Quiting after 4 weeks

[mistermanshas]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

 

[LevButlerov]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

I hate to say this but this is why logs are a must @mistermanshas do you have blood work done? did you check bloods before after? did you keep a food training log supps?
what is your actual bp day to day? and what was it before?

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[Yuri]

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I hate to say this but this is why logs are a must @mistermanshas do you have blood work done? did you check bloods before after? did you keep a food training log supps?
what is your actual bp day to day? and what was it before?

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman @bss @Shakey @Ohdamn

2nd this

Drugs are not for playing games with unfortunately, if you don’t know what your doing hire somebody who dose.

 

[Yuri]

I do hope you recover and bounce back soon brother

 

[Nasser1997o2]

you have two options

First option would be to get some bloodwork and see what your estrogren level is.

If your estrogren is high, it’s probably the cause of your side effects. You can bring it into range with either aromasin or arimidex.

Don’t just start taking it without bloodwork as the side effect of low estrogen and high estrogen are very similar.

Increase in blood pressure, mood changes and heart rate is generally from issues around low or high estrogen.

Get blood work and find out.

5mg cialis is an easy way to bring blood pressure into range.

Second option is like you said, just coming off.

@bss is the man regarding PCT

 

[stevesmi]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

assuming you had a healthy hpta you will bounce back just fine. just stop the gear immediately if you want to come off

the shorter the shutdown the easier to recover. i would look at clomid/nolva low dose + strong T booster like hcgenerate

 

[Grumpy]

Agree with all above you could use some hcg to get things moving again and hopefully get the testies pumped back up

But this is quite strange never heard of anyone having those effects of a small dose not to say it cant happen but do t
You suffer from anxiety before jumping on test ??

 

[HarleyGuy]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

Sorry you feel this way bro, mental health is very important.

Without a log on here I must say my first instinct is that this isn't the gear injections causing this.

If you want to quit I'd get yourself some HCGenerate here https://www.needtobuildmuscle.com/pct/hcgenerate-n2generate/
5 caps a day and I wouldn't worry about standard PCT as your cycle was cut very short.

Click here

 

[mistermanshas]

Agree with all above you could use some hcg to get things moving again and hopefully get the testies pumped back up

But this is quite strange never heard of anyone having those effects of a small dose not to say it cant happen but do t
You suffer from anxiety before jumping on test ??

Yes, I have anxiety before.

 

[Grumpy]

Yes, I have anxiety before.

This is likely the reason probably try and treat the anxiety before jumping on test
Do you take any anti anxiety medication?

 

[mistermanshas]

you have two options

First option would be to get some bloodwork and see what your estrogren level is.

If your estrogren is high, it’s probably the cause of your side effects. You can bring it into range with either aromasin or arimidex.

Don’t just start taking it without bloodwork as the side effect of low estrogen and high estrogen are very similar.

Increase in blood pressure, mood changes and heart rate is generally from issues around low or high estrogen.

Get blood work and find out.

5mg cialis is an easy way to bring blood pressure into range.

Second option is like you said, just coming off.

@bss is the man regarding PCT

I have blood work prior to starting and was waiting week 8 to do new bloodwork. I went to donate blood but was turned away for having high pulse rate. I found ou my hemoglobin was in high range of normal so that points me towards the Test increasing my red blood cells. I don't think it could be low E2 because I aromotize heavily and got gyno as a teen before I got it removed.

Just waiting for it to clear my system in about 24 days.

 

[mistermanshas]

This is likely the reason probably try and treat the anxiety before jumping on test
Do you take any anti anxiety medication?

I used to take Wellbutrin for it but I learned how to control my anxiety prior to taking the test. At most I had one episode in two months. I'm getting constant worries now. Lesson learned, Anabolics aren't for me.

Thanks for replying to me.

 

[HarleyGuy]

I used to take Wellbutrin for it but I learned how to control my anxiety prior to taking the test. At most I had one episode in two months. I'm getting constant worries now. Lesson learned, Anabolics aren't for me.

Thanks for replying to me.

Like I say it's not the gear you're running, but get off it anyway and deal with the anxiety bro.

HCGenerate will definitely help you out with the HPTA you can come off now and by the time it lands you can start 5 caps ED.

 

[Grumpy]

I used to take Wellbutrin for it but I learned how to control my anxiety prior to taking the test. At most I had one episode in two months. I'm getting constant worries now. Lesson learned, Anabolics aren't for me.

Thanks for replying to me.

No worries at the end of the day its your choice look after your health first but it can be done if your anxiety is under control you could try selank works really well

 

[mistermanshas]

I hate to say this but this is why logs are a must @mistermanshas do you have blood work done? did you check bloods before after? did you keep a food training log supps?
what is your actual bp day to day? and what was it before?

