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ROIDDERS said:
I run into guys who never touched the weight in their life and who look absolutely ripped I think jackie chan is an example he never really weight train it's all doing different things like you're saying
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Yeah it surprised me once I got into it, plus having full control of your own body weight feels wicked. Like being able to do muscle ups/flags/ push up burpees etc
 
So just finished my second walk for the day, another 4.2km. Took 55 minutes. 30 minutes of just casual weights.
Hammer curls 8-12x3
Bicep curls 8-12x3
Push-ups 8-12x3
Chin-ups-5-6x2
I was pretty slack with the actual training but hit a solid 8.4km of walking.
Only thing that changed with my diet was no watermelon and a black coffee before my morning walk.
 
KamikazeChaos said:
So today the only thing which has changed with my diet was no watermelon with my breakfast and I had a black coffee. Planning on sticking to this diet plan(not going over on my macros but I’m not to fussed if I go under on some carbs unless you guys think I should keep carbs the same) Going to weigh myself soon, lunch and dinner/dinners will be the same. Between lunch and dinner/dinners I’ll smash out some full body calisthenics and some free weights. Will keep you posted on what exercises I do 💪 cheers everyone this community is fucking mint 👌
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@KamikazeChaos Good going bro...looking forward to legit updates......
 
jerseyshoremuscles said:
Keep it simple. You do not need all those drugs
You only need to use enough testosterone to keep estrogen in normal range. You take a huge dose of testosterone than have to take another drug to control estrogen.

Testosterone and anavar only for cycle
While your testosterone is clearing
Run hcg
Let hcg clear
Now you are ready for pct with clomid
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This right here is some great guidance
 
KamikazeChaos said:
So just finished my second walk for the day, another 4.2km. Took 55 minutes. 30 minutes of just casual weights.
Hammer curls 8-12x3
Bicep curls 8-12x3
Push-ups 8-12x3
Chin-ups-5-6x2
I was pretty slack with the actual training but hit a solid 8.4km of walking.
Only thing that changed with my diet was no watermelon and a black coffee before my morning walk.
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Keep grindin brother.
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Cheers man I’ve kept consist. Woke up today with pretty heavy rain, so don’t know if I’ll be doing my walk unless it clears up a bit. But will figure something out to get some exercise in regardless
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Same trying to atleast get some exercise in. im on the bus to the gym and severely underestimated how much public transit would hurt my torn lat. This is brutal.:ROFLMAO:
 
Shakey said:
Same trying to atleast get some exercise in. im on the bus to the gym and severely underestimated how much public transit would hurt my torn lat. This is brutal.:ROFLMAO:
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Oh bro I feel ya haha, there was times whence was in rehab shoulder to shoulder in the van to the rec centre where I felt like my shoulder was gonna pop out lol. It hard trying to maintain composure in a crowded environment hey. At least you got to the gym man that’s the main thing. Just be sure to stretch it out once you home
 
I havnt weighed myself in a couple weeks, but just over this last 7 days I can feel my core tightening up and instead of feeling bloated I can feel where the fat is hanging off the muscle, my calves on the other hand have blown up, feels wicked. I’ve got spring in my step,I used to always compare my upper arms width with my calves width in diameter but these days my calves are fucking huge. Definitely hitting 17 inch calves. Will give them a measure either today or tomorrow. Upper arms are definitely sitting around the 15-16 inch mark. Want to get them back up to 17 inches at a weight of 90-92kg with body fat of 12-15(just visible 6pack)
I feel like a bit of a clown cause once upon a time I was 94kg with 17inch upper arms and ripped. Now I’m out of shape and re evaluating everything I know about anabolics and hypertrophy training and diet. I guess steroids, meth and fasting might have been a quick go to and was easy to have quick results but the yo yo effects has destroyed me
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Oh bro I feel ya haha, there was times whence was in rehab shoulder to shoulder in the van to the rec centre where I felt like my shoulder was gonna pop out lol. It hard trying to maintain composure in a crowded environment hey. At least you got to the gym man that’s the main thing. Just be sure to stretch it out once you home
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It was mostly just constant activation to stabilize body while the bus swayed around and took the corners hard.

Im still a week or so out from beginin to run daily stretch routines on it. Its been a week and a half since the tear, id rather give it too much time. Lol

Yesterday was my first lifts since the tear, and i can only do legs at the moment. I think another week and i can isolate biceps and triceps on machines as well.
 
