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chop09333

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Hi all.

My apologies about going MIA on my first cycle log. In the end I did drop to 250mg test and I suppose it went OK. That put my bloods at around 2000 pmol/l and it went OK. Although I still had spicy nips and was chasing down e2 the whole time with aromasin.

I'm cycling down to 150 test now, and thinking about running a cycle a bit differently next time. Which won't be far away I imagine, because my bloods are almost in check.

I'm thinking of running 400 test and 400 mast to combat the heavy aromatizing and keep fluid down for just hard gains.

Would like to hear any advice or ideas. Also can I pin test c and mast e in the same barrel.

Thanks fellas.
 
Hey mate

I’m a big fan of 1:1 at low doses, to find a good base point for the first 4 weeks of a cycle. To understand what the body does at those low doses.

Masteron will lower mineral retention not directly but controlling E2, It will stop E2 binding to the E2B Receptors causing gyno at lower doses, based on individual response. You may be a person with high aldosterone levels and retain more electrolytes, where test will further increase electrolyte retention and the mast is simply not high enough to deal with that. Never rely on steroids to lower water retention. It’s a secondary characteristic through mitigation of E2, which will throw sodium, potassium, magnesium and other electrolytes out. Masteron is not a water pill, but SERM initially to stop breast cancer growth at target tissues. Because it stops aromatisation in people with high E2( as high E2 can result in higher IGF1 and make it bound therefore useless resulting in potential cancer growth) it will stop the conversion and allow more test to be utilised. DHT cannot interact with any cancerous cells therefore allows the drug to work perfectly Decreases cortisol and SHBG for more free test as explained above.

You will need to ensure your diet is suited to your goals, cardio will be a large player in keeping fluid moving, and the right macros and micros to keep you healthy full and lean. Diet will keep the water off, or your need to get lean first in order to obtain the look you want.

Androgens in nature hold fluid, you just need to learn how to shift the fluid balance appropriately through diet and exercise. The drugs are the cherry on top.

Would like to see what you look like. People who are heavily muscled at low body fat will not aromatise or retain the fluid you think. People with higher bodyfat levels will retain more fluid due to aromatisation rate, body fat stores and its occupants within the cell, Blood pressure, aldosterone and having less muscle will result in a more watery look.

Diet is key: 🔑

Hope this gives you a background of masteron and some guidance on where to look next 💪💪
 
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chop09333 said:
Hi all.

My apologies about going MIA on my first cycle log. In the end I did drop to 250mg test and I suppose it went OK. That put my bloods at around 2000 pmol/l and it went OK. Although I still had spicy nips and was chasing down e2 the whole time with aromasin.

I'm cycling down to 150 test now, and thinking about running a cycle a bit differently next time. Which won't be far away I imagine, because my bloods are almost in check.

I'm thinking of running 400 test and 400 mast to combat the heavy aromatizing and keep fluid down for just hard gains.

Would like to hear any advice or ideas. Also can I pin test c and mast e in the same barrel.

Thanks fellas.
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@chop09333 welcome back to the EVO family we truly missed you man :) sad you left us mid cycle and never updated
but good to see you back
I kept checking your log but nothing sad :cry:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-cypionate-proviron-cycle-log.100518/

I think test/mast is a good move but 1:1 is not my thing, you should go 300mgs testosterone sports TRT+ and 200mgs masteron to start off
BUT before that, can you restart your testosterone log for the EVO family? so we can guide you into a blast, it would help a lot man :)

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@chop09333 welcome back to the EVO family we truly missed you man :) sad you left us mid cycle and never updated
but good to see you back
I kept checking your log but nothing sad :cry:
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-cypionate-proviron-cycle-log.100518/

I think test/mast is a good move but 1:1 is not my thing, you should go 300mgs testosterone sports TRT+ and 200mgs masteron to start off
BUT before that, can you restart your testosterone log for the EVO family? so we can guide you into a blast, it would help a lot man :)