@HarleyGuy @Allupfromhere @Pigsy @waggat @Trenhead3cc @Kopite67
@Grumpy @LH5515 @Yuri @Doctakay @catdadironman @bss @Shakey @Ohdamn

I have done blood work prior to starting Test

Test: 405ng/ml
Free test: 72ng/ml
E2: 37

My current readings don't stay high at all times. It changes by the hours. The evenings are the worse in terms. All signs point to Test causing excess red blood cells. I went to donate today and they refused since they couldn't get my pulse rate below 100. They did however say my hemoglobin was 17. I believe that's the highest in normal range.

Highest:

Sys: 155
Dia: 79
Pulse: 122

Lowest I got:

Sys: 124
Sys: 74
Pulse: 88


Right now I'm just running for 45 minutes and keeping my hear rate above 160. I log all my food and maintaining my current body weight. I'm 6.2ft and 183ib.

 

[Grumpy]

Heart rate is high but bp isn't terrible
Anxiety can cause increased heart rate

 

[toddthelineman]

To be honest @mistermanshas, 250mg is not that small of a dose. Not for everyone. With everything else in place, if I’m dedicated, I can maintain a lean 195 pounds at that dose. And I was doing well to maintain 170 pounds when I was natty. I have had some pretty high blood levels at that dose. 1700ng/dl easy.

But I support you wanting to come off and leave the steroids alone. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. Personally, I would not pct except maaaaaybe a little aromasin soon to get your e2 down. This would require bloodwork and expert dosing advice. But it’s probably necessary because you’re not well right now and the e2 is going to linger long after the test and make the whole process take longer and you’ll continue to be uncomfortable for weeks and weeks. Other than that you should bounce back just fine. But not overnight.

 

[mistermanshas]

To be honest @mistermanshas, 250mg is not that small of a dose. Not for everyone. With everything else in place, if I’m dedicated, I can maintain a lean 195 pounds at that dose. And I was doing well to maintain 170 pounds when I was natty. I have had some pretty high blood levels at that dose. 1700ng/dl easy.

But I support you wanting to come off and leave the steroids alone. There’s nothing wrong with that at all. Personally, I would not pct except maaaaaybe a little aromasin soon to get your e2 down. This would require bloodwork and expert dosing advice. But it’s probably necessary because you’re not well right now and the e2 is going to linger long after the test and make the whole process take longer and you’ll continue to be uncomfortable for weeks and weeks. Other than that you should bounce back just fine. But not overnight.

Thank you for your insight.

I was really looking forward to it but sadly it isn't for me. 250mg isn't low in sense that it isn't TRT but it was sort of cost and benefit analysis. My natural test range isn't that bad. The reason I got on it in the first place was just to enhance recovery and propel my ability to build muscle.

The 250mg was a stepping stone for week 9's 450mg Test and 225mg EQ. I could withstand all other side effects other than the heart. Literally my entire cycle was planned around side effects. I didn't pick 19nors because I'm prone to anxiety and didn't want anything to effect my mind further. I avoided any DHT derived compound due to risk hair loss. Whole plan was to buik with Test and EQ and cut with Test/Tbol.

I'm thankful at least I didn't load myself up with EQ. If there's any good that came from this post is always start with Test and Test only. Now I know EQ would have made my anxiety even worse and spiked my Hemoglobin worse.

Everything in life is learning experience.

 

[Kingofspades712]

I’d definitely get off bro. Sounds like it’s more of an anxiety situation leading to hypochondria. Anxiety sucks. Shits not for you. It won’t get any easier than 250 test

 

[ReturnOfTheMeathead]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

test causes a lot of problems when run much higher than 100 which is why i do just enough to keep my levels normal. no PCT necessary if the run didnt even go past a month. everything WILL reset.

 

[Mobster]

I used to take Wellbutrin for it but I learned how to control my anxiety prior to taking the test. At most I had one episode in two months. I'm getting constant worries now. Lesson learned, Anabolics aren't for me.

Thanks for replying to me.

Are you on any other meds?

 

[toddthelineman]

Thank you for your insight.

I was really looking forward to it but sadly it isn't for me. 250mg isn't low in sense that it isn't TRT but it was sort of cost and benefit analysis. My natural test range isn't that bad. The reason I got on it in the first place was just to enhance recovery and propel my ability to build muscle.

The 250mg was a stepping stone for week 9's 450mg Test and 225mg EQ. I could withstand all other side effects other than the heart. Literally my entire cycle was planned around side effects. I didn't pick 19nors because I'm prone to anxiety and didn't want anything to effect my mind further. I avoided any DHT derived compound due to risk hair loss. Whole plan was to buik with Test and EQ and cut with Test/Tbol.

