Second Cycle Options - Test/EQ?

jcampbell · May 26, 2026

26 / 5f10 / 75kg currently – Looking for advice on second cycle for lean, keepable gains

Hey guys,

Just looking for some opinions from people who’ve actually run longer, lower-dose lean bulk cycles and had decent results from them.

Quick background:

26 years old
Currently sitting around 75kg after a cut
First cycle was 350mg test only for 20 weeks
Got up to my heaviest at 87kg
After the cycle I cruised on 150mg TRT for about 8 weeks while deciding whether I wanted to blast/cruise long term or fully come off
Ended up deciding to PCT because I’d rather keep trying proper cycles while recovery still works, then think about TRT later down the line if needed

Honestly recovery went way better than I expected:

Around 3 weeks after PCT my bloodwork/test levels were already back around my old mid-normal natural range
Muscles filled back out pretty quickly once hormones normalized again
Settled around 83kg after PCT before starting my cut

Spent the last couple months cutting and obviously lost a bit of size, but overall I actually look a lot better now — leaner, tighter, and happier with the physique overall (photos attached).

For this next cycle I’m not really chasing crazy scale weight or that super watery “big” look. More interested in:

clean lean tissue
slower gains I can realistically hold onto
low side effects
something manageable over a longer run (thinking around 20 weeks again)

Current idea:

350 test
175 EQ

Main reason for EQ is that primo is ridiculously expensive.

Also tossing up adding either:

Anavar for the first 6 weeks
OR
Tbol for the first 6 weeks

Main questions:

Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?
Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?
Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?
Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?
And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

Would appreciate advice from people who’ve actually done similar cycles rather than just repeating theory online.

rizzlekdizzle · May 26, 2026

Cycle set up ain't bad - 16 weeks will be fine. For some even a 2:1 test/EQ ratio will still nuke their E2. I don't think thats too low - could always go 400T/200EQ. You could always go test and deca at the same ratio - you shouldn't blow up - it certainly worked for me.
Var - run it at the back end for the last 6 weeks.

jcampbell · May 27, 2026

rizzlekdizzle said:
Cycle set up ain't bad - 16 weeks will be fine. For some even a 2:1 test/EQ ratio will still nuke their E2. I don't think thats too low - could always go 400T/200EQ. You could always go test and deca at the same ratio - you shouldn't blow up - it certainly worked for me.
Var - run it at the back end for the last 6 weeks.

I needed 25mg of aromisin a week on that dose so I assume I convert easily. Better off lowering the EQ ? And move up if no low E symptoms? I’d love to run deca or npp but I don’t feel confident managing progrestone and won’t be able to come off if I chose decca. Plus reading horror stories of the mental sides can be intimidating. Any experience of tbol vs anavar? After research the back end might be the go to not mess health markers up at the start of cycle. Thanks for the reply

LevButlerov · May 27, 2026

jcampbell said:
26 / 5f10 / 75kg currently – Looking for advice on second cycle for lean, keepable gains

Hey guys,

Just looking for some opinions from people who’ve actually run longer, lower-dose lean bulk cycles and had decent results from them.

Quick background:

26 years old

Currently sitting around 75kg after a cut

First cycle was 350mg test only for 20 weeks

Got up to my heaviest at 87kg

After the cycle I cruised on 150mg TRT for about 8 weeks while deciding whether I wanted to blast/cruise long term or fully come off

Ended up deciding to PCT because I’d rather keep trying proper cycles while recovery still works, then think about TRT later down the line if needed

Honestly recovery went way better than I expected:

Around 3 weeks after PCT my bloodwork/test levels were already back around my old mid-normal natural range

Muscles filled back out pretty quickly once hormones normalized again

Settled around 83kg after PCT before starting my cut

Spent the last couple months cutting and obviously lost a bit of size, but overall I actually look a lot better now — leaner, tighter, and happier with the physique overall (photos attached).

For this next cycle I’m not really chasing crazy scale weight or that super watery “big” look. More interested in:

clean lean tissue

slower gains I can realistically hold onto

low side effects

something manageable over a longer run (thinking around 20 weeks again)

Current idea:

350 test

175 EQ

Main reason for EQ is that primo is ridiculously expensive.

Also tossing up adding either:

Anavar for the first 6 weeks
OR

Tbol for the first 6 weeks

Main questions:

Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?

Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?

Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?

Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?