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle
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I know. It wasn't going well and it got a bit much mate. By restart, do you mean log now that I'm just cruising 150 or fill you guys in a bit on how 250 went?
 
chop09333 said:
I know. It wasn't going well and it got a bit much mate. By restart, do you mean log now that I'm just cruising 150 or fill you guys in a bit on how 250 went?
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yea restart the log with testosterone only 150mgs cruise and we move into the blast from there @chop09333
 
Eddie Haskell said:
yea restart the log with testosterone only 150mgs cruise and we move into the blast from there @chop09333
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Roger. Curious as to why the suggestion on 300 test and 200 mast also? I know some people can have low e2 issues at 1:1, but I highly doubt that'll be an issue with me.
 
AE1079 said:
Hey mate

I’m a big fan of 1:1 at low doses, to find a good base point for the first 4 weeks of a cycle. To understand what the body does at those low doses.

Masteron will lower mineral retention not directly but controlling E2, It will stop E2 binding to the E2B Receptors causing gyno at lower doses, based on individual response. You may be a person with high aldosterone levels and retain more electrolytes, where test will further increase electrolyte retention and the mast is simply not high enough to deal with that. Never rely on steroids to lower water retention. It’s a secondary characteristic through mitigation of E2, which will throw sodium, potassium, magnesium and other electrolytes out. Masteron is not a water pill, but SERM initially to stop breast cancer growth at target tissues. Because it stops aromatisation in people with high E2( as high E2 can result in higher IGF1 and make it bound therefore useless resulting in potential cancer growth) it will stop the conversion and allow more test to be utilised. DHT cannot interact with any cancerous cells therefore allows the drug to work perfectly Decreases cortisol and SHBG for more free test as explained above.

You will need to ensure your diet is suited to your goals, cardio will be a large player in keeping fluid moving, and the right macros and micros to keep you healthy full and lean. Diet will keep the water off, or your need to get lean first in order to obtain the look you want.

Androgens in nature hold fluid, you just need to learn how to shift the fluid balance appropriately through diet and exercise. The drugs are the cherry on top.

Would like to see what you look like. People who are heavily muscled at low body fat will not aromatise or retain the fluid you think. People with higher bodyfat levels will retain more fluid due to aromatisation rate, body fat stores and its occupants within the cell, Blood pressure, aldosterone and having less muscle will result in a more watery look.

Diet is key: 🔑

Hope this gives you a background of masteron and some guidance on where to look next 💪💪
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That gives me alot of insite, thanks mate. Any tips on diet regarding fluid?
 
Fluid should honestly be the least of your worries.. focus on hitting your meals consistently everyday. Cardio, training and sleeping well. Fluid dispersion is nothing to worry about.. if your unhappy with the way you look on cycle, then it’s always best to start losing bodyfat.

I’m sorry if that’s not the awnser you’re looking for but it’s the truth.
 
chop09333 said:
Roger. Curious as to why the suggestion on 300 test and 200 mast also? I know some people can have low e2 issues at 1:1, but I highly doubt that'll be an issue with me.
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200-300 is nuance. Makes no difference and is semantics.

Choose a dose, get bloods and adjust.
 
AE1079 said:
Calorie deficit, carbs should be brought down. Watch sodium.
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Roger that. Pretty much what I'm doing now, since I dropped my dose, and it's cutting a bit off pretty quickly. I've lost 3-4kg in a week, of mostly fluid I'm assuming. I think this cycle will be an awesome way to recomp by the sounds of it.
 
AE1079 said:
Fluid should honestly be the least of your worries.. focus on hitting your meals consistently everyday. Cardio, training and sleeping well. Fluid dispersion is nothing to worry about.. if your unhappy with the way you look on cycle, then it’s always best to start losing bodyfat.

