU 3x/week, and reduce Enclomiphene to 12.5 mg ED.
At this dosage point, I feel like I could just go back to low-dose TRT and eventually be successful, but he strongly advised against it, so I’ll hold course for now. I was also referred to an IVF clinic for additional support.

Training and nutrition feel secondary at the moment, though my discipline keeps me on track. People keep telling me I still look good, I just don’t feel that way.

Libido will tank, this is why I was suggesting TRT light with these recovery stacks. You're likely HIGH e2 big time with this, super emotional @Chowmanly

 

[Chowmanly]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

 

[LevButlerov]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

These are decent bloods for PCT @Chowmanly but libido wont recover for sometime.
i would drop the hcg/hmg within a week. And your e2 is high get some aromasin light dose.

 

[Mobster]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

Some users of PEDs have symptoms of anxiety which is, in fact, the hormones

 

[stevesmi]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

@Chowmanly thanks for this update man. It is what it is. Hopefully this protocol can somehow pay off for you and the sperm count gets improved.

 

[ceo]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

Bros, heck yeah! This one is looking good. Hopefully you get some nice sperm going. Let us know how it goes. @Chowmanly

 

[Ulter]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

Man, that is definitely tough with the libido and anxiety issues. @Chowmanly I know all about it man. Just keep training and hopefully you feel better.

 

[ROIDDERS]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

@Chowmanly keep up the good work boss. I got a lot of respect for this. You got to love the attitude as well. You're never going to accomplish what you want with a negative mentality so you're going to try what you're going to do and hopefully it works out well for you.

 

[2Thick]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

Really nice update man. It's good to see how you manage each thing and how you have to time everything. It just goes to show you how it's not an exact science but you have to really try different things to get this done. @Chowmanly

 

[ballin2504]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

@Chowmanly nice update on the bloods. Way to keep track of them.

 

[bss]

Quick update, week 11 blood tests.
Total test remains way above physiologic level so I have decided to stop Enclomiphene from today. SHBG and e2 persistently high, free test mid range. FSH and LH are in great range for fertility. Prolactin in range. TSH normal.
Will be maintaining HCG at 250 iu and HMG 75 iu at 3x week. Next sperm test due mid march, this will be key. Missus is about to get her period so I have a shot at it in early March.
I feel strong and am gaining muscle again, libido fluctuates probably a 3/10, some anxiety issues lingering that I hope it’ll go away soon.

Thats all tracking in the right direction brother, WD!

 

[Chowmanly]

Bloods and my 2nd semen analysis were done this week.
The blood results were a bit all over the place, high cholesterol, some liver markers off, and ferritin was abnormal so it’ll need to be retested. On the positive side, I’m happy that E2 is behaving well without any AI. I’m getting frustrated with the persistently high SHBG though, I expected it to drop weeks after stopping clomiphene/enclo completely, but it’s still keeping my free T in the mid-range while total T sits just above reference.
FSH and LH are down significantly compared to previous labs, which could be from the HMG/HCG masking the real results or from stopping enclomiphene. Subjectively, I actually feel much better now.
Currently running HMG 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week. Libido is around 6/10.
Semen results look good — count at 26 million with normal parameters — so I’m fertile again 13 weeks after my last pin.
This coming week is crucial, so fingers crossed I perform when it matters and on the right days
I’ll be increasing to HMG 75 IU EOD and HCG 500 IU EOD. No major changes to training for now, just pushing cardio slightly.

 

[LevButlerov]

Bloods and my 2nd semen analysis were done this week.
The blood results were a bit all over the place, high cholesterol, some liver markers off, and ferritin was abnormal so it’ll need to be retested. On the positive side, I’m happy that E2 is behaving well without any AI. I’m getting frustrated with the persistently high SHBG though, I expected it to drop weeks after stopping clomiphene/enclo completely, but it’s still keeping my free T in the mid-range while total T sits just above reference.
FSH and LH are down significantly compared to previous labs, which could be from the HMG/HCG masking the real results or from stopping enclomiphene. Subjectively, I actually feel much better now.
Currently running HMG 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week. Libido is around 6/10.
Semen results look good — count at 26 million with normal parameters — so I’m fertile again 13 weeks after my last pin.
This coming week is crucial, so fingers crossed I perform when it matters and on the right days
I’ll be increasing to HMG 75 IU EOD and HCG 500 IU EOD. No major changes to training for now, just pushing cardio slightly.