And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

Would appreciate advice from people who’ve actually done similar cycles rather than just repeating theory online.

jcampbell said:
I needed 25mg of aromisin a week on that dose so I assume I convert easily. Better off lowering the EQ ? And move up if no low E symptoms? I’d love to run deca or npp but I don’t feel confident managing progrestone and won’t be able to come off if I chose decca. Plus reading horror stories of the mental sides can be intimidating. Any experience of tbol vs anavar? After research the back end might be the go to not mess health markers up at the start of cycle. Thanks for the reply

Good to see you sharing with the EVO family

@jcampbell

jcampbell said:
Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?

I would stick to test and anavar

jcampbell said:
Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?

anavar and you can add tbol later

jcampbell said:
Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?

eq for sure

jcampbell said:
And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

20 weeks is reasonaable

jcampbell said:
Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?

Yes its worth it even at 50-100mgs

but what you need to do is start a log now even before the cycle because we need your day to day bodyweight, calories and macros, training numbers, sleep, BP, and labs so we can actually dial the EQ and aromasin and stop guessing. We dont even know your pre cycle log and we are guessing on this as well tbh. 15min to start a pre cycle log where we talk about dialing in.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.
Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.
The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.
Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.
It will take 15-20 minutes max.
We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.
Please post a Log Journal asap for us

stevesmi · May 27, 2026

jcampbell said:
26 / 5f10 / 75kg currently – Looking for advice on second cycle for lean, keepable gains

Hey guys,

Just looking for some opinions from people who’ve actually run longer, lower-dose lean bulk cycles and had decent results from them.

Quick background:

26 years old

Currently sitting around 75kg after a cut

First cycle was 350mg test only for 20 weeks

Got up to my heaviest at 87kg

After the cycle I cruised on 150mg TRT for about 8 weeks while deciding whether I wanted to blast/cruise long term or fully come off

Ended up deciding to PCT because I’d rather keep trying proper cycles while recovery still works, then think about TRT later down the line if needed

Honestly recovery went way better than I expected:

Around 3 weeks after PCT my bloodwork/test levels were already back around my old mid-normal natural range

Muscles filled back out pretty quickly once hormones normalized again

Settled around 83kg after PCT before starting my cut

Spent the last couple months cutting and obviously lost a bit of size, but overall I actually look a lot better now — leaner, tighter, and happier with the physique overall (photos attached).

For this next cycle I’m not really chasing crazy scale weight or that super watery “big” look. More interested in:

clean lean tissue

slower gains I can realistically hold onto

low side effects

something manageable over a longer run (thinking around 20 weeks again)

Current idea:

350 test

175 EQ

Main reason for EQ is that primo is ridiculously expensive.

Also tossing up adding either:

Anavar for the first 6 weeks
OR

Tbol for the first 6 weeks

Main questions:

Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?

Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?

Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?

Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?

And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

Would appreciate advice from people who’ve actually done similar cycles rather than just repeating theory online.

@jcampbell 350 test and 175 eq would work. i like adding an oral to it. that will be perfectly fine

Mobster · May 28, 2026

Key to KEEPING gains is NOT the steroids used on cycle. It's the diet and training after

jcampbell · May 28, 2026

LevButlerov said:
Good to see you sharing with the EVO family @jcampbell

I would stick to test and anavar

anavar and you can add tbol later

eq for sure

20 weeks is reasonaable

Yes its worth it even at 50-100mgs

but what you need to do is start a log now even before the cycle because we need your day to day bodyweight, calories and macros, training numbers, sleep, BP, and labs so we can actually dial the EQ and aromasin and stop guessing. We dont even know your pre cycle log and we are guessing on this as well tbh. 15min to start a pre cycle log where we talk about dialing in.

HOW-TO LOG?

Why is a Log Journal important?

Doing a log will actually help you way more than just dropping random updates. When you lay it all out week by week you start to see patterns in your body that you won’t catch otherwise.

Other guys here run logs all the time and there’s no privacy issue, nobody is asking for your name or anything personal, it is just training, diet, and how the compound feels.

The feedback you get is also way better because people can follow along and spot things you might miss. It also helps the next guy who is thinking about running the same compound so you are giving back while you learn.

Even if you think you might not stick with it, just starting the log makes it easier to come back and add quick notes. That way you get more out of what you are running instead of keeping it all in your head.

To really guide you we need more info from you:

Please share your diet, training, cardio, sleep, supplements etc log with us in a NEW thread, full log journal so our guidance is based on facts you provide.

It will take 15-20 minutes max.

