Test + mast cycle

[chop09333]

Hi all.

My apologies about going MIA on my first cycle log. In the end I did drop to 250mg test and I suppose it went OK. That put my bloods at around 2000 pmol/l and it went OK. Although I still had spicy nips and was chasing down e2 the whole time with aromasin.

I'm cycling down to 150 test now, and thinking about running a cycle a bit differently next time. Which won't be far away I imagine, because my bloods are almost in check.

I'm thinking of running 400 test and 400 mast to combat the heavy aromatizing and keep fluid down for just hard gains.

Would like to hear any advice or ideas. Also can I pin test c and mast e in the same barrel.

Thanks fellas.

 

[AE1079]

Hey mate

I’m a big fan of 1:1 at low doses, to find a good base point for the first 4 weeks of a cycle. To understand what the body does at those low doses.

Masteron will lower mineral retention not directly but controlling E2, It will stop E2 binding to the E2B Receptors causing gyno at lower doses, based on individual response. You may be a person with high aldosterone levels and retain more electrolytes, where test will further increase electrolyte retention and the mast is simply not high enough to deal with that. Never rely on steroids to lower water retention. It’s a secondary characteristic through mitigation of E2, which will throw sodium, potassium, magnesium and other electrolytes out. Masteron is not a water pill, but SERM initially to stop breast cancer growth at target tissues. Because it stops aromatisation in people with high E2( as high E2 can result in higher IGF1 and make it bound therefore useless resulting in potential cancer growth) it will stop the conversion and allow more test to be utilised. DHT cannot interact with any cancerous cells therefore allows the drug to work perfectly Decreases cortisol and SHBG for more free test as explained above.

You will need to ensure your diet is suited to your goals, cardio will be a large player in keeping fluid moving, and the right macros and micros to keep you healthy full and lean. Diet will keep the water off, or your need to get lean first in order to obtain the look you want.

Androgens in nature hold fluid, you just need to learn how to shift the fluid balance appropriately through diet and exercise. The drugs are the cherry on top.

Would like to see what you look like. People who are heavily muscled at low body fat will not aromatise or retain the fluid you think. People with higher bodyfat levels will retain more fluid due to aromatisation rate, body fat stores and its occupants within the cell, Blood pressure, aldosterone and having less muscle will result in a more watery look.

Diet is key:

Hope this gives you a background of masteron and some guidance on where to look next

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Hi all.

My apologies about going MIA on my first cycle log. In the end I did drop to 250mg test and I suppose it went OK. That put my bloods at around 2000 pmol/l and it went OK. Although I still had spicy nips and was chasing down e2 the whole time with aromasin.

I'm cycling down to 150 test now, and thinking about running a cycle a bit differently next time. Which won't be far away I imagine, because my bloods are almost in check.

I'm thinking of running 400 test and 400 mast to combat the heavy aromatizing and keep fluid down for just hard gains.

Would like to hear any advice or ideas. Also can I pin test c and mast e in the same barrel.

Thanks fellas.

@chop09333 welcome back to the EVO family we truly missed you man sad you left us mid cycle and never updated
but good to see you back
I kept checking your log but nothing sad
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-cypionate-proviron-cycle-log.100518/

I think test/mast is a good move but 1:1 is not my thing, you should go 300mgs testosterone sports TRT+ and 200mgs masteron to start off
BUT before that, can you restart your testosterone log for the EVO family? so we can guide you into a blast, it would help a lot man

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

 

[stevesmi]

don't depend on masteron for that. use an AI or atleast have it on hand

 

[chop09333]

don't depend on masteron for that. use an AI or atleast have it on hand

Oh I will be. Knowing me I'll still need ai.

 

[AE1079]

Get bloods and see if you need a AI, don’t throw it in for the sake of it.

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 welcome back to the EVO family we truly missed you man sad you left us mid cycle and never updated
but good to see you back
I kept checking your log but nothing sad
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/threads/testosterone-cypionate-proviron-cycle-log.100518/

I think test/mast is a good move but 1:1 is not my thing, you should go 300mgs testosterone sports TRT+ and 200mgs masteron to start off
BUT before that, can you restart your testosterone log for the EVO family? so we can guide you into a blast, it would help a lot man

Please post a Log Journal asap for us

Please click the anabolic forum
https://www.evolutionary.org/forums/forums/anabolic-steroids-and-peds.2/
top RIGHT, you see: +POST THREAD
click that

in Title: write your cycle name, like> My _____ Cycle Log
___ = the name of your log
example: My testosterone cycle Log
in body: write your planned cycle or cycle you doing now, your diet, training and we will help you along on your cycle

I know. It wasn't going well and it got a bit much mate. By restart, do you mean log now that I'm just cruising 150 or fill you guys in a bit on how 250 went?

 

[Eddie Haskell]

I know. It wasn't going well and it got a bit much mate. By restart, do you mean log now that I'm just cruising 150 or fill you guys in a bit on how 250 went?

yea restart the log with testosterone only 150mgs cruise and we move into the blast from there @chop09333

 

[chop09333]

yea restart the log with testosterone only 150mgs cruise and we move into the blast from there @chop09333

Roger. Curious as to why the suggestion on 300 test and 200 mast also? I know some people can have low e2 issues at 1:1, but I highly doubt that'll be an issue with me.