KamikazeChaos said:
I havnt weighed myself in a couple weeks, but just over this last 7 days I can feel my core tightening up and instead of feeling bloated I can feel where the fat is hanging off the muscle, my calves on the other hand have blown up, feels wicked. I’ve got spring in my step,I used to always compare my upper arms width with my calves width in diameter but these days my calves are fucking huge. Definitely hitting 17 inch calves. Will give them a measure either today or tomorrow. Upper arms are definitely sitting around the 15-16 inch mark. Want to get them back up to 17 inches at a weight of 90-92kg with body fat of 12-15(just visible 6pack)
I feel like a bit of a clown cause once upon a time I was 94kg with 17inch upper arms and ripped. Now I’m out of shape and re evaluating everything I know about anabolics and hypertrophy training and diet. I guess steroids, meth and fasting might have been a quick go to and was easy to have quick results but the yo yo effects has destroyed me
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Youll definitely smash through your goals bro.
 
KamikazeChaos said:
I havnt weighed myself in a couple weeks, but just over this last 7 days I can feel my core tightening up and instead of feeling bloated I can feel where the fat is hanging off the muscle, my calves on the other hand have blown up, feels wicked. I’ve got spring in my step,I used to always compare my upper arms width with my calves width in diameter but these days my calves are fucking huge. Definitely hitting 17 inch calves. Will give them a measure either today or tomorrow. Upper arms are definitely sitting around the 15-16 inch mark. Want to get them back up to 17 inches at a weight of 90-92kg with body fat of 12-15(just visible 6pack)
I feel like a bit of a clown cause once upon a time I was 94kg with 17inch upper arms and ripped. Now I’m out of shape and re evaluating everything I know about anabolics and hypertrophy training and diet. I guess steroids, meth and fasting might have been a quick go to and was easy to have quick results but the yo yo effects has destroyed me
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feeling more tight is important :D you dont need to feel bad, in time you'll tighten up and get bigger :D EVO family supports and loves you lets push this @KamikazeChaos
 
Update.
Not sure wether to continue on the trt dose of test or just start blasting and cruising. I’ve been doing a lot of research and from what I’ve read about extended meth use and steroid abuse along with penile damage from pulling a catheter out. It may be the truth that I don’t recover and fix my e.d and hypogonadism, so I’m thinking it’s either go down the route of clinical hormone replacement(hopefully be able to get my levels back to where they should be through clinical use of ped’s, ai’s, hcg and caber) or just fuck it and start blasting again. Because I’m not sure if I’m going to fix myself through unregulated use of anabolics and just guessing what to do through blood work. I’ve looked into things and clinically speaking I need to see a urologist to putt a camera down my urethra to see what amount of scar tissue I have in my dick which could be causing issues with Vado from dilation, I need a prostate exam to see why I’m having issues with urinary retention, and I need to see a hormone clinic to see what’s going on with my test, e2, shbg, prolactin, cortisol, lh and fsh. So I’m kind of umming and urring about whether to just up my dose of test to 250/400 a week and figure things out once I’m in shape or stop entirely and get all the Tests I stated prior before going any further…I’m kind of happy to jump on a cycle dose for 10-12 weeks and then see the urologist, endocrinologist etc once in shape and then figure out where to go. Any thoughts on the matter?
I mean I technically should get a test of my estrogen, lh, fsh, prolactin etc regardless
 