I’m sorry if that’s not the awnser you’re looking for but it’s the truth.
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Yeah I hear you. The fluid on cycle worries me as far as health goes more so than aesthetics man.
 
have you gotten BP checked ?
Any previous bloods? If you have high electrolyte retention off gear, it will be exacerbated on gear.

And if so maybe you should focus on just getting healthy before using test again.. high fluid retention is not a good sign of kidney function. High aldosterone levels can be problematic. I would suggest getting bloods before starting anything as a precaution.. do you have pics of your physique?
 
AE1079 said:
have you gotten BP checked ?
Any previous bloods? If you have high electrolyte retention off gear, it will be exacerbated on gear.

And if so maybe you should focus on just getting healthy before using test again.. high fluid retention is not a good sign of kidney function. High aldosterone levels can be problematic. I would suggest getting bloods before starting anything as a precaution.. do you have pics of your physique?
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I got bloods done quite a few times during the 250 test cycle yeah. Test was at 2000 and e2 was under 100, but it took 12.5 aromasin ed to do that. Cholesterol was within range most of the cycle, but ast and alt liver enzymes were elevated. As was urea in kidneys. I don't know what my bloods looked like really before hopping on, but I don't plan to start the cycle without getting them in check.
 

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chop09333 said:
Roger. Curious as to why the suggestion on 300 test and 200 mast also? I know some people can have low e2 issues at 1:1, but I highly doubt that'll be an issue with me.
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@chop09333 I like that ratio from experience but you can boost 300:300 test:mast but start with 300/200 and can move up
lets first start the LOG going man :) then we move from there
 
Eddie Haskell said:
@chop09333 I like that ratio from experience but you can boost 300:300 test:mast but start with 300/200 and can move up
lets first start the LOG going man :) then we move from there
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Do you have reasoning for a 200 mast instead of 300? He’s a high aromatiser.. 200 won’t do much and will waste time. If he needs 12.5 mg aromasin he will need at least 300-400 mast to get any prolific effect on target cells.

Please give OP good backing behind 200mast 300 test. Justify it and actually help instead throwing out arbitrary numbers. Don’t bro science it.
 
@chop09333 I have just read bloods and E2 was still high on aromasin. I suggest you start on 300mg for any effect. Aromasin is made for blocking e2 at the receptor site and to remove aromatise enzyme . If you can’t lower to mid range with that then you will need higher mast to get some benefit out of it.

Watch your liver, ALT and AST is high on cycle. Ensure you reduces trans fats and sugar. Clean the diet up for sure, supplement with Tudca, milk thistle and dandelion root for bile flow to break down fats from the liver, this will relieve the pressure from the gall bladder to.

@Eddie Haskell what else you suggest according to his bloods mate? Anything that stands out to your expertise champ?
 
AE1079 said:
@chop09333 I have just read bloods and E2 was still high on aromasin. I suggest you start on 300mg for any effect. Aromasin is made for blocking e2 at the receptor site and to remove aromatise enzyme . If you can’t lower to mid range with that then you will need higher mast to get some benefit out of it.

Watch your liver, ALT and AST is high on cycle. Ensure you reduces trans fats and sugar. Clean the diet up for sure, supplement with Tudca, milk thistle and dandelion root for bile flow to break down fats from the liver, this will relieve the pressure from the gall bladder to.

@Eddie Haskell what else you suggest according to his bloods mate? Anything that stands out to your expertise champ?
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From what i gathered the bloods are saying "below 100" and not giving a specific reading under that. Am I not wrong on that one?
 
chop09333 said:
From what i gathered the bloods are saying "below 100" and not giving a specific reading under that. Am I not wrong on that one?
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I saw that, that’s poor from the labs.

Midrange is about 30-50 in males.

How did you feel on cycle the last time? Moods good? Pumps good? Johnson working? Joints not achey? Not depressed?
 
AE1079 said:
Do you have reasoning for a 200 mast instead of 300? He’s a high aromatiser.. 200 won’t do much and will waste time. If he needs 12.5 mg aromasin he will need at least 300-400 mast to get any prolific effect on target cells.

