Expired gear

[prime863]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

 

[Dreamer]

Nearly 100%

 

[prime863]

Nearly 100%

I was hoping it should still be somewhat good if not a little less potent at most.

Appreciate the response.

 

[Dreamer]

Unopened, in the dark, not in heat, honestly im no chemist - but I would say it would be just as good as it was the day it was brewed up.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

It depends where he bought the stash imho

 

[prime863]

It depends where he bought the stash imho

As in the source itself? I know the source, was was one of the big OG reputable Aussie sources on here years ago if that helps. The the gear in general is g2g. Its just the age that made things questionable, being roughly 10yr old.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

As in the source itself? I know the source, was was one of the big OG reputable Aussie sources on here years ago if that helps. The the gear in general is g2g. Its just the age that made things questionable, being roughly 10yr old.

@prime863 Personally I wouldn’t inject 10 year old gear into my body and wouldn’t recommend you do it.
Much safer to get new bottles from trusted AU vendors.

 

[prime863]

@prime863 Personally I wouldn’t inject 10 year old gear into my body and wouldn’t recommend you do it.
Much safer to get new bottles from trusted AU vendors.

Yeah understandable.

Its just hard to resist with Mast being so scarce rn.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Yeah understandable.

Its just hard to resist with Mast being so scarce rn.

If it was an oral no problem. I wouldn’t risk it with an injectable.

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Better not risk it.

Send it to me and I’ll dispose of it for you

 

[prime863]

Better not risk it.

Send it to me and I’ll dispose of it for you

Im sure your disposal methods would be very responsible

 

[toddthelineman]

Nearly 100%

Agreed

 

[Blshaw]

Oils could have gone rancid in that duration. Def agree with others that it’s cheap enough to replace over the risk of infection etc

 

[prime863]

Oils could have gone rancid in that duration. Def agree with others that it’s cheap enough to replace over the risk of infection etc

Sucks Mast is so hard to come by rn

 

[toddthelineman]

Sucks Mast is so hard to come by rn

Well. I’m no scientist but I believe different types of fat are more or less susceptible to rancidity, such as saturated fat being less likely and polyunsaturated fat more so.

And rancidity is dependent on exposure, specifically oxidation. Probably heat as well.
I have ampoules of Rx test that I have kept for five years as a control for my experimentation, I’m not an authority on anything and no one should do what I do just because I think it’s ok, but I’m inclined to think that the gear is probably fine.

Honestly we don’t even know how old it is when we get it

 

[LevButlerov]

Sucks Mast is so hard to come by rn

hard to come by doesn't mean you risk your health with 10 year old gear @prime863
remember, you can easily use equipoise if you want e2 control, and if you want hardness winstrol will do fine instead of masteron

what is your cycle plan? can you share it please

 

[prime863]

hard to come by doesn't mean you risk your health with 10 year old gear @prime863
remember, you can easily use equipoise if you want e2 control, and if you want hardness winstrol will do fine instead of masteron

what is your cycle plan? can you share it please

Was looking at 200mg of Mast on top of my 200mg Test TRT (endo prescribed).

Would be my first time back on cycle in roughly 7 years I think. Just easing back into things

 

[stevesmi]

At the end of the day is it a trusted brand and trusted source? If it's not approved then don't take the risk. We've seen so many threads from people who've had issues using non-approved sources.

 

[prime863]

At the end of the day is it a trusted brand and trusted source? If it's not approved then don't take the risk. We've seen so many threads from people who've had issues using non-approved sources.

From an OG approved source on these forums from 2016-2017 Era

 

[ceo]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

Bro, send that shit to me. I'll take it off your hands.

 

[Ulter]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

well it should be fine but at this point why would you even risk it? Throw it out and buy some new gear from one of our approved sources.

 

[prime863]

well it should be fine but at this point why would you even risk it? Throw it out and buy some new gear from one of our approved sources.

Fair point. Might have to wait until mast is back in stock due to global raw shortage

 

[prime863]

Bro, send that shit to me. I'll take it off your hands.

So many offers to dispose of it responsibly. Love it

 

[Coolguy]

I'd risk it
Just start with 0.1ml and see if it fucks you. If you have a small infection then it's bad if not then probably ok.

 

[Mobster]

I was hoping it should still be somewhat good if not a little less potent at most.

Appreciate the response.

Probably. That said it is getting on for 9 years.

Prices via our approved sources are as cheap as they've ever been. Check out @PSL, NapsGear, @ugfreak and Umbrella Labs

 

[Blshaw]

Just start with 0.1ml and see if it fucks you. If you have a small infection then it's bad if not then probably

I dunno brother, I got a golf ball size abscess once from a tainted small injection not much more volume than that. It was nasty nasty nasty. Luckily my neighbor is a PA and drained / packed it for me as well as scripted antibiotics.

 

[Coolguy]

I dunno brother, I got a golf ball size abscess once from a tainted small injection not much more volume than that. It was nasty nasty nasty. Luckily my neighbor is a PA and drained / packed it for me as well as scripted antibiotics.