Like fuck, I hate to say it but I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. I don’t even care about being jacked at this point. I was always self conscious about being extremely skinny through my teens and early 20’s to the point I abused anabolics and ate dirty to bulk up. I’m now 30 and out of shape with raisin nuts, a dick that doesn’t work and on the edge of quitting life. I don’t even care about being body bulging level of physique, I just want to be functioning normal again. Like how am I going to start even trying to start a relationship when my dick doesn’t work. So I just isolate and stay away from life in general. Steroids and illicit drugs have ruined my life, they were my safe haven for many years only to do a full 180 on me and do the opposite of what I originally used them for
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Update.
Not sure wether to continue on the trt dose of test or just start blasting and cruising. I’ve been doing a lot of research and from what I’ve read about extended meth use and steroid abuse along with penile damage from pulling a catheter out. It may be the truth that I don’t recover and fix my e.d and hypogonadism, so I’m thinking it’s either go down the route of clinical hormone replacement(hopefully be able to get my levels back to where they should be through clinical use of ped’s, ai’s, hcg and caber) or just fuck it and start blasting again. Because I’m not sure if I’m going to fix myself through unregulated use of anabolics and just guessing what to do through blood work. I’ve looked into things and clinically speaking I need to see a urologist to putt a camera down my urethra to see what amount of scar tissue I have in my dick which could be causing issues with Vado from dilation, I need a prostate exam to see why I’m having issues with urinary retention, and I need to see a hormone clinic to see what’s going on with my test, e2, shbg, prolactin, cortisol, lh and fsh. So I’m kind of umming and urring about whether to just up my dose of test to 250/400 a week and figure things out once I’m in shape or stop entirely and get all the Tests I stated prior before going any further…I’m kind of happy to jump on a cycle dose for 10-12 weeks and then see the urologist, endocrinologist etc once in shape and then figure out where to go. Any thoughts on the matter?
I mean I technically should get a test of my estrogen, lh, fsh, prolactin etc regardless
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I think blood work is the best way to go forward
they will be the big play for us
KamikazeChaos said:
Like fuck, I hate to say it but I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. I don’t even care about being jacked at this point. I was always self conscious about being extremely skinny through my teens and early 20’s to the point I abused anabolics and ate dirty to bulk up. I’m now 30 and out of shape with raisin nuts, a dick that doesn’t work and on the edge of quitting life. I don’t even care about being body bulging level of physique, I just want to be functioning normal again. Like how am I going to start even trying to start a relationship when my dick doesn’t work. So I just isolate and stay away from life in general. Steroids and illicit drugs have ruined my life, they were my safe haven for many years only to do a full 180 on me and do the opposite of what I originally used them for
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Bloodwork and light TRT should help brother - but you may need some counselling help too - no shame in that at all
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Like fuck, I hate to say it but I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. I don’t even care about being jacked at this point. I was always self conscious about being extremely skinny through my teens and early 20’s to the point I abused anabolics and ate dirty to bulk up. I’m now 30 and out of shape with raisin nuts, a dick that doesn’t work and on the edge of quitting life. I don’t even care about being body bulging level of physique, I just want to be functioning normal again. Like how am I going to start even trying to start a relationship when my dick doesn’t work. So I just isolate and stay away from life in general. Steroids and illicit drugs have ruined my life, they were my safe haven for many years only to do a full 180 on me and do the opposite of what I originally used them for
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Sounds like you definitely shouldn't start blasting. Just stay on TRT and get bloods checked. Also sounds like you need to see a specialist and get your medical issues sorted.
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Like fuck, I hate to say it but I don’t see any light at the end of the tunnel. I don’t even care about being jacked at this point. I was always self conscious about being extremely skinny through my teens and early 20’s to the point I abused anabolics and ate dirty to bulk up. I’m now 30 and out of shape with raisin nuts, a dick that doesn’t work and on the edge of quitting life. I don’t even care about being body bulging level of physique, I just want to be functioning normal again. Like how am I going to start even trying to start a relationship when my dick doesn’t work. So I just isolate and stay away from life in general. Steroids and illicit drugs have ruined my life, they were my safe haven for many years only to do a full 180 on me and do the opposite of what I originally used them for
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Sit back and re assess your situation man all is not lost you have support from all of us on here
Just need to make a decision on what route you want to move forward with whether it be trt natty or whatever things will come back
 
Stay away from the 19-nor’s too brother they won’t be any good to you at these times. Getting your G levels right will definitely lift your mood and hopefully help you get on the right track - and remember you aren’t alone
 
Cheers for the support everyone, was having a pretty bad day yesterday. Think I’m getting a bit stressed with my court case, I’m getting sentenced in 3 weeks and I’m probably seeing the negative in things due to that.
I’ll stick to the trt dose, I’ve got an appointment with my dr on Thursday, I’ll bring my old blood works with me for that and get a referral for to see a urologist and a referral to a public health endocrinologist, and then get new blood works done in a few weeks. Really appreciate everyone’s input. From the research I’ve done there is still options and treatment
 
rizzlekdizzle said:
Stay away from the 19-nor’s too brother they won’t be any good to you at these times. Getting your G levels right will definitely lift your mood and hopefully help you get on the right track - and remember you aren’t alone
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G levels? You mean like lh and fsh? I’m guessing g stands for gonadotropin levels?
 
Grumpy said:
Sit back and re assess your situation man all is not lost you have support from all of us on here
Just need to make a decision on what route you want to move forward with whether it be trt natty or whatever things will come back
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I’m actually leaning towards the idea of trt. I’ll get bloods done, get a referral for a hormone clinic and go from there
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Cheers for the support everyone, was having a pretty bad day yesterday. Think I’m getting a bit stressed with my court case, I’m getting sentenced in 3 weeks and I’m probably seeing the negative in things due to that.
I’ll stick to the trt dose, I’ve got an appointment with my dr on Thursday, I’ll bring my old blood works with me for that and get a referral for to see a urologist and a referral to a public health endocrinologist, and then get new blood works done in a few weeks. Really appreciate everyone’s input. From the research I’ve done there is still options and treatment
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I hope you get over it and get back to hard training even on TRT :D
 
Hey I’m just wondering what everyone’s experience with raptors products are? I can’t say anything about the quality of the hormones/substances. But the rubber seal on my test e 400 has split and I’ve noticed the oil is extremely thin especially for being 400mg a ml…like the thinnest quality oil I’ve ever used, I do generally go for grape seed oil gear rather than mct. But I have used mct oil test a few times. But yeah the rubber seal also is extremely thin and weak. Also with the anavar I bought I gave 50 to a friend and when I counted my left overs it was 10 short and I’ve never bought steroids which weren’t in sealed bottles or blister packs… I’m sure that they don’t have the time to count each packet and I understand they probably weigh out what “100” should weigh and package them like that. I’m Just unsure at this point wether to keep going through raptor. I used to go through drozpharm but hes no longer around and of course a few other guys in the past, like aj with ugloz, I’ve used quantum, phoenix, lambos and a couple others I can’t remember what off the top of my head
 
