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Hi all,

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I came off my 5th cycle (one yearly) of 400 test e, 400 masteron e and 60 mg anavar. Two weeks later I started the clomid and nolva, along with cardarine. I am at week 5 today. Can't find n2generate anywhere. I am also on TRT, so I resumed my dose of TRT of .55 cc / week.

I am having a major problem with libido and erections - so I had bloods done. Test and Estrogen in normal ranges. The Luteinizing hormone seems way low and the Follicle stimulating hormone readings are borderline low. Can anyone explains what this means? My guess is that my trt is preventing my pituitary gland from kickstarting the signal to my testicles to start producing hormones. Can someone perhaps give me a bit of insight?
 

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you answered your own question man

when you are on hormones your pituitary glands shut down. so obviously your LH and fsh will be at 0

you didn't say how much clomid and nolva you are on, but if i am gonna speculate i would say you are using too much of those which are causing your issues. i don't like the heavy dose recommendations for SERM's that i see out there and it makes no sense since they are drugs and not hormones. they are drugs that have long half lives so you do not need to run them as much as i see guys do

secondly why are you even doing a pct if you are on trt? that part makes no sense. if you are on trt then no pct necessary
 
The TRT dose is so low, it's at the lowest end of the range to supplment my existing testosterone, which was shut down during cycle. My research tells me that you need to still do a PCT even if you are on TRT. I worry about controlling estrogen levels as well. As for the clomid - it's 50/day and Nolva it's 20/day. What would you recommend? I need to get my mojo back brother.
 
knoxville said:
The TRT dose is so low, it's at the lowest end of the range to supplment my existing testosterone, which was shut down during cycle. My research tells me that you need to still do a PCT even if you are on TRT. I worry about controlling estrogen levels as well. As for the clomid - it's 50/day and Nolva it's 20/day. What would you recommend? I need to get my mojo back brother.
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you can do a modified pct after a blast when you are on trt. but that has more to do with balancing organs and that sort of thing and nothing to do with your hpta which will be shutdown no matter what you do. however sometimes its better to just let the body do it rather then throwing drugs at it

as far as your research, it sure wasn't from me or most guys on here (atleast the guys i respect on here). sounds to me either you are listening to people trying to sell you more shit or people who haven't ran an actual pct since VCR's were popular.

what would i do here? i would drop your nolva and clomid.

as far as estrogen, why would your e be high if you are on only .5CC of test per week? that is around 130mg a week. your bloodwork is normal so that isn't the issue
 
knoxville said:
Hi all,

See attachment.

I came off my 5th cycle (one yearly) of 400 test e, 400 masteron e and 60 mg anavar. Two weeks later I started the clomid and nolva, along with cardarine. I am at week 5 today. Can't find n2generate anywhere. I am also on TRT, so I resumed my dose of TRT of .55 cc / week.

I am having a major problem with libido and erections - so I had bloods done. Test and Estrogen in normal ranges. The Luteinizing hormone seems way low and the Follicle stimulating hormone readings are borderline low. Can anyone explains what this means? My guess is that my trt is preventing my pituitary gland from kickstarting the signal to my testicles to start producing hormones. Can someone perhaps give me a bit of insight?
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Hi there, too bad n2generate out of stock, it would help you big time right now.

I would keep nolvadex/clomid/cardarine going until week 6 and then go with your TRT.

0.55cc/week is what? 100mgs testosterone/week?

Get 10mgs tadalafil and use it EOD (cialis eod 10mgs) and you'll see a huge improvement in erections but libido will take time to recover.

IMO I would like to see you share your recovery and TRT diet and training log with us

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/
top left, you see: +POST NEW THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/new-cycle!-84662.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/summer-bulking-cycle-85543.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/lefr34k-s-training-log-85141.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/pigsy-s-training-log-83248.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/echos-hgh-log-cycle-85429.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/my-cycle-log-85538.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/dozers-journey-stage-cycle-84184.html
 
Now I am confused and I am not sure what to do. I thought that since I was on such a low dose of TRT (.55) or yes approximately 100 mg a week, I should have to stimulate my natural testosterone production as well. If I was on a heavier dose, I would not. This morning sex was an effort and could not finish. I didn't even have a full erection. It is starting to get to me. There must be some type of chemical reaction happening. Maybe it's the Nolva. I've been reading for 3 days and cannot seem to get a conclusive answer. It could be a million possibilities. Estrogen is 51 pmol/L or 13.8 pg/mL. Testosterone is 12.1 nmole. Test is 349 ng/dL or 84.8 pg/mL. Both within range but low. I appreciate all your advice - and hope to get more opinions.
 
