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Just curious if you guys think i should add in anything on a test/winny cycle? this would probably be my third, but as i have mentioned its been a bit since ive been back in, so when i decide to turn to the drugs, i wanna get the best bang for my buck. dbol? deca? anavar? anything else? or just stick with my original plan?
It's been a while so see how this goes first.
What are the goals for the cycle and what's the deal with winny?
gashred777
Cyborg Humanoid Brother
Some of the compounds you mention do not make any sense with winny. You really need to decide what you are trying to get out of this cycle before you pick compounds for it.
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what are you even trying to accomplish here?? how do we know what to recommend if we dont even know what you want to accomplish???
What are your goals? Deca, dbol, winni, and Var in the same sentence? Depends on goals and I think by your question that you may not have a clear goal set.
Do you want to bulk? Are you ok with some water retention? Do you want to stay dry?
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My apologies for not specifying my goals. i probably should've done that from the get go, and this is my first time back in 24hrs. but after some research, looking a bit here, and a convo with my source i got a good idea on something else to add on in the future. but i think for this cycle im just gonna leave it be, like mobster said
Good man. It'll give you somewhere to go from.
Good deal...
Like I've said before try to get the most you can with the least you can do (i.e. run).
Start simple like you are and work up to other cycles/compounds based on your goals at that time.
OutlawV2
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Keeping it simple always works.
First off diff people have diff reactions to diff compounds. So you won’t know what is working and what isn’t if you add a lot of compounds to a cycle. Start with test. Add an oral cycle 2. Then maybe up the test and choose another injectable to add cycle 3. Like EQ or masteron.
Then cycle 4. Try tren. Simple easy. But it takes time. And blood work.
First off diff people have diff reactions to diff compounds. So you won’t know what is working and what isn’t if you add a lot of compounds to a cycle. Start with test. Add an oral cycle 2. Then maybe up the test and choose another injectable to add cycle 3. Like EQ or masteron.
Then cycle 4. Try tren. Simple easy. But it takes time. And blood work.
Annnndddd, to update my stats.
6'0"
262 lbs. (this is 1 month after i started lifting and using supplements, no gear yet. started at 249lbs)
28% BF
yeah im fat as hell. thats what 10 years of drinking, not lifting, and shit food will do to you. im just glad i decided to make a change now. My goals are to lean out a bit, not anything crazy. i know im not gonna be super ripped after one cycle, and the winstrol may not help me much. its gonna take some time.
to give you an idea of where i was, i was 242 lbs and 16% BF. ive cleaned my diet up quite a bit
6'0"
262 lbs. (this is 1 month after i started lifting and using supplements, no gear yet. started at 249lbs)
28% BF
yeah im fat as hell. thats what 10 years of drinking, not lifting, and shit food will do to you. im just glad i decided to make a change now. My goals are to lean out a bit, not anything crazy. i know im not gonna be super ripped after one cycle, and the winstrol may not help me much. its gonna take some time.
to give you an idea of where i was, i was 242 lbs and 16% BF. ive cleaned my diet up quite a bit
We all need to start somewhere. No need to feel embarrassed.
Looks to me like you have a pretty wide shoulder line so it's gonna look impressive once you put more size on the upper body area.
Yup you’re number one for sure. This tops the what you said earlier. Don’t do steroids if you have to ask something as dumb as this question is. Dbol with winny omfg Jesus
who the fuck said i was running dbol with winny? clearly ive hit a sore spot. dont be mad. just train.
You gotta be kidding right? By the original stupidity of the post I’ll assume not so I’ll now continue to put you on blast for being an arrogant asshole. I’ll quote your original post since you can’t seem to remember what you typed. I’m also going to offer you free advice because clearly you’re misguided. It all comes to you being over weight/fat
1) with you body fat percentage dbol shouldn’t even cross your mind (I’m saying this biting my tongue so you don’t start emotional eating)
2) winny will not make you skinny (reference the theme of point 1)
3) get your diet in check, work out consistently then add testosterone. You have to crawl before you can walk.