Also I don’t really need anymore steroids…but I was thinking of getting an A.I, some hcg and cabergoline. I’ve still got nolvadex, clomid, sust, deca, test e, test cyp and like 40 25mg anavar tablets and a few weeks of dbol(don’t plan on stacking anytime soon) but I think it would be worth getting aromasin, caber and hcg regardless. If things don’t work out with getting a referral to see a pbs endocrinologist…
 
Mate raptor has been around for a long time and has a great reputation hopefully you have msged him prior to posting on here
Rubber seals can be faulty and im sure @Raptor Labs would have replaced it without any issues i would have a chat with him
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Oh shit nah I didn’t mean to talk trash, far from it. That’s why I said I can’t speak regards the quality. Just the quality of the seal.
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Im not saying you are man all good
Just saying you should let him know give him a chance to resolve the issue
He is definitely a good vendor
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Yeah I literally just messaged him. Fuck I hope it didn’t come across as though I was putting out a complaint on his products. That’s why I said I couldn’t speak regarding quality of the substance themselves as my mates have all had great results with the gear itself…was just the seal and the anavar being less.
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Your ok man just try sorting directly people jump to conclusions when they read stuff online
 
KamikazeChaos said:
I’m still figuring out how this forum works, regardless though I shouldn’t have put out a question regarding issues that I should have kept private. My bad. Fuck. Everything I’m doing just keeps biting me in the ass.
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Its all good man we all make mistakes
 
KamikazeChaos said:
I understand they probably weigh out what “100” should weigh
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As mentioned in DM's - that is not how we do it. The capping machine holds 100x caps. They get made and put straight into the bag then sealed shut. There is no chance for any to have fallen out before being opened by the client because of the heat seal. We have never had a complaint before of a pack being short until this, but would have happily replaced it, no issues :)
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Hey I’m just wondering what everyone’s experience with raptors products are? I can’t say anything about the quality of the hormones/substances. But the rubber seal on my test e 400 has split and I’ve noticed the oil is extremely thin especially for being 400mg a ml…like the thinnest quality oil I’ve ever used, I do generally go for grape seed oil gear rather than mct. But I have used mct oil test a few times. But yeah the rubber seal also is extremely thin and weak. Also with the anavar I bought I gave 50 to a friend and when I counted my left overs it was 10 short and I’ve never bought steroids which weren’t in sealed bottles or blister packs… I’m sure that they don’t have the time to count each packet and I understand they probably weigh out what “100” should weigh and package them like that. I’m Just unsure at this point wether to keep going through raptor. I used to go through drozpharm but hes no longer around and of course a few other guys in the past, like aj with ugloz, I’ve used quantum, phoenix, lambos and a couple others I can’t remember what off the top of my head
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Raptor labs is high quality, some of the best quality in the EVO family post pics of your vial please @KamikazeChaos
Team Raptor @Raptor Labs @Raptor Rep
 
Update.
Just left the doctor and no luck in getting a referral to a public endocrinologist, I’ve been given a referral to get a bladder ultrasound and a prostate exam before going any further in seeing a urologist aswell. Damn everything is getting frustrating, feels like my efforts are going no where to get back in good health
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Update.
Just left the doctor and no luck in getting a referral to a public endocrinologist, I’ve been given a referral to get a bladder ultrasound and a prostate exam before going any further in seeing a urologist aswell. Damn everything is getting frustrating, feels like my efforts are going no where to get back in good health
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keep us updated :D
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Yeah I don’t really wanna keep things which have been resolved going. Unless everyone thinks I should post pics? I’d rather keep it to private message than make it public. I fucked up by doing that in the first place.
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Keep it private easier if you feel more comfortable :D
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Yeah will do, my scales at home must be out cause when I weighed myself at the doctors today I’m 109 fucking kg!. Weirdly enough I don’t feel heavier than 102. Like I generally feel it when walking and sleeping etc
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109 likely later in day and in clothing stay on track you'll get there :D @KamikazeChaos
 
KamikazeChaos said:
And hopefully with everyone’s help I can show my bloodwork’s and then I can get some of you guys excellent advice on how much hcg, caber and aromasin(or possibly arimidex)?
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do you have bloods? :D
 
Absolutely here for you @KamikazeChaos Keep staying the course brother, keep moving and taking the steps toward living the kifestyle... Keep posting your thoughts and your questions. You have a whole community here that has a vested interest in member success.
Evo Family Respect and Support your way. 💙💪🏼
 