knoxville said:
Now I am confused and I am not sure what to do. I thought that since I was on such a low dose of TRT (.55) or yes approximately 100 mg a week, I should have to stimulate my natural testosterone production as well. If I was on a heavier dose, I would not. This morning sex was an effort and could not finish. I didn't even have a full erection. It is starting to get to me. There must be some type of chemical reaction happening. Maybe it's the Nolva. I've been reading for 3 days and cannot seem to get a conclusive answer. It could be a million possibilities. Estrogen is 51 pmol/L or 13.8 pg/mL. Testosterone is 12.1 nmole. Test is 349 ng/dL or 84.8 pg/mL. Both within range but low. I appreciate all your advice - and hope to get more opinions.
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The test is going to offset any good the Clomid and Nolva are trying to do. TRT there is zero point of a PCT. You need to let your body relax and get back to its baseline levels as you went up 4x on your test dose, plus avanar, plus mast e which helps with libido as well. Your hormones were super high now back to normal levels its natural to feel this way just need to relax and give your body time to recover and get back to normal baseline TRT levels.

I wouldnt start adding cialis or viagra id just relax.

Only other thing you could try and run is progesterone and cortisol? If those are high (id be shocked if progesterone was but who knows) that can also impact your libido.
 
Thanks for your response - I will take the majority's advice and stop the PCT (I did yesterday) and let things re-adjust. It's just a bit frsutrating. I feel that I am pretty experienced with gear, have never had an issue and now I'm dealing with a major one that is causing me a bit of stress and embarassement. Thank you though. Much appreciated.

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I've never taken cialis - does it help with impotence as well as ED?
 
knoxville said:
Thanks for your response - I will take the majority's advice and stop the PCT (I did yesterday) and let things re-adjust. It's just a bit frsutrating. I feel that I am pretty experienced with gear, have never had an issue and now I'm dealing with a major one that is causing me a bit of stress and embarassement. Thank you though. Much appreciated.

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I've never taken cialis - does it help with impotence as well as ED?
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It will help with ED. Impotence I believe you would be better served with HCG.

Yea I hear you on the "hey why is this happening" but as we age our bodys hormones change and we just react differently.

Not trying to say Cialis or HCG or Clomid/Nolva wont help in some capacity but if you just keep throwing other compounds in to solve an issue you become heavily reliant on them.

I am 41 not on TRT yet and when I cycle I know coming off im going to not feel awesome LOL. I do my PCT with low dose clomid + nolva + N2Generate ES and when done I just chill out and let my body recover and ive been able to do this for over a decade with minimal impact on my natural test production.

The more you stress over it and fixate on it you are going to raise cortisol which will make things worse so again id just say give it some more time and then reassess.
 
knoxville said:
Now I am confused and I am not sure what to do. I thought that since I was on such a low dose of TRT (.55) or yes approximately 100 mg a week, I should have to stimulate my natural testosterone production as well. If I was on a heavier dose, I would not. This morning sex was an effort and could not finish. I didn't even have a full erection. It is starting to get to me. There must be some type of chemical reaction happening. Maybe it's the Nolva. I've been reading for 3 days and cannot seem to get a conclusive answer. It could be a million possibilities. Estrogen is 51 pmol/L or 13.8 pg/mL. Testosterone is 12.1 nmole. Test is 349 ng/dL or 84.8 pg/mL. Both within range but low. I appreciate all your advice - and hope to get more opinions.
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that is okay you are confused. that is what this forum is for.

if you need to do a 1 on 1 consult hit me up and i can discuss how the body works more in depth and answer any questions you have so you aren't confused anymore

but as AWM said there is no 'stimulate testosterone' when you are on TRT. you are shut down, end of story. if there was a way to magically trick the body then nobody would need trt for life. we all could just use tons of steroids and come on and off as we pleased. it doesn't work like that. the body has mechanisms in place. when it senses exogenous hormones it will shut down. you cannot fight nature :) even people who tell you to use hcg don't grasp that concept because they think cause your balls plump up on hcg it is doing anything more than fooling your leydig cells, but it is doing nothing for your pituitary glands
 
knoxville said:
Thanks for your response - I will take the majority's advice and stop the PCT (I did yesterday) and let things re-adjust. It's just a bit frsutrating. I feel that I am pretty experienced with gear, have never had an issue and now I'm dealing with a major one that is causing me a bit of stress and embarassement. Thank you though. Much appreciated.

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I've never taken cialis - does it help with impotence as well as ED?
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I would use tadalafil 5mgs eod and yes it helps a lot with blood flow etc

TRT and pct dont mix they not needed.