 

[chop09333]

Hey mate

I’m a big fan of 1:1 at low doses, to find a good base point for the first 4 weeks of a cycle. To understand what the body does at those low doses.

Masteron will lower mineral retention not directly but controlling E2, It will stop E2 binding to the E2B Receptors causing gyno at lower doses, based on individual response. You may be a person with high aldosterone levels and retain more electrolytes, where test will further increase electrolyte retention and the mast is simply not high enough to deal with that. Never rely on steroids to lower water retention. It’s a secondary characteristic through mitigation of E2, which will throw sodium, potassium, magnesium and other electrolytes out. Masteron is not a water pill, but SERM initially to stop breast cancer growth at target tissues. Because it stops aromatisation in people with high E2( as high E2 can result in higher IGF1 and make it bound therefore useless resulting in potential cancer growth) it will stop the conversion and allow more test to be utilised. DHT cannot interact with any cancerous cells therefore allows the drug to work perfectly Decreases cortisol and SHBG for more free test as explained above.

You will need to ensure your diet is suited to your goals, cardio will be a large player in keeping fluid moving, and the right macros and micros to keep you healthy full and lean. Diet will keep the water off, or your need to get lean first in order to obtain the look you want.

Androgens in nature hold fluid, you just need to learn how to shift the fluid balance appropriately through diet and exercise. The drugs are the cherry on top.

Would like to see what you look like. People who are heavily muscled at low body fat will not aromatise or retain the fluid you think. People with higher bodyfat levels will retain more fluid due to aromatisation rate, body fat stores and its occupants within the cell, Blood pressure, aldosterone and having less muscle will result in a more watery look.

Diet is key:

Hope this gives you a background of masteron and some guidance on where to look next

That gives me alot of insite, thanks mate. Any tips on diet regarding fluid?

 

[AE1079]

That gives me alot of insite, thanks mate. Any tips on diet regarding fluid?

Calorie deficit, carbs should be brought down. Watch sodium.

 

[AE1079]

Fluid should honestly be the least of your worries.. focus on hitting your meals consistently everyday. Cardio, training and sleeping well. Fluid dispersion is nothing to worry about.. if your unhappy with the way you look on cycle, then it’s always best to start losing bodyfat.

I’m sorry if that’s not the awnser you’re looking for but it’s the truth.

 

[AE1079]

Roger. Curious as to why the suggestion on 300 test and 200 mast also? I know some people can have low e2 issues at 1:1, but I highly doubt that'll be an issue with me.

200-300 is nuance. Makes no difference and is semantics.

Choose a dose, get bloods and adjust.

 

[chop09333]

Calorie deficit, carbs should be brought down. Watch sodium.

Roger that. Pretty much what I'm doing now, since I dropped my dose, and it's cutting a bit off pretty quickly. I've lost 3-4kg in a week, of mostly fluid I'm assuming. I think this cycle will be an awesome way to recomp by the sounds of it.

 

[chop09333]

Fluid should honestly be the least of your worries.. focus on hitting your meals consistently everyday. Cardio, training and sleeping well. Fluid dispersion is nothing to worry about.. if your unhappy with the way you look on cycle, then it’s always best to start losing bodyfat.

I’m sorry if that’s not the awnser you’re looking for but it’s the truth.

Yeah I hear you. The fluid on cycle worries me as far as health goes more so than aesthetics man.

 

[AE1079]

have you gotten BP checked ?
Any previous bloods? If you have high electrolyte retention off gear, it will be exacerbated on gear.

And if so maybe you should focus on just getting healthy before using test again.. high fluid retention is not a good sign of kidney function. High aldosterone levels can be problematic. I would suggest getting bloods before starting anything as a precaution.. do you have pics of your physique?

 

[chop09333]

have you gotten BP checked ?
Any previous bloods? If you have high electrolyte retention off gear, it will be exacerbated on gear.

And if so maybe you should focus on just getting healthy before using test again.. high fluid retention is not a good sign of kidney function. High aldosterone levels can be problematic. I would suggest getting bloods before starting anything as a precaution.. do you have pics of your physique?

I got bloods done quite a few times during the 250 test cycle yeah. Test was at 2000 and e2 was under 100, but it took 12.5 aromasin ed to do that. Cholesterol was within range most of the cycle, but ast and alt liver enzymes were elevated. As was urea in kidneys. I don't know what my bloods looked like really before hopping on, but I don't plan to start the cycle without getting them in check.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Roger. Curious as to why the suggestion on 300 test and 200 mast also? I know some people can have low e2 issues at 1:1, but I highly doubt that'll be an issue with me.

@chop09333 I like that ratio from experience but you can boost 300:300 test:mast but start with 300/200 and can move up
lets first start the LOG going man then we move from there

 

[chop09333]

@chop09333 I like that ratio from experience but you can boost 300:300 test:mast but start with 300/200 and can move up
lets first start the LOG going man then we move from there

Thanks mate, will get on it tonight.

 

[Eddie Haskell]

Thanks mate, will get on it tonight.

EVO family is looking to see you back in the family @chop09333