And again a genuine thank you, like I keep to myself these days especially whilst trying to stay on the straight and narrow, I don’t use socials. This and YouTube is all I have and I feel ashamed to talk about my problems with the people I do have in my life, so this platform is helping a lot. There’s no judgment or shame.
Also I hope everyone is having a great Easter and enjoying the holidays 💪
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Nah I’m only 2 weeks into the trt dose, I’ll get bloods in 2 weeks to see where I’m at with the 150mg a week dose I’m on, I’m gonna ask for a full bloodwork, test, e2, shbg, lh, fsh and prolactin
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4 weeks in get bloods
 
KamikazeChaos said:
And again a genuine thank you, like I keep to myself these days especially whilst trying to stay on the straight and narrow, I don’t use socials. This and YouTube is all I have and I feel ashamed to talk about my problems with the people I do have in my life, so this platform is helping a lot. There’s no judgment or shame.
Also I hope everyone is having a great Easter and enjoying the holidays 💪
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do your best :D lets start posting more on EVO not watching youtube :D @KamikazeChaos happy easter!
 
Oh yeah the doctor said since I’m taking test I’d have to discontinue my trt and wait 3 months before doing bloods if getting in to see a public endocrinologist. So not to sure what to do, I’m leaning towards sticking to the trt, get some ancillaries, get constant blood work done and stick to that for 3-4 months and then stop and then hopefully once I’m in shape etc and in 6 months time I’ll be eligible for a public endocrinologist.
LevButlerov said:
do your best :D lets start posting more on EVO not watching youtube :D @KamikazeChaos happy easter!
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Yeah but then i see videos like this which claim masteroin and primo are used with great success in balancing e2 whilst using trt
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Yea 💯will do. I’m hoping I can do this all with bloodwork’s and ugl’s rather than spend thousands on an endocrinologist/hormone clinic
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lets do it :D
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Oh yeah the doctor said since I’m taking test I’d have to discontinue my trt and wait 3 months before doing bloods if getting in to see a public endocrinologist. So not to sure what to do, I’m leaning towards sticking to the trt, get some ancillaries, get constant blood work done and stick to that for 3-4 months and then stop and then hopefully once I’m in shape etc and in 6 months time I’ll be eligible for a public endocrinologist.

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Yeah but then i see videos like this which claim masteroin and primo are used with great success in balancing e2 whilst using trt
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you can go on self TRT btw
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Yeah that’s what I’m leaning towards, I’m 2 weeks today into my trt
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No reason not to self TRT bro. Plenty of help and support here to get your dose dialed in and once you figure that out you're on autopilot from there.

The other option is finding a cool doctor by asking around but they're hard to come by. I'm in Canada and I just tested off the charts and my doc asked me when I last pinned before the blood test and I said 3 days before. Then he goes oh so you pinned the night before the test rightttt and I said oh ya I did. That's a cool doc lol
 
Yeah my doctors is cool with the testosterone, I told him last year I was planning to do another cycle and he was all for it and has no issues but he personally said he can’t prescribe hrt. He advised me to get bloods every 4 weeks and he’ll monitor my blood and vitals etc.
I would mainly like to get to the root cause of the e.d. Cause that’s where I’m most concerned about, I pulled a catheter out a few years ago and I think that and the tren I was taking might have caused some sort of injury or issue. So on Tuesday I’m getting the ultrasound and the prostate checked, then my doc said we’ll go from their to see a urologist and he said with depending on the outcome from the urologist after my ultrasounds I may be suitable to see a public endocrinologist. Personally I would like to go the route of an endocrinologist whilst still using ugl’s just to save money whilst still getting professional medical advice
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Yeah my doctors is cool with the testosterone, I told him last year I was planning to do another cycle and he was all for it and has no issues but he personally said he can’t prescribe hrt. He advised me to get bloods every 4 weeks and he’ll monitor my blood and vitals etc.
I would mainly like to get to the root cause of the e.d. Cause that’s where I’m most concerned about, I pulled a catheter out a few years ago and I think that and the tren I was taking might have caused some sort of injury or issue. So on Tuesday I’m getting the ultrasound and the prostate checked, then my doc said we’ll go from their to see a urologist and he said with depending on the outcome from the urologist after my ultrasounds I may be suitable to see a public endocrinologist. Personally I would like to go the route of an endocrinologist whilst still using ugl’s just to save money whilst still getting professional medical advice
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@BeMe
BeMe said:
No reason not to self TRT bro. Plenty of help and support here to get your dose dialed in and once you figure that out you're on autopilot from there.