Now back to you being and arrogant asshole. You should not be offering opinions that you claim to be factual when you have no knowledge that is validated by your post here. Sure you can lie to try and get people to think you’re not an idiot. Let me just post your original post here that says test winny cycle should I add other stuff first being listed dbol...please learn from this
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Just curious if you guys think i should add in anything on a test/winny cycle? this would probably be my third, but as i have mentioned its been a bit since ive been back in, so when i decide to turn to the drugs, i wanna get the best bang for my buck. dbol? deca? anavar? anything else? or just stick with my original plan?”
yes, well this is all well and good advice, its already been laid out to me by members like mobster and dylan in a previous thread. hence why im waiting at least 6 months to get my base back and see where my body fat is. man you sure put me on blast.
Ive kinda decided to turn this into a log. it will show my transition naturally. then to gear, which will happen eventually. i started about a month ago at a weight of:
250 lbs
72"
BF:unknown @ that time
week 4:
262 lbs (w/ creatine)
still 6'0"
BF:29.8%
Week 5:
257 lbs
BF:28.6%
Goal:
240lbs w/ creatine +/- 230 dry weight.
21%-20% BF
Overall feel stronger. chest was always a weak point even at my best, i will try and focus on building strength there. arms, shoulders, and back have already become exponentially stronger in the month and change since ive started. legs i think i could do better on as far as gains. will continue to put extra effort in to that group as well. today is chest day (maybe tris as well)? i feel like i can add on another 15 lbs of weight to the flat bench
250 lbs
72"
BF:unknown @ that time
week 4:
262 lbs (w/ creatine)
still 6'0"
BF:29.8%
Week 5:
257 lbs
BF:28.6%
Goal:
240lbs w/ creatine +/- 230 dry weight.
21%-20% BF
Overall feel stronger. chest was always a weak point even at my best, i will try and focus on building strength there. arms, shoulders, and back have already become exponentially stronger in the month and change since ive started. legs i think i could do better on as far as gains. will continue to put extra effort in to that group as well. today is chest day (maybe tris as well)? i feel like i can add on another 15 lbs of weight to the flat bench
bro great update...i like the weights haha
The issue is still in place with the body fat. It's incredibly well known that a high (and yours is high) level there is a greater potential for side effects (specifically relating to Estrogen). It also suggests that you could have lost some BEFORE the cycle and that you are also replying on the cycle to lower it. Tell me that your diet is on point cos that matters far more than the cycle does.
No sir, i have not begun to cycle yet. This is forthcoming when i reach my target BF and weight. I still have a ways to go as far as getting my base back. Hope this clears things up. Ive been eating tuna, chicken breast, peanut butter, and suppliment in about 120g of whey or cassien per day.
Ahh. Solid. The way the later post was written it was like you started when I knew we'd agreed on you holding off. Keep at it it.
Arms definitely look big as hell.
haha well, ive been using a machine at the gym, i think its called "the lifebody" or some shit like that. you stand on it barefoot and grab two handles and it measures BF and skeletal muscle mass, and some other things ive never really seen. are calipers a better way?
that thing is not accurate, not even close
the best way? post a picture of yourself without a shirt. but based on that pic you put up you aren't that high at all unless your shirt is baggy
Week 6 update:
weight:257
BF: 34.8%**
This week was a little different. I felt depressed, actually; just realizing how much time of a sedentary lifestyle i have to atone for. it took 10 years to get this out of shape, i need to realize that this wont happen in 6 weeks or even 6 months. Keep putting in the work like you use to, and you'll get back to the diesel motherfucker you were.
Muscles definitely look fuller this week but the fat is definitely still there, but my arms seem to be popping out quite a bit. i can even see a little vascularity coming back.