0.1ml i found is pretty rough if it's bad gear but didn't end up needing antibiotics. If in doubt throw it out but mast is mast and is fairly hard to come by

 

[Eddie Haskell]

0.1ml i found is pretty rough if it's bad gear but didn't end up needing antibiotics. If in doubt throw it out but mast is mast and is fairly hard to come by

Easier and much safer to buy new gear imho

 

[LevButlerov]

Was looking at 200mg of Mast on top of my 200mg Test TRT (endo prescribed).

Would be my first time back on cycle in roughly 7 years I think. Just easing back into things

If you want to use TRT and masteron, why not use TRT and winstrol? if you want to be harder with the cycle. In case you can't get new masteron. @prime863

 

[toddthelineman]

If you want to use TRT and masteron, why not use TRT and winstrol? if you want to be harder with the cycle. In case you can't get new masteron. @prime863

I like winstrol, it’s super underrated super strong. I didn’t even take it in the doses some do. 25mg a day made me look, feel, and perform very obvious enhanced. Sometimes made me irritable though

Masteron makes me feel really good, and when I used it that was the first time people started going out of their way to tell me that I looked really good, winstrol was more like “holy shit dude what are you doing?” And I would want to put a shirt back on hahaha

 

[prime863]

If you want to use TRT and masteron, why not use TRT and winstrol? if you want to be harder with the cycle. In case you can't get new masteron. @prime863

This isnt a bad idea actually, ill look into it. Cheers

 

[ballin2504]

I’d use it

 

[ROIDDERS]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

if you're not sure, then don't use it. There's nothing worse than running a cycle and realizing your gear is no good.

 

[RoidRage69]

I have 25 year old EQ that my wife and I have used recently with no problems. My wife had her best ever strength gains on her last cycle using it as the base of her cycle.

 

[2Thick]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

maybe keep the masteron and try it out. It won't be hard to know if it's legit or not. If it hardens you up, you know it's good.

 

[Woodiee]

Has the oil darkened? At very worst it may have lost potency but if it was stored correctly and not opened.. should be fine.

 

[LevButlerov]

This isnt a bad idea actually, ill look into it. Cheers

we should discuss your diet training, how is that going? @prime863

 

[stevesmi]

From an OG approved source on these forums from 2016-2017 Era

wow that is a long time ago man. That's almost a decade.

 

[Dreamer]

So many offers to dispose of it responsibly. Love it

What does that tell you?

 

[Nasser1997o2]

Im sure your disposal methods would be very responsible

Bro, I guarantee it’s fine.

How would bacteria even get in them?

Just get some anti-biotics on standby and roll tide brothers

 

[prime863]

we should discuss your diet training, how is that going? @prime863

Sorry for late response, daughter was born yesterday, been all hands on deck.

Diet is solid, having a partner who cooks her cultures food is handy

Training im back into the swing of things 3x a week the last couple of weeks and will up frequency to 5x/week starting next week. Been focusing on mobility aswell

 

[prime863]

I have 25 year old EQ that my wife and I have used recently with no problems. My wife had her best ever strength gains on her last cycle using it as the base of her cycle.

My god thats wild, glad it went well. Must have been stored well

 

[prime863]

Bro, I guarantee it’s fine.

How would bacteria even get in them?

Just get some anti-biotics on standby and roll tide brothers

not a terrible idea. still weighing it up.

 

[prime863]

maybe keep the masteron and try it out. It won't be hard to know if it's legit or not. If it hardens you up, you know it's good.

Mast i always felt was g2g when i got the mental benefits from it. Mentally to me it always felt like a good Tren cycle with none of the downsides

 

[prime863]

Has the oil darkened? At very worst it may have lost potency but if it was stored correctly and not opened.. should be fine.

Negative, all looks the same.

 

[ceo]

So many offers to dispose of it responsibly. Love it

Bros, this is what we like to see.

 

[Ulter]

Fair point. Might have to wait until mast is back in stock due to global raw shortage

yes it's a problem for sure. Make sure you check the approved sources and see what they got.

 

[2Thick]

Mast i always felt was g2g when i got the mental benefits from it. Mentally to me it always felt like a good Tren cycle with none of the downsides

You might want to try Proviron. I think you would like it even better.

 

[HarleyGuy]

Hi all,

A close friend opened his old stash he's kept at a relatives house for years, im talking since 2017.

He's quite excited as he has around 15 unopened vials of Mast P (hard to get right now) and a heap of Test E aswell.

Its been kept in a cool and VERY dark place since then. Whats the chances of it still being viable?

Regards,

There's a new chapter called "Proper Storage Solutions for Anabolic Steroids" in the eBook: Secrets to Mail Order Steroids 2024
You can download it here: https://irongorillas.com

Even with proper storage I don't think safe use applies after almost a decade though.

 

[LevButlerov]

Sorry for late response, daughter was born yesterday, been all hands on deck.

Congratulations new little one in the family! love it @prime863

Diet is solid, having a partner who cooks her cultures food is handy

Training im back into the swing of things 3x a week the last couple of weeks and will up frequency to 5x/week starting next week. Been focusing on mobility aswell

That’s still not enough info to help, we need to see it written out day to day because solid diet and training back in does not tell us loads, calories, progression, or recovery.
Get a proper log up now with food, training weights, frequency, sleep, and mobility work so the EVO family can actually guide you, especially now you have a little one here, we can guide you during a hard time and support you 15min of your time to start.

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