The other option is finding a cool doctor by asking around but they're hard to come by. I'm in Canada and I just tested off the charts and my doc asked me when I last pinned before the blood test and I said 3 days before. Then he goes oh so you pinned the night before the test rightttt and I said oh ya I did. That's a cool doc lol
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KamikazeChaos said:
Yeah my doctors is cool with the testosterone, I told him last year I was planning to do another cycle and he was all for it and has no issues but he personally said he can’t prescribe hrt. He advised me to get bloods every 4 weeks and he’ll monitor my blood and vitals etc.
I would mainly like to get to the root cause of the e.d. Cause that’s where I’m most concerned about, I pulled a catheter out a few years ago and I think that and the tren I was taking might have caused some sort of injury or issue. So on Tuesday I’m getting the ultrasound and the prostate checked, then my doc said we’ll go from their to see a urologist and he said with depending on the outcome from the urologist after my ultrasounds I may be suitable to see a public endocrinologist. Personally I would like to go the route of an endocrinologist whilst still using ugl’s just to save money whilst still getting professional medical advice
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That's good you got a cool doc.

What were your prolactin levels like on the Tren? Prolactin gets really elevated on Tren and can really fuck with your boners.

Were you taking Proviron with the Tren?
 
BeMe said:
That's good you got a cool doc.

What were your prolactin levels like on the Tren? Prolactin gets really elevated on Tren and can really fuck with your boners.

Were you taking Proviron with the Tren?
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Nah I didn’t get any bloods at all while I was on it, I’ve only ever had bloods done twice. Once when I was 20, and the other just January this year…so every cycle I’ve done I’ve just been flying blind with clomid and nolvadex. When I was 20 I used hcg during 1 cycle. I’ve never used an ai at all in any cycle. no ancillaries either. This was quite a few years ago, probably like 5 years ago. I was in a pretty high dose I was taking 750mg of test and 600 tren. Bothe where enanthate esters
 
So I’ve been pretty lazy in not getting down to the syringe exchange but I’ve seen these what’s everyone’s opinion on getting a box of them? I know the needle will blunt slightly when drawing up from the vial but their is virtually no dead space and the needle is 25g…
 

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Alright so since I’m already going to crash my natural testosterone production, I’m leaning towards doing a cycle in 2 weeks after I get my bloods done. My plan is to use 400mg of test or just under(I plan to pin 16units every Monday, Wednesday and Friday) so just under 400mg a week. and 40-50mg of anavar. I’ve messaged @Raptor Labs in regards getting hcg and an ai. And then my plan is to drop back to a trt dosage once done with the cycle. What everyone thoughts and opinions on that? Also I’m not to keen on the use of glp’s…I have quite a slow digestion as it is, I am pretty good with discipline when it comes to eating so I’m more leaning towards ghrp6 and cjc 1295, as I’ve had great success in body recomp with them in the past…but in terms of peptides in general I don’t know if I need to add them.
In terms of updates of my training and diet, the only thing that has changed is my intake of the watermelon. So I’ve dropped about 110* calories and about 23g of carbs/sugar from not having that in my diet. Still doing the 8.5km a day and still doing the calisthenics and free weights. I now have access to a bench press an Olympic barbell with 90kg a leg extension machin and leg curl machine etc. so my workouts will be including bench press, incline press, incline dumbbell press, skull crushers and pull overs etc

I do know I need to keep up with daily exercise and keep posting about my intake and how I’m feeling and how my endurance/strength is going. So I’m gonna start posting a lot more
 
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KamikazeChaos said:
So I’ve been pretty lazy in not getting down to the syringe exchange but I’ve seen these what’s everyone’s opinion on getting a box of them? I know the needle will blunt slightly when drawing up from the vial but their is virtually no dead space and the needle is 25g…
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you can get a box of them sure, but this is Australia needle exchange right? @KamikazeChaos


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KamikazeChaos said:
Alright so since I’m already going to crash my natural testosterone production, I’m leaning towards doing a cycle in 2 weeks after I get my bloods done. My plan is to use 400mg of test or just under(I plan to pin 16units every Monday, Wednesday and Friday) so just under 400mg a week. and 40-50mg of anavar. I’ve messaged @Raptor Labs in regards getting hcg and an ai. And then my plan is to drop back to a trt dosage once done with the cycle. What everyone thoughts and opinions on that? Also I’m not to keen on the use of glp’s…I have quite a slow digestion as it is, I am pretty good with discipline when it comes to eating so I’m more leaning towards ghrp6 and cjc 1295, as I’ve had great success in body recomp with them in the past…but in terms of peptides in general I don’t know if I need to add them.
In terms of updates of my training and diet, the only thing that has changed is my intake of the watermelon. So I’ve dropped about 110* calories and about 23g of carbs/sugar from not having that in my diet. Still doing the 8.5km a day and still doing the calisthenics and free weights. I now have access to a bench press an Olympic barbell with 90kg a leg extension machin and leg curl machine etc. so my workouts will be including bench press, incline press, incline dumbbell press, skull crushers and pull overs etc

I do know I need to keep up with daily exercise and keep posting about my intake and how I’m feeling and how my endurance/strength is going. So I’m gonna start posting a lot more
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why not stay on trt for now? trt+ to start
 
LevButlerov said:
why not stay on trt for now? trt+ to start
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I agree - just TRT should help more than a cycle and then see where you are at in a few months?
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Nah I didn’t get any bloods at all while I was on it, I’ve only ever had bloods done twice. Once when I was 20, and the other just January this year…so every cycle I’ve done I’ve just been flying blind with clomid and nolvadex. When I was 20 I used hcg during 1 cycle. I’ve never used an ai at all in any cycle. no ancillaries either. This was quite a few years ago, probably like 5 years ago. I was in a pretty high dose I was taking 750mg of test and 600 tren. Bothe where enanthate esters
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Damn bro don't do that again. Especially with doses like that. Crazy that you had no ancillaries running with that much Tren too. Was the cycle any good?