Lifts are coming along great on all areas, although i was disappointed in my shoulder press this time with only a 5 lbs lift gain from last week. honestly thought id be a lot stronger on that the way things have been going. i keep wanting to turn to my gear, but i know im not even at the 40% mark of my natty potential. i need to understand that gear want solve my problems, but discipline will.
thanks for reading this update. more to come
**WTF? how did i go from 28.6% BF to 34%? one of the trainers said if i do it after a workout it will read lower. how this works, i dont know. Im not sure how i could magically shed 6% BF in a fucking back workout. i guess they are pretty inaccurate.**
weight:257
BF: 34.8%**
This week was a little different. I felt depressed, actually; just realizing how much time of a sedentary lifestyle i have to atone for. it took 10 years to get this out of shape, i need to realize that this wont happen in 6 weeks or even 6 months. Keep putting in the work like you use to, and you'll get back to the diesel motherfucker you were.
Muscles definitely look fuller this week but the fat is definitely still there, but my arms seem to be popping out quite a bit. i can even see a little vascularity coming back.
Lifts are coming along great on all areas, although i was disappointed in my shoulder press this time with only a 5 lbs lift gain from last week. honestly thought id be a lot stronger on that the way things have been going. i keep wanting to turn to my gear, but i know im not even at the 40% mark of my natty potential. i need to understand that gear want solve my problems, but discipline will.
thanks for reading this update. more to come
**WTF? how did i go from 28.6% BF to 34%? one of the trainers said if i do it after a workout it will read lower. how this works, i dont know. Im not sure how i could magically shed 6% BF in a fucking back workout. i guess they are pretty inaccurate.**
Hard89
New member
Don't pay any mind to those bf readings, as they are not entirely accurate. I have looked like my profile pic went in and scored almost a 20% bf lol do I look 20% no lol there are so many factors that can falsify that information. If you really want to find out where your at for bf go get a scan done. I will be doing this for the first time soon and I am pumped as hell. Keep hitting it hard brother.
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Week 7:
weight :257.8
BF:27.8%
height: 5'11
feeling great! i shrunk an inch though. gains have been solid and steady. veins continue to pop out where i forgot i had them. im hungry all the time now, where used to just eat one crap meal a day. added about 15lbs to the bench on chest day from last week. lifts are still crap for my body weight, but hey, im working on it. the weights seem to be getting lighter each week. dont intend to change anything at the moment, except maybe up my cardio.
weight :257.8
BF:27.8%
height: 5'11
feeling great! i shrunk an inch though. gains have been solid and steady. veins continue to pop out where i forgot i had them. im hungry all the time now, where used to just eat one crap meal a day. added about 15lbs to the bench on chest day from last week. lifts are still crap for my body weight, but hey, im working on it. the weights seem to be getting lighter each week. dont intend to change anything at the moment, except maybe up my cardio.
thanks brother. im really excited about lifting again. i find myself sometimes going twice a day on my off days.
Bro pump it to the limit ... yea ...yea....baaaammmm
week 8-9.
weight:262
BF:not tested.
Feeling great. started my round of test on the 29th of march, against the advice of the forums. im getting in my head though, cant quit fuckin with my nipples because i think they're getting bigger. they're not. you ran test AND dbol the first time with no AI's or PCT and you were fine. keep telling yourself that. lifts are explosive! im well on my way back to my hay day, and i can actually see a difference in the mirror. maybe its the placebo effect? not sure. will continue the course, and i cant wait to lift tomorrow.
weight:262
BF:not tested.
Feeling great. started my round of test on the 29th of march, against the advice of the forums. im getting in my head though, cant quit fuckin with my nipples because i think they're getting bigger. they're not. you ran test AND dbol the first time with no AI's or PCT and you were fine. keep telling yourself that. lifts are explosive! im well on my way back to my hay day, and i can actually see a difference in the mirror. maybe its the placebo effect? not sure. will continue the course, and i cant wait to lift tomorrow.
bro test your bodyfat...lets see
bro you looking good...but upside down haha...much thicker
Looking thick there for sure.
thanks man. i guess fatties like me do have some business using gear.
you look solid man. flat stomach from what i can see
Are you a gamer or something. Looks like a pretty decent setup in the background lol 
straightnasty
Banned
I’m confused unless you mistyped somewhere ? You didn’t shed 6% bf you added - week 5 28% to week 6 34% , and whose bud lights are on the desk lol
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straightnasty
Banned
Thickness def popping , keep
Up the hard work . I would 100% plan a pct now tho , you said you didn’t take anything in the past . You may not get that lucky again recovery wise .