Please give OP good backing behind 200mast 300 test. Justify it and actually help instead throwing out arbitrary numbers. Don’t bro science it.
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yes very good reason, do you have a reason why he should do more? I dont see the need @AE1079
200mgs masteron is enough of an anti-estrogen, and if he needs more he can adjust, instead of crashing his E2 and causing serious sides

aromasin is a better option for estrogen control instead of using steroids which are anti-estrogenic but far from an ai
 
AE1079 said:
I saw that, that’s poor from the labs.

Midrange is about 30-50 in males.

How did you feel on cycle the last time? Moods good? Pumps good? Johnson working? Joints not achey? Not depressed?
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Yeah was all good other than the spicy nips, fluid retention. Fluid didn't seem to be building up anywhere in particular though. I did take more aromasin in an effort to get rid of the spicy nips and then I got achy joints and felt a bit rough. Two days later I got a sensitive e2 done and came back at 115. So that tells you just how quick my e2 comes up.
 
Eddie Haskell said:
yes very good reason, do you have a reason why he should do more? I dont see the need @AE1079
200mgs masteron is enough of an anti-estrogen, and if he needs more he can adjust, instead of crashing his E2 and causing serious sides

aromasin is a better option for estrogen control instead of using steroids which are anti-estrogenic but far from an ai
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Without getting in the middle here, in my case I'd have to say I think 1:1 will be ok. I'm a ridiculously high aromatiser, and once my e2 comes up, I can't get rid of the spicy nips without tamoxifen, and I have pre-existing gyno. So I'd risk the low e2. Don't get me wrong, I still want to hear your advice aswell bro.
 
chop09333 said:
Without getting in the middle here, in my case I'd have to say I think 1:1 will be ok. I'm a ridiculously high aromatiser, and once my e2 comes up, I can't get rid of the spicy nips without tamoxifen, and I have pre-existing gyno. So I'd risk the low e2. Don't get me wrong, I still want to hear your advice aswell bro.
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thats fine as well you can do 1:1 but you should be using Aromasin instead of just trying to level out with masteron @chop09333
at least light dose, especially you have pre existing gyno, masteron will not control E2 to that level
 
Eddie Haskell said:
thats fine as well you can do 1:1 but you should be using Aromasin instead of just trying to level out with masteron @chop09333
at least light dose, especially you have pre existing gyno, masteron will not control E2 to that level
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Oh I will be bro. I'll be starting with aromasin aswell, and if I get low e2 sides, then so be it. I'll taper the aromasin back from there. I bounce back quick anyway.
 
chop09333 said:
Hi all.

My apologies about going MIA on my first cycle log. In the end I did drop to 250mg test and I suppose it went OK. That put my bloods at around 2000 pmol/l and it went OK. Although I still had spicy nips and was chasing down e2 the whole time with aromasin.

I'm cycling down to 150 test now, and thinking about running a cycle a bit differently next time. Which won't be far away I imagine, because my bloods are almost in check.

I'm thinking of running 400 test and 400 mast to combat the heavy aromatizing and keep fluid down for just hard gains.

Would like to hear any advice or ideas. Also can I pin test c and mast e in the same barrel.

Thanks fellas.
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Be consistent
 
RoidRage69 said:
Do you take Kratom or any other mind altering meds or herbs? You drink booze?
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No nothing these days. I was taking st johns wort, but have stopped completely now. I think your asking due to the gyno. I had pubertal gyno, that is now just small hard to detect lumps. Also took anti depressants throughput my early twentys (I'm 31 now) and have drank my fair share of beer in the past too. As I'm cutting weight over the last week I look down at my chest and it's better already. I think once I get leaner it will help any problems I'm having there as well as look better. There's no big lumps right under the nips, so I don't think it'll stand out more.
 