Hopefully with your doc and bloodwork you can figure out whatever is wrong.
 
LevButlerov said:
why not stay on trt for now? trt+ to start
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Uhm yeah I just don’t really see the reason to crash my own production for suboptimal gains…but most of my knowledge comes from t-nation and bodybuilding.com from over 10 years ago. Everyone opinion on those forums back then was to use a standard 500mg a week since your gonn shutdown anyway. So if you’re gonna shutdown your own test might aswell get quicker and better gains right? I’m generally curious tho if you guys can explain why just doing trt is better as like I said I only have decade old knowledge on the stuff, but I see a lot of peoples opinions on how to use gear has ch aged big time.
My plan was to do the trt for a few months and then do a cycle anyway…would it make much difference in doing a cycle first and then dropping back to a maintenance dose?
 
BeMe said:
Damn bro don't do that again. Especially with doses like that. Crazy that you had no ancillaries running with that much Tren too. Was the cycle any good?

Hopefully with your doc and bloodwork you can figure out whatever is wrong.
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Nah I’d never go near tren again, the cycle was pretty good I’ll say that much I blew up to 112kg a lot was water, I ended up having to stop the cycle around week 6-7 cause it was just to much. I wasn’t sleeping properly on it, and walking and training didn’t feel right with how quickly I swelled up. I think anavar and test, or possibly test and primo or masteron at most in the future
 
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I agree - just TRT should help more than a cycle and then see where you are at in a few months?
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I know it’s only been just over 2 weeks on the trt dose and cause it’s such a small amount I probably won’t notice a shift in how I feel. But with 500mg I generally am noticing the test within 2 weeks. 3 weeks definitely on another level. Like I said I don’t know enough about this with the way the steroid scene has shifted over the last 10 years. However I’m just concerned about crashing my test for minimal gains
 
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Nah I’d never go near tren again, the cycle was pretty good I’ll say that much I blew up to 112kg a lot was water, I ended up having to stop the cycle around week 6-7 cause it was just to much. I wasn’t sleeping properly on it, and walking and training didn’t feel right with how quickly I swelled up. I think anavar and test, or possibly test and primo or masteron at most in the future
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The future choices sound a lot more sound. I'm coming off a tren cycle right now myself and I managed to get thru it pretty much side effect free but I prefer NPP for sure. If I run it again it will be low dose as a secondary.

Primo is great. I had a really good time on primo test and anavar
 
BeMe said:
The future choices sound a lot more sound. I'm coming off a tren cycle right now myself and I managed to get thru it pretty much side effect free but I prefer NPP for sure. If I run it again it will be low dose as a secondary.

Primo is great. I had a really good time on primo test and anavar
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What ester of tren were you running? Does acetate have fewer side effects than enanthate cause it’s easier to dial in and cut back if needed?
Yeah the more I’m reading about primo and masteron I’m seeing more positives in terms of aromatisation and control of estrogen
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Uhm yeah I just don’t really see the reason to crash my own production for suboptimal gains…but most of my knowledge comes from t-nation and bodybuilding.com from over 10 years ago. Everyone opinion on those forums back then was to use a standard 500mg a week since your gonn shutdown anyway. So if you’re gonna shutdown your own test might aswell get quicker and better gains right? I’m generally curious tho if you guys can explain why just doing trt is better as like I said I only have decade old knowledge on the stuff, but I see a lot of peoples opinions on how to use gear has ch aged big time.
My plan was to do the trt for a few months and then do a cycle anyway…would it make much difference in doing a cycle first and then dropping back to a maintenance dose?
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What do you want to get out of the cycle?

I think you'd be better situated to recomp on TRT and then once your lean look at doing a cycle.
 
waggat said:
What do you want to get out of the cycle?