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Up the hard work . I would 100% plan a pct now tho , you said you didn’t take anything in the past . You may not get that lucky again recovery wise .
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Are you a gamer or something. Looks like a pretty decent setup in the background lol
haha i actually am. got a 40" 4k monitor and a beast of a system i built. haven't done much gaming lately though. i'm putting more effort towards the gym.
no, it was a difference between a post- lifting heavy reading, and a pre-lifting heavy reading. i didn't shed that much BF in a week. and those are my beers! cheat day, love some brews with some friends. i dont know how the machine reads it, or its rhyme or reason, just so long as im going down.
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no i have some goods on deck for pct. im not rolling the dice like it did when i was 25.
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yes sir. dropping BF is one of my goals which im achieving from an overall cleaner diet. My OVERALL goal is get back the strength and size i had when i was in the service. I'm actually pretty close to eclipsing that with the 500mg of test e im running right now, and this is only week 3 of it. i think a lot of it was muscle memory starting to wake up, because i wouldn't have appreciated the gains i have that quickly from test e.
straightnasty
Banned
Good call on having the pct ready pal , and I as well enjoy some cold ones with my boys , not overdoing it but maybe 6-8 on a Saturday by pool or watching a ufc pay per view . Not every week either .
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I am not a gamer either but the beast of yours sure did catch my eye lol.
week 12:
Weight: 275 lbs
BF: fuck it
The test is definitely working. strength is through the roof. examples: shrugging 365lbs for 8, or 120 lbs dumbells for 12 no prob. unfortunately that as high as they go at my gym. curling 65's for 10 in each hand with a bit of body english. i can single handed row a fucking buick now. im right on par where i was about 10 years ago. my bench still lacks, as it always has. i thought it would come along a lot quicker, i was only able to do 225 for 7, and the week before 90 lb dumbells for 8. i will be patient on this, bench isnt everything, but i do expect significant gains soon. its only been 3 months, and ive made some significant strides, and only one 1 month with the gear. youll get there. I decided to add in 400mg/wk of equipoise to see if i will get some long term cycle gains. unfortunately, i only have enough for 10 weeks right now. ill look into finding more since my source dried up.
Weight: 275 lbs
BF: fuck it
The test is definitely working. strength is through the roof. examples: shrugging 365lbs for 8, or 120 lbs dumbells for 12 no prob. unfortunately that as high as they go at my gym. curling 65's for 10 in each hand with a bit of body english. i can single handed row a fucking buick now. im right on par where i was about 10 years ago. my bench still lacks, as it always has. i thought it would come along a lot quicker, i was only able to do 225 for 7, and the week before 90 lb dumbells for 8. i will be patient on this, bench isnt everything, but i do expect significant gains soon. its only been 3 months, and ive made some significant strides, and only one 1 month with the gear. youll get there. I decided to add in 400mg/wk of equipoise to see if i will get some long term cycle gains. unfortunately, i only have enough for 10 weeks right now. ill look into finding more since my source dried up.
bro good update...did you look evo approved guys?
Thanks for the update bro and keep up the good work!
early week 13:
Weight: 274.6 lbs
BF:24.4%
Great to see im still dropping body fat. almost -3% since i last measured. i honestly think im going way to light with too many reps on areas im strong at. its almost as if im scared i wont be able to lift it. but since when have you cared? im trying to focus more on the contraction and the 'mind-muscle' connection to really sting that muscle group; at least thats how im justifying it. i am being plagued by a lateral epicondylitis (tennis elbow) in my left arm. had one of my docs at my ER inject me with kenalog, toradol, and lidocaine to help out, and ill be goddamed if it didnt. felt a little bit of pain there when i did bi's on friday. im honestly disappointed at myself right now. i KNOW i could do more, i just dont. whats your fuckin issue, dustin? youve never let big weight scare you in your life. ill have to investigate this soon, and make adjustments accordingly. if you leave the gym questioning if you got a good lift in, do you really think you did?