We have 100s of years of experience between us, so you need to post a LOG Journal with your stats (weight,height,age, years training, cycle history) diet, training, cardio, supplement, sleep details. If you don't log what you eat or train now, open NOTES on phone and start recording it there and paste here. Very easy.

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My PRE cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

here are examples of LOG Journals
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/first-testosterone-cycle-log.104133/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/sustanon-trenomast-deca-dbol-cycle-journal.105881/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/s-gentz-2025-26-growth-phase-log-with-psl.106514/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...var-bpc157-beligas-pharmaqo-cycle-log.104843/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...g-log-sponsored-by-purity-source-labs.103669/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...erone-cycle-and-beginner-training-log.106310/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/average-trt-back-to-savage-cycle-journal.106252
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...-testosterone-masteron-primobolan-deca.105348
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...odybuilding-log-masters-55-competitor.102611/
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums...ron-npp-tren-anadrol-log-to-stage-2025.102590

I appreciate the reply and feedback! I’ll definitely start a log after holidays as im in Phillipines for a month starting Monday. I could actually log over there. That might even be the plan to fill my time in as I’ll still be training most days. Thanks

jcampbell · May 28, 2026

Mobster said:
Key to KEEPING gains is NOT the steroids used on cycle. It's the diet and training after

Yeah it was tough coming off last time and had to drag myself to the gym for the first few weeks but I stayed disciplined and looking back it was worth it !

jcampbell · May 28, 2026

stevesmi said:
@jcampbell 350 test and 175 eq would work. i like adding an oral to it. that will be perfectly fine

Kick start or back end of cycle ? Never used orals before

LevButlerov · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
I appreciate the reply and feedback! I’ll definitely start a log after holidays as im in Phillipines for a month starting Monday. I could actually log over there. That might even be the plan to fill my time in as I’ll still be training most days. Thanks

You should start a log asap not wait for a month

you can easily log in PH just share training food @jcampbell

jcampbell · May 28, 2026

LevButlerov said:
You should start a log asap not wait for a month you can easily log in PH just share training food @jcampbell

Yep I will after having a think about it.. I’m looking forward to it

jcampbell · May 28, 2026

LevButlerov said:
You should start a log asap not wait for a month you can easily log in PH just share training food @jcampbell

Just started my log !

stevesmi · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
Kick start or back end of cycle ? Never used orals before

Either way

Ulter · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
26 / 5f10 / 75kg currently – Looking for advice on second cycle for lean, keepable gains

Hey guys,

Just looking for some opinions from people who’ve actually run longer, lower-dose lean bulk cycles and had decent results from them.

Quick background:

26 years old

Currently sitting around 75kg after a cut

First cycle was 350mg test only for 20 weeks

Got up to my heaviest at 87kg

After the cycle I cruised on 150mg TRT for about 8 weeks while deciding whether I wanted to blast/cruise long term or fully come off

Ended up deciding to PCT because I’d rather keep trying proper cycles while recovery still works, then think about TRT later down the line if needed

Honestly recovery went way better than I expected:

Around 3 weeks after PCT my bloodwork/test levels were already back around my old mid-normal natural range

Muscles filled back out pretty quickly once hormones normalized again

Settled around 83kg after PCT before starting my cut

Spent the last couple months cutting and obviously lost a bit of size, but overall I actually look a lot better now — leaner, tighter, and happier with the physique overall (photos attached).

For this next cycle I’m not really chasing crazy scale weight or that super watery “big” look. More interested in:

clean lean tissue

slower gains I can realistically hold onto

low side effects

something manageable over a longer run (thinking around 20 weeks again)

Current idea:

350 test

175 EQ

Main reason for EQ is that primo is ridiculously expensive.

Also tossing up adding either:

Anavar for the first 6 weeks
OR

Tbol for the first 6 weeks

Main questions:

Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?

Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?

Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?

Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?

And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

Would appreciate advice from people who’ve actually done similar cycles rather than just repeating theory online.

You could reverse things and put the EQ at a higher dosage in the testosterone to let the EQ shine.

jcampbell · May 28, 2026

Ulter said:
You could reverse things and put the EQ at a higher dosage in the testosterone to let the EQ shine.

Is crashing Estrogen an issue though ? I would be keen as I assume not as many side affects as half as Androgenic as test. Have you run higher eq then test before ?

Ulter · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
Is crashing Estrogen an issue though ? I would be keen as I assume not as many side affects as half as Androgenic as test. Have you run higher eq then test before ?