the blood work is actually good but you should add some hgh to your ED as you are coming off with all this recovery @Chowmanly
high shbg is usually due to the high test, its binding to it

can you start updating some training food for us we are interested

@BeMe @HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @Dreamer @Freki
@waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67 @codezz @Yuri
@MarkNV @rizzlekdizzle @Grumpy @Shakey @Eveflorence @LH5515

 

[Grumpy]

Bloods dont look to bad the hmg and hcg should gets things going

 

[HarleyGuy]

Bloods and my 2nd semen analysis were done this week.
The blood results were a bit all over the place, high cholesterol, some liver markers off, and ferritin was abnormal so it’ll need to be retested. On the positive side, I’m happy that E2 is behaving well without any AI. I’m getting frustrated with the persistently high SHBG though, I expected it to drop weeks after stopping clomiphene/enclo completely, but it’s still keeping my free T in the mid-range while total T sits just above reference.
FSH and LH are down significantly compared to previous labs, which could be from the HMG/HCG masking the real results or from stopping enclomiphene. Subjectively, I actually feel much better now.
Currently running HMG 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week. Libido is around 6/10.
Semen results look good — count at 26 million with normal parameters — so I’m fertile again 13 weeks after my last pin.
This coming week is crucial, so fingers crossed I perform when it matters and on the right days
I’ll be increasing to HMG 75 IU EOD and HCG 500 IU EOD. No major changes to training for now, just pushing cardio slightly.

This is an excellent fertility and bloodwork log bro. Bloods look better too.

We had a successful fertility log from @CypherOCE here Operation Baby Cypher Fertility Log

As for the SHBG have you looked into proviron? I can't see it contraindicating with anything at the moment but I'd look into it as it is touted as an excellent SHBG reduction med.

 

[CypherOCE]

Bloods and my 2nd semen analysis were done this week.
The blood results were a bit all over the place, high cholesterol, some liver markers off, and ferritin was abnormal so it’ll need to be retested. On the positive side, I’m happy that E2 is behaving well without any AI. I’m getting frustrated with the persistently high SHBG though, I expected it to drop weeks after stopping clomiphene/enclo completely, but it’s still keeping my free T in the mid-range while total T sits just above reference.
FSH and LH are down significantly compared to previous labs, which could be from the HMG/HCG masking the real results or from stopping enclomiphene. Subjectively, I actually feel much better now.
Currently running HMG 75 IU three times per week and HCG 250 IU three times per week. Libido is around 6/10.
Semen results look good — count at 26 million with normal parameters — so I’m fertile again 13 weeks after my last pin.
This coming week is crucial, so fingers crossed I perform when it matters and on the right days
I’ll be increasing to HMG 75 IU EOD and HCG 500 IU EOD. No major changes to training for now, just pushing cardio slightly.

Definitely look into proviron as @HarleyGuy mentioned, ideally want to half that amount or get it to 20s. 25mg AM & PM should suffice. Everything else looks like it has improved! Beautiful

 

[Chowmanly]

This is an excellent fertility and bloodwork log bro. Bloods look better too.

We had a successful fertility log from @CypherOCE here Operation Baby Cypher Fertility Log

As for the SHBG have you looked into proviron? I can't see it contraindicating with anything at the moment but I'd look into it as it is touted as an excellent SHBG reduction med.

Yes and I have it on hand. Some mixed advice Re proviron and fertility hence why I am hesitant. Older studies suggest proviron helps with fertility but newer studies have debunked it. I can’t for the life of me get SHBG down so I will give it a crack.

 

[Chowmanly]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on

 

[CypherOCE]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

Fuck yeah! Congrats bro

 

[LevButlerov]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

good bloods overall and happy to see your lady pregnant EVO family support your way! @Chowmanly

 

[stevesmi]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

@Chowmanly nice man. I'm glad that you are able to grow your family and you're happy with that.

 

[Noah Wixx]

congrats dude on adding onto the family!

 

[Mobster]

Looks like the missus is pregnant

Great news!!

 

[ROIDDERS]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

Hopefully it's a strong pregnancy and everything goes through perfectly and the baby is healthy and then once that happens you can juice to the gills. @Chowmanly

 

[2Thick]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

Pregnancy test strip is looking really good. @Chowmanly its funny how its hcg lol. but i'm glad you got it positive!