No sides yet from the test and EQ except for my nuts drying up and blowing away in the wind. i am not surprised at all by this, but it wasnt like i remember 10 years ago. you were 24 then, youre 36 now, 'genius'. i cant quit eating either. i guess the appetite thing about boldenone is true. works for me man!
Weight: 274.6 lbs
BF:24.4%
Great to see im still dropping body fat. almost -3% since i last measured. i honestly think im going way to light with too many reps on areas im strong at. its almost as if im scared i wont be able to lift it. but since when have you cared? im trying to focus more on the contraction and the 'mind-muscle' connection to really sting that muscle group; at least thats how im justifying it. i am being plagued by a lateral epicondylitis (tennis elbow) in my left arm. had one of my docs at my ER inject me with kenalog, toradol, and lidocaine to help out, and ill be goddamed if it didnt. felt a little bit of pain there when i did bi's on friday. im honestly disappointed at myself right now. i KNOW i could do more, i just dont. whats your fuckin issue, dustin? youve never let big weight scare you in your life. ill have to investigate this soon, and make adjustments accordingly. if you leave the gym questioning if you got a good lift in, do you really think you did?
No sides yet from the test and EQ except for my nuts drying up and blowing away in the wind. i am not surprised at all by this, but it wasnt like i remember 10 years ago. you were 24 then, youre 36 now, 'genius'. i cant quit eating either. i guess the appetite thing about boldenone is true. works for me man!
week 14, into 15:
weight:267
bf: not measure this week
took about 3 or 4 days off to let my joints,tendons, and muscles heal. wanted everything to be tight, compact, and ready to lift big weight. week 5 of the test e 500mg and week 3 of the EQ. my skin is getting oily all around, but no acne. im kinda getting moody at work, which worries me, since we rely on returns for business. i dont think anything has changed, i was moody at work before, now i just internalize removing someones head for asking a stupid question ive already answered. ive had a low tolerance for this before the gear, now i definitely dont. dont know why im surprised. its probably not as bad as i make it, but there are some stupid and very infirm people out there. anyway, my workouts seem to be charged, and i feel like i could be working out even harder. i always leave thinking "i couldve done more". looking wide as hell and getting a lot of stares at the gym from the "big" guys and the routine gym rats.
weight:267
bf: not measure this week
took about 3 or 4 days off to let my joints,tendons, and muscles heal. wanted everything to be tight, compact, and ready to lift big weight. week 5 of the test e 500mg and week 3 of the EQ. my skin is getting oily all around, but no acne. im kinda getting moody at work, which worries me, since we rely on returns for business. i dont think anything has changed, i was moody at work before, now i just internalize removing someones head for asking a stupid question ive already answered. ive had a low tolerance for this before the gear, now i definitely dont. dont know why im surprised. its probably not as bad as i make it, but there are some stupid and very infirm people out there. anyway, my workouts seem to be charged, and i feel like i could be working out even harder. i always leave thinking "i couldve done more". looking wide as hell and getting a lot of stares at the gym from the "big" guys and the routine gym rats.
week 16:
weight:258 from 268
BF:not tested this week
i just lift more and more weight whenever i hit the gym. i know im gonna hit a brick wall soon, but when? did legs yesterday and i felt charged. and the lord sayeth "blessed is he who skippeth not the day of legs". lotta stares and compliments from even random strangers, so the gear must be doing its job. i think the boldenone is really starting to hit even after 5 weeks, even though i know it should take around 8. everyone if different. i seem to respond to AAS well, as evidenced by my first cycle in the service. nukes are looking big as hell and ive leaned down quite a bit.
weight:258 from 268
BF:not tested this week
i just lift more and more weight whenever i hit the gym. i know im gonna hit a brick wall soon, but when? did legs yesterday and i felt charged. and the lord sayeth "blessed is he who skippeth not the day of legs". lotta stares and compliments from even random strangers, so the gear must be doing its job. i think the boldenone is really starting to hit even after 5 weeks, even though i know it should take around 8. everyone if different. i seem to respond to AAS well, as evidenced by my first cycle in the service. nukes are looking big as hell and ive leaned down quite a bit.
not really hoss. a thick arm is a thick arm, especially when compared to the size of my torso and fist.