I'm thankful at least I didn't load myself up with EQ. If there's any good that came from this post is always start with Test and Test only. Now I know EQ would have made my anxiety even worse and spiked my Hemoglobin worse.

Everything in life is learning

You’re a pretty smart guy. You figured all of this out. Your research pointed you correctly, pretty much. And you have the ability to see the situation you’re in clearly, rather than just freak out or rationalize or try to double down.

Most people really want to do gear for the sake of it. Not you. Your motivation is very similar to my own reasons initially. And from my experience I think you can get most of what you want from eating more.

 

[ceo]

Yes, I have anxiety before.

Bros, you need to fix your anxiety before you touch steroids. From there you'll have better results.

 

[LevButlerov]

I have done blood work prior to starting Test

Test: 405ng/ml
Free test: 72ng/ml
E2: 37

My current readings don't stay high at all times. It changes by the hours. The evenings are the worse in terms. All signs point to Test causing excess red blood cells. I went to donate today and they refused since they couldn't get my pulse rate below 100. They did however say my hemoglobin was 17. I believe that's the highest in normal range.

Highest:

Sys: 155
Dia: 79
Pulse: 122

Lowest I got:

Sys: 124
Sys: 74
Pulse: 88


Right now I'm just running for 45 minutes and keeping my hear rate above 160. I log all my food and maintaining my current body weight. I'm 6.2ft and 183ib.

please share the actual bloods paper

 

[2Thick]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

Donating blood is always a good idea, but you don't want to do it during PCT. You need every red blood cell you can during that time so your body can fully recover.

 

[Ulter]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

Some people work better with Clomid and some people work better with Nolvadex. It just depends on each person's situation.

 

[ROIDDERS]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

I wouldn't give up on steroids. Maybe next time do a little more research and get a log going. This way we can help you get tracked and keep things going.

 

[Tiger Salman Khan]

share the blood report with us....and keep yourself calm....

 

[Gh9]

I'm one of the unlucky individuals who get side effects easily. I got on 250mg Test C and this week my BP rose by 12 and heart rate is up by 20-25. I'm anxious alll the time and restless. Now this could be due to few things such as E2 or rise in red blood cells.

I sat down today and thought over. If such a small does means this then how the hell am I can going to do EQ and 450mg of test. I have not injected today and my focus right now is to ride this out.


I got Clomid but I don't think I will need it since I haven't been on it for long. I will be donating blood next week so hopefully that helps.


But I learned quickly that this isnt the life I want. I don't want to worry about red blood cells or BP.

What advice can you offer me on restarting my natural production? My balls have shrunk in week 2 and 3.

Sorry to hear that. Definitely get bloodwork to check what your e2 is and don’t worry about your rbc too much. It’s unlikely to have risen significantly after just 4 weeks. If I had to guess it’s probably estrogen related, I have anxiety too and am prescribed pregabalin for it, but the first sign I notice of my e2 becoming high is my anxiety starts getting significantly worse. At that point I’ll take .5mg of arimidex ed until it gets better. Best of luck brother

 

[mistermanshas]

Update:

Anxiety has decreased a bit and I can sleep now at night. Still higher BP and heart rate than usual but it has only been 3 days. I still have 37 days before I start PCT.

I have decided to not use Clomid for PCT since I don't want to aromotize or cause gyno. I heard gyno can return even years after surgery. Just ordered tamoxifen and waiting for it to be delivered. Overall I'm feeling better and learning to control my anxiety. I found jogging for 30-45 minutes really helps me.

I will be getting blood work on July 4th and will post it here. Then start running PCT on July 5th consisting of 20mg of tamoxifen per day for 8 weeks ending on August 30. On October 5, I will get my final blood work and share it with you guys.

Thanks and have a blessed day.

 

[LevButlerov]

Update:

Anxiety has decreased a bit and I can sleep now at night. Still higher BP and heart rate than usual but it has only been 3 days. I still have 37 days before I start PCT.

I have decided to not use Clomid for PCT since I don't want to aromotize or cause gyno. I heard gyno can return even years after surgery. Just ordered tamoxifen and waiting for it to be delivered. Overall I'm feeling better and learning to control my anxiety. I found jogging for 30-45 minutes really helps me.

I will be getting blood work on July 4th and will post it here. Then start running PCT on July 5th consisting of 20mg of tamoxifen per day for 8 weeks ending on August 30. On October 5, I will get my final blood work and share it with you guys.

Thanks and have a blessed day.

You should really start a log asap before you even go into PCT so you dont make mistakes tbh @mistermanshas