I would go into TRT and go into a diet push with cardio.

we need to see a LOG journal from you
 
Well hell that worked. Here I was thinking that I needed to kickstart the exogenous production since my TRT amount was so low. On my past 4 cycles over the years I aleays used the same perfect PCT (published here) but was not on TRT until this year. On wednesday I stopped all PCT as you suggested, and this morning I woke up like my self again and put my wife on another planet for a whole 2 minutes :)

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I meant to also say thanks for all the great advice. Much appreciated everyone.
 
knoxville said:
Well hell that worked. Here I was thinking that I needed to kickstart the exogenous production since my TRT amount was so low. On my past 4 cycles over the years I aleays used the same perfect PCT (published here) but was not on TRT until this year. On wednesday I stopped all PCT as you suggested, and this morning I woke up like my self again and put my wife on another planet for a whole 2 minutes :)

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I meant to also say thanks for all the great advice. Much appreciated everyone.
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Nice brotha glad it worked out!
 
knoxville said:
Well hell that worked. Here I was thinking that I needed to kickstart the exogenous production since my TRT amount was so low. On my past 4 cycles over the years I aleays used the same perfect PCT (published here) but was not on TRT until this year. On wednesday I stopped all PCT as you suggested, and this morning I woke up like my self again and put my wife on another planet for a whole 2 minutes :)

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I meant to also say thanks for all the great advice. Much appreciated everyone.
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bro glad to hear
 
knoxville said:
Well hell that worked. Here I was thinking that I needed to kickstart the exogenous production since my TRT amount was so low. On my past 4 cycles over the years I aleays used the same perfect PCT (published here) but was not on TRT until this year. On wednesday I stopped all PCT as you suggested, and this morning I woke up like my self again and put my wife on another planet for a whole 2 minutes :)

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I meant to also say thanks for all the great advice. Much appreciated everyone.
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Since we helped you here big man, are you going to share your LOG with us?

We want to see your diet, training and TRT log and how you're doing, life log journal. We helped you now you can help us with a log and info

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/
top left, you see: +POST NEW THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My Diet training TRT Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/new-cycle!-84662.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/summer-bulking-cycle-85543.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/lefr34k-s-training-log-85141.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/pigsy-s-training-log-83248.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/echos-hgh-log-cycle-85429.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/my-cycle-log-85538.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/dozers-journey-stage-cycle-84184.html
 
self TRT and you can do sports TRT later
please LOG this
 
TRT it for sure and LOG it
 
respect for making the change to TRT
but a Log journal is something you have to keep on EVO
 
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knoxville said:
Well hell that worked. Here I was thinking that I needed to kickstart the exogenous production since my TRT amount was so low. On my past 4 cycles over the years I aleays used the same perfect PCT (published here) but was not on TRT until this year. On wednesday I stopped all PCT as you suggested, and this morning I woke up like my self again and put my wife on another planet for a whole 2 minutes :)

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I meant to also say thanks for all the great advice. Much appreciated everyone.
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Seems that the TRT was NOT real TRT then
 
Glad to hear you got spectacular results, lets see your log
 
Guys - had to come back here. Although erections fired back up, libido did not and I can't ejaculate, no matter what. I am getting a bit down over here, to be honest....And tell me - what should I log and how?
 
knoxville said:
Guys - had to come back here. Although erections fired back up, libido did not and I can't ejaculate, no matter what. I am getting a bit down over here, to be honest....And tell me - what should I log and how?
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Sorry - meant to say libido has not returned. After stopping the PCT it returned sporadically then tanked. Don't have ED, just total loss of libido and I cannot finish. It's getting to the point where It's brining me down. I considered myself fairly experienced - but I'm thrown off here and cannot figure things out. Considering those levels a week ago, there might be some sort of physiological reaction happening that I can't put my finger on...and I've been reading every night to try and figure this out. I am getting more labs. If anyone has any ideas, I am open ears. Thanks for listening.
 
knoxville said:
Sorry - meant to say libido has not returned. After stopping the PCT it returned sporadically then tanked. Don't have ED, just total loss of libido and I cannot finish. It's getting to the point where It's brining me down. I considered myself fairly experienced - but I'm thrown off here and cannot figure things out. Considering those levels a week ago, there might be some sort of physiological reaction happening that I can't put my finger on...and I've been reading every night to try and figure this out. I am getting more labs. If anyone has any ideas, I am open ears. Thanks for listening.
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You probably have a prolactin spike IMO

I suggest 5 mgs tadalafil ED and 0.25mgs dostinex/week that will fix your issues, add 5 caps n2generate ed to it

Either way you should post a log of your diet, training and what you're taking if anything even supplements.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/
top left, you see: +POST NEW THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My TRT cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/new-cycle!-84662.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/summer-bulking-cycle-85543.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/lefr34k-s-training-log-85141.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/pigsy-s-training-log-83248.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/echos-hgh-log-cycle-85429.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/my-cycle-log-85538.html
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/anabolic-steroids-peds/dozers-journey-stage-cycle-84184.html
 
knoxville said:
Sorry - meant to say libido has not returned. After stopping the PCT it returned sporadically then tanked. Don't have ED, just total loss of libido and I cannot finish. It's getting to the point where It's brining me down. I considered myself fairly experienced - but I'm thrown off here and cannot figure things out. Considering those levels a week ago, there might be some sort of physiological reaction happening that I can't put my finger on...and I've been reading every night to try and figure this out. I am getting more labs. If anyone has any ideas, I am open ears. Thanks for listening.
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a lot of people cannot handle the ups and downs of cycling, that is why they give up and just stay on

thats the facts.

you need to cycle and pct correct from the get go, not play catch up in the future.
 