I've always done it that way and I never had crashed estrogen but hey, everybody is different.

LevButlerov · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
Just started my log !

in my mod que 24 hours

2Thick · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
26 / 5f10 / 75kg currently – Looking for advice on second cycle for lean, keepable gains

Hey guys,

Just looking for some opinions from people who’ve actually run longer, lower-dose lean bulk cycles and had decent results from them.

Quick background:

26 years old

Currently sitting around 75kg after a cut

First cycle was 350mg test only for 20 weeks

Got up to my heaviest at 87kg

After the cycle I cruised on 150mg TRT for about 8 weeks while deciding whether I wanted to blast/cruise long term or fully come off

Ended up deciding to PCT because I’d rather keep trying proper cycles while recovery still works, then think about TRT later down the line if needed

Honestly recovery went way better than I expected:

Around 3 weeks after PCT my bloodwork/test levels were already back around my old mid-normal natural range

Muscles filled back out pretty quickly once hormones normalized again

Settled around 83kg after PCT before starting my cut

Spent the last couple months cutting and obviously lost a bit of size, but overall I actually look a lot better now — leaner, tighter, and happier with the physique overall (photos attached).

For this next cycle I’m not really chasing crazy scale weight or that super watery “big” look. More interested in:

clean lean tissue

slower gains I can realistically hold onto

low side effects

something manageable over a longer run (thinking around 20 weeks again)

Current idea:

350 test

175 EQ

Main reason for EQ is that primo is ridiculously expensive.

Also tossing up adding either:

Anavar for the first 6 weeks
OR

Tbol for the first 6 weeks

Main questions:

Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?

Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?

Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?

Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?

And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

Would appreciate advice from people who’ve actually done similar cycles rather than just repeating theory online.

I'm seeing a lot of people using equipoise these days. It's really coming on strong because it's a very versatile steroid. I think you'll enjoy it.

ROIDDERS · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
I needed 25mg of aromisin a week on that dose so I assume I convert easily. Better off lowering the EQ ? And move up if no low E symptoms? I’d love to run deca or npp but I don’t feel confident managing progrestone and won’t be able to come off if I chose decca. Plus reading horror stories of the mental sides can be intimidating. Any experience of tbol vs anavar? After research the back end might be the go to not mess health markers up at the start of cycle. Thanks for the reply

you need to adjust things to suit you. everyone converts different and your body does change. don't be afraid to do things your own way if that makes sense

ceo · May 28, 2026

jcampbell said:
26 / 5f10 / 75kg currently – Looking for advice on second cycle for lean, keepable gains

Hey guys,

Just looking for some opinions from people who’ve actually run longer, lower-dose lean bulk cycles and had decent results from them.

Quick background:

26 years old

Currently sitting around 75kg after a cut

First cycle was 350mg test only for 20 weeks

Got up to my heaviest at 87kg

After the cycle I cruised on 150mg TRT for about 8 weeks while deciding whether I wanted to blast/cruise long term or fully come off

Ended up deciding to PCT because I’d rather keep trying proper cycles while recovery still works, then think about TRT later down the line if needed

Honestly recovery went way better than I expected:

Around 3 weeks after PCT my bloodwork/test levels were already back around my old mid-normal natural range

Muscles filled back out pretty quickly once hormones normalized again

Settled around 83kg after PCT before starting my cut

Spent the last couple months cutting and obviously lost a bit of size, but overall I actually look a lot better now — leaner, tighter, and happier with the physique overall (photos attached).

For this next cycle I’m not really chasing crazy scale weight or that super watery “big” look. More interested in:

clean lean tissue

slower gains I can realistically hold onto

low side effects

something manageable over a longer run (thinking around 20 weeks again)

Current idea:

350 test

175 EQ

Main reason for EQ is that primo is ridiculously expensive.

Also tossing up adding either:

Anavar for the first 6 weeks
OR

Tbol for the first 6 weeks

Main questions:

Would you just stick with test only again since I responded well the first time?

Is EQ even worth running at 175mg or is that too low to notice much other than a AI?

Anavar vs Tbol for a lean bulk/recomp style setup?

Any other compounds you’d recommend that are relatively low-side-effect for slow quality gains?

And is another 20-week run reasonable for this kind of approach?

Would appreciate advice from people who’ve actually done similar cycles rather than just repeating theory online.

Bros, you should do fine on this. Anavar and TBol, that's a tough choice. Anavar, though, would get my vote but it's a little more expensive.

ballin2504 · May 28, 2026

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