I think he was just joking.
Bodybuilders like to play with that angle game a lot lol.
Btw, Have you ever measured them?
to be honest, the last time i did was in 2007 after my first cycle and they were close to 20". now im curious to see what they are now.
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why? because i can. and i really dont care if anyone else cares. im just doing this for fun. if you dont like it, dont read my posts.
In ur original post you said you had oily skin and started getting moody. Might be hi estro man. U have an ai?
Eq sucks unless ur lean and want big veins and a tad bit of anxiety. Fuck all gains.
In my opinion you'd be good doing 250 test and some tren ace eod.
No need to worry bout estro. And tren will lean u up and fuk tren is the Shite.
Eq sucks unless ur lean and want big veins and a tad bit of anxiety. Fuck all gains.
In my opinion you'd be good doing 250 test and some tren ace eod.
No need to worry bout estro. And tren will lean u up and fuk tren is the Shite.
im scared of tren man.
going into week 17:
Weight: 267?
BF:25.8%
Still going down on the BF. my last weight on the scale i used was off. i feel a lot heavier than 258. felt like absolute garbage in the gym doing shoulders. i thought i was stronger than i actually was, and my elbows FUCKING KILL. ive had to take some time off these last few weeks, but i think ill have to take another 2 days off after tonight. i really dont want to do that, but i dont want to rupture or tear something. no clue why my elbows are hurting so bad. any pressing movement sucks. been icing them and taking naproxen. we'll see what happens on back day tomorrow. still continuing test e 500/mg and EQ 400/week.
Weight: 267?
BF:25.8%
Still going down on the BF. my last weight on the scale i used was off. i feel a lot heavier than 258. felt like absolute garbage in the gym doing shoulders. i thought i was stronger than i actually was, and my elbows FUCKING KILL. ive had to take some time off these last few weeks, but i think ill have to take another 2 days off after tonight. i really dont want to do that, but i dont want to rupture or tear something. no clue why my elbows are hurting so bad. any pressing movement sucks. been icing them and taking naproxen. we'll see what happens on back day tomorrow. still continuing test e 500/mg and EQ 400/week.
Both red flags
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i goess if you were reading, or remembered, i did 6 months of natural training before i turned to gear. im not into a 17 week cycle.
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excuse me, 2 months
Week 17 of anything or week 17 of the cycle? Clarify pls.
The body fat is quite simply too high. On or off. But esp so if on.
week 18: loving it. just getting wider and leaner but the bulk is still there. coming to the trail end of my cycle. ive started tapering down my test doses along with the EQ. in a few more weeks, ill be done and start my recovery. BF is down to 22% vs the 34% i started at. weight is about 248. I can say im very pleased with the results of both me getting back into the weights, and the gear.
Good job! Solid progress! Looking wide!
What's your plan after cycle? Pct? Sarms? Continued cycling?
thank you sir. i plan on doing the standard PCT, and taking off the gear for about 12 weeks, while lifting naturally. it is tempting to cruise, but i dont think its wise for me at this juncture. new cycle planned after my 12 weeks off.
Yeh nice. Just realised thats ur other thread also.
Yeh I wouldn't recommend cruising. That's a lifelong commitment not to be taken lightly. I cruise but I'm commited to the cause.
Just maintain a solid workout routine and healthy eating.
straightnasty
Banned
Any pics shirtless ? No homo , but hard to tell physique with a shirt on in recent pics ... great job on lowering bf% nice work !!! Keep it up after cycle , start your next one around 15-17% bf
bro you looking good....