I normally do - the problem again here was that I started TRT this year, and when I was done the cycle, I started my normal course of PCT (thinking I had to) - my libido is like sex is non-existant, and when it does happen, I cannot finish. It's been about 3 months, and I am extremely frustrated and down about this.
 
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I had my labs updated (see attachment) before trying anything new. In 3 weeks my test went from 12.1 to 22.7. Estrogen from 51 to 102. Both, in a sense, doubled - perhaps when I stopped PCT. Psychologically, I am getting down. Nothing has changed. Zero libido, zero erections, zero interet in my wife, cannot orgasm. What are your thoughts on HCG to complement the .cc (100mg) of TRT? Being on TRT, then a pretty decent cycle, then back to TRT has not been a good experience for me. Thoughts on HCG would help. Thanks in advance for all the great help to date.
 
knoxville said:
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I had my labs updated (see attachment) before trying anything new. In 3 weeks my test went from 12.1 to 22.7. Estrogen from 51 to 102. Both, in a sense, doubled - perhaps when I stopped PCT. Psychologically, I am getting down. Nothing has changed. Zero libido, zero erections, zero interet in my wife, cannot orgasm. What are your thoughts on HCG to complement the .cc (100mg) of TRT? Being on TRT, then a pretty decent cycle, then back to TRT has not been a good experience for me. Thoughts on HCG would help. Thanks in advance for all the great help to date.
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HCG will help with sperm production but I dont think its going to help your case.

How long have you been off and just back to TRT doses?
 
Ended cycle at end of July. Thought I had to start PCT since my TRT is pretty low dose. Started that 2 weeks after last pin. Then libido crashed at the end of august. Had bloods done (see first post). Friends here recommended to get off PCT. I did around august 28, I seemed to bounce back for a few days, then I am now in a worse spot. Shitty feeling brother. Anyways I have the updated labs in my last post. Any advice helps.
 
knoxville said:
Ended cycle at end of July. Thought I had to start PCT since my TRT is pretty low dose. Started that 2 weeks after last pin. Then libido crashed at the end of august. Had bloods done (see first post). Friends here recommended to get off PCT. I did around august 28, I seemed to bounce back for a few days, then I am now in a worse spot. Shitty feeling brother. Anyways I have the updated labs in my last post. Any advice helps.
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You jumping on TRT?
 
Your trt dose is way low,up to 250 per week,drop everything else,don't need that pct when on trt,run 250 test for 4 weeks then go down to 125 per week and stay there,you started pct to soon,not needed anyways
 
knoxville said:
View attachment 14083

I had my labs updated (see attachment) before trying anything new. In 3 weeks my test went from 12.1 to 22.7. Estrogen from 51 to 102. Both, in a sense, doubled - perhaps when I stopped PCT. Psychologically, I am getting down. Nothing has changed. Zero libido, zero erections, zero interet in my wife, cannot orgasm. What are your thoughts on HCG to complement the .cc (100mg) of TRT? Being on TRT, then a pretty decent cycle, then back to TRT has not been a good experience for me. Thoughts on HCG would help. Thanks in advance for all the great help to date.
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Your blood work says nothing thats why guys cant help

you have a prolactin issue IMO
can you do blood work on prolactin for us?
 
Eddie Haskell said:
Your blood work says nothing thats why guys cant help

you have a prolactin issue IMO
can you do blood work on prolactin for us?
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This exactly like your test, estrogen, etc looks good nothing stands out.

I mean you would have to run a full panel so prolactin, TSH, T3, T4 (all thyroid stuff), progesteron, cortisol, etc etc as it could be anything including just mental.

I wont like when I stop a cycle or even near the end of a 12 week cycle my body is fatigued, have minimal sex drive, and very hard to finish. Then PCT it starts to get a little better then a month or so out after PCT im back to where I was but I get the same issue so it could just be how your body is responding to being on a higher dose and now lowering your hormone levels.
 
knoxville said:
For sure Eddie - will do that. Thanks a bunch.

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Thanks awm1981 appreciate that. Will get the full panel.
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Yea no worries brother hopefully you can get it straightened out as yea it suuuuuuuucks when things arent working right!
 
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