at the end of the day it's all about flexibility
and it's all about listening to your blood work
 
the guys above gave you great advice
but we really recommend a log
 
the thing is about a log is it will help you avoid mistakes
once you get things started we'll be able to help you
 
test and masteron work great together
it but keep in mind everybody will be a little different so adjustments will need to be made
 
Hey Brother make sure you put up a log
this way we can give you the best tips and tricks
 
you'll be fine on masteron and test
1:1 ratio is generic so you will need to adjust it as you go
 
you can always run prop esters on both
this will give you added flexibility
 
chop09333 said:
Oh I will be bro. I'll be starting with aromasin aswell, and if I get low e2 sides, then so be it. I'll taper the aromasin back from there. I bounce back quick anyway.
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I would do that , the aromasin for sure @chop09333
didnt see your new log thread, you starting it man? :)
 
The guys are right I wouldn’t use mast for this reason. But I do love mast!
 
ballin2504 said:
The guys are right I wouldn’t use mast for this reason. But I do love mast!
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Well hopefully it helps, and hopefully I love it too. I did love the way I felt on priviron so that's a good sign. Hopefully even if it acts as a serm and a feelgood and maybe I'll need less aromasin it'll be a good thing.
 
Great stack but bf needs to be low
 
run the testosterone by itself first, get bloods, then incorporate the mast slowly titrating up based on bloods. bloods = estradiol (e2) level obviously.
 
chop09333 said:
Well hopefully it helps, and hopefully I love it too. I did love the way I felt on priviron so that's a good sign. Hopefully even if it acts as a serm and a feelgood and maybe I'll need less aromasin it'll be a good thing.
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proviron would help with tamoxifen stacked @chop09333

checking your old log will follow up
 
Npcclassicphysique champ said:
you had proviron in original log I would keep going bro @chop09333
here
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-cypionate-proviron-cycle-log.100518/
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Yeah, and at the time I thought it was making things worse, but realistically at the time, I thought alot of things. I don't think it could do any harm on this short cruise right now. But I think the mast 1:1 ratio will be a better bet to help combat e2 for the next cycle. And aromasin aswell more than likely. Will order more proviron asap.
 
chop09333 said:
Yeah, and at the time I thought it was making things worse, but realistically at the time, I thought alot of things. I don't think it could do any harm on this short cruise right now. But I think the mast 1:1 ratio will be a better bet to help combat e2 for the next cycle. And aromasin aswell more than likely. Will order more proviron asap.
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thats the case I agree, want to get you to update your log today as well how was the training? @chop09333
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-cypionate-proviron-cycle-log.100518/
 
Speaking for myself personally anytime I run primo or mast I like it for helping with possible estrogen issues, I wouldn't bank on it as a stand alone, if you convert at high rate I would still include low dose aromasin, or at the very least 1:1 ratio then get bloods and see what you need fo adjust at that point. I know for me i like running primo or mast 1:1 with my test.

Typically for myself I don't need an AI when I'm running test with mast or primo 1:1 I keep my dose moderate and do 300/300, unless I'm running a bridge then I keep test up and other compounds lower and will take an AI .
 
chop09333 said:
Thanks bro. I do aromatize at a ridiculously high rate, so I'll be including an ai. I also plan on being leaner this time so should help. Helps confirm for me that I'm on the right track here.
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Yeah definitely on the right path, always good to try different methods and pull bloods and really get intuitive with your body and knowing how you will respond, for me i could run 200mg trt even when fatter, and my estrogen stays somewhere in the middle of the reference range, now that I am much learner and have mote muscle I know I can easily run without pushing the limits 300mg test a week with 300mg primo and it will control and keep estrogen down without an AI.

Addition of one while doing primo 1:1 made me very tired and lack energy and I knew my estrogen was getting entirety to low, so yeah experiments is how you find out with clinical data to back it with bloods.

I've run two cycles now of test and primo and zero issues with estrogen or gyno or any signs or sides. It all comes with time and experience.
 
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