I think you'd be better situated to recomp on TRT and then once your lean look at doing a cycle.
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We’ll recomp was basically my plan entirely, I’d like to cut back down to 92-94kg then maintain that, so the way I see it is I could do the cycle dosage now, lose about 12-15kg of fat whilst cycling test and anavar and recomp and get back in shape and then try to maintain it with trt. I just know that the quicker results from doing a cycle now would be a lot more motivating than the gradual recomp from the trt. But In saying that the yo-yo diets I’ve been doing for the last 10 years of blasting juice, doing keto, then dirty bulking every 10-12 weeks is probably what’s done the damage. Regardless of all of that I don’t plan on changing anything until after I get bloodwork done in 2 weeks. So I’ll post my bloodwork’s when I’ve done them then see what everyone’s opinion is on what to do next.
Could I possibly add anavar into my trt? To just give a little bit more edge? Or would that require other compounds I’d have to run? I know I’m probably getting ahead of myself and In reality I should stick to the trt for at least 8 weeks before mixing it up
 
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What do you want to get out of the cycle?

I think you'd be better situated to recomp on TRT and then once your lean look at doing a cycle.
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I don’t really feel I need to add to much more size, I’d like to get my arms back up to 17icnhes and I’d like to get my 6pack back with a waist of about 32-33 inches. I am 6foot1, so I think those proportions would suit me fine. I don’t really care too much about mass these days. As a teenager I was 6,1 and 62kg so size mattered a lot though my teens and early 20’s but now days I’m more just looking to lose fat and add a bit of muscle and get definition back
 
KamikazeChaos said:
Uhm yeah I just don’t really see the reason to crash my own production for suboptimal gains…but most of my knowledge comes from t-nation and bodybuilding.com from over 10 years ago. Everyone opinion on those forums back then was to use a standard 500mg a week since your gonn shutdown anyway. So if you’re gonna shutdown your own test might aswell get quicker and better gains right? I’m generally curious tho if you guys can explain why just doing trt is better as like I said I only have decade old knowledge on the stuff, but I see a lot of peoples opinions on how to use gear has ch aged big time.
My plan was to do the trt for a few months and then do a cycle anyway…would it make much difference in doing a cycle first and then dropping back to a maintenance dose?
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You start with TRT go into sports TRT and move from there, you need to consider overall health and long term mental health as well @KamikazeChaos
 
LevButlerov said:
You start with TRT go into sports TRT and move from there, you need to consider overall health and long term mental health as well @KamikazeChaos
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I appreciate the concern, however I’m still curious as to why do trt and shut down my own test to only further shut it down with a future cycle. Why does it make a difference in starting low dose trt first as opposed to doing a cycle then using trt to maintain my physique. Also What’s the difference from trt to sport trt? To add to that I don’t mean to come across as stubborn I’m just genuinely curious as to why(scientifically/physiologically)? Everyone’s probably sick of my questions already lol don’t mean to be hassle to deal with I’m just generally curious cause I’ve read so much conflicting opinions on the use of anabolics and these days I feel like I have no idea…rewind to 8-10 years ago all the information I was working with is what’s given me my current understanding
 
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We’ll recomp was basically my plan entirely, I’d like to cut back down to 92-94kg then maintain that, so the way I see it is I could do the cycle dosage now, lose about 12-15kg of fat whilst cycling test and anavar and recomp and get back in shape and then try to maintain it with trt. I just know that the quicker results from doing a cycle now would be a lot more motivating than the gradual recomp from the trt. But In saying that the yo-yo diets I’ve been doing for the last 10 years of blasting juice, doing keto, then dirty bulking every 10-12 weeks is probably what’s done the damage. Regardless of all of that I don’t plan on changing anything until after I get bloodwork done in 2 weeks. So I’ll post my bloodwork’s when I’ve done them then see what everyone’s opinion is on what to do next.
Could I possibly add anavar into my trt? To just give a little bit more edge? Or would that require other compounds I’d have to run? I know I’m probably getting ahead of myself and In reality I should stick to the trt for at least 8 weeks before mixing it up
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You've pretty much covered what my concern is and that's using gear to make up for inefficiencies elsewhere.
 
KamikazeChaos said:
I appreciate the concern, however I’m still curious as to why do trt and shut down my own test to only further shut it down with a future cycle. Why does it make a difference in starting low dose trt first as opposed to doing a cycle then using trt to maintain my physique. Also What’s the difference from trt to sport trt? To add to that I don’t mean to come across as stubborn I’m just genuinely curious as to why(scientifically/physiologically)? Everyone’s probably sick of my questions already lol don’t mean to be hassle to deal with I’m just generally curious cause I’ve read so much conflicting opinions on the use of anabolics and these days I feel like I have no idea…rewind to 8-10 years ago all the information I was working with is what’s given me my current understanding
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Its up to you, if you feel you want to do a cycle go for it :D
 
KamikazeChaos said:
What ester of tren were you running? Does acetate have fewer side effects than enanthate cause it’s easier to dial in and cut back if needed?
Yeah the more I’m reading about primo and masteron I’m seeing more positives in terms of aromatisation and control of estrogen
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No it doesn't have fewer sides, but it is easier to dial in for sure. If you get in trouble you can back off and get back to normal quick.

Yep primo works similar to a mild AI and mast can actually block conversion. They both work in different ways but can help with aromatization
 
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