 

[Ulter]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

@Chowmanly congrats on the baby. I remember when my daughter was born. It was a very good day in my life. Hopefully she is good and not like mine when they get older and get rebellious.

 

[ceo]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

Bros, nice, good to see you got the deed done. Hopefully everything turns out good. @Chowmanly

 

[Chowmanly]

@Chowmanly congrats on the baby. I remember when my daughter was born. It was a very good day in my life. Hopefully she is good and not like mine when they get older and get rebellious.

I have a 9yo and she is incredible, I can’t wait to live this all over again.

 

[Chowmanly]

Thanks everyone for the wishes and for following along — it’s been a rocky road.
I’ll stay composed for now, and if everything looks good by week 9, I’ll jump back onto TRT + peptides. Keen to hear any recommendations for peptides that help with GH and mood, thinking of testing that for a bit, maybe even adding Reta. I’m in Australia so local sellers hit me up.
Plan is to be ready to blast around the 12-week mark.
In the meantime, I’ll keep running HCG + HMG as usual and have added Clomid back in at 25mg EOD to see if I can push levels back up. Also strongly considering freezing sperm while things are looking decent.
To my surprise, my HCG + HMG refill just landed as well.
Getting a cortisone injection for my shoulder soon, then back into training with more intensity — not happy with where things are at right now.

 

[LevButlerov]

Thanks everyone for the wishes and for following along — it’s been a rocky road.
I’ll stay composed for now, and if everything looks good by week 9, I’ll jump back onto TRT + peptides. Keen to hear any recommendations for peptides that help with GH and mood, thinking of testing that for a bit, maybe even adding Reta. I’m in Australia so local sellers hit me up.
Plan is to be ready to blast around the 12-week mark.
In the meantime, I’ll keep running HCG + HMG as usual and have added Clomid back in at 25mg EOD to see if I can push levels back up. Also strongly considering freezing sperm while things are looking decent.
To my surprise, my HCG + HMG refill just landed as well.
Getting a cortisone injection for my shoulder soon, then back into training with more intensity — not happy with where things are at right now.

where did you get these touchdowns, what source? @Chowmanly and what country you from?

 

[Chowmanly]

where did you get these touchdowns, what source? @Chowmanly and what country you from?

Australia.
I got those through a gym mate, he won’t disclose the source.

 

[LevButlerov]

Australia.
I got those through a gym mate, he won’t disclose the source.

They look shady tbh

 

[Ulter]

I have a 9yo and she is incredible, I can’t wait to live this all over again.

ah i see. i could only have 1. my ex wife said she wouldn't birth me another one until my temper got better

 

[ballin2504]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

@Chowmanly congrats on the pregnancy. Hope everything goes good brother.

 

[OwEv751]

Two updates.

1: last 2 weeks I felt like absolute shit so pulled bloods (1/4). Results came back and they’re rough, total and free test basically halved. Only real change has been dropping clomid (circa 4 weeks ago) and running HCG + HMG only, so that’s the likely cause. Got all the classic low test symptoms. Started Proviron 2 weeks ago and SHBG already coming down, so that’s a plus. Jumping back on low-dose Clomid (25mg EOD) to try bring levels back up.

2: Looks like the missus is pregnant Still cautious since it’s only home tests, but multiple brands over the last 4 days all with faint lines and now getting darker. Promising. Happy but not getting ahead of myself want to see a heartbeat first. We hit 4/5 days during the ovulation window. Tested at 10 days and nothing. Tested again 2 days later and bingo! line showed. 4w3d today.

If this sticks, I’ll be counting down to getting back on View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471View attachment 211467View attachment 211468View attachment 211469View attachment 211470View attachment 211471

Brother congratulations to you and your missus! Glad things worked out really well!

 

[UnclePoon]

Holy shit brother congratulations!
Just read the whole thread.

As a man who's struggled to achieve fatherhood yet. I felt something reading this tonight.

Happy for you brother

 

[Chowmanly]

Holy shit brother congratulations!
Just read the whole thread.

As a man who's struggled to achieve fatherhood yet. I felt something reading this tonight.

Happy for you brother

Thank you bro.
We are 10 weeks in. NIPT scheduled for this week. Then 12 weeks scan.
If all’s well I’ll